Vesey Watch
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Posted 2016-08-11 7:46 AM (#663753)
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Might as well, nothing else to talk about in August.

Jimmy Vesey becomes an unrestricted free agent on August 15. Rangers are mentioned in the mix, but then again they're mentioned in the mix for almost everyone.

Buffalo owns his rights and remain "in the picture" technically, especially since he's friends with Eichel, but considering he's going to get a max ELC anywhere he goes, if he wanted to sign in Buffalo I don't see any (good) reason why he wouldn't have already.

Countdown to Monday... rumors will start heating up this weekend.
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Posted 2016-08-11 8:30 AM (#663755 - in reply to #663753)
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Chicago and New York are Vesey's best options as far as quality of team... New York has his buddy Hayes who would likely be his linemate, is one of the biggest markets in the league, and fits the bill of his wish to stay in the North East

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Posted 2016-08-11 8:54 AM (#663756 - in reply to #663753)
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The report from Boston is Vesey's preferred 3 are the Blackhawks, Rangers, and Devils. What that means is anyone's guess because rumors are what they are. Surprising group though considering all the initial speculation, though this could be equally as inaccurate.
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Posted 2016-08-11 10:33 AM (#663757 - in reply to #663756)
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updates from sny.tv, indicates Rangers "heavily in the mix"

https://www.sny.tv/rangers/news/report-rangers-heavily-in-the-mix-to...
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Posted 2016-08-11 10:41 AM (#663758 - in reply to #663756)
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Vua - 2016-08-11 9:54 AM

The report from Boston is Vesey's preferred 3 are the Blackhawks, Rangers, and Devils. What that means is anyone's guess because rumors are what they are. Surprising group though considering all the initial speculation, though this could be equally as inaccurate.


If that's actually the case I can see Vesey signing here. "Reports" have always been Toronto or Boston based on family ties to both, but, like Hayes, Vesey may want to make a name for himself and strike out on his own. Pretty common for a youngster, hockey player or not. If that's the case then maybe the opportunity to step up as one of the top young forwards in NY is more appealing than playing second or third fiddle behind Toews, Kane, Hossa, Panarin, etc. The shot at a Cup is real but when you're young and you're starting your career you think you have plenty of time to win a Cup.

Who knows, this may get more interesting than I initially suspected.

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Posted 2016-08-11 11:18 AM (#663760 - in reply to #663753)
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I predict he signs with the Rangers.... as Herb Brooks once said.... "Great Moments are Born from Great Opportunity"....There is no greater opportunity for an NHL rookie player than to play in "The Worlds Most Famous Arena"...
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Posted 2016-08-11 11:44 AM (#663761 - in reply to #663758)
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concust - 2016-08-11 10:41 AM

Vua - 2016-08-11 9:54 AM

The report from Boston is Vesey's preferred 3 are the Blackhawks, Rangers, and Devils. What that means is anyone's guess because rumors are what they are. Surprising group though considering all the initial speculation, though this could be equally as inaccurate.


If that's actually the case I can see Vesey signing here. "Reports" have always been Toronto or Boston based on family ties to both, but, like Hayes, Vesey may want to make a name for himself and strike out on his own. Pretty common for a youngster, hockey player or not. If that's the case then maybe the opportunity to step up as one of the top young forwards in NY is more appealing than playing second or third fiddle behind Toews, Kane, Hossa, Panarin, etc. The shot at a Cup is real but when you're young and you're starting your career you think you have plenty of time to win a Cup.

Who knows, this may get more interesting than I initially suspected.



I was a little surprised to see a Boston report say it seemed both Boston and Toronto weren't in his top 3 destinations. But that doesn't mean they can't talk him into it when he meets with them.
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Posted 2016-08-11 6:25 PM (#663765 - in reply to #663760)
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RANGERNUT - 2016-08-11 1:18 PM

I predict he signs with the Rangers.... as Herb Brooks once said.... "Great Moments are Born from Great Opportunity"....There is no greater opportunity for an NHL rookie player than to play in "The Worlds Most Famous Arena"...


