Trade Deadline - March 1st - 3pm Eastern
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Posted 2017-02-03 2:10 PM (#666926 - in reply to #666923)
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I'd rather have Ekblad.

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Posted 2017-02-03 3:03 PM (#666927 - in reply to #666923)
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Posted 2017-02-03 3:36 PM (#666928 - in reply to #666927)
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In line with previous AV/Gorton acquisitions at the deadline ................... Chris Pronger. Power play help.
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Posted 2017-02-03 4:20 PM (#666929 - in reply to #666923)
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Posted 2017-02-03 8:20 PM (#666930 - in reply to #666926)
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concust - 2017-02-03 4:10 PM

I'd rather have Ekblad.



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Posted 2017-02-04 8:41 AM (#666931 - in reply to #666923)
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Rangers should be sellers. They have shown no ability to beat the best teams and have been embarrassed by them on several occasions. The GM's of this team have been moronic by not selling high on players they have a replacement for. Which is exactly why they should trade Holden who will bring back a ton. He's having a great year, is dirt cheap for this and next season. I posted this on another board. Toronto's defense is horrible. They have 3 second round picks. I would think they can get 2 second rounders and a prospect like Rychel back in a deal. It's a deal they should absolutely make because Graves is ready and IMO he will be better than Skjei who I think is fantastic. Then see if there is someway to trade Nash and not take back a lot of salary.
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Posted 2017-02-04 6:44 PM (#666932 - in reply to #666923)
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The Rangers have until March 1 to figure out if they want to buy or sell. I don't see much buying this year. They cant afford the assets to acquire the so called top end talent. And unless somebody other than Trouba is available, there is no one. Personally I think Shattenkirk is a Wade Redon contractual bust waiting to happen. His present skills totally overblown by acquiring teams total lack of viable options. Unless they can package someone off the dcorp and one of their forwards and get a solid young dman like a Trouba then they are wasting their time. And even if your trading Stephan or Nash your not exactly selling high. Draft picks would have to enter the equation, and the Rangers are not in a position to Do that. Especially since smart money is on a early playoff exit.
That said the Rangers are capable of getting on a roll, and you owe it to the fans to take your swing. Even with quickie on Millers line instead of Buccnevich. Trading arguably their second best defensemen Holden is not the answer in my opinion. They need him badly for his contract length. Getting rid of Klein or Girardi is. And that's the key phrase. "Get rid of" One way or another. Unfortunately not so easy with Girardi so he's here til summer at least. But Klein is moveable and then you bring up Graves and hope your d has been improved. Other teams that don't expect homerun passes every shift, to forwards usually blowing the d zone to soon might make better use of Klein. Unless Gorton pulls a rabbit out of the hat Klein probably the guy to go and not much else.


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Posted 2017-02-04 7:28 PM (#666933 - in reply to #666923)
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The Rangers would have to try pretty hard to miss the playoffs..... they're going to be in the post season.... They're not selling anything.

I saw an article suggested possibly getting Trouba AND Little in a blockbuster that would include Stepan in the deal plus.... I think they said Sean Day. I wonder if Brady Skjei would do it. A 2 for 2 swap.

Idk how I feel about that.... but it's an interesting proposal.





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Posted 2017-02-04 9:04 PM (#666934 - in reply to #666933)
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The Rangers would have to try pretty hard to miss the playoffs..... they're going to be in the post season.... They're not selling anything.

I saw an article suggested possibly getting Trouba AND Little in a blockbuster that would include Stepan in the deal plus.... I think they said Sean Day. I wonder if Brady Skjei would do it. A 2 for 2 swap.

Idk how I feel about that.... but it's an interesting proposal.







If somehow the Rangers ended up with McD, Holden, Staal, Skjei, Girardi, Graves and landed Trouba, that's about as much a Grand Slam as Gorton could hope for on D. Girardi is immovable at this time. And if Stephan was the key piece going to Winnipeg it's doable.
That's also assuming Miller replaces Stephan at centre and he's shown the talent is there to do it. He also changes the centre dynamic for the Rangers with some badly needed grit.

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Posted 2017-02-05 1:16 AM (#666935 - in reply to #666934)
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If somehow the Rangers ended up with McD, Holden, Staal, Skjei, Girardi, Graves and landed Trouba, that's about as much a Grand Slam as Gorton could hope for on D. Girardi is immovable at this time. And if Stephan was the key piece going to Winnipeg it's doable.
That's also assuming Miller replaces Stephan at centre and he's shown the talent is there to do it. He also changes the centre dynamic for the Rangers with some badly needed grit.


Considering AV's feelings about Miller, I think the Rangers either sign another #1/1A center or trade for one (and I would bet Miller would be part of that package).
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Posted 2017-02-05 6:52 AM (#666936 - in reply to #666935)
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If somehow the Rangers ended up with McD, Holden, Staal, Skjei, Girardi, Graves and landed Trouba, that's about as much a Grand Slam as Gorton could hope for on D. Girardi is immovable at this time. And if Stephan was the key piece going to Winnipeg it's doable.
That's also assuming Miller replaces Stephan at centre and he's shown the talent is there to do it. He also changes the centre dynamic for the Rangers with some badly needed grit.


Considering AV's feelings about Miller, I think the Rangers either sign another #1/1A center or trade for one (and I would bet Miller would be part of that package).



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Posted 2017-02-05 10:51 AM (#666939 - in reply to #666923)
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Absolutely no on trading Miller....Im not keen on dealing picks either.....3 #1's for MSL and Yandle
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Posted 2017-02-05 12:27 PM (#666947 - in reply to #666923)
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Stepan has been a good Ranger, though. It'd be tough to see him go

Trouba would add just about everything you could as for in a defender, though.

And very good point about Miller, I've always liked him at center, and he plays well with Nash/Zuccarello

The article also wonders if they'd go after Vanek to help the PP. Forget what they suggested going the other way, but also interesting
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Posted 2017-02-05 12:53 PM (#666950 - in reply to #666947)
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The thing with Stepan is that he has a nmc which kicks in after this season,so if they are going to move him,now is the time.
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Posted 2017-02-06 10:07 AM (#666967 - in reply to #666923)
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Stepan is underappreciated. Would be a huge mistake to let him go.

I don't want any buying this year. The Calgary game only further confirms what we all know - this team is out-possessed, out-shot, and out-played more nights than not. We're not getting past the second round, and a depth defenseman or another forward, isn't going to change the fundamental makeup of the team.

If they can mask a lateral move and pick up some assets in the deal, or cap flexibility, then I'm all for that. IMO that's the ideal situation. I.e. deal Holden for a depth defenseman and a second round pick or something. Pirri for a 6th and a fringe NHL'er. I don't see any moves bigger than that. Although this is New York...

Please don't give up anything to get Wideman or Iginla.

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Posted 2017-02-06 11:53 AM (#666968 - in reply to #666967)
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concust - 2017-02-06 6:07 PM

We're not getting past the first round, and a depth defenseman or another forward, isn't going to change the fundamental makeup of the team.


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Posted 2017-02-06 6:31 PM (#666969 - in reply to #666968)
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Instead of looking to make another big-name deadline splash, they should be looking to grab a young, tough defenseman who actually plays defense. They have enough firepower up front, and McDonagh/Skjei/Holden are offensive oriented enough for a reasonable power play. They need physical defensemen who play stay at home, tough defense. In other words, small moves that build on the talent here now, which is young enough to build on for a season or two.
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Posted 2017-02-06 6:41 PM (#666971 - in reply to #666923)
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Trouba is all of those things. Young, physical, stay at home, but also makes good passes, and has a hard shot.... and he's a pretty big name. He'd help us in every facet.

McDonagh Trouba

would be one of the top pairs in the league, potentially.

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Posted 2017-02-06 7:25 PM (#666972 - in reply to #666923)
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At what cost? Would they let Trouba go straight up for Fast? In that case, yes. But I suspect that they would want Miller, or Kreider, or Hayes/Vesey, or Buchnevich. In which case, I say "absolutely no ****ing way".
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Posted 2017-02-06 7:41 PM (#666973 - in reply to #666923)
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Personally I don't want to see a Ranger youth or picks for a Iginlia type. Last year the Staal is still a sore spot. Expensive and then wasted by Vigneault. But if Gorton can pull off another Zabenijad for Brassard deal that's the type of trade I'd like to see. A good future based trade without giving up present hope. And a Trouba Stepan type trade fits the bill.
Stepan has been a good Ranger, but I see a guy who has good value on the market, a guy blocking Hayes and Millers accession to top two centre minutes. And a guy who isn't outplaying either one of them. And for 6.5 mill and next year unmoveable it's a no brainer to move him. Especially if another GM likes Stepan enough to send a quality right side dman here in exchange. Stepan in my opinion is another Girardi, Staal contract predicament that has to be avoided.
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Posted 2017-02-07 8:50 AM (#666976 - in reply to #666972)
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PV29 - 2017-02-06 9:25 PM

At what cost? Would they let Trouba go straight up for Fast? In that case, yes. But I suspect that they would want Miller, or Kreider, or Hayes/Vesey, or Buchnevich. In which case, I say "absolutely no ****ing way".


http://fulltiltnyr.com/ranking-potential-new-york-rangers-trade-tar...

What about Stepan and Sean Day or even Brady Skjei, for Trouba and Little?

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Posted 2017-02-07 9:53 AM (#666977 - in reply to #666976)
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PV29 - 2017-02-06 9:25 PM

At what cost? Would they let Trouba go straight up for Fast? In that case, yes. But I suspect that they would want Miller, or Kreider, or Hayes/Vesey, or Buchnevich. In which case, I say "absolutely no ****ing way".


http://fulltiltnyr.com/ranking-potential-new-york-rangers-trade-tar...

What about Stepan and Sean Day or even Brady Skjei, for Trouba and Little?



Why would the Jets make that trade?

Stepan is better than Little but Little is younger and cheaper (2 years 4.5 remaining) than Stepan (5 years 6.5 remaining)

Trouba is better than Skjei now, and has a higher ceiling in the future, and both are the same age.

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Posted 2017-02-07 5:59 PM (#666980 - in reply to #666923)
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Stepan is 3 years younger, and better.

Stepan for Trouba is a wash.... Trouba may have better value

Skjei for Little is a wash, too, but Little is 30 this year

So, The Jets get younger, and improve their Center ice position while still getting a good young defenseman in Skjei

Rangers get better on D, and Little is still a serviceable Center

Trouba wanting out is one less headache to deal with
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Posted 2017-02-07 8:18 PM (#666994 - in reply to #666923)
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The idea is to KEEP the top 9 talent, and Buch, while solidifying a questionable backline. Giving up the most consistent playoff performer over the past three years (Stepan) at the deadline makes no sense. I don't care what his contract is or cap hit is. He's not tradable if you're serious about building a winner.
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Posted 2017-02-08 10:59 AM (#667003 - in reply to #666923)
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Deadline is actually March 1st...corrected the title
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Posted 2017-02-08 12:19 PM (#667004 - in reply to #666923)
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If ever a game illustrated the Rangers’ crying need for a defenseman who can control the puck and lead the way out of the zone, it was this one at the Garden on Tuesday against Anaheim in which the shots and shot attempts at even-strength, 36-18 and 62-33 against, respectively, looked like scores of a Knicks game.

But even with 22 shopping days until the March 1 trade deadline and even though the Rangers own a projected $10.1 million of space, there is really no one on whom general manager Jeff Gorton can spend it.

No one on whom he can responsibly spend it without overpaying in terms of assets that would have to go the other way and with no one on the market worthy of such short-sighted sacrifice, that is.

http://nypost.com/2017/02/08/why-the-rangers-shouldnt-force-a-deal-...
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Posted 2017-02-08 12:58 PM (#667006 - in reply to #667004)
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RANGERNUT - 2017-02-08 11:19 AM

If ever a game illustrated the Rangers’ crying need for a defenseman who can control the puck and lead the way out of the zone, it was this one at the Garden on Tuesday against Anaheim in which the shots and shot attempts at even-strength, 36-18 and 62-33 against, respectively, looked like scores of a Knicks game.

