2017 NHL Offseason Trades & Signings
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Posted 2017-06-15 1:30 PM (#676592)
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I figure we should incorporate this into one thread
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Posted 2017-06-15 1:31 PM (#676593 - in reply to #676592)
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A big one just happened:

The Canadiens acquire Jonathan Drouin + a cond. 6th-round pick (2018) from TBL, in return for M. Sergachev + a cond. 2nd-round pick (2018).
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Posted 2017-06-15 2:13 PM (#676596 - in reply to #676593)
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Mandar - 2017-06-15 3:31 PM

A big one just happened:

The Canadiens acquire Jonathan Drouin + a cond. 6th-round pick (2018) from TBL, in return for M. Sergachev + a cond. 2nd-round pick (2018).


Just saw that... No clue about this Sergachev defenseman, but I guess we'll be hearing that name soon enough if it was enough to land Drouin basically straight up
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Posted 2017-06-15 2:58 PM (#676600 - in reply to #676592)
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Wow, interesting.
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Posted 2017-06-15 3:26 PM (#676603 - in reply to #676592)
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I honestly don't know anything about the D man...,but Drouin absolutely is a 5 tool hockey player
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Posted 2017-06-15 3:45 PM (#676604 - in reply to #676592)
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Thats a shocking trade. Drouin is a gamechanging type player. TB is kinda handcuffed financially with the callahan contract.
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Posted 2017-06-15 5:53 PM (#676605 - in reply to #676592)
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Game changing player? I don't know about that, at least not yet, but he has the potential. He wore out his welcome there. I don't know anything about this player in return, but you would think he has potential.
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Posted 2017-06-15 8:48 PM (#676612 - in reply to #676592)
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I don't think he wore out his welcome, he had a pretty good showing after his year ago' trials. I also think he's going to take a pretty good leap in his game. He's a French kid and he's going to be a fan favourite, and a coaches favourite. He's a hell uva player.
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Posted 2017-06-16 7:38 AM (#676614 - in reply to #676592)
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Sergachev this season played on the same D-corp as Day. Remember seeing that their numbers were similar but the Russian had better offensive numbers but not a large margin.
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Posted 2017-06-16 8:21 PM (#676626 - in reply to #676612)
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Rranger - 2017-06-15 10:48 PM

I don't think he wore out his welcome, he had a pretty good showing after his year ago' trials. I also think he's going to take a pretty good leap in his game. He's a French kid and he's going to be a fan favourite, and a coaches favourite. He's a hell uva player.


Had no doubt Bolts would eventually trade him. Yzerman wasn't happy with the holdout or the comments he made at the time. Sergachev was slated to step into lineup next season (and FINALLY get rid of Markov). Now the Habs will have to trade for a top d-man.
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Posted 2017-06-16 9:47 PM (#676629 - in reply to #676626)
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Mjolnir - 2017-06-16 7:21 PM

Rranger - 2017-06-15 10:48 PM

I don't think he wore out his welcome, he had a pretty good showing after his year ago' trials. I also think he's going to take a pretty good leap in his game. He's a French kid and he's going to be a fan favourite, and a coaches favourite. He's a hell uva player.


Had no doubt Bolts would eventually trade him. Yzerman wasn't happy with the holdout or the comments he made at the time. Sergachev was slated to step into lineup next season (and FINALLY get rid of Markov). Now the Habs will have to trade for a top d-man.





He's a easy guy to move after the sideshow a season ago. But in fairness to Druoin he had a pretty good season this year and to me washed away a lot of the animosity. And it is still a by product of the cap world. But right now Druoin is a more proven commodity. If Sergachev lives up to the hype then the trade ends up helping both teams. I agree Montreal needs some new blood on D, but the scuttlebutt is Gelenchyk is going to be moved.
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Posted 2017-06-16 10:15 PM (#676630 - in reply to #676629)
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I'm just hoping this doesn't turn into another McDonagh type deal. Yzerman waited until the right deal came along. Had he traded him a year ago, he would have gotten pennies on the dollar. The Drouin acquisition definitely makes Galchenyuk expendable.