And then there's AV.
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Posted 2016-08-11 7:03 PM (#663767 - in reply to #663753)
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Nash, Miller, Kreider, Stepan, Zabenijad, Hayes, Zuccarello, Buchnevich and coaches personal fave Fast in the top nine. Unless Nash or someone else gets moved who's he going to bump to the fourth line? Toss Grabner in that mix to. I don't see him coming here unless he knows there's going to be a forward or two moved.
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Posted 2016-08-11 7:29 PM (#663769 - in reply to #663767)
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Rranger - 2016-08-11 9:03 PM

Nash, Miller, Kreider, Stepan, Zabenijad, Hayes, Zuccarello, Buchnevich and coaches personal fave Fast in the top nine. Unless Nash or someone else gets moved who's he going to bump to the fourth line? Toss Grabner in that mix to. I don't see him coming here unless he knows there's going to be a forward or two moved.
Out of names mentioned, I would say the only candidate is Hayes.
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Posted 2016-08-12 10:24 AM (#663775 - in reply to #663761)
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Vua - 2016-08-11 12:44 PM

concust - 2016-08-11 10:41 AM

Vua - 2016-08-11 9:54 AM

The report from Boston is Vesey's preferred 3 are the Blackhawks, Rangers, and Devils. What that means is anyone's guess because rumors are what they are. Surprising group though considering all the initial speculation, though this could be equally as inaccurate.


If that's actually the case I can see Vesey signing here. "Reports" have always been Toronto or Boston based on family ties to both, but, like Hayes, Vesey may want to make a name for himself and strike out on his own. Pretty common for a youngster, hockey player or not. If that's the case then maybe the opportunity to step up as one of the top young forwards in NY is more appealing than playing second or third fiddle behind Toews, Kane, Hossa, Panarin, etc. The shot at a Cup is real but when you're young and you're starting your career you think you have plenty of time to win a Cup.

Who knows, this may get more interesting than I initially suspected.



I was a little surprised to see a Boston report say it seemed both Boston and Toronto weren't in his top 3 destinations. But that doesn't mean they can't talk him into it when he meets with them.


I saw another recent report that listed Chicago and Boston, no mention of the Rangers. So at this point it's all rumors.
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Posted 2016-08-12 11:05 AM (#663776 - in reply to #663775)
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concust - 2016-08-12 12:24 PM

Vua - 2016-08-11 12:44 PM

concust - 2016-08-11 10:41 AM

Vua - 2016-08-11 9:54 AM

The report from Boston is Vesey's preferred 3 are the Blackhawks, Rangers, and Devils. What that means is anyone's guess because rumors are what they are. Surprising group though considering all the initial speculation, though this could be equally as inaccurate.


If that's actually the case I can see Vesey signing here. "Reports" have always been Toronto or Boston based on family ties to both, but, like Hayes, Vesey may want to make a name for himself and strike out on his own. Pretty common for a youngster, hockey player or not. If that's the case then maybe the opportunity to step up as one of the top young forwards in NY is more appealing than playing second or third fiddle behind Toews, Kane, Hossa, Panarin, etc. The shot at a Cup is real but when you're young and you're starting your career you think you have plenty of time to win a Cup.

Who knows, this may get more interesting than I initially suspected.



I was a little surprised to see a Boston report say it seemed both Boston and Toronto weren't in his top 3 destinations. But that doesn't mean they can't talk him into it when he meets with them.


I saw another recent report that listed Chicago and Boston, no mention of the Rangers. So at this point it's all rumors.
I've recently seen that he has a list of 5 teams including Chicago and Boston, but there's no word on the other 3 teams.
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Posted 2016-08-12 11:15 AM (#663777 - in reply to #663753)
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Here's what I found so far:

http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/vesey-narrows-list-to-handful-of-...

Among the teams Vesey will reportedly hear from are the Boston Bruins, New York Rangers, New Jersey Devils, Toronto Maple Leafs and Chicago Blackhawks.

http://www.csnne.com/boston-bruins/Jimmy-Vesey-has-a-short-list-of-...

The sense at this address: the Bruins, Sabres, Maple Leafs and New Jersey Devils are the teams on Vesey’s short list with the Pittsburgh Penguins as a possible dark horse candidate after winning the Stanley Cup last spring.

http://www.cbssports.com/nhl/news/jimmy-vesey-watch-shortlist-narro...

Mentions 6 teams: Boston, Toronto, Buffalo, Chicago, Devils, Rangers

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Posted 2016-08-13 9:57 AM (#663778 - in reply to #663753)
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No chance he goes to NJ. They never win these types of situations because it's well known around the league that they are a low class organization that treats their players terrible. So do the Bruins. So to me it's down to Toronto and the Rangers. Chicago is too far from him and the city is full of crime.
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Posted 2016-08-13 1:33 PM (#663779 - in reply to #663753)
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http://thehockeywriters.com/jimmy-vesey-watch-why-signing-with-the-...