But even with 22 shopping days until the March 1 trade deadline and even though the Rangers own a projected $10.1 million of space, there is really no one on whom general manager Jeff Gorton can spend it.

No one on whom he can responsibly spend it without overpaying in terms of assets that would have to go the other way and with no one on the market worthy of such short-sighted sacrifice, that is.

http://nypost.com/2017/02/08/why-the-rangers-shouldnt-force-a-deal-...




Salary Cap room is an asset. Would be a first if the Rangers took advantage another team needing to clear some space. Maybe not so much at the deadline but possibly over the summer.
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Posted 2017-02-08 3:22 PM (#667007 - in reply to #667003)
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Fish - 2017-02-08 11:59 AM

Deadline is actually March 1st...corrected the title


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Posted 2017-02-08 3:33 PM (#667008 - in reply to #666923)
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OK I think we can all reasonably agree that the forwards are pretty much set. If you acquire a depth forward as a hedge against injury, then great. But to me, no glaring holes up front.

In goal, there's not even a conversation.

On defense, in order to really move the needle on making this team better for the postseason, you need to add a top 4 defenseman, without moving one out. Argue the rankings all you like, but that means to me, as currently constructed, McDonagh, Skjei, Holden, Staal all need to stay. Argue Staal if you want but this year, Klein and Girardi have been worse. So if you can add a (example) Shattenkirk-level defenseman, then yes you have significantly improved your defense because it allows you to basically move a poor defenseman OUT of the lineup in addition to adding a good defenseman. That's a win-win.

Now if you're looking at a depth defenseman, like a Franson or Wideman or similar, which is much more realistic based on the assets we have, that's at best a slight upgrade. Does not make this team a threat overnight. If that's the case then why bother? Just put in Clendening or call up Graves or Bodie. None of those guys is going to be a difference maker either, and you don't have to give up picks to do it. Hell, a Kid running on pure adrenaline because he's making his NHL debut in the playoffs, is going to be worth more than Dennis Wideman tooling around for 15 minutes a night while wondering if Morimoto has an opening for the next night.

Unless this team can flat out rip someone off in a deal we're best served by standing pat. Did adding Staal really matter? Did adding Yandle really matter? Do you think Franson is going to?
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Posted 2017-02-09 5:54 AM (#667010 - in reply to #666923)
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While what WE say makes sense to us, may not make sense to management. What they do depends on whether they consider this team Cup material and, if so, do they go for it.
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Posted 2017-02-09 6:07 AM (#667011 - in reply to #667008)
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concust - 2017-02-08 3:33 PM

OK I think we can all reasonably agree that the forwards are pretty much set. If you acquire a depth forward as a hedge against injury, then great. But to me, no glaring holes up front.

In goal, there's not even a conversation.

On defense, in order to really move the needle on making this team better for the postseason, you need to add a top 4 defenseman, without moving one out. Argue the rankings all you like, but that means to me, as currently constructed, McDonagh, Skjei, Holden, Staal all need to stay. Argue Staal if you want but this year, Klein and Girardi have been worse. So if you can add a (example) Shattenkirk-level defenseman, then yes you have significantly improved your defense because it allows you to basically move a poor defenseman OUT of the lineup in addition to adding a good defenseman. That's a win-win.

Now if you're looking at a depth defenseman, like a Franson or Wideman or similar, which is much more realistic based on the assets we have, that's at best a slight upgrade. Does not make this team a threat overnight. If that's the case then why bother? Just put in Clendening or call up Graves or Bodie. None of those guys is going to be a difference maker either, and you don't have to give up picks to do it. Hell, a Kid running on pure adrenaline because he's making his NHL debut in the playoffs, is going to be worth more than Dennis Wideman tooling around for 15 minutes a night while wondering if Morimoto has an opening for the next night.

Unless this team can flat out rip someone off in a deal we're best served by standing pat. Did adding Staal really matter? Did adding Yandle really matter? Do you think Franson is going to?


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Posted 2017-02-09 7:12 AM (#667012 - in reply to #667010)
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Mjolnir - 2017-02-09 6:54 AM

While what WE say makes sense to us, may not make sense to management. What they do depends on whether they consider this team Cup material and, if so, do they go for it.


Pretty sure management's priority at this point is maximizing playoff revenue versus winning a cup. Which at least is a much more realistic goal.
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Posted 2017-02-09 7:47 AM (#667013 - in reply to #667008)
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concust - 2017-02-08 5:33 PM

On defense, in order to really move the needle on making this team better for the postseason, you need to add a top 4 defenseman, without moving one out. Argue the rankings all you like, but that means to me, as currently constructed, McDonagh, Skjei, Holden, Staal all need to stay. Argue Staal if you want but this year, Klein and Girardi have been worse. So if you can add a (example) Shattenkirk-level defenseman, then yes you have significantly improved your defense because it allows you to basically move a poor defenseman OUT of the lineup in addition to adding a good defenseman. That's a win-win.

I say stand pat, because if Rangers were to get a Shattenkirk type, AV is more likely to sit Skjei than either Klein or Girardi, no matter how little sense that makes. He hasn't really rested either one of them all season despite saying early on that that was the plan to keep them fresh
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Posted 2017-02-09 9:09 AM (#667014 - in reply to #666931)
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itsmcilrathtime - 2017-02-04 7:41 AM

They have shown no ability to beat the best teams and have been embarrassed by them on several occasions.


Against the other teams ranked in the top 10, the Rangers are 8-7-0 this season....that's a long way from "no ability"
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Posted 2017-02-09 10:27 AM (#667015 - in reply to #666931)
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itsmcilrathtime - 2017-02-04 10:41 AM

Rangers should be sellers. They have shown no ability to beat the best teams and have been embarrassed by them on several occasions.

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Posted 2017-02-09 10:54 AM (#667016 - in reply to #667013)
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sureshore - 2017-02-09 8:47 AM

concust - 2017-02-08 5:33 PM

On defense, in order to really move the needle on making this team better for the postseason, you need to add a top 4 defenseman, without moving one out. Argue the rankings all you like, but that means to me, as currently constructed, McDonagh, Skjei, Holden, Staal all need to stay. Argue Staal if you want but this year, Klein and Girardi have been worse. So if you can add a (example) Shattenkirk-level defenseman, then yes you have significantly improved your defense because it allows you to basically move a poor defenseman OUT of the lineup in addition to adding a good defenseman. That's a win-win.

I say stand pat, because if Rangers were to get a Shattenkirk type, AV is more likely to sit Skjei than either Klein or Girardi, no matter how little sense that makes. He hasn't really rested either one of them all season despite saying early on that that was the plan to keep them fresh


Yeah that's the other issue I didn't even bring up. Even if we get a guy (not advocating for Shattenkirk btw) there's no reason to think AV will utilize him properly. Yandle was misused. Eric Staal was misused. Like you said Skjei will be the odd man out or Holden. Girardi, Klein, Staal's utilization is not going to drastically change.

I'm just glad that we've played 3 rookies all year long. When was the last time that happened? Thinking back to as long as I've followed the Rangers (30+ years) I can't remember the last time that happened. Early 90's maybe, Weight, Amonte, Marchant?
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Posted 2017-02-09 12:27 PM (#667017 - in reply to #667014)
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Fish - 2017-02-09 9:09 AM

itsmcilrathtime - 2017-02-04 7:41 AM

They have shown no ability to beat the best teams and have been embarrassed by them on several occasions.


Against the other teams ranked in the top 10, the Rangers are 8-7-0 this season....that's a long way from "no ability"



Teams ranked 5 to 10 are not the best teams. My calculations say they are 3-6 vs the top teams. Would be 2-7 if not for playing Columbus backup who stunk in a 5-4 win. The top teams are Pitt, Washington, Minnesota and Montreal. Everybody else is a pretender. So, as I said, they have shown no ability to beat the best teams and have been embarrassed by them on several occassions.
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Posted 2017-02-09 12:55 PM (#667019 - in reply to #666923)
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Hopefully the team can remain healthy and we can see how they perform against top teams then. It's difficult to measure when you are comparing teams with health and schedule issues.
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Posted 2017-02-09 1:20 PM (#667020 - in reply to #666923)
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Must make move on defense--I actually think we need 2 defenseman. This core defensive group gets us TO round 1---That is it! I would trade for Trouba and sign Shattenkirk after season. The only untouchables in my opinion are Buuuuch and Vesey. Just dont give up too much for Trouba and we'll be fine. We have to trade Grabs I'm guessing because we will lose him at expasion draft--so do Grabs and Klein for Trouba!
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Posted 2017-02-09 1:32 PM (#667022 - in reply to #667020)
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Must make move on defense--I actually think we need 2 defenseman. This core defensive group gets us TO round 1---That is it! I would trade for Trouba and sign Shattenkirk after season. The only untouchables in my opinion are Buuuuch and Vesey. Just dont give up too much for Trouba and we'll be fine. We have to trade Grabs I'm guessing because we will lose him at expasion draft--so do Grabs and Klein for Trouba!


While it may suck to lose Grabs to expansion draft, he's been our 2nd to 3rd best player. While we have depth, I think there's something special with Grabs and this team this year and hopefully won't disappear when come playoff time.

To get Trouba it will take more than Klein and Grabner anyway. The Jets will probably want a first rounder and prospect/young winger and a veteran. Maybe something like Buch, Klein, Day and a 3rd round pick. I wouldn't do it, but that's what I think the ask would be.
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itsmcilrathtime - 2017-02-09 1:27 PM

Teams ranked 5 to 10 are not the best teams. My calculations say they are 3-6 vs the top teams. Would be 2-7 if not for playing Columbus backup who stunk in a 5-4 win. The top teams are Pitt, Washington, Minnesota and Montreal. Everybody else is a pretender. So, as I said, they have shown no ability to beat the best teams and have been embarrassed by them on several occassions.



Hahahaha the Canadiens? They're 17-16-7 since November. Double check your "calculations."

Or maybe watch a few games instead of just looking up standings.

And you wonder why you have zero credibility around here.

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itsmcilrathtime - 2017-02-09 1:27 PM

Teams ranked 5 to 10 are not the best teams. My calculations say they are 3-6 vs the top teams. Would be 2-7 if not for playing Columbus backup who stunk in a 5-4 win. The top teams are Pitt, Washington, Minnesota and Montreal. Everybody else is a pretender. So, as I said, they have shown no ability to beat the best teams and have been embarrassed by them on several occassions.



Hahahaha the Canadiens? They're 17-16-7 since November. Double check your "calculations."

Or maybe watch a few games instead of just looking up standings.

And you wonder why you have zero credibility around here.



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Posted 2017-02-10 2:51 AM (#667063 - in reply to #666923)
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Montreal has Price and they are a nightmare to beat in Montreal in the playoffs. Some might throw Chicago in the mix this year. I believe when NY played them Toews was out once and then the second time it was his first game back. Either way, when the Rangers can play Pitt or Minny and not give up 5 to 7 goals, wake me.
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Those games where The Rangers gave up 7 goals, happened in December..... The Rangers beat Pittsburgh 5-2 in November... also beat The Caps 4-2.

The Rangers have also had two 7 goal games and three 6 goal games this year.

17 of their 35 wins... half.... have been games where The Rangers scored 5 or more goals, and they have the 3rd best goal differential in the league.

Next time they play Pittsburgh or Minnesota will be after the deadline

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It's always the same with this fan base. When they beat a few teams in a row that aren't all that good in the regular season, everybody starts whacking it and believes they can win the cup. They were embarrassed by Pitt and Minnesota. They never beat Montreal up there when Price is in net.
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Posted 2017-02-11 10:31 AM (#667070 - in reply to #667069)
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I said on Jan. 31st that the test of this team will be the games against the Caps, CBJ, Pens, Isles, Habs and the California teams.

They lost to CBJ on 1/31; it was a 6 - 0 blowout until the Jackets stopped playing in the third period.
They beat Anaheim 4 - 1. They were outshot 44 to 20, but a win is a win.