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Posted 2017-06-16 11:20 PM (#676632 - in reply to #676630)
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Mjolnir - 2017-06-16 9:15 PM

I'm just hoping this doesn't turn into another McDonagh type deal. Yzerman waited until the right deal came along. Had he traded him a year ago, he would have gotten pennies on the dollar. The Drouin acquisition definitely makes Galchenyuk expendable.






I think down the road both teams will be happy. So if Druoin nets this return what's Stepan worth?
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Posted 2017-06-17 4:40 AM (#676633 - in reply to #676632)
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Not as much, I assure you.
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Posted 2017-06-17 9:34 AM (#676641 - in reply to #676633)
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Mjolnir - 2017-06-17 3:40 AM

Not as much, I assure you.



I will be suprised if he gets traded. When the rumours are Arizona is hot to trot and no other teams mentioned it doesn't bode well. He's also a Vigneault favourite.
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Posted 2017-06-17 11:14 AM (#676649 - in reply to #676592)
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There is buzz the teams are going to give LV their #1's to not take their exposed guys...should be interesting...LV might end up with 10 #1's
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Posted 2017-06-17 12:12 PM (#676650 - in reply to #676592)
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Beaulieau to Buffalo for a THIRD ROUND PICK???
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Posted 2017-06-17 12:15 PM (#676651 - in reply to #676649)
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Mikey Red - 2017-06-17 12:14 PM

There is buzz the teams are going to give LV their #1's to not take their exposed guys...should be interesting...LV might end up with 10 #1's


Doubt they'll come away with 10... but 5 is a definite possibility. Still that would mean they have a sh!tty roster team because of the garbage they were left to select, and I would assume they'd use those picks to trade and get some real players.

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Posted 2017-06-17 1:23 PM (#676654 - in reply to #676592)
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Deadline has passed... Drouin the biggest name to be traded, Mike Smith goes to Flames. Rangers didn't make any moves.

Teams submit their protected lists by 5PM today. League expected to publicize those lists at 10AM tomorrow morning.

Rangers cannot trade with anyone except VGK until Thursday morning. That doesn't mean deals can't be worked out in principle though.


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Posted 2017-06-22 10:32 AM (#676832 - in reply to #676592)
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Vegas just traded Trevor Van Reimsdyk to Carolina.


Let's go get Faulk !!!
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Posted 2017-06-22 10:34 AM (#676833 - in reply to #676592)
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Isles get Eberle from the Oil for Strome
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Posted 2017-06-22 10:34 AM (#676834 - in reply to #676592)
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Jordan Eberle to Isles for Ryan Strome
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Posted 2017-06-22 10:37 AM (#676835 - in reply to #676833)
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Mikey Red - 2017-06-22 9:34 AM

Isles get Eberle from the Oil for Strome




Good place for him. Softer than fudge.
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Posted 2017-06-22 10:38 AM (#676836 - in reply to #676592)
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Posted 2017-06-22 11:49 AM (#676839 - in reply to #676592)
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Habs get Shlemko from Vegas for 2019 5th round pick
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Posted 2017-06-22 11:56 AM (#676841 - in reply to #676592)
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It would be nice if We could find our way back into the 2nd and 3rd rounds
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bigJDub - 2017-06-22 12:49 PM

Habs get Shlemko from Vegas for 2019 5th round pick


That's pretty cheap for a decent depth defenseman.
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Posted 2017-06-23 8:57 AM (#676865 - in reply to #676592)
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Welp I'm sensing this is going to be a nothing done til July 1 whiff by Gorton. And then spend ridiculous cash for Shattenkirk and his defensive shortcomings all the while pinning Skjei to the bench for the bulk of most power plays. And then watching double mint play Marc Staal and his boy Nick copiously on the penalty kill, and then Coach being interviewed, and wondering why the PK sucks. This off season is 100% on Gorton and heading into next season it's his team and he and bonehead should be judged accordingly. The opportunity is now, they still have the talent to compete, with the necessary additions.
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Posted 2017-06-23 10:02 AM (#676867 - in reply to #676592)
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Connor Murphy to Chicago
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Posted 2017-06-23 10:21 AM (#676868 - in reply to #676867)
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Mikey Red - 2017-06-23 9:02 AM