I think the future contracts thing weighs big on this. The Rangers have a good track record signing players. Vesey could be very confident if he holds up his end, his next contract negotiation would be amicable. The biggest black cloud over Chicago is the number of quality players they've had to dump, to hold their cap. Vesey could be the next Andrew Shaw forced out.

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Posted 2016-08-14 7:18 AM (#663781 - in reply to #663753)
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Some outlets reporting it's down to Chicago and NJ. Not entirely credible sources though so I won't even bother citing them.

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Posted 2016-08-14 10:07 AM (#663782 - in reply to #663753)
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I shouldn't say no way he goes to NJ. There is one way. He knows he can walk onto that team and never play a game in the minors. So if all cares about is playing in the NHL and not playing in the minors, he might take the easy way out and go to a crap team. To me that tells me he is afraid of earning a spot on a team with few openings. Which means he's soft.
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Posted 2016-08-14 12:08 PM (#663783 - in reply to #663753)
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The Devils make no sense. He might as well stay in Buffalo, if he wants to be on a nonplayoff team.
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Posted 2016-08-14 3:34 PM (#663784 - in reply to #663753)
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Vesey has a lot of options, he is also going to seek a guarantee he's in the NHL for this season and he will be.
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Posted 2016-08-15 7:23 AM (#663787 - in reply to #663753)
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Vesey will be guaranteed an NHL spot on whatever team he goes to. It's one of the few bargaining chips he has since he will get max ELC from any team. He can only negotiate the perks.
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Posted 2016-08-15 1:01 PM (#663788 - in reply to #663753)
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How is there even a franchise in the $hithole of NJ. Most obscure team, no one cares about...... Lmfao

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Posted 2016-08-15 2:49 PM (#663789 - in reply to #663753)
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Vesey's agent is saying no decision until Friday at the earliest.
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Posted 2016-08-15 9:25 PM (#663791 - in reply to #663753)
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I have read that Boston is the dream spot for him as he loves the B's Toronto a longer shot.. as his dad works for them .. but is a scout in the eastern USA.. so not sure that is even a thing...

If the talk of wanting to play right away is a big thing for him staying in Buffalo is a great spot they are young and he will for sure start over a team like he Devils who are not as young or skilled..

and if he is looking at Chicago he has as much of a shot with the Rangers.. so really there are many places he can play.. his agent said it will probably be friday or Saturday this week and does not see it going to next week

He just has to pick where he best fits and/or his best chance to win .. and if he wants to be top 6 then he goes to a weaker team.. if he wants to win he goes to a Chicago, Pens, Rangers, sort of situation.. I have to say I would be surprised if he is a Ranger.. but then I also did not think anyone would trade for Gomez.... so who knows.. lol
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Posted 2016-08-15 9:38 PM (#663793 - in reply to #663753)
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I don't see a American player wanting all the bookkeeping issues, taxes and other headaches they go through playing in Canada. Being traded there is one thing choosing to go there is another, and a highly unlikely one.
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Posted 2016-08-16 2:38 AM (#663796 - in reply to #663753)
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Boston is a lousy organization and a poor situation. For starters they are cheap. They don't treat their players well. If you don't play exactly like they want they trade you. No patience. Their centers are relics. All are over 30. Three of the their defenseman are over 35. He would be a complete moron to go there.
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Posted 2016-08-16 11:54 AM (#663797 - in reply to #663789)
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concust - 2016-08-15 2:49 PM

Vesey's agent is saying no decision until Friday at the earliest.


I'm surprised, I thought he would sign right away... that tells me he is waiting for teams to have a bidding war. Sounds like he cares more about the money than the destination...just my thought...
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Posted 2016-08-16 12:34 PM (#663798 - in reply to #663797)
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RANGERNUT - 2016-08-16 1:54 PM

concust - 2016-08-15 2:49 PM

Vesey's agent is saying no decision until Friday at the earliest.


I'm surprised, I thought he would sign right away... that tells me he is waiting for teams to have a bidding war. Sounds like he cares more about the money than the destination...just my thought...


That's not it at all....every team is gonna offer the rookie contract maximum....and probably the bonus maximums as well.

Its a rare situation where the money will be pretty much equal all around.....so he isn't basing his decision on money at all.....

Actually, he is being extremely smart about this whole situation....and doing his due diligence.

Edited by Mandar 2016-08-16 12:35 PM
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Posted 2016-08-16 5:12 PM (#663799 - in reply to #663753)
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Other teams weren't legally allowed to talk to him until now, right? I'm sure some did off the record, but I'm also sure Vesey would want to give the front runners a day or half a day of his time each before making a decision.