So 1 win, 1 loss. After tonight's game against the lowly Avalanche, they play 6 of the remaining 8 this month against CBJ (twice), Caps (twice), Habs and Isles. We will know by the 28th of this month whether or not this team is built to seriously contend for the Eastern Conference finals. Four of those games are at home, so no excuses.
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PV29 - 2017-02-11 12:31 PM

We will know by the 28th of this month whether or not this team is built to seriously contend for the Eastern Conference finals. Four of those games are at home, so no excuses.


Nope.
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PV29 - 2017-02-11 11:31 AM

I said on Jan. 31st that the test of this team will be the games against the Caps, CBJ, Pens, Isles, Habs and the California teams.

They lost to CBJ on 1/31; it was a 6 - 0 blowout until the Jackets stopped playing in the third period.
They beat Anaheim 4 - 1. They were outshot 44 to 20, but a win is a win.

So 1 win, 1 loss. After tonight's game against the lowly Avalanche, they play 6 of the remaining 8 this month against CBJ (twice), Caps (twice), Habs and Isles. We will know by the 28th of this month whether or not this team is built to seriously contend for the Eastern Conference finals. Four of those games are at home, so no excuses.


A win is a win in that you get your two points, but for the purposes of judging the compete level of this team, that Anaheim game may as well have been a loss.

The Avalanche game was no picnic either, down 2-1 heading into the third. Outshot by one of the worst teams in the league, playing against their backup-turned-starter, missing Tyson Barrie...

Agree the next stretch will tell if they can man up and actually beat these teams or if they'll show their true colors. It will also likely determine how big of a splash they try to make at the deadline.
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Posted 2017-02-17 8:23 AM (#667217 - in reply to #666923)
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2 wins, 2 losses so far.

Remaining games against playoff teams are:

Caps on 2/19
Habs on 2/21
CBJ on 2/26
Caps 2/28

If they get 4 wins or less in this stretch of tough games I say they should do nothing at the deadline except maybe get rid of Girardi's and/or Staal's contracts if possible. 5 wins or more and I can see them trying to get a piece or two for the playoffs.

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Stepan , Zabinajad, Buchnevich, Pirri and Shertskin.... to Colorado for Duchense and Landeskog....do it...Money is almost a wash
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Mikey Red - 2017-02-17 10:48 AM

Stepan , Zabinajad, Buchnevich, Pirri and Shertskin.... to Colorado for Duchense and Landeskog....do it...Money is almost a wash


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Mikey Red - 2017-02-17 10:48 AM

Stepan , Zabinajad, Buchnevich, Pirri and Shertskin.... to Colorado for Duchense and Landeskog....do it...Money is almost a wash


Don't quit your day job.

That has to be a joke.... Right???
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Stepan , Zabinajad, Buchnevich, Pirri and Shertskin.... to Colorado for Duchense and Landeskog....do it...Money is almost a wash


Don't quit your day job.
not quite enough to make your list, but has potential
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Good thing I have a good day job.....Why not? Stepan is awful...always on the PP trying to thread a pass from the boards thru 4 people....You give Colorado 4 right away players and a goalie down the road they need.... we get 2 guys who i am sure hate going to work right now and are infinitely better than those 4....I forgot ej....good competitive season is good enough for you
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Posted 2017-02-17 12:53 PM (#667223 - in reply to #666923)
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How long has it been since we last won? How much open window is left?
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Posted 2017-02-17 12:57 PM (#667224 - in reply to #666923)
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Just want to be clear...You wouldnt do that deal why?
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Posted 2017-02-17 1:21 PM (#667225 - in reply to #666923)
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The well in Colorado is poisoned ...these guys have to go....Someone is going to get one of them....If we can give Ryan Callahan and 2 #1's for 90000 year old 5 foot tall MSL...then....
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Good thing I have a good day job.....Why not? Stepan is awful...always on the PP trying to thread a pass from the boards thru 4 people....You give Colorado 4 right away players and a goalie down the road they need.... we get 2 guys who i am sure hate going to work right now and are infinitely better than those 4....I forgot ej....good competitive season is good enough for you


If Stepan is awful (as you say)....., obviously Colorado will want to trade for him. Zib & Buch...our #2 center and one of our top young forwards....both top 9 (arguable top 6) players.....oh, and add in the best goalie that isn't in the NHL (and the heir apparent to Hank). For two top 6 western conference forwards....who are good...that much is certain. But the talent on both sides of your proposed mess is soooooooo lopsided, its laughable. I would counter your "analysis" that the 2 coming back are better than the 4 going the other way.....in what world is the talent coming back better than what we give away?

But hey....the dollars are about even.


now....try to think about the fact that a defenseman or two is what we need....not to churn forwards for forwards that will solve zero issues with this team.
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Mandar - 2017-02-17 11:36 AM

Mikey Red - 2017-02-17 10:48 AM

Stepan , Zabinajad, Buchnevich, Pirri and Shertskin.... to Colorado for Duchense and Landeskog....do it...Money is almost a wash


Don't quit your day job.
not quite enough to make your list, but has potential


true....but notice how nice I have been this season with the list......but eventually, someone will earn a spot. Waiting for Robbie to go on one of his "we need Nash" crusades....
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No doubt we need defenseman...I dont want Shattenkirk......Stepan is Awful from a frustrated fans perpective....He is a solid player....You have to give to get....Buch and Pirri watch from the stands right now....I think Skapski can be Henriks replacement ...Your crazy if you think Duchense and Landeskog are simply a switch for Stepan and Zib .....Every team in the League is trying to trade for them right now
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Posted 2017-02-17 3:21 PM (#667229 - in reply to #667228)
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Rangers have enough scoring talent, YOUNG scoring talent, up front for the playoffs. Scoring isn't the problem, there's no need for Duchesne or Landeskog no matter how good they are.

The problem is keeping teams from constantly cycling and getting high quality chances from the crease and between the faceoff dots. Hence the need for physical defensemen who actually play physical defense. Not the shiniest object on the market. If there's the equivalent of Jay Wells and David Shaw out there available now, get them. The asking price should not be prohibitive. Add a pending free agent grinder-banger for the 4th line and take a shot in the playoffs.
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PV you are right...but if Colorado is unloading these guys...then why not take a shot? It would be a 1000% upgrade.....Yes we need a Physical D man.....Alot of teams do....Who is he? and what will it cost?
Staal and Girardi have an eternity left on their contracts
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Trouba, Franson, Stone, and if Detroit is selling as they should be Mike Green could be a target.

Nash and Stepan seem to be the leading candidates to go.

If The Rangers do trade Stepan, I read recently that Hanzal could and should also be a target.

Hanzal and Trouba are my targets.... what would I give up to add that size and skill set to The Rangers? Tough call, but they would be just what the doctor ordered, and would give The Rangers a playoff ready team in my opinion
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Posted 2017-02-17 9:20 PM (#667232 - in reply to #666923)
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Trade Stepan or Nash and get back a similar priced dman. Today's NHL trades are about $ for $. The dman should be a capable top four guy. Trade Klein for hopefully a guy that can slide between the third and fourth line and have some bite to his game. Realistically not much else in the cards, other than a Pirri or Pumper trade.
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Get Hagelin, Brassard and Callahan back....Playoff warriors
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Posted 2017-02-18 6:40 PM (#667234 - in reply to #667233)
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Fast would look awesome in a Stars jersey. See if Dallas will trade Stephen Johns straight up for the Quickie. AV may cry and be depressed for awhile, but it would help the defense.
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No chance PV...Fast will be wearing an "A" soon lol with AV
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Fast would look awesome in a Stars jersey. See if Dallas will trade Stephen Johns straight up for the Quickie. AV may cry and be depressed for awhile, but it would help the defense.


AV would glue him to the press box and demand that Tan-Tan be promoted to big club.
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Posted 2017-02-19 1:26 PM (#667255 - in reply to #666923)
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Rangers should absolutely move Stepan before they get dragged into his moronic, NMC. He's not a fit for this system. Duchene is and he is an elite faceoff guy. I don't think you give up more for Duchene than Stepan. However, if they want Stepan, Nieves and and Puempel, so be it. It's pretty even one on one. Colorado plays no defense and Stepan can help. He's a perfect number 2 on that team. That being said, I'd shop Nash and see what is offered. Nash has never been the difference here in the post season. A little more than one year on his deal. Might find some takers.
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TSN's trade bait list:
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Pretty sad looking list of D in that article
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Pretty sad looking list of D in that list





My thoughts to. The Rangers are going to have to dig a bit but some teams are facing the prospect of losing guys or letting RFA's walk this summer to to gear up for next year, let alone the expansion draft. Tampa for example is well known as being in a cap crunch with some notables to be signed for next season. Brayden Coburn is rumoured available and Tampa possibly having to sweeten things to move him. Gordon's done a nice job and has some cap room to take on that type of deal. This is the first year in a long time the Rangers are not rumoured to be acquiring a Nash, St. Louis or Yandle. I'm very curious to see what Gorton does. In his short tenure I think he's done a very credible job. Help is out there for the defense, it's a matter of digging and finding it. All you have to do is remember the defensive scrubs Jim Rutherford acquired prior to last seasons playoffs.
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does a guy like Hanzal move the needle? yep he is not a defensemen but would his presence up the level of the team defense. Or perhaps relieve some burden on the defensive and allow the D-corps to perform above its true level? I think he could alter things enough to that the team is approved quite a bit.
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does a guy like Hanzal move the needle? yep he is not a defensemen but would his presence up the level of the team defense. Or perhaps relieve some burden on the defensive and allow the D-corps to perform above its true level? I think he could alter things enough to that the team is approved quite a bit.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10212146801327184&set=p.10212146801327184&type=3




He might but at what cost? Plus unless he becomes the fourth center one of Stepan, Zibanejad, or Hayes would have to switch positions.
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does a guy like Hanzal move the needle? yep he is not a defensemen but would his presence up the level of the team defense. Or perhaps relieve some burden on the defensive and allow the D-corps to perform above its true level? I think he could alter things enough to that the team is approved quite a bit.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10212146801327184&set=p.10212146801327184&type=3




He might but at what cost? Plus unless he becomes the fourth center one of Stepan, Zibanejad, or Hayes would have to switch positions.


Figure he is UFA and no way going to play in the desert the price would not be restrictive. Having said that no I would not overpay for his services. I think he would fit the team structure and would not **** any existing center. Roll the 4 of them in no particular order.
His price I thought we be far cheaper than a young RHD ...... and provide some interesting qualities that could help this current team. Not sure folks are salivating over HAnzal ..... Yotes have done a hell of lot of losing with him so not sure why the price would be prohibitive. AHL prospect and a mid late round pick + Lindberg or something like that .... do not think teams will ante up
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TSN's trade bait list:
http://www.tsn.ca/tsn-hockey-s-trade-bait-list-1.203546



Pretty sad looking list of D in that list





My thoughts to. The Rangers are going to have to dig a bit but some teams are facing the prospect of losing guys or letting RFA's walk this summer to to gear up for next year, let alone the expansion draft. Tampa for example is well known as being in a cap crunch with some notables to be signed for next season. Brayden Coburn is rumoured available and Tampa possibly having to sweeten things to move him. Gordon's done a nice job and has some cap room to take on that type of deal. This is the first year in a long time the Rangers are not rumoured to be acquiring a Nash, St. Louis or Yandle. I'm very curious to see what Gorton does. In his short tenure I think he's done a very credible job. Help is out there for the defense, it's a matter of digging and finding it. All you have to do is remember the defensive scrubs Jim Rutherford acquired prior to last seasons playoffs.



Agree the De list looks weak, but if Brayden Coburn is the reach, it more of a retch. Watched him in Philly enough to say no, no never for the Rangers.
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Posted 2017-02-21 3:52 PM (#667297 - in reply to #667294)
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Fish - 2017-02-21 9:35 AM

concust - 2017-02-20 6:35 AM

TSN's trade bait list:
http://www.tsn.ca/tsn-hockey-s-trade-bait-list-1.203546



Pretty sad looking list of D in that list





My thoughts to. The Rangers are going to have to dig a bit but some teams are facing the prospect of losing guys or letting RFA's walk this summer to to gear up for next year, let alone the expansion draft. Tampa for example is well known as being in a cap crunch with some notables to be signed for next season. Brayden Coburn is rumoured available and Tampa possibly having to sweeten things to move him. Gordon's done a nice job and has some cap room to take on that type of deal. This is the first year in a long time the Rangers are not rumoured to be acquiring a Nash, St. Louis or Yandle. I'm very curious to see what Gorton does. In his short tenure I think he's done a very credible job. Help is out there for the defense, it's a matter of digging and finding it. All you have to do is remember the defensive scrubs Jim Rutherford acquired prior to last seasons playoffs.