Connor Murphy to Chicago




Dumb trade for a welfare rebuilding team. No wonder Tippet left.
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Posted 2017-06-23 10:23 AM (#676869 - in reply to #676868)
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Yep Lol...Now hearing Saad back to Chicago is done
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Mikey Red - 2017-06-23 12:23 PM

Yep Lol...Now hearing Saad back to Chicago is done


For Panarin.... Chicago's dumb, but I guess they're having cap issues
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Mikey Red - 2017-06-23 12:23 PM

Yep Lol...Now hearing Saad back to Chicago is done


For Panarin.... Chicago's dumb, but I guess they're having cap issues

Yep...Kypreos says Kane and Toews contracts are killing the Hawks
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Posted 2017-06-23 11:17 AM (#676884 - in reply to #676592)
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#Blackhawks acquire defensemen Connor Murphy and Laurent Dauphin from the Arizona Coyotes in exchange for defenseman Niklas Hjalmarsson.

Arizona really improving today.........
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Posted 2017-06-23 11:20 AM (#676886 - in reply to #676592)
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[CHI/CBJ] Panarin, Motte, 6th for Saad, Forsberg, 2018 5th


Columbus to be quite scary next year
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Posted 2017-06-23 11:21 AM (#676887 - in reply to #676592)
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Kane and Toews get 10.5 mil each...those are killers
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Posted 2017-06-23 11:21 AM (#676888 - in reply to #676592)
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#mnwild has traded Jordan Schroeder, who wasn't getting QOed, to #cbj for Dante Salituro.
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Posted 2017-06-23 11:23 AM (#676890 - in reply to #676592)
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Hmmm I remember Schroeder being a decent player?
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Mandar - 2017-06-23 7:20 PM

[CHI/CBJ] Panarin, Motte, 6th for Saad, Forsberg, 2018 5th


Columbus to be quite scary next year

Maybe not. Tortorella will wear out his welcome again and...we know how that ends.
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Posted 2017-06-23 2:34 PM (#676914 - in reply to #676592)
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That's a big, interesting trade.
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Posted 2017-06-23 4:06 PM (#676943 - in reply to #676592)
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Oshie reupped with the Craps. Hell of a player would have looked good here.

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Posted 2017-06-23 4:28 PM (#676945 - in reply to #676592)
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Good player but that's a horrible contract ...8 years and he's gonna be 31
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Posted 2017-06-23 4:42 PM (#676950 - in reply to #676592)
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Brutal contract.
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Posted 2017-06-23 8:45 PM (#677034 - in reply to #676592)
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Pittsburgh still values muscle. First rounder wow.

The Pittsburgh Penguins have acquired forward Ryan Reaves and the 51st pick in the 2017 draft from the St. Louis Blues for the 31st pick in the 2017 draft and forward Oskar Sundqvist.

Reaves appeared in 80 games this season for the Blues, contributing seven goals and six assists with 104 penalty minutes. He has spent seven season with the Blues after they selected him 156th overall in the 5th round of the 2005 NHL Draft.
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Pittsburgh still values muscle. First rounder wow.

The Pittsburgh Penguins have acquired forward Ryan Reaves and the 51st pick in the 2017 draft from the St. Louis Blues for the 31st pick in the 2017 draft and forward Oskar Sundqvist.

Reaves appeared in 80 games this season for the Blues, contributing seven goals and six assists with 104 penalty minutes. He has spent seven season with the Blues after they selected him 156th overall in the 5th round of the 2005 NHL Draft.


They play in-your-face hockey. Every player takes the body because they have a coach who demands that even the star players take the body.

I kept waiting for the Caps or the Preds to out-hit or out-muscle them in the playoffs this year. Didn't happen.