Does he visit. each city? Has this guy ever even been to The Garden yet?
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Posted 2016-08-17 9:20 AM (#663800 - in reply to #663799)
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OK, so Jimmy Vesey met yesterday with representatives from

Toronto, The Islanders, The Devils, and Pittsburgh

Today he will be talking to

The Hawks, The Bruins, and The Rangers...

If I am to read in to things a bit, could today's meetings be with the "frontrunners?"



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Posted 2016-08-17 12:08 PM (#663801 - in reply to #663753)
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Any word on which teams Vesey has on his list?
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Posted 2016-08-17 12:20 PM (#663802 - in reply to #663753)
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HockeyStatMiner þ@HockeyStatMiner 14h14 hours ago
Here was Kevin Hayes' performance-bonus breakdown in 2014 (league maximum). Expect a carbon copy for Vesey:
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Posted 2016-08-17 12:23 PM (#663803 - in reply to #663802)
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Gresch4 - 2016-08-17 12:20 PM

HockeyStatMiner þ@HockeyStatMiner 14h14 hours ago
Here was Kevin Hayes' performance-bonus breakdown in 2014 (league maximum). Expect a carbon copy for Vesey:


Its not so much the Max ELC, that's a given that he will get that whereever he signs,, It's about bonuses and that was my point yesterday... ala, "Bidding War"
Just my opinion ....
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Posted 2016-08-17 12:27 PM (#663804 - in reply to #663753)
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I'm trying to attach the document that shows the incentives.


Schedule A bonuses:

Each triggered category would earn $212,500 in bonuses, with $850,000 being the max payout (in other words he stops getting paid after four catagories are achieved).

If:
-Top six in NYR forward ice time per game (min 42 games)
-Top six in NYR forward ice time total (min 42 games)
-if 20 goals scored
-if 35 assists made
-if 60 points scored
- .73 points per game (min 42 games)
-Top three in NYR forward +/-
-selected to/plays in NHL Allstar Game
-named NHL Allstar MVP

Schedule B bonuses:

Then there is a max of $2mil total attainable performance bonuses for the following end of season achievements:

-Top five voting/placement for Hart, Selke and/or Rocket Richard Trophies
-Top 2 voting in Lady Byng award
-Winning Conn Smythe Trophy
-Being named to 1st or 2nd NHL Allstar team by hockey writers
-Finishing Top 10 in NHL goals, assists, points/game

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Posted 2016-08-17 12:38 PM (#663806 - in reply to #663753)
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Here's a simpler breakdown of the ELC rules...

It's not like the system allows Vesey to actually hit a truly open market because he's still limited by entry-level contract rules. He's available to all 30 teams, but it's in a constrained market where nobody can offer more than a two-year deal with a $832,500 base salary, $92,500 signing bonus and $2.85 million in performance bonuses. This isn't about Vesey getting access to the kind of payday not afforded to other inexperienced players because he waited. It's about not turning draft rights into a softer form of the reserve clause.
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Posted 2016-08-17 12:42 PM (#663807 - in reply to #663753)
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I'm not stating there's a bidding war monetarily. I'm simply showing the performance bonus structure. Not breaking down any rules, not saying you're wrong.
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Posted 2016-08-17 2:03 PM (#663810 - in reply to #663806)
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RANGERNUT - 2016-08-17 2:38 PM

Here's a simpler breakdown of the ELC rules...

It's not like the system allows Vesey to actually hit a truly open market because he's still limited by entry-level contract rules. He's available to all 30 teams, but it's in a constrained market where nobody can offer more than a two-year deal with a $832,500 base salary, $92,500 signing bonus and $2.85 million in performance bonuses. This isn't about Vesey getting access to the kind of payday not afforded to other inexperienced players because he waited. It's about not turning draft rights into a softer form of the reserve clause.


Wait.....didn't you say: "Sounds like he cares more about the money than the destination"

Yep, you did....then WTF are you talking about now?
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Posted 2016-08-17 4:49 PM (#663811 - in reply to #663753)
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He'd be a nice asset to acquire, but I don't think anyone's losing any sleep over this guy
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Posted 2016-08-17 5:07 PM (#663812 - in reply to #663753)
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If I were Vesey, I'd steer clear of AV.
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Posted 2016-08-17 5:36 PM (#663813 - in reply to #663811)
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Spider3WideBanana - 2016-08-17 6:49 PM

He'd be a nice asset to acquire, but I don't think anyone's losing any sleep over this guy


He's not make or break, but if he makes Grabner a 4th liner instead of a 3rd liner... if he ensures no Tanner Glass this season... that'sort good depth to have. I want this kid

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Posted 2016-08-17 6:15 PM (#663814 - in reply to #663801)
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Mjolnir - 2016-08-17 2:08 PM

Any word on which teams Vesey has on his list?