Agree the De list looks weak, but if Brayden Coburn is the reach, it more of a retch. Watched him in Philly enough to say no, no never for the Rangers.

Agreed....Coburn is not an upgrade.
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Posted 2017-02-22 7:56 AM (#667319 - in reply to #666923)
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My position is, if you can get someone who can be an upgrade and also fits into the long-term plan for the team (assuming there is one ) then fine.

Otherwise if you're just going shopping to go shopping and "make a splash", it's not worth anything to get a rental like a Coburn or a Wideman or even a Franson. Or Hanzal, etc.

Only other factor to me is positioning for the expansion draft. Depending on who they want to protect it would be good to sell an asset and get something of value, in order to not lose something less valuable. But none of us has any idea what the protect list is going to look like. I bet even management doesn't at this point.
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Greg Pateryn is available. Cheap, youngish blueline depth you could get for a mid-round pick. Doubt Montreal would send him here though.

Also he's not a "smurf" so he gets the PV seal of approval.
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The point with Coburn is Tampa or any other team will likely have to add to the trade to move a player like him. Tampa has huge cap implications to sort out. Gorton has some cap room. He can now make that sort of trade. As far as Coburn goes he plays 16-17 minutes a night for Tampa. He has size and some mean, none of the present Rangers Dmen do. An upgrade happens when you take your worst player off and add someone better. Bradyn Coburn is better than Clendening, Klein, and certainly no less than Girardi. He is a upgrade. He also brings some badly needed size and grit on the P.K. for the playoffs. He'd be very effective as a third pair stay at home, keep it clean in front of the net defender. And if there was to much net crashing he'd take care of that. Ask Brian Boyle.
If the Rangers have any ambition in the playoffs they need at least two more defensemen that can play. Injuries are unavoidable, after Clendening who the coach has no faith in and a question mark in Graves the Rangers have nothing. As I mentioned Gorton needs to follow Rutherfords cue last year and find low price fill ins like Pitt did.

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The point with Coburn is Tampa or any other team will likely have to add to the trade to move a player like him. Tampa has huge cap implications to sort out. Gorton has some cap room. He can now make that sort of trade. As far as Coburn goes he plays 16-17 minutes a night for Tampa. He has size and some mean, none of the present Rangers Dmen do. An upgrade happens when you take your worst player off and add someone better. Bradyn Coburn is better than Clendening, Klein, and certainly no less than Girardi. He is a upgrade. He also brings some badly needed size and grit on the P.K. for the playoffs. He'd be very effective as a third pair stay at home, keep it clean in front of the net defender. And if there was to much net crashing he'd take care of that. Ask Brian Boyle.
If the Rangers have any ambition in the playoffs they need at least two more defensemen that can play. Injuries are unavoidable, after Clendening who the coach has no faith in and a question mark in Graves the Rangers have nothing. As I mentioned Gorton needs to follow Rutherfords cue last year and find low price fill ins like Pitt did.


I stick by my word on Coburn - no, no, never.

He's not an upgrade on Klein or Girardi, as hard as that may seem. And regarding physical, he's one of those d-men that will hit you after the puck is in the net. PASS...

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I think Coburn is a slight upgrade at this point vs Klein and Girardi, however not so much that it makes sense to acquire him at $3.7m and 2+ more years.

Plus you then run into the issue of, will AV actually use his defensemen correctly or is Girardi going to remain paired with McDonagh on the top pair? If you trade for a Coburn and AV plays him 12 minutes a night while Girardi gets 25, what's the point.

I'm fine with adding depth for the playoffs but it shouldn't cost much in assets or money, since it's more as an insurance policy than as a defensive upgrade. Highly doubtful we actually improve our defense for the playoffs, we'll probably just add more mediocrity.
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I think Coburn is a slight upgrade at this point vs Klein and Girardi, however not so much that it makes sense to acquire him at $3.7m and 2+ more years.

Plus you then run into the issue of, will AV actually use his defensemen correctly or is Girardi going to remain paired with McDonagh on the top pair? If you trade for a Coburn and AV plays him 12 minutes a night while Girardi gets 25, what's the point.

I'm fine with adding depth for the playoffs but it shouldn't cost much in assets or money, since it's more as an insurance policy than as a defensive upgrade. Highly doubtful we actually improve our defense for the playoffs, we'll probably just add more mediocrity.




Coburn is just a example, but I also think he is a upgrade over some. No matter who they acquire, the expansion draft and the cap going down the road is of prime importance. I guess whether a Coburn type contract is feasible depends on other moves, and on this summers draft. Is Girardi agreeable to being exposed in the expansion draft and taken. And that's not happening. Or Girardi gets bought out, that is feasible and a Coburn type acquisition fills his boots with a little more tolerable contract. This type of deal might free up some cap for a Shattenkirk type acquisition this summer. You also have Girardi and Coburn for this seasons playoffs. And again since a team might be doing Tampa a favour it could be as simple as a Puemple for Coburn type of deal.
As far as coach utilizing someone properly I feel you pessimism, look no further than the ridiculous ineffective use of Eric Staal last season. A GM can give his coach horses, but ultimately the GM must decide if they are being used properly. I don't care for his use of some players, some benchings, and blatant favouritisms, but it's hard to argue his record.
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If you want a defenseman that not even the Flyers wanted, by all means get Coburn. OR you could go after more of their junk in Del Zotto and Streit. Frankly, there is little to choose from on TSN's trade bait list, even depth. Might as well go to Swiss League and get Diaz.

BTW, almost all the defensemen on the list are rated inconsistent with defensive flaws.
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This would not be a as far out there as it sounds

http://fulltiltnyr.com/california-dreaming-how-dealing-nash-to-anah...
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If you want a defenseman that not even the Flyers wanted, by all means get Coburn. OR you could go after more of their junk in Del Zotto and Streit. Frankly, there is little to choose from on TSN's trade bait list, even depth. Might as well go to Swiss League and get Diaz.

BTW, almost all the defensemen on the list are rated inconsistent with defensive flaws.




Absolutely brilliant post. The flyers didn't want Coburn so they traded him. It had nothing to do with getting Gudas, they just didn't want Coburn because he's junk. Tampa must be really stupid because they are playing Flyers junk. Steve Yzerman, best young G.M. in the game playing Flyers junk 17 minutes a game.

You say Diaz over Coburn. Diaz, a guy who can't play in the NHL because NO ONE wants him, except A.V., because he flies around in a no hit practice, is a better pickup than Coburn. You really need to watch some games. But you will need a T.V. satellite feed to watch Diaz in Europe. Streit and even Del Zotto are better than Diaz. And Diaz couldn't carry Coburns sticks.



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We're arguing 7th defensemen now? ok cool
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No 7 defenseman argument here. Just laughable Diaz is a better pickup than Coburn.
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mpcelo45 - 2017-02-23 9:03 AM

This would not be a as far out there as it sounds

http://fulltiltnyr.com/california-dreaming-how-dealing-nash-to-anah...


I saw that and it's well reasoned, but I'm not getting my hopes up. The other issue is, that Nash is going to end up between 20-25 goals this year, and while that's underperforming vs his salary, his offense does not occur in a vacuum. You can't just subtract a player and lose only that production, like you would in rotisserie hockey. You lose a top 6 forward, it will impact the other top 6 forwards as well, and then after an injury to another player, your offense all of a sudden is very ordinary.

That's not to say I would not make these proposed deals, it's just hardly as simple as simple subtraction. Rick Nash is a guy who is somehow simultaneously overpaid, and, undervalued.

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Hainsey to Penguins for Kristo and a second.
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Hainsey to Penguins for Kristo and a second.

overpayment by the Pens
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mpcelo45 - 2017-02-23 9:03 AM

This would not be a as far out there as it sounds

http://fulltiltnyr.com/california-dreaming-how-dealing-nash-to-anah...


I saw that and it's well reasoned, but I'm not getting my hopes up. The other issue is, that Nash is going to end up between 20-25 goals this year, and while that's underperforming vs his salary, his offense does not occur in a vacuum. You can't just subtract a player and lose only that production, like you would in rotisserie hockey. You lose a top 6 forward, it will impact the other top 6 forwards as well, and then after an injury to another player, your offense all of a sudden is very ordinary.

That's not to say I would not make these proposed deals, it's just hardly as simple as simple subtraction. Rick Nash is a guy who is somehow simultaneously overpaid, and, undervalued.


Agree with much of what you said....but another puck moving defenseman also changes the dynamic as well. Subtracting Nash hurts the offense as it stands now (and his defensive play would be extremely missed)....but a puck moving defenseman has the potential to open up the offense more, thus creating more opportunities. A potential acquisition might create those goals you miss from Nash, while also solving the bigger issue - defenseman.
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Hainsey to Penguins for Kristo and a second.

Carolina retained 50% of Hainsey's $$
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concust - 2017-02-23 11:36 AM

mpcelo45 - 2017-02-23 9:03 AM

This would not be a as far out there as it sounds

http://fulltiltnyr.com/california-dreaming-how-dealing-nash-to-anah...


I saw that and it's well reasoned, but I'm not getting my hopes up. The other issue is, that Nash is going to end up between 20-25 goals this year, and while that's underperforming vs his salary, his offense does not occur in a vacuum. You can't just subtract a player and lose only that production, like you would in rotisserie hockey. You lose a top 6 forward, it will impact the other top 6 forwards as well, and then after an injury to another player, your offense all of a sudden is very ordinary.

That's not to say I would not make these proposed deals, it's just hardly as simple as simple subtraction. Rick Nash is a guy who is somehow simultaneously overpaid, and, undervalued.



Agree with much of what you said....but another puck moving defenseman also changes the dynamic as well. Subtracting Nash hurts the offense as it stands now (and his defensive play would be extremely missed)....but a puck moving defenseman has the potential to open up the offense more, thus creating more opportunities. A potential acquisition might create those goals you miss from Nash, while also solving the bigger issue - defenseman.


Took the words out of my mouth. I really turned the corner on Nash this season and his overall two way game has really changed the look of whatever line he is on. He is very responsible defensively and can really turn it on offensively when needed.

But this team has sorely missed the puck moving d-man since Leetch was traded away, not saying that any one of those guys in Anaheim is Leetch but their style can change game play.


We shall see i am not a proponent of trading for Shattenkirk unless it is a Gomez for McD type deal and think that we should wait until the offseason to attempt to acquire him via free agency and hold onto our chips. Also we can see at that point as well what the asking price will be for Trouba.
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I wonder if

Nash/Klein for Shattenkirk/Upshall could happen... retain some Nash salary.
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I wonder if

Nash/Klein for Shattenkirk/Upshall could happen... retain some Nash salary.

I'm not thinking we are trading for Shatt....
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I don't see a deal for Shattenkirk unless it's an offer the Blues can't refuse... and at that point it would be a bad deal for us. Nash isn't going to do it. Nash/Klein wouldn't do it either.

Remember how much we had to pay for Yandle... top prospect, NHL defenseman, a first and a second. That was a heavy price to pay then, and I don't think the blues would be looking for less of a return for Shattenkirk.
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Mandar - 2017-02-23 5:02 PM

robstones - 2017-02-23 4:59 PM

I wonder if

Nash/Klein for Shattenkirk/Upshall could happen... retain some Nash salary.

I'm not thinking we are trading for Shatt....


Yeah, the rumor guys just constantly bring it up as a possibility.

They must be talking. St. Louis isn't or shouldn't lose him for nothing.