Reaves just died and went to heaven. He'll fit in well there.
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Posted 2017-06-24 9:52 AM (#677056 - in reply to #676592)
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Posted 2017-06-24 11:48 AM (#677071 - in reply to #677052)
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PV29 - 2017-06-24 8:34 AM

Rranger - 2017-06-23 10:45 PM

Pittsburgh still values muscle. First rounder wow.

The Pittsburgh Penguins have acquired forward Ryan Reaves and the 51st pick in the 2017 draft from the St. Louis Blues for the 31st pick in the 2017 draft and forward Oskar Sundqvist.

Reaves appeared in 80 games this season for the Blues, contributing seven goals and six assists with 104 penalty minutes. He has spent seven season with the Blues after they selected him 156th overall in the 5th round of the 2005 NHL Draft.


They play in-your-face hockey. Every player takes the body because they have a coach who demands that even the star players take the body.

I kept waiting for the Caps or the Preds to out-hit or out-muscle them in the playoffs this year. Didn't happen.

Reaves just died and went to heaven. He'll fit in well there.



Crosby and Malkin did to, they will like him around, he does his job very well.
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Posted 2017-06-24 12:01 PM (#677072 - in reply to #676592)
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PV29 - 2017-06-24 11:34 AM

Rranger - 2017-06-23 10:45 PM

Pittsburgh still values muscle. First rounder wow.

The Pittsburgh Penguins have acquired forward Ryan Reaves and the 51st pick in the 2017 draft from the St. Louis Blues for the 31st pick in the 2017 draft and forward Oskar Sundqvist.

Reaves appeared in 80 games this season for the Blues, contributing seven goals and six assists with 104 penalty minutes. He has spent seven season with the Blues after they selected him 156th overall in the 5th round of the 2005 NHL Draft.


They play in-your-face hockey. Every player takes the body because they have a coach who demands that even the star players take the body.

I kept waiting for the Caps or the Preds to out-hit or out-muscle them in the playoffs this year. Didn't happen.

Reaves just died and went to heaven. He'll fit in well there.


Amazing isn't it that good old, fundamental hockey wins cups.
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Posted 2017-06-24 3:40 PM (#677079 - in reply to #676592)
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Beukaboom will not be behind the bench this season....He will be in another capacity...Window dressing for Ruff in and Book out
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Posted 2017-06-26 12:56 PM (#677111 - in reply to #676592)
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Considering our center depth and the available options, Thornton on a one year deal isn't that bad. Three years? That's insanity at this point, unless there was some under the table deal to "get injured" and LTIR when needed.

Other UFA options at center,
Sam Gagner, who would be my pick if we had to pick someone,
Bonino, who will be grossly overpaid because of the two cups,
Hanzal, who will be grossly overpaid considering he should be a bottom-6 forward on this Ranger team
Brian Boyle, who I like a lot but again, some team is going to overpay for a bottom-6 player. If you think it's dumb giving your first line center $6.5m, I don't know how you justify giving your fourth line center $3.5m.

I don't know what the Rangers' plan is for the offseason, Gorton admitted he was trying to "rebuild on the fly" but gutting your center depth with no real replacement plan is heading in the wrong direction. Hopefully Nieves can take the fourth line center spot so we're not spending millions on it, and if you can get Gagner on an affordable deal you can rotate him, Hayes, Zibanejad as your 3,2,1.

The out of the box idea would be to sign Leon Draisaitl to an offer sheet of 6x6m. It would require giving up next year's first, second, and third, but for a guy who's basically the next Anze Kopitar, that's a bargain. Of course it'll never happen.


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Posted 2017-06-26 3:00 PM (#677117 - in reply to #676592)
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Rangers letting everyone dead wood-ish walk
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Posted 2017-06-26 10:38 PM (#677122 - in reply to #676592)
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Methot to Dallas for 2nd in 2020 and Ferguson, goalie the Stars just drafted from Kamloops in the 7th round

I think Vegas could have gotten more for Methot.
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Posted 2017-06-27 7:19 AM (#677130 - in reply to #676592)
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I think they could have gotten more also, on the other hand he's a 32 year old defenseman who's lost a step. Not sure why they settled on a second round pick 3 years in the future?