Hmmmm...

Question withdrawn.
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Posted 2016-08-18 4:37 AM (#663825 - in reply to #663810)
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Mandar - 2016-08-17 2:03 PM

RANGERNUT - 2016-08-17 2:38 PM

Here's a simpler breakdown of the ELC rules...

It's not like the system allows Vesey to actually hit a truly open market because he's still limited by entry-level contract rules. He's available to all 30 teams, but it's in a constrained market where nobody can offer more than a two-year deal with a $832,500 base salary, $92,500 signing bonus and $2.85 million in performance bonuses. This isn't about Vesey getting access to the kind of payday not afforded to other inexperienced players because he waited. It's about not turning draft rights into a softer form of the reserve clause.


Wait.....didn't you say: "Sounds like he cares more about the money than the destination"

Yep, you did....then WTF are you talking about now?


Wow Dude Your messed up !
You need to follow entire threads before you come off as being so high and mighty...
I did say that "In my opinion it "sounds like he cares more about the money than the destination" and I still believe that.. But that's only my opinion, which BTW I am entitled to...
I also went on to say this....Its not so much the Max ELC, that's a given that he will get that where ever he signs,, It's about bonuses and that was my point yesterday... ala, "Bidding War" Just my opinion ....
and then I wrote again responding to another post and tried to explain the simplest breakdown of the ELC rules and how it pertains to the reserve clause......
all valid and pertinent points.... AGAIN..... Some of which is only my opinion.... Why you gotta jump all ugly on me?,,,what's up with that?


Edited by RANGERNUT 2016-08-18 4:41 AM
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Posted 2016-08-18 7:14 AM (#663826 - in reply to #663825)
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Mandar - 2016-08-17 2:03 PM

RANGERNUT - 2016-08-17 2:38 PM

Here's a simpler breakdown of the ELC rules...

It's not like the system allows Vesey to actually hit a truly open market because he's still limited by entry-level contract rules. He's available to all 30 teams, but it's in a constrained market where nobody can offer more than a two-year deal with a $832,500 base salary, $92,500 signing bonus and $2.85 million in performance bonuses. This isn't about Vesey getting access to the kind of payday not afforded to other inexperienced players because he waited. It's about not turning draft rights into a softer form of the reserve clause.


Wait.....didn't you say: "Sounds like he cares more about the money than the destination"

Yep, you did....then WTF are you talking about now?


Wow Dude Your messed up !
You need to follow entire threads before you come off as being so high and mighty...
I did say that "In my opinion it "sounds like he cares more about the money than the destination" and I still believe that.. But that's only my opinion, which BTW I am entitled to...
I also went on to say this....Its not so much the Max ELC, that's a given that he will get that where ever he signs,, It's about bonuses and that was my point yesterday... ala, "Bidding War" Just my opinion ....
and then I wrote again responding to another post and tried to explain the simplest breakdown of the ELC rules and how it pertains to the reserve clause......
all valid and pertinent points.... AGAIN..... Some of which is only my opinion.... Why you gotta jump all ugly on me?,,,what's up with that?


Relax Alice....no one is trying to take away your "opinion" rights....yes, we know its only your opinion. But opinions can be wrong, no matter how much you are "entitled" to have them. And when you put them out there, they are open for debate.....or do you think your "opinions" are beyond reproach?

Now, the "bidding war" comment is stupid, as even the bonuses are not something that is swaying his decision (again, every team can offer the same max bonuses)....this isn't "opinion", its fact.

So "Dude"......I questioned your comment (that's why I "gotta jump all ugly on you".....and if you have issues with people debating your "opinions" (which you are entitled to), then that's something you need to work out.
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Posted 2016-08-18 7:47 AM (#663827 - in reply to #663753)
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Is it a given that every team can afford the maxed out ELC? I would imagine that Vesey would also be concerned about the probability his next team will be able to resign him when the two years are up.

So.... of course money is an issue. It always is
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Posted 2016-08-18 7:58 AM (#663828 - in reply to #663827)
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robstones - 2016-08-18 9:47 AM

Is it a given that every team can afford the maxed out ELC? I would imagine that Vesey would also be concerned about the probability his next team will be able to resign him when the two years are up.

So.... of course money is an issue. It always is


What team would be in the mix that cant offer the max money? If everyone has the same ceiling....who would be involved that cant offer it?