Nash and Klein keep St. Louis a top team in the West. Klein is a good defenseman, so their defense stays good... and the offensive production they lost from the back end, is compensated for by Nash up front.

They both have term on their contracts, so they both can be flipped at the draft for prospects, or at least potentially.

Rangers get a top offensive defenseman in the league in Shattenkirik, and a guy like Scottie Upshall would add veteran experience, toughness, and grit to the fourth line. He also kills penalties, so the loss of Nash in that department is compensated for.

In the end, I think it makes both teams better now, and in the future.
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If you want a defenseman that not even the Flyers wanted, by all means get Coburn. OR you could go after more of their junk in Del Zotto and Streit. Frankly, there is little to choose from on TSN's trade bait list, even depth. Might as well go to Swiss League and get Diaz.

BTW, almost all the defensemen on the list are rated inconsistent with defensive flaws.




Absolutely brilliant post. The flyers didn't want Coburn so they traded him. It had nothing to do with getting Gudas, they just didn't want Coburn because he's junk. Tampa must be really stupid because they are playing Flyers junk. Steve Yzerman, best young G.M. in the game playing Flyers junk 17 minutes a game.

You say Diaz over Coburn. Diaz, a guy who can't play in the NHL because NO ONE wants him, except A.V., because he flies around in a no hit practice, is a better pickup than Coburn. You really need to watch some games. But you will need a T.V. satellite feed to watch Diaz in Europe. Streit and even Del Zotto are better than Diaz. And Diaz couldn't carry Coburns sticks.





I didn't think it was necessary to put /s after Diaz. Obviously, I was wrong.
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Spector and hockeybuzz (not eklund) both report that Shattenkirk was almost traded to Tampa, but the deal didn't go through because Shattenkirk refused to negotiate a sign and trade. A deal reportly worth 7 million a year...

He refused a similar deal with Edmonton.

He wants to come to The Rangers, though, that we know. If he decides that Boston and New York are the only two teams he's willing to go to, then St. Louis' asking price must come down.

You can get the 1st rounder+top prospect+serviceable NHLer for Shatt if he was guarenteed to sign with the new team, but as a rental, St. Louis isn't going to get that.

So, Rangers are the favorite. When a player makes it known that he wants to be a Ranger, New York generally makes it happen.

The problem is, The Rangers don't have the picks and prospects to give.

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Deal was reportedly 7 years / $42m, so $6m per year.

You can get the 1st rounder+top prospect+serviceable NHLer for Shatt if he was guarenteed to sign with the new team, but as a rental, St. Louis isn't going to get that.


You have to wonder what that Tampa offer was. NHL defenseman, plus a young forward (Palat, Johnson?) and Bishop going back to St Louis? Yeah if Shattenkirk won't sign the Blues are not going to get much for him. At which point, they may as well just keep him for the playoff run. Shattenkirk therefore holds all the cards at this point.

Still, even if he were to give us a "hometown discount", 7 years is much too long a contract for my liking. I'd actually rather pay him more money for less years if that were an option.

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Deal was reportedly 7 years / $42m, so $6m per year.

You can get the 1st rounder+top prospect+serviceable NHLer for Shatt if he was guarenteed to sign with the new team, but as a rental, St. Louis isn't going to get that.


You have to wonder what that Tampa offer was. NHL defenseman, plus a young forward (Palat, Johnson?) and Bishop going back to St Louis? Yeah if Shattenkirk won't sign the Blues are not going to get much for him. At which point, they may as well just keep him for the playoff run. Shattenkirk therefore holds all the cards at this point.

Still, even if he were to give us a "hometown discount", 7 years is much too long a contract for my liking. I'd actually rather pay him more money for less years if that were an option.



St. Louis doesn't necessarily have to hold on to him, they just may rethink their asking price. I don't think they want to lose him for nothing. It's all a matter of how confident their GM is that his team can win this year. Right now, The Islanders have more points than St. Louis..... They'll make the playoffs, but they're not getting past Minesota or Chicago

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Oh yes they'll rethink their asking price if he's only going to be a rental. They'll get a lot less obviously but only they can decide if it's "enough".

For the sake of argument let's say his rental-only price turns out to be a second and third round pick. At that point if you're STL do you take that, and lose Shattenkirk for your playoff run? It would definitely not only hurt your playoff run, but it would also send a signal to fans, players, media, etc that you're not really making a serious run. And if you're not making a serious run, shouldn't you just sell off a bunch of other assets at the same time? At that point, wouldn't they just keep him?

I think they probably would. I also think Shattenkirk even as rental would fetch a higher price than that. If they can get a First and a third or something like that, it may be enough for St Louis to justify moving him. Less than a first (or a good prospect) and I don't think they bother moving him.
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Which is why something like what I suggested could work. Nash and Klein for Shattenkirik and Upshall.

St. Louis gets an upgrade to their top 6 and a solid veteran defender to still try to make a run. If Nash is at a discount, he is more easily traded.... Klein can be traded by St. Louis too at the draft... So, St. Louis stays competitive now, and get the option to trade for future assets too.

Rangers get McDonagh Shattenkirk as their top D pair for the next handful of years, and add some toughness to round out that 4th line.
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McKenzie reporting Armstrong is looking for a first round pick, a top prospect, plus something else for Shattenkirk. (As a rental, not under contract)

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Dreger speculating the price is too high for NYR, who he says are looking at Brendan Smith instead.

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What do you think of Pirri for Pateryn from Montreal? He's young and inexpensive and a right handed defenseman. He also has a corsi rating of 63.1 a lot higher than any of our defensemen. He's also 6'3 and 226. Maybe he can replace Klein and the Rangers could move Klein in a package for something else.
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concust - 2017-02-24 9:05 AM

Dreger speculating the price is too high for NYR, who he says are looking at Brendan Smith instead.



Well Smith doesn't seem like he'd be worth the price for a player at the trade deadline....2nd pair, left-handed d-man that isn't overly physical
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Updates on the Kevin Shattenkirk situation
12:08PM 2/24/14

2/24/17 | 12:06PM: Elliotte Friedman was on the radio today and talked about the feeling that certain NHL people have that Shattenkirk wants to play for the Rangers and that they are his number one choice this offseason. (Nichols)

He said that Shattenkirk likely turned down a potential contract extension with Tampa Bay because the Rangers are his top choice and the Bruins are his second choice. (Nichols)

10:03AM: Dreger reports that the Rangers have talked with St. Louis about Kevin Shattenkirk but that the price is too high. (TSN 1050)

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Dan Girardi and Kevin Klein are not practicing today
1:17PM 2/24/17

Hmmm, Coincidence ? Maybe ...... Maybe not !

The Rangers have announced that Dan Girardi and Kevin Klein are not practicing today and that both have been given maintenance days. (NYR)

Klein missed yesterday's game after tweaking his back during the morning skate.

Last night, Girardi played 18:51, had one shot on goal, 1 shot attempt that was blocked, 2 hits, 1 giveaway and 3 blocked shots.

He played 5:35 in the first, 6:12 in the second and 7:10 in the third.

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Rangerjunkie - 2017-02-24 11:54 AM

What do you think of Pirri for Pateryn from Montreal? He's young and inexpensive and a right handed defenseman. He also has a corsi rating of 63.1 a lot higher than any of our defensemen. He's also 6'3 and 226. Maybe he can replace Klein and the Rangers could move Klein in a package for something else.


I like Pateryn, but he'd be inexpensive insurance. Bottom pair guy, black ace. Don't think he's 1:1 replacing anyone in our lineup, including Girardi or Klein. (realistically)

Not to say he couldn't be more - but he is currently not a consistent, regular, NHL defenseman. He's a hedge against injury.

I wouldn't want to move Pirri to Montreal and then have to face him in the playoffs.
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Fish - 2017-02-24 12:26 PM

concust - 2017-02-24 9:05 AM

Dreger speculating the price is too high for NYR, who he says are looking at Brendan Smith instead.



Well Smith doesn't seem like he'd be worth the price for a player at the trade deadline....2nd pair, left-handed d-man that isn't overly physical


Sounds like exactly what NYR get at the deadline, an asset they don't really need that they don't know what to do with.

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Duchense and or Landeskog....Or do nothing...there's nothing out there
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Mikey Red - 2017-02-24 3:19 PM

Duchense and or Landeskog....Or do nothing...there's nothing out there


makes no sense for us....lineup-wise or $$ wise.
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Posted 2017-02-24 2:11 PM (#667400 - in reply to #666923)
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Dallas Stars trade RW Patrick Eaves to Anaheim for conditional second-round pick in 2017.
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Posted 2017-02-24 2:31 PM (#667401 - in reply to #667399)
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Mikey Red - 2017-02-24 3:19 PM

Duchense and or Landeskog....Or do nothing...there's nothing out there


makes no sense for us....lineup-wise or $$ wise.


I would explore it and send Stepan and Zib outta here in a heartbeat
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Posted 2017-02-24 2:33 PM (#667402 - in reply to #666923)
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Stepan, Zib, Pirri, Buch and Sherskin for Duchense and Landeskog..........Without blinking
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Posted 2017-02-24 2:44 PM (#667403 - in reply to #666923)
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The fact that Patrick Eaves to Anaheim is "breaking news" on NHL is comical
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Posted 2017-02-24 7:10 PM (#667404 - in reply to #666923)
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Jurco to Chicago for a 3rd round pick?

Eklund says Brendan Smith from Detroit is headed our way

Only othee thing in the rumor mill is Shattenkirk.... the asking price is reportedly

1st round pick
Young nhl defenseman
and a prospect

Makes me wonder if Brady Skjei for Shattenkirk with add ons is a possibility


McDonagh Shattenkirk
Holden Girardi
Staal Klein


IS pretty solid looking... tempting depending on how much more past Skjei it would take

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Posted 2017-02-24 7:24 PM (#667405 - in reply to #667404)
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Jurco to Chicago for a 3rd round pick?

Eklund says Brendan Smith from Detroit is headed our way

Only othee thing in the rumor mill is Shattenkirk.... the asking price is reportedly

1st round pick
Young nhl defenseman
and a prospect

Makes me wonder if Brady Skjei for Shattenkirk with add ons is a possibility


McDonagh Shattenkirk
Holden Girardi
Staal Klein


IS pretty solid looking... tempting depending on how much more past Skjei it would take


Absolutely no way on Earth the Rangers should even think about it....When you can get him for free July 1....This team cannot afford to deal draft picks any longer
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Posted 2017-02-24 8:04 PM (#667406 - in reply to #667405)
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robstones - 2017-02-24 7:10 PM

Jurco to Chicago for a 3rd round pick?

Eklund says Brendan Smith from Detroit is headed our way

Only othee thing in the rumor mill is Shattenkirk.... the asking price is reportedly

1st round pick
Young nhl defenseman
and a prospect

Makes me wonder if Brady Skjei for Shattenkirk with add ons is a possibility


McDonagh Shattenkirk
Holden Girardi
Staal Klein


IS pretty solid looking... tempting depending on how much more past Skjei it would take


Absolutely no way on Earth the Rangers should even think about it....When you can get him for free July 1....This team cannot afford to deal draft picks any longer


And then Boston trades for him instead.... The Rangers can get him for free in July, only if he makes it to free agency.
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Posted 2017-02-24 8:13 PM (#667407 - in reply to #667406)
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Im 1000% fine with that...We dont need him or his 7 mil per either.....Keith Yandle all over again...I def dont want to give Skjei up and draft picks is a non starter....It is well known the the Rangers have among the worst prospect pools in the NHL
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Posted 2017-02-24 8:25 PM (#667409 - in reply to #666923)
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Go for the Colorado boys or do nothing.....no more Ryan Callahan and 2 #1's for an artifact....or Keith Yandle deals...Mike Ridley and Kelly Miller for Bobby Carpenter....Giving away Doug Weight, Tony Amonte, Todd Marchant, Mattias Nordstrom...the list goes on. Its time to dedicate building the future through the draft.
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Posted 2017-02-25 6:57 AM (#667410 - in reply to #667409)
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I think maybe it's underestimated what exactly Kevin Shattenkirk brings to the table. We're talking about top 5 offensive defenseman in the league. He has pretty good size, and strength. He's by no means a crease clearer, but he plays with a bit of an edge. 7 of his 11 goals this season have come on the power play, only Shea Weber has more. Only Victor Hedman has more power play points.