The other possibility is that this completes part of an under-the-table side deal from all the expansion draft shenanigans. Dallas may have been "owed" by the VGK.

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Posted 2017-06-27 7:29 AM (#677131 - in reply to #677130)
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Next few days should be interesting indeed. I am a no on Shattenkirk if he wants a max type deal...Maybe the Rangers can be the team that starts to put an end to the ridiculous Dipietro type contracts that have killed this league over the last 10 years?
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Just as a note, there is another highly touted goalie named, Dipietro, no relation, I don't think. :-)
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Mikey Red - 2017-06-27 7:29 AM

Maybe the Rangers can be the team that starts to put an end to the ridiculous Dipietro type contracts that have killed this league over the last 10 years?


are you talking about the NEW YORK rangers?
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RANGERNUT - 2017-06-27 9:36 AM

Mikey Red - 2017-06-27 7:29 AM

Maybe the Rangers can be the team that starts to put an end to the ridiculous Dipietro type contracts that have killed this league over the last 10 years?


are you talking about the NEW YORK rangers?
TJ Oshie is close to 31...8 year contract with the Caps with a Modified NTC....When he is 35 Cap fans will be saying OMG hes's got 3 more years on the books....Absolutley terrible contract...NHL Network mid day show says Shattenkirk maybe looking for a 7 x 7 contract.....absolutely no way.
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Posted 2017-06-27 12:00 PM (#677145 - in reply to #676592)
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Guy I would like the Rangers to get with close to half retained is Soderberg. Coming of a atrocious year when he had 51 points the year before. He should be absolutely dirt cheap. 3 years left on his contract. Good faceoff guy. If they can get him for half salary and a couple of half-azzzz defenseman prospects, I'd do it. I don't see the stupid Av's having any interest in keeping him. They stink. Might as well go with kids.
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Posted 2017-06-27 12:17 PM (#677146 - in reply to #676592)
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I think Oshie had a career year, no way he can put up those #s every year, good all-around player, but not for that contract.
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Posted 2017-06-27 12:25 PM (#677147 - in reply to #677144)
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Maybe the Rangers can be the team that starts to put an end to the ridiculous Dipietro type contracts that have killed this league over the last 10 years?


are you talking about the NEW YORK rangers?
TJ Oshie is close to 31...8 year contract with the Caps with a Modified NTC....When he is 35 Cap fans will be saying OMG hes's got 3 more years on the books....Absolutley terrible contract...NHL Network mid day show says Shattenkirk maybe looking for a 7 x 7 contract.....absolutely no way.





Staal is 30 and done according to this page. Personally I'm not so sure he couldn't still be a very effective defenseman playing for a coach that adapts his system to suit his defenseman strengths and weaknesses. You know sort of like Pittsburgh. Instead of stubbornly continuing to try to play the same way all the while interchanging players with different skill sets, including some (Girardi, Staal) flat out not suited to play the style.
Now the scuttle is bring in Shattenkirk who will come for no less than 6 years at $6,000,000, and that's the best case for the Rangers it's likely going to be more like 7 years at $7,000,000. Other teams are going to pony up for a right shot power play guy.. He's going to get paid. The only fit I see is he's a right side guy. They still don't beat Ottawa with him in the lineup. He's not a game changer. I don't think the Rangers should be targeting a pp guy anyways. Skjei and McDonagh are fine as QB's. And with DeAngelo in the mix, the Rangers need to tell double mint to use those three and a Zuccarello or whoever to fill the PP pointmen. Coach them, make it work. This changeover crap has been going on since coach got here. At some point in time management has to realize it ain't working after expensive and futile try's with Boyle and Yandle. The problem with the Rangers PP is behind the bench.
All the Rangers have to do is look at the cast of no names Rutherford assembled in Pittsburgh and start looking. Find a Right side defensive dman that can log some minutes with McD, sign Smith, and give DeAngelo his shot, and start the season with that. DeAngelo has the potential to be the Rangers defensive go to guy, he's ready to go, let him buck. Don't f up his development watching Shattenkirk. Save the f'n cap space and pounce, when another teams accounting issues land a young nugget in their lap. Hopefully Gorton isn't going to be running around like a rube at a carnival with this new cap room.
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Posted 2017-06-27 3:29 PM (#677148 - in reply to #676592)
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So, I'll start out by saying I don't want Shattenkirk. At the same time, 6-7 million and 5-7 yrs is the market for a defensemen of his abilities. Look what we gave Girardi; look what we gave Staal. He'll get his money - just hope it doesn't have Dolan's signature on the checks.