No....money isn't the issue here. And if you think that in two years, the team that signs him is so poor at asset management that they would be out on his second deal......then wow...just wow.

Then again, you would rather have Ekblad.
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Posted 2016-08-18 8:06 AM (#663829 - in reply to #663827)
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robstones - 2016-08-18 7:47 AM

Is it a given that every team can afford the maxed out ELC? I would imagine that Vesey would also be concerned about the probability his next team will be able to resign him when the two years are up.

So.... of course money is an issue. It always is


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Posted 2016-08-18 8:12 AM (#663830 - in reply to #663826)
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Mandar - 2016-08-18 7:14 AM

RANGERNUT - 2016-08-18 6:37 AM

Mandar - 2016-08-17 2:03 PM

RANGERNUT - 2016-08-17 2:38 PM

Here's a simpler breakdown of the ELC rules...

It's not like the system allows Vesey to actually hit a truly open market because he's still limited by entry-level contract rules. He's available to all 30 teams, but it's in a constrained market where nobody can offer more than a two-year deal with a $832,500 base salary, $92,500 signing bonus and $2.85 million in performance bonuses. This isn't about Vesey getting access to the kind of payday not afforded to other inexperienced players because he waited. It's about not turning draft rights into a softer form of the reserve clause.


Wait.....didn't you say: "Sounds like he cares more about the money than the destination"

Yep, you did....then WTF are you talking about now?


Wow Dude Your messed up !
You need to follow entire threads before you come off as being so high and mighty...
I did say that "In my opinion it "sounds like he cares more about the money than the destination" and I still believe that.. But that's only my opinion, which BTW I am entitled to...
I also went on to say this....Its not so much the Max ELC, that's a given that he will get that where ever he signs,, It's about bonuses and that was my point yesterday... ala, "Bidding War" Just my opinion ....
and then I wrote again responding to another post and tried to explain the simplest breakdown of the ELC rules and how it pertains to the reserve clause......
all valid and pertinent points.... AGAIN..... Some of which is only my opinion.... Why you gotta jump all ugly on me?,,,what's up with that?


Relax Alice....no one is trying to take away your "opinion" rights....yes, we know its only your opinion. But opinions can be wrong, no matter how much you are "entitled" to have them. And when you put them out there, they are open for debate.....or do you think your "opinions" are beyond reproach?

Now, the "bidding war" comment is stupid, as even the bonuses are not something that is swaying his decision (again, every team can offer the same max bonuses)....this isn't "opinion", its fact.

So "Dude"......I questioned your comment (that's why I "gotta jump all ugly on you".....and if you have issues with people debating your "opinions" (which you are entitled to), then that's something you need to work out.



o·pin·ion

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noun: opinion; plural noun: opinions

"a view or judgment formed about something, : a belief, judgment, or way of thinking about something : what someone thinks about a particular thing"


Your an idiot.. that's my opinion....Opinions can't be wrong you dope... the simply are...

Edited by RANGERNUT 2016-08-18 8:13 AM
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Posted 2016-08-18 9:09 AM (#663831 - in reply to #663830)
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RANGERNUT - 2016-08-18 10:12 AM

Mandar - 2016-08-18 7:14 AM

RANGERNUT - 2016-08-18 6:37 AM

Mandar - 2016-08-17 2:03 PM

RANGERNUT - 2016-08-17 2:38 PM

Here's a simpler breakdown of the ELC rules...

It's not like the system allows Vesey to actually hit a truly open market because he's still limited by entry-level contract rules. He's available to all 30 teams, but it's in a constrained market where nobody can offer more than a two-year deal with a $832,500 base salary, $92,500 signing bonus and $2.85 million in performance bonuses. This isn't about Vesey getting access to the kind of payday not afforded to other inexperienced players because he waited. It's about not turning draft rights into a softer form of the reserve clause.


Wait.....didn't you say: "Sounds like he cares more about the money than the destination"

Yep, you did....then WTF are you talking about now?


Wow Dude Your messed up !
You need to follow entire threads before you come off as being so high and mighty...
I did say that "In my opinion it "sounds like he cares more about the money than the destination" and I still believe that.. But that's only my opinion, which BTW I am entitled to...
I also went on to say this....Its not so much the Max ELC, that's a given that he will get that where ever he signs,, It's about bonuses and that was my point yesterday... ala, "Bidding War" Just my opinion ....
and then I wrote again responding to another post and tried to explain the simplest breakdown of the ELC rules and how it pertains to the reserve clause......
all valid and pertinent points.... AGAIN..... Some of which is only my opinion.... Why you gotta jump all ugly on me?,,,what's up with that?