It goes
Brent Burns
Erik Karlsson
Victor Hedman
Kevin Shattenkirk
Duncan Keith

As you top 5 scoring defensemen this year in the league.

If we're talking about a 7 year contract, yes that takes him to 35 years old.... Ducan Keith is 33, and still scoring same as he ever was. Maybe we'll be worried about the deal 5 years from now, but there are ways to get out of it down the line.

Till then, The Rangers would be sporting 2 of the top American born defenders in the league till at least the rest of McDonaghs contract. In their prime.

But then you look at what you have right now. Your shot at winning a Stanley Cup this year. What's missing? A little more physicality would be nice.... maybe they can add that in another deal.... but the power play needs help. Maybe it's Arniels fault, but Shattenkirk would be adding one of the top power play offensive defensmen in the league. A right handed shot on the point. That would change the landscape of both units.

The Rangers have one of the better PKs in the league. Tied for 3rd best goal differential in the league. And 5th place in the NHL leading up to the deadline. An improved power play makes this team that much better. It makes them a true contender.

They owe it to Lundqvist to go for it. And Lundqvist will be hungry to win.

St. Louis isn't going to lose Shattenkirk for nothing. And The Rangers are becoming their only choice, with Shattenkirk holding the cards as to where he wants to be.

That said, the asking price for Shattenkirk is deservedly high. The Rangers are going to have to give up assets, but in the end, he makes this team better
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Posted 2017-02-25 7:37 AM (#667411 - in reply to #666923)
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All that said, I'd still rather have Trouba
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I agree... I would explore Trouba vs Shattenkirk...He's going to be expensive too and we dont have many young D men to send back
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Posted 2017-02-25 7:54 AM (#667413 - in reply to #667412)
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Posted 2017-02-25 8:14 AM (#667414 - in reply to #667411)
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robstones - 2017-02-25 9:37 AM

All that said, I'd still rather have Trouba

Ekblad is gonna get jealous.
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Posted 2017-02-25 8:37 AM (#667415 - in reply to #666923)
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Florida has gotten its act together possibly...I doubt they will give us Ekblad lol. Callahan and Yandle trades cost us 3 #1 draft picks...and we have nothing to show for those trades....Luckily Duclair is in the minors so we arent completely getting our ass kicked on that trade...This is the where management has gotten us to today...So what do we do? Chicago wins the cup every other year and then dismantles the team....We just dismantle our teams and win nothing...Draft Draft Draft add a piece here n there...2014 Finals I wish we had Callahan, Duby and Artie on that team
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Posted 2017-02-25 9:35 AM (#667416 - in reply to #666923)
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Interesting article about Shattenkirk and his "news article" defensive deficiencies. Matheson has a pretty good reputation, and its a good read.

http://www.edmontonsun.com/2017/02/24/edmonton-oilers-had-looked-at...
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Posted 2017-02-25 9:40 AM (#667417 - in reply to #666923)
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No way Im interested...7 mil per...and an albatross contract that would come with him...along with parting with assets...Wade Redden, Keith Yandle all over again
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Posted 2017-02-25 9:58 AM (#667418 - in reply to #666923)
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We got out of the Wade Redden contract, and bought two draft picks with Yandle..... Duclair doesn't even play anymore.....
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Posted 2017-02-25 7:04 PM (#667466 - in reply to #666923)
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Not long time ago people here were upset when I have suggested a Yandle trade before he left for nothing.Now a rental guy from STL for everything that we have left with for the future.Skjel,Miller are our future.
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Scouts at Montreal/Toronto game tonight..... Matt Martin would be sweet for that 4th line
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Posted 2017-02-26 9:48 AM (#667468 - in reply to #667467)
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From Brooksie today.....The Rangers have gone big at each of the past four deadlines, trading three first-rounders, four second-rounders, a world-class sniper (Marian Gaborik), a captain on an expiring contract (Ryan Callahan) and two prospects (Anthony Duclair and Aleksi Saarela) for Derick Brassard, Derek Dorsett, Ryane Clowe, Marty St. Louis, Keith Yandle and Eric Staal. (John Moore came and went in separate transactions.)

Clendening brings some offense but he is scary defensively
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Posted 2017-02-26 4:36 PM (#667491 - in reply to #666923)
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Bishop to L A

Hearing if deal gets done, Kings get Ben Bishop and pick and TB Lightning would receive Erik Cernak, Budaj and pick #TSN From Aaron Ward.
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Kings get Bishop and a pick

Tampa gets Budaj, Cernak, and a pick
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Posted 2017-02-26 5:16 PM (#667515 - in reply to #666923)
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Hansel to minny



The Arizona Coyotes have traded F Martin Hanzal, F Ryan White and a 2017 4th round pick to the Minnesota Wild for a 2017 1st round pick, 2018 2nd round pick and 2019 conditional pick.

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Posted 2017-02-27 6:58 AM (#667538 - in reply to #667404)
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Makes me wonder if Brady Skjei for Shattenkirk with add ons is a possibility

McDonagh Shattenkirk
Holden Girardi
Staal Klein

IS pretty solid looking... tempting depending on how much more past Skjei it would take


Are you insane? Holden, Girardi, Staal, Klein as 2/3 of your defense? The only way that would work is if McDonagh/Shattenkirk play 35 min a night.
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Posted 2017-02-27 7:49 AM (#667539 - in reply to #666923)
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I sincerely hope Shattenkirk gets traded quickly so people can put down the pipes and come back to reality.

Rangers would be stupid to make yet another rental deal. And I wouldn't count on signing him in the off season either -- giving him 7 years for $7M per is asinine (that's the rumored going rate, not my numbers).



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Posted 2017-02-27 8:04 AM (#667540 - in reply to #666923)
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"New York Rangers: If it only costs you a first and JT Miller to get Kevin Shattenkirk, that’s a trade you make every time."
-Ryan Lambert

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/what-we-learned-st-louis-blues-bungle-...


I think they would be crazy to trade away Miller and first for Shattenkirk. I wouldn't even make that deal straight up. He's 23 and leading the team in scoring. As good as Shattenkirk is, the back half of a long term deal at his age, is going to be iffy. No way I trade Miller AND a first.
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Posted 2017-02-27 8:06 AM (#667541 - in reply to #666923)
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Skjei's game at this point in time has the potential to possibly pass Shattenkirk's overall game, in 2 years Skjei very well could be the better all round player. It would be a terrible move to include Skjei in a trade for Shattenkirk.
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Mjolnir - 2017-02-27 7:49 AM

I sincerely hope Shattenkirk gets traded quickly so people can put down the pipes and come back to reality.

Rangers would be stupid to make yet another rental deal. And I wouldn't count on signing him in the off season either -- giving him 7 years for $7M per is asinine (that's the rumored going rate, not my numbers).



100% agree...We dont need him
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"New York Rangers: If it only costs you a first and JT Miller to get Kevin Shattenkirk, that’s a trade you make every time."
-Ryan Lambert

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/what-we-learned-st-louis-blues-bungle-...


I think they would be crazy to trade away Miller and first for Shattenkirk. I wouldn't even make that deal straight up. He's 23 and leading the team in scoring. As good as Shattenkirk is, the back half of a long term deal at his age, is going to be iffy. No way I trade Miller AND a first.


Gorton should get fired if he does that.
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Posted 2017-02-27 8:51 AM (#667546 - in reply to #667544)
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concust - 2017-02-27 8:04 AM

"New York Rangers: If it only costs you a first and JT Miller to get Kevin Shattenkirk, that’s a trade you make every time."
-Ryan Lambert

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/what-we-learned-st-louis-blues-bungle-...


I think they would be crazy to trade away Miller and first for Shattenkirk. I wouldn't even make that deal straight up. He's 23 and leading the team in scoring. As good as Shattenkirk is, the back half of a long term deal at his age, is going to be iffy. No way I trade Miller AND a first.


Gorton should get fired if he does that.


Lambert is the Yahoo version of Dump. I would bet that he has no idea how JT Miller has played, or anything about his game.

We are not trading for Shatt....but you can bet he will sign here in the off season.
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Posted 2017-02-27 8:58 AM (#667547 - in reply to #666923)
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Miller is completely off the table.
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Posted 2017-02-27 9:22 AM (#667550 - in reply to #667217)
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This month's games against playoff teams:

3 wins, 4 losses so far.

Remaining games against playoff teams before deadline is:

Caps 2/28

No big deals should be made, this team will get past round 1 if they get the crossover series with the Atlantic division winner. Beyond that it doesn't look promising. No reason to mortgage young promising players like Buch or Skjei in a futile attempt to chase a Cup.
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Posted 2017-02-27 9:50 AM (#667551 - in reply to #666923)
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At the present moment I think the odds of the Rangers beating the Pens, Caps or CBJs in a 7 game series are pretty slim. Mainly because I don't think Hank can steal a series for us any longer.

What kind of a trade can better our odds, without screwing with the future? I say screw with trying to win one with Hank, and start looking beyond him.

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Posted 2017-02-27 9:55 AM (#667552 - in reply to #667546)
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Mandar - 2017-02-27 10:51 AM

Mikey Red - 2017-02-27 10:16 AM

concust - 2017-02-27 8:04 AM

"New York Rangers: If it only costs you a first and JT Miller to get Kevin Shattenkirk, that’s a trade you make every time."
-Ryan Lambert

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/what-we-learned-st-louis-blues-bungle-...


I think they would be crazy to trade away Miller and first for Shattenkirk. I wouldn't even make that deal straight up. He's 23 and leading the team in scoring. As good as Shattenkirk is, the back half of a long term deal at his age, is going to be iffy. No way I trade Miller AND a first.


Gorton should get fired if he does that.


Lambert is the Yahoo version of Dump. I would bet that he has no idea how JT Miller has played, or anything about his game.

We are not trading for Shatt....but you can bet he will sign here in the off season.
Sorry...I don't see Gorton signing Shattenkirk to contract similar to the Girardi/Staal mistakes.
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concust - 2017-02-27 10:04 AM

"New York Rangers: If it only costs you a first and JT Miller to get Kevin Shattenkirk, that’s a trade you make every time."
-Ryan Lambert

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/what-we-learned-st-louis-blues-bungle-...


I think they would be crazy to trade away Miller and first for Shattenkirk. I wouldn't even make that deal straight up. He's 23 and leading the team in scoring. As good as Shattenkirk is, the back half of a long term deal at his age, is going to be iffy. No way I trade Miller AND a first.


One has to remember that JT is not on the top of AV's favorite players list...don't even think he's on it. If AV says he has to go, he's gone.
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This team needs more JT's not less...We need to speed, skill, and attitude out there
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Posted 2017-02-27 10:51 AM (#667555 - in reply to #666923)
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Marc Staal is only 30 now and hes almost shot....Cant get into another contract like that with Shatt
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The only similarity between Staal and Shattenkirk are they both play defense. And even that is up for debate.

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Patrick Eaves to the Ducks, for second round pick.

Pretty good deal for a 20+ goal guy.
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Jurco to the Blackhawks for a third round pick, in a rare CHI-DET trade.

Not a typical deadline deal, Jurco has no points and has been very underwhelming. But he's young and has been mishandled in his time with the Wings.

Probably worth about a third round pick, he has great tools if the Hawks get him on track, if he's beyond repair then you've only lost a third, which probably wouldn't have panned out anyway.
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Nothing final, but sounds like Brian Boyle is going to Toronto

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Sens finalizing deal for Alex Burrows which means he's not coming here! Successful trade deadline!
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Jordie Benn for Greg Pateryn, plus swap of picks. Good trade for both teams, Montreal gains a more experienced D for playoffs, Dallas gets a younger guy with some upside.

Jamie Benn gets to have just "Benn" on the back of his jersey again.
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Sens finalizing deal for Alex Burrows which means he's not coming here! Successful trade deadline!
Not yet...there are rumors that Shane Doan is not happy with the trade Yotes made and he could now be on the move......
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I don't think the Rangers are losing any sleep over anyone traded so far. And are probably happy to have Bishop and Boyle gone from Tampa with no immediate help returning to them.