Next thought - re D'Angelo, he'll be every bit as good as Shattenkirk is on the PP and has a little feistiness despite his 5'11 190lb frame. I hope he gets used the way he should and not buried at his first mistake as AV is prone to do with his young ones. If I see Staal/Holden at the end of ANY game this year I may just hustle down to the Ranger bench and personally rip AV a new a-hole. Anyway we can throw in Holden into a deal would be a good thing since Staal's not going anywhere.

Final thought - re Staal - I disagree - I don't think he could play in P'burg or anywhere at a high level. With Girardi it may have been the AV system that didn't work for him (or maybe not) but I just feel Staal has never been the same since the eye injury and concussion(s). His vision on the ice is awful including knowing when to and when not to pinch. He's timid heading to the boards on dump-ins in his own end, rarely coming away with the puck. His weak wristers from the point are now not only weak but rarely reach the front of the net where a deflection or puck luck could happen.

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Posted 2017-06-27 4:17 PM (#677150 - in reply to #677148)
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So, I'll start out by saying I don't want Shattenkirk. At the same time, 6-7 million and 5-7 yrs is the market for a defensemen of his abilities. Look what we gave Girardi; look what we gave Staal. He'll get his money - just hope it doesn't have Dolan's signature on the checks.

Next thought - re D'Angelo, he'll be every bit as good as Shattenkirk is on the PP and has a little feistiness despite his 5'11 190lb frame. I hope he gets used the way he should and not buried at his first mistake as AV is prone to do with his young ones. If I see Staal/Holden at the end of ANY game this year I may just hustle down to the Ranger bench and personally rip AV a new a-hole. Anyway we can throw in Holden into a deal would be a good thing since Staal's not going anywhere.

Final thought - re Staal - I disagree - I don't think he could play in P'burg or anywhere at a high level. With Girardi it may have been the AV system that didn't work for him (or maybe not) but I just feel Staal has never been the same since the eye injury and concussion(s). His vision on the ice is awful including knowing when to and when not to pinch. He's timid heading to the boards on dump-ins in his own end, rarely coming away with the puck. His weak wristers from the point are now not only weak but rarely reach the front of the net where a deflection or puck luck could happen.

Random thoughts on a slow off-season day






If your suggesting DeAngelo will be every bit as good as Shattenkirk on the power play this season that might be pretty optimistic. Down the road he definitely has stud potential.
We can agree to disagree on Staal. Staal s biggest problem has been his partner.

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Posted 2017-06-27 4:39 PM (#677151 - in reply to #676592)
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Gorton has got to show us something here...Too many "idiot" label rumblings out there
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Posted 2017-06-27 4:47 PM (#677152 - in reply to #676592)
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Our new Feisty defenseman Deangelo called Phil Esposito and asked for permission to wear 77....Saw it on Steve Zipay feed
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Posted 2017-06-27 6:57 PM (#677156 - in reply to #677078)
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Mjolnir - 2017-06-24 2:39 PM

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Pittsburgh still values muscle. First rounder wow.

The Pittsburgh Penguins have acquired forward Ryan Reaves and the 51st pick in the 2017 draft from the St. Louis Blues for the 31st pick in the 2017 draft and forward Oskar Sundqvist.