Relax Alice....no one is trying to take away your "opinion" rights....yes, we know its only your opinion. But opinions can be wrong, no matter how much you are "entitled" to have them. And when you put them out there, they are open for debate.....or do you think your "opinions" are beyond reproach?

Now, the "bidding war" comment is stupid, as even the bonuses are not something that is swaying his decision (again, every team can offer the same max bonuses)....this isn't "opinion", its fact.

So "Dude"......I questioned your comment (that's why I "gotta jump all ugly on you".....and if you have issues with people debating your "opinions" (which you are entitled to), then that's something you need to work out.



o·pin·ion

noun

noun: opinion; plural noun: opinions

"a view or judgment formed about something, : a belief, judgment, or way of thinking about something : what someone thinks about a particular thing"


Your an idiot.. that's my opinion....Opinions can't be wrong you dope... the simply are...


cant be wrong? aren't you special to always have correct opinions. Obviously no one ever changes an opinion since they are never wrong.

also... "the simply are"...... your English class lesson must have missed the day they talked about sentence structure.....but that's just my opinion. Maybe you can look that up in your special dictionary......along with "Your an idiot"....perhaps the use of "You're" would be correct....again, just my opinion. Interesting when someone gets all smug about dictionary terms and such.....then go out and spout the sentences you did. Again, just my opinion.....
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Posted 2016-08-18 9:26 AM (#663832 - in reply to #663753)
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Jimmy Vesey has finished his meetings, will decide soon

Jimmy Vesey has finished his two days of interviews with seven teams and will reportedly take today and possibly tomorrow to make his decision. (McDonald)

Vesey met with the Rangers, Devils, Islanders, Bruins, Blackhawks, Penguins, Leafs and previously met with the Sabres who held his rights.

The Bruins, Vesey's hometown team, reportedly "did well" in their meeting yesterday. (Boston Herald)

The Bruins met with Vesey for 2 1/2 hours at their practice facility. (WEEI)

The Rangers reportedly met with Vesey at the Intercontinental Hotel in Boston, with Alain Vigneault as part of the group that included Jeff Gorton and Kevin Hayes (Tim)

Adam Rotter: Now it's a waiting game for Vesey to make his decision. I'd expect that throughout the day some teams will start to be crossed off and by tomorrow there will be a very short list of teams that he is considering. The belief from many around the league is that the Rangers will be on that short list tomorrow but ultimately no one knows where he will actually sign. There are different factors pulling at Vesey and you can make an argument for every team that he met with. It's a tough decision for him but it shouldn't be more than a day or two before we know where he is playing hockey this season.
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Posted 2016-08-18 10:37 AM (#663833 - in reply to #663827)
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robstones - 2016-08-18 7:47 AM

Is it a given that every team can afford the maxed out ELC? I would imagine that Vesey would also be concerned about the probability his next team will be able to resign him when the two years are up.

So.... of course money is an issue. It always is


Pretty much. You don't need the cap space right now for the bonuses, just the salary. You can make in season adjustments to the team if you're afraid he would hit them or absorb the bonuses the following season if you go over the cap because of it. Any team can maneuver money around if needed, and if he's worth the salary, a team will get him signed. This really has absolutely nothing to do with money.
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Posted 2016-08-18 12:32 PM (#663835 - in reply to #663833)
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Vua - 2016-08-18 12:37 PM

robstones - 2016-08-18 7:47 AM

Is it a given that every team can afford the maxed out ELC? I would imagine that Vesey would also be concerned about the probability his next team will be able to resign him when the two years are up.

So.... of course money is an issue. It always is


Pretty much. You don't need the cap space right now for the bonuses, just the salary. You can make in season adjustments to the team if you're afraid he would hit them or absorb the bonuses the following season if you go over the cap because of it. Any team can maneuver money around if needed, and if he's worth the salary, a team will get him signed. This really has absolutely nothing to do with money.


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Posted 2016-08-18 1:57 PM (#663836 - in reply to #663832)
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RANGERNUT - 2016-08-18 11:26 AM

Vesey met with the Rangers, Devils, Islanders, Bruins, Blackhawks, Penguins, Leafs and previously met with the Sabres who held his rights.



FINALLY -- an answer.
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Posted 2016-08-18 2:53 PM (#663837 - in reply to #663833)
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Vua - 2016-08-18 12:37 PM

robstones - 2016-08-18 7:47 AM

Is it a given that every team can afford the maxed out ELC? I would imagine that Vesey would also be concerned about the probability his next team will be able to resign him when the two years are up.