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Shattenkirk to Caps! Hoo-ray!
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Posted 2017-02-27 7:42 PM (#667565 - in reply to #666923)
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Caps paid a 1st round pick a 2nd round pick and a prospect....
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Now we know what corner to dump it in on them
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Time to get Trouba
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Trouba yes...Shatt...no way
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Posted 2017-02-27 10:27 PM (#667572 - in reply to #666923)
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That's good for the Rangers. It will look real bad if Washington doesn't at least make he finals and Washington losing picks is also a good thing. And for nothing after this season because Shattenkirk will sign with the Rangers after the expansion draft.
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Posted 2017-02-28 3:31 AM (#667573 - in reply to #667565)
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Mikey Red - 2017-02-28 3:42 AM

Now go get the Colorado boys!


Yeah, Duchene for Step, + ... and may Landeskog for Zucc, + .... would be great.
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Posted 2017-02-28 6:51 AM (#667574 - in reply to #667570)
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Time to get Trouba


To get Trouba would probably mean giving up JT Miller
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Posted 2017-02-28 7:13 AM (#667575 - in reply to #667574)
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robstones - 2017-02-27 7:55 PM

Time to get Trouba


To get Trouba would probably mean giving up JT Miller


Or Skjei
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Posted 2017-02-28 7:23 AM (#667576 - in reply to #666923)
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Shattenkirk was the only player available who would have made a perceptible difference to the Rangers' playoff run. Having said that, I am not upset that he's gone to Washington, I would not have paid that price for him.

Also glad it happened on the early side of the deadline. This gives the Rangers time to answer a few questions.

1) Barring a surprise blockbuster, there's only really depth talent available out there. That's not enough to win us a Cup, let alone push us into another playoff round. Anyone you get now, i.e. Franson, Smith, even a middle-6 forward, is not a difference maker. I would not give up assets to get anyone at this point.

2) A decision has to be made, in the next 2 days, on Grabner. Is he a core part of this team or not? My feeling is no, and that we should sell high on him. He's a 26 goal, under-30, under contract for another year, and is cheap as dirt. If Hanzal , a third line center, is worth a high first round pick and two seconds, what could we return for Grabner?

You also have to ask yourself if you see Grabner's stint with the Rangers as a building block to a new contract for him, or if he's really here long term. Let's say he stays with NYR and scores, 20 more goals next year. Then he's UFA, 30 years old, probably 50 goals in the past 2 seasons combined, how much is a team going to (over) pay for that? Does NYR want that?

I would be really interested in his value right now. If a team offers us a Hanzal package you have to do it, especially with the expansion draft looming. You don't have to protect draft picks.

3) It's fun to make fun of Ovechkin and the Caps, but he's a great player and deserves a Cup. He plays a hard, power game, will run right over you to get the puck, doesn't whine like crybaby (you know who i'm talking about) and is arguably the best goal scorer of the past 30 years. Was happy for Kessel to have won last year in spite of the team he was on, I have no problem with Russian Machine hoisting the cup. Their window is closing.

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Posted 2017-02-28 7:24 AM (#667577 - in reply to #667575)
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robstones - 2017-02-27 7:55 PM

Time to get Trouba


To get Trouba would probably mean giving up JT Miller


Or Skjei


As reluctant as I would be to do it, I'd sooner give up Miller.
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Posted 2017-02-28 7:33 AM (#667578 - in reply to #667576)
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Crosby or Tavares?
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Posted 2017-02-28 7:37 AM (#667579 - in reply to #666923)
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Blueshirt Banter piece on selling pieces off for assets:

Here is the kicker: Sub in Pavel Buchnevich for Grabner and Adam Clendening for Holden/Klein. Are the Rangers meaningfully worse off for this season? Are they not still an offensively-gifted, Lundqvist-backed team with enough firepower to surprise the Penguins and Capitals? Is the nuance really worth passing on a bounty of draft picks?


http://www.blueshirtbanter.com/2017/2/28/14758678/rangers-should-pr...

Totally agree. Holden/Klein are not difference makers, Grabner is, but it's not like he's 23 and scored 26 goals, he's having a good year and will regress. After the preseason everyone though Pirri would be good for 20 goals but look what happened to him.

I bet between Holden and Klein you can get a second and third, and if Grabner can return a first and a second, that is a HAUL for what are ultimately expendable pieces. Also remember we're probably losing one of them, or Lindberg/Fast, at the expansion draft anyway, so cash in while they still have value.


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Posted 2017-02-28 7:58 AM (#667580 - in reply to #667578)
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Crosby or Tavares?


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Posted 2017-02-28 8:00 AM (#667581 - in reply to #667579)
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Blueshirt Banter piece on selling pieces off for assets:

Here is the kicker: Sub in Pavel Buchnevich for Grabner and Adam Clendening for Holden/Klein. Are the Rangers meaningfully worse off for this season? Are they not still an offensively-gifted, Lundqvist-backed team with enough firepower to surprise the Penguins and Capitals? Is the nuance really worth passing on a bounty of draft picks?


http://www.blueshirtbanter.com/2017/2/28/14758678/rangers-should-pr...

Totally agree. Holden/Klein are not difference makers, Grabner is, but it's not like he's 23 and scored 26 goals, he's having a good year and will regress. After the preseason everyone though Pirri would be good for 20 goals but look what happened to him.

I bet between Holden and Klein you can get a second and third, and if Grabner can return a first and a second, that is a HAUL for what are ultimately expendable pieces. Also remember we're probably losing one of them, or Lindberg/Fast, at the expansion draft anyway, so cash in while they still have value.


by trading for draft picks (in a supposedly bad draft)....and basically giving up players who have gotten them to a point where they have the 5th best record in the NHL, what message are you sending? Giving up on this year? I like Buch, but at this point, no....he cant replace Grabner. And while Clendo has played fine, no.... he cant replace what Klein & Holden have brought to the team this year.

Too many fans get all gaga over draft picks in trades, but I'll take the established players pretty much every time....luxury of knowing what you have versus what you hope to have. This team has a great blend of younger players with the older ones.....somehow having done that without all those picks traded away.
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Posted 2017-02-28 8:05 AM (#667582 - in reply to #666923)
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Blackhawks can be talked into trading some prospects,

https://theathletic.com/41048/2017/02/28/blackhawks-seeking-to-trade...

I had wanted McNeill when the Rangers picked Miller in 2011 but it's clear NYR made the right choice. I think McNeill's window has closed, but Pokka is the one that's intriguing to me. 22 year old RHD, (defensemen develop slower remember), led the Ice Hogs in ice time and points for the past 2 seasons. Hasn't been able to crack the Hawks' lineup, but the Hawk's lineup is pretty not bad! He's clearly right on the cusp of an NHL debut/job, but the organization/timing hasn't been right. Plus he's finnish and finns are awesome.

Would definitely be worth taking a flyer on, a mid-late round pick should do it. The last unheralded AHL defenseman that I wanted the Rangers to pursue was Brendan Dillon. We'd be in a lot better shape on defense if that had actually happened.



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Posted 2017-02-28 8:23 AM (#667583 - in reply to #667581)
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concust - 2017-02-28 9:37 AM

Blueshirt Banter piece on selling pieces off for assets:

Here is the kicker: Sub in Pavel Buchnevich for Grabner and Adam Clendening for Holden/Klein. Are the Rangers meaningfully worse off for this season? Are they not still an offensively-gifted, Lundqvist-backed team with enough firepower to surprise the Penguins and Capitals? Is the nuance really worth passing on a bounty of draft picks?


http://www.blueshirtbanter.com/2017/2/28/14758678/rangers-should-pr...

Totally agree. Holden/Klein are not difference makers, Grabner is, but it's not like he's 23 and scored 26 goals, he's having a good year and will regress. After the preseason everyone though Pirri would be good for 20 goals but look what happened to him.

I bet between Holden and Klein you can get a second and third, and if Grabner can return a first and a second, that is a HAUL for what are ultimately expendable pieces. Also remember we're probably losing one of them, or Lindberg/Fast, at the expansion draft anyway, so cash in while they still have value.


by trading for draft picks (in a supposedly bad draft)....and basically giving up players who have gotten them to a point where they have the 5th best record in the NHL, what message are you sending? Giving up on this year? I like Buch, but at this point, no....he cant replace Grabner. And while Clendo has played fine, no.... he cant replace what Klein & Holden have brought to the team this year.

Too many fans get all gaga over draft picks in trades, but I'll take the established players pretty much every time....luxury of knowing what you have versus what you hope to have. This team has a great blend of younger players with the older ones.....somehow having done that without all those picks traded away.


Buchnevich is a downgrade vs Grabner but Clendening and a depth defensemen you pick up from another team (Smith or whatever), is not going to be a huge downgrade vs Klein/Holden. It's actually less "giving up on this year" as the Blues have already given their fans. We're not winning the Cup, we're not making the ECF this year. Why not sell high on some spare parts and reload for 2018? Plus it puts us in a better position for the expansion draft. We could potentially be losing one of those guys for nothing, you want to minimize the value of the asset you'll lose. Would you rather lose Grabner in the expansion draft, or, trade him away for assets now, and end up losing Brenden Smith or some other depth guy that fits the requirement?

Grabner, Holden, Klein, or not, we're making the playoffs, and by my estimation, we're going to go about as deep into the playoffs whether we have these guys or not, so take what you can get at this point.

Looking back on the Staal trade, we were in a similar situation, strength-wise. Did we need Staal? Did he help? If we hadn't made that trade, would we have gotten swept in the playoffs? Did his presence matter at all to anything, or is it now just another piece of NYR trivia? Wouldn't we be in a much better spot to push for a 2017 Cup if we had 2 second round picks and Saarela to work with also? It was less that the deal itself was bad, it's that it was a bad time for that deal.

I'd rather have a good shot at a 2018 Cup than a mediocre shot at a 2017 Cup and another mediocre shot in 2018, because we keep divesting just enough assets to keep us behind.


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Posted 2017-02-28 8:25 AM (#667584 - in reply to #666923)
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Having said that, if they can get a piece that will help them long-term, and also helps the roster now, (Trouba, Faulk, etc) I would be open to that. Just advocating smart asset management.
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Posted 2017-02-28 8:25 AM (#667585 - in reply to #667582)
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Concust dont sell Tavares short he is bad lol....
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Posted 2017-02-28 9:34 AM (#667590 - in reply to #666923)
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The position we are in with the bodies we have...Yes we need serious D help...but there is none out there to get...other than maybe Trouba and a too steep price tag unless they take Stepan or Zib...and they have nothing in Hartford...If you can get Duchense and or Landeskog for Stepan etc...I think do it...They are young and can be here for a long time....Only because it seems Colorado has to deal them.
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Posted 2017-02-28 9:49 AM (#667591 - in reply to #667579)
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Blueshirt Banter piece on selling pieces off for assets:

Here is the kicker: Sub in Pavel Buchnevich for Grabner and Adam Clendening for Holden/Klein. Are the Rangers meaningfully worse off for this season? Are they not still an offensively-gifted, Lundqvist-backed team with enough firepower to surprise the Penguins and Capitals? Is the nuance really worth passing on a bounty of draft picks?


http://www.blueshirtbanter.com/2017/2/28/14758678/rangers-should-pr...

Totally agree. Holden/Klein are not difference makers, Grabner is, but it's not like he's 23 and scored 26 goals, he's having a good year and will regress. After the preseason everyone though Pirri would be good for 20 goals but look what happened to him.

I bet between Holden and Klein you can get a second and third, and if Grabner can return a first and a second, that is a HAUL for what are ultimately expendable pieces. Also remember we're probably losing one of them, or Lindberg/Fast, at the expansion draft anyway, so cash in while they still have value.