So.... of course money is an issue. It always is


Pretty much. You don't need the cap space right now for the bonuses, just the salary. You can make in season adjustments to the team if you're afraid he would hit them or absorb the bonuses the following season if you go over the cap because of it. Any team can maneuver money around if needed, and if he's worth the salary, a team will get him signed. This really has absolutely nothing to do with money.


Tell that to a guy like Hagelin. He was worth the raise, but The Rangers couldn't afford him. It happens all the time. On a team like Chicago or Pittsburgh.. even Buffalo... He may not stick around past the two years due to influx of new talent.

The Rangers, I see a future for him if he pans out.

I've read the Penguins can't really afford him. Small market teams may not be comfortable giving out 3 million to a rookie... forget the cap.... Buffalo, The Islanders and New Jersey may want to hold on to that extra two million to compensate for lacknowledge of sales
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Posted 2016-08-18 5:05 PM (#663839 - in reply to #663837)
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robstones - 2016-08-18 2:53 PM

Vua - 2016-08-18 12:37 PM

robstones - 2016-08-18 7:47 AM

Is it a given that every team can afford the maxed out ELC? I would imagine that Vesey would also be concerned about the probability his next team will be able to resign him when the two years are up.

So.... of course money is an issue. It always is


Pretty much. You don't need the cap space right now for the bonuses, just the salary. You can make in season adjustments to the team if you're afraid he would hit them or absorb the bonuses the following season if you go over the cap because of it. Any team can maneuver money around if needed, and if he's worth the salary, a team will get him signed. This really has absolutely nothing to do with money.


Tell that to a guy like Hagelin. He was worth the raise, but The Rangers couldn't afford him. It happens all the time. On a team like Chicago or Pittsburgh.. even Buffalo... He may not stick around past the two years due to influx of new talent.

The Rangers, I see a future for him if he pans out.

I've read the Penguins can't really afford him. Small market teams may not be comfortable giving out 3 million to a rookie... forget the cap.... Buffalo, The Islanders and New Jersey may want to hold on to that extra two million to compensate for lacknowledge of sales


I loved Hags but he didn't deserve that much money. Sorry. And they aren't giving him $3 million, for him to get that he has to be one of the best players in the league. Any team in the league would gladly pay $3 million for an All-Star, MVP candidate and top 10 scorer in the league. And honestly, Vesey isn't going to hit those bonuses no matter what team he goes to.

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Posted 2016-08-19 10:06 AM (#663854 - in reply to #663753)
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Incarcerated Bob IBN þ@incarceratedbob 2m2 minutes ago
If reports are true and Rags do sign Matt Gilroy .... congrats
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Breaking: NCAA Star @19Vesey #Vesey will sign with NY Rangers (Hawks/Islanders) finished 2nd/3rd sources confirmed.
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Posted 2016-08-19 10:06 AM (#663855 - in reply to #663753)
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I see this move as a major domino for the season. The comps have him in the mold of Kreider which would be fantastic but still unrealistic. I think his value comes from what others have pointed out here, depth. He is literally worth more to us on ELC. He would free up a Nash trade. The cap space could be used to resign Shattenkirk if they get him. The flexibility he offers is IMO worth the 2.5m in bonuses they would commit to him. If they don't get him I won't loose sleep but it has a real down roster impact if they do.
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Posted 2016-08-19 10:08 AM (#663856 - in reply to #663753)
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Arthur Staple ?@StapeNewsday 2h2 hours ago
Nothing final yet, but hearing it's #NYR or #CHI for Jimmy Vesey. Tavares made a strong pitch for #Isles but they fell short, it appears.
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Posted 2016-08-19 10:09 AM (#663857 - in reply to #663753)
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Jimmy Vesey will be with an American original 6 team I'm hearing. @NYRangers & @NHLBlackhawks are finalists according to multiple sources.
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Posted 2016-08-19 10:09 AM (#663858 - in reply to #663753)
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Or from me
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Posted 2016-08-19 10:15 AM (#663859 - in reply to #663753)
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Breaking news: Vesey's jersey will have red in it.
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Posted 2016-08-19 11:17 AM (#663860 - in reply to #663753)
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Posted 2016-08-19 12:22 PM (#663861 - in reply to #663858)
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Or from me




What?
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Posted 2016-08-19 3:58 PM (#663867 - in reply to #663753)
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Vesey is a Ranger
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Posted 2016-08-30 2:32 PM (#663956 - in reply to #663753)
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Posted 2017-01-22 6:10 AM (#666590 - in reply to #663753)
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