Basically the article says the Rangers should trade Holden, Klein, and Grabner and use the resources acquired to get BETTER players. Every GM in the league wants to trade nothing for something. But the assets acquired for those three are not going to turn into players, making the Rangers any better than they are now. I don't have a problem trading anyone of the three, and a opportunity to sell high on Grabner may be there. If, a rival GM has a Doug Risebrough / Cliff Fletcher Doug Gilmour trade moment, maybe, but trades are subject to a lot of input from staffs and steals are few and far between. When you buy low on Grabner and Holden, like the Rangers did, other GM's are going to recognize that and be reluctant to overpay for a flash in the pan. First round picks are not happening for either one and second round picks might get you a player in 5 years or be used to acquire a Eric Staal and are the Rangers any better with him over Grabner? A couple of seconds for the three of them is hardly a bounty and not much in the way of currency to replace arguably your second best defenseman and a top goal scorer.
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Posted 2017-02-28 12:18 PM (#667618 - in reply to #666923)
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Posted 2017-03-01 4:04 AM (#667728 - in reply to #666923)
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Good read from Gorton interview before the Caps game last night...

•On the market overall, "It's not over. The market in general, if you want a player in this market, generally you are going to overpay and that is the way it is if you look at all the trades.
•How active will you be in the next 24 hours, "like everyone else we are talking, lots of conversations. What will happen, I don't know but right now it's fairly quiet."
•What would you like to do, "get better. I like our team, I think we have a good team. I think we have had a good year. We have a ways to go to get where we want to. If something is out there that will improve us in any area, we will do it."

much more here ...

https://www.sny.tv/rangers/news/what-jeff-gorton-said-about-brendan-...

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Posted 2017-03-01 7:39 AM (#667738 - in reply to #666923)
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[VAN/SJ] Jannik Hansen for Nikolay Goldobin and conditional 4th rounder
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Posted 2017-03-01 7:54 AM (#667740 - in reply to #666923)
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Posted 2017-03-01 9:16 AM (#667745 - in reply to #666923)
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Oduya to Blackhawks for Mark McNeill and a conditional 4th
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Posted 2017-03-01 9:44 AM (#667746 - in reply to #666923)
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Vanek to FLA for a third-rounder.

dylan mcilrath & 3rd round pick going to the Red Wings with Detroit picking up 50% of Vanek's salary

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Posted 2017-03-01 10:13 AM (#667749 - in reply to #666923)
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Canadiens acquire forward Dwight King from the Los Angeles Kings, in return for a conditional 4th round pick in 2018.
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Posted 2017-03-01 10:15 AM (#667750 - in reply to #666923)
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We trade McIlrath for Kampfer and a conditional 7th rounder, when we could've traded him with a conditional 3rd rounder for Vanek
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We trade McIlrath for Kampfer and a conditional 7th rounder, when we could've traded him with a conditional 3rd rounder for Vanek


False equivalency......c'mon Robby, you know better.
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robstones - 2017-03-01 12:15 PM

We trade McIlrath for Kampfer and a conditional 7th rounder, when we could've traded him with a conditional 3rd rounder for Vanek


False equivalency......c'mon Robby, you know better.


OTOH this does make the price we paid for Smith seem rather expensive.
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Posted 2017-03-01 10:33 AM (#667754 - in reply to #666923)
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Mandar - 2017-03-01 11:16 AM

robstones - 2017-03-01 12:15 PM

We trade McIlrath for Kampfer and a conditional 7th rounder, when we could've traded him with a conditional 3rd rounder for Vanek


False equivalency......c'mon Robby, you know better.


OTOH this does make the price we paid for Smith seem rather expensive.

Don't see what this deal has to do with the Smith deal at all....no common elements
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Posted 2017-03-01 10:44 AM (#667758 - in reply to #667755)
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robstones - 2017-03-01 12:15 PM

We trade McIlrath for Kampfer and a conditional 7th rounder, when we could've traded him with a conditional 3rd rounder for Vanek


False equivalency......c'mon Robby, you know better.


OTOH this does make the price we paid for Smith seem rather expensive.

Don't see what this deal has to do with the Smith deal at all....no common elements


I am saying that when you compare what the Red Wings got in return for Vanek and Smith, two pending UFAs on rental trades, either the value of Smith seems to be inflated, or, the cats got a deal for Vanek.

Smith - 2nd round pick, 3rd round pick
Vanek - 3rd round pick, minor league defenseman, +50% salary retained.

Vanek has 38 points in 48 games, is arguably a top 6 forward on the Panthers and could have been a top 6 forward for the NYR as well.

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Posted 2017-03-01 10:55 AM (#667759 - in reply to #667758)
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Mandar - 2017-03-01 11:16 AM

robstones - 2017-03-01 12:15 PM

We trade McIlrath for Kampfer and a conditional 7th rounder, when we could've traded him with a conditional 3rd rounder for Vanek


False equivalency......c'mon Robby, you know better.


OTOH this does make the price we paid for Smith seem rather expensive.

Don't see what this deal has to do with the Smith deal at all....no common elements


I am saying that when you compare what the Red Wings got in return for Vanek and Smith, two pending UFAs on rental trades, either the value of Smith seems to be inflated, or, the cats got a deal for Vanek.

Smith - 2nd round pick, 3rd round pick
Vanek - 3rd round pick, minor league defenseman, +50% salary retained.

Vanek has 38 points in 48 games, is arguably a top 6 forward on the Panthers and could have been a top 6 forward for the NYR as well.


Or....they play different positions, and the market for each was different

Or...Dwight King got a 4th from Montreal for the Kings...makes as much sense to throw that in the mix ("we could have had him for our 4th??...can't believe we didn't do that!!"

Or...those deals were made independently with the Wings getting the best value they could for each

This stupid "or" game can be fun, right?
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Posted 2017-03-01 11:01 AM (#667764 - in reply to #667759)
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Mandar - 2017-03-01 11:16 AM

robstones - 2017-03-01 12:15 PM

We trade McIlrath for Kampfer and a conditional 7th rounder, when we could've traded him with a conditional 3rd rounder for Vanek


False equivalency......c'mon Robby, you know better.


OTOH this does make the price we paid for Smith seem rather expensive.

Don't see what this deal has to do with the Smith deal at all....no common elements


I am saying that when you compare what the Red Wings got in return for Vanek and Smith, two pending UFAs on rental trades, either the value of Smith seems to be inflated, or, the cats got a deal for Vanek.

Smith - 2nd round pick, 3rd round pick
Vanek - 3rd round pick, minor league defenseman, +50% salary retained.

Vanek has 38 points in 48 games, is arguably a top 6 forward on the Panthers and could have been a top 6 forward for the NYR as well.


Or....they play different positions, and the market for each was different

Or...Dwight King got a 4th from Montreal for the Kings...makes as much sense to throw that in the mix ("we could have had him for our 4th??...can't believe we didn't do that!!")

Or...those deals were made independently with the Wings getting the best value they could for each

This stupid "or" game can be fun, right?


All valid points, but, don't think I won't be bookmarking this for when you compare two things in the future.

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Iginla to the Kings for a conditional pick


I'm hearing the condition is, "no backsies"

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robstones - 2017-03-01 12:15 PM

We trade McIlrath for Kampfer and a conditional 7th rounder, when we could've traded him with a conditional 3rd rounder for Vanek


False equivalency......c'mon Robby, you know better.


OTOH this does make the price we paid for Smith seem rather expensive.

Don't see what this deal has to do with the Smith deal at all....no common elements


I am saying that when you compare what the Red Wings got in return for Vanek and Smith, two pending UFAs on rental trades, either the value of Smith seems to be inflated, or, the cats got a deal for Vanek.

Smith - 2nd round pick, 3rd round pick
Vanek - 3rd round pick, minor league defenseman, +50% salary retained.

Vanek has 38 points in 48 games, is arguably a top 6 forward on the Panthers and could have been a top 6 forward for the NYR as well.


Or....they play different positions, and the market for each was different

Or...Dwight King got a 4th from Montreal for the Kings...makes as much sense to throw that in the mix ("we could have had him for our 4th??...can't believe we didn't do that!!"

Or...those deals were made independently with the Wings getting the best value they could for each

This stupid "or" game can be fun, right?


All valid points, but, don't think I won't be bookmarking this for when you compare two things in the future.


I can respect that.
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Posted 2017-03-01 11:08 AM (#667767 - in reply to #667765)
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Iginla to the Kings for a conditional pick


I'm hearing the condition is, "no backsies"


It's a conditional 4th rounder in 2018. Av's also retained 50% of his salary.
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Posted 2017-03-01 12:02 PM (#667774 - in reply to #666923)
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Habs get tougher. Grab Steve Ott for a 6th round pick and Dwight King for a 4th round pick.

Of course, the team that got manhandled last night doesn't seem to be interested in adding players like this for the playoffs.

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[PHI/TB] Streit for Filppula, 4th in 2017 & Cond. 7th in 2017

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[PHI/TB] Streit for Filppula, 4th in 2017 & Cond. 7th in 2017


Now this one I don't get... why does Tampa make that deal? They're basically giving away assets for a old UFA defenseman. Is this a cap deal?
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[PHI/TB] Streit for Filppula, 4th in 2017 & Cond. 7th in 2017


Now this one I don't get... why does Tampa make that deal? They're basically giving away assets for a old UFA defenseman. Is this a cap deal?


Very much so...they clear $5M of cap space next year
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Habs get tougher. Grab Steve Ott for a 6th round pick and Dwight King for a 4th round pick.

Of course, the team that got manhandled last night doesn't seem to be interested in adding players like this for the playoffs.

#FireAV

Great moves
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Mclrath traded again


read the thread
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Posted 2017-03-01 12:59 PM (#667798 - in reply to #666923)
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Pretty quiet deadline overall. Not that I'm complaining.
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Posted 2017-03-01 1:13 PM (#667802 - in reply to #666923)
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Looks like Pittsburgh dealt Fehr to Toronto and then gets Streit from TBL who had just acquired him from PHI for Filpula
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Looks like Pittsburgh dealt Fehr to Toronto and then gets Streit from TBL who had just acquired him from PHI for Filpula


[PIT/TB] Mark Streit for 4th rd pick
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Fish - 2017-03-01 3:13 PM

Looks like Pittsburgh dealt Fehr to Toronto and then gets Streit from TBL who had just acquired him from PHI for Filpula


[PIT/TB] Mark Streit for 4th rd pick


Really? That's brilliant. That means Yzerman just cleared up $5m in cap space by giving up a conditional 7th round pick since the fourth round picks wash out. Plus the Flyers are still on the hook for half of Streit's salary

Absolutely genius. Yzerman wins the day.

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Plus, I just realized, Streit goes to Flyers' rival, Penguins, which they never would have dealt with. Even better!

And the Pens have a roster player that the Flyers are paying half of. That's just too good.
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Drew Stafford goes to the Bruins for a conditional 6th rounder


Good deal for Bruins, I wouldn't have minded him as a playoff rental.

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Fish - 2017-03-01 3:13 PM

Looks like Pittsburgh dealt Fehr to Toronto and then gets Streit from TBL who had just acquired him from PHI for Filpula


[PIT/TB] Mark Streit for 4th rd pick


Really? That's brilliant. That means Yzerman just cleared up $5m in cap space by giving up a conditional 7th round pick since the fourth round picks wash out. Plus the Flyers are still on the hook for half of Streit's salary

Absolutely genius. Yzerman wins the day.



Very true....and Hexy isn't a happy camper with him....win/win
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Drew Stafford goes to the Bruins for a conditional 6th rounder


Good deal for Bruins, I wouldn't have minded him as a playoff rental.


Ranger killer too....just in time to play them tomorrow.
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Posted 2017-03-01 1:53 PM (#667813 - in reply to #666923)
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Hearing that Streit's retained salary is exactly 4.7%... not 50% as previously reported. Oddly specific
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Posted 2017-03-01 2:00 PM (#667816 - in reply to #667813)
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Hearing that Streit's retained salary is exactly 4.7%... not 50% as previously reported. Oddly specific

Pretty convoluted.....

Philly retained 4.7% so the deal with TB could work cap-wise

TB is retaining 50% to make the deal with Pitt

Pitt is paying 45.3% of the $$
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