Reaves appeared in 80 games this season for the Blues, contributing seven goals and six assists with 104 penalty minutes. He has spent seven season with the Blues after they selected him 156th overall in the 5th round of the 2005 NHL Draft.


They play in-your-face hockey. Every player takes the body because they have a coach who demands that even the star players take the body.

I kept waiting for the Caps or the Preds to out-hit or out-muscle them in the playoffs this year. Didn't happen.

Reaves just died and went to heaven. He'll fit in well there.


Amazing isn't it that good old, fundamental hockey wins cups.

It's only "amazing" to our current coach.
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Posted 2017-06-27 6:59 PM (#677157 - in reply to #677072)
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Mikey Red - 2017-06-24 2:01 PM

Travis Hamonic traded to Calgary for 2018 1st and 2 2nd's

Hamonic had wanted to be traded to western Canada for the past two seasons. Apparently for family reasons. Nice defenseman, but Calgary overpaid.
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Posted 2017-06-27 7:13 PM (#677158 - in reply to #676592)
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Shattenkirk to the Rangers? No. Hell no. **** no.

Saw nothing in the playoffs from him that warrants franchise-player contract terms, which he will ask for. DeAngelo, Skjei and McDonagh can run the PP, so long as someone else coaches the PP. The real need is for size and snarl on the backline, not another offensive minded Dman.
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Posted 2017-06-27 8:06 PM (#677160 - in reply to #676592)
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Yep. Shatt is gonna want 7 x7 too F That. We need a Trouba but I dont know hoe Gorton can get him now.
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Posted 2017-06-27 8:23 PM (#677165 - in reply to #676592)
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I'm not the GM, but let some one else give him that deal.
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Posted 2017-06-27 8:40 PM (#677168 - in reply to #676592)
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NHL Network last 2 days all about the HOF guys...boooooorrrrrrrriiiing
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Posted 2017-06-27 8:47 PM (#677169 - in reply to #676592)
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Posted 2017-06-28 5:58 AM (#677176 - in reply to #676592)
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I have a question, how does Kariya make the HofF? He was a nice player, had a few big seasons. But, the HofF is not for nice solid players, it is for great & elite players, &/or award winners. There are others in there you can question, but how does Karyia make it in is a joke.

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McDavid extension reported to be in the neighborhood of $13m per for 8 years.
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I have a question, how does Kariya make the HofF? He was a nice player, had a few big seasons. But, the HofF is not for nice solid players, it is for great & elite players, &/or award winners. There are others in there you can question, but how does Karyia make it in is a joke.


He was a point-per-game player for almost 1,000 NHL games, most of them in the era of the trap.. How is that not HOF-worthy?
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Posted 2017-06-28 6:54 AM (#677179 - in reply to #677178)
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I have a question, how does Kariya make the HofF? He was a nice player, had a few big seasons. But, the HofF is not for nice solid players, it is for great & elite players, &/or award winners. There are others in there you can question, but how does Karyia make it in is a joke.


He was a point-per-game player for almost 1,000 NHL games, most of them in the era of the trap.. How is that not HOF-worthy?


Because people get stuck on the value of winning Cups. Too often do we judge the individual on the accomplishments of a team.

as mentioned in another thread, Bonino will probably get overpaid because he was on The Penguins....

Adversely, Paul Kariya isn't seen as an elite player, why? He's just a nice player because he never won....
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Posted 2017-06-28 8:25 AM (#677180 - in reply to #677177)
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McDavid extension reported to be in the neighborhood of $13m per for 8 years.

Then if a team has balls....they throw a max offer sheet at Draisaitl...Oil cant pay both
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Posted 2017-06-28 8:51 AM (#677181 - in reply to #677180)
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McDavid extension reported to be in the neighborhood of $13m per for 8 years.

Then if a team has balls....they throw a max offer sheet at Draisaitl...Oil cant pay both





If the Oilers wanted the term they had to pay he piper.
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Posted 2017-06-28 8:56 AM (#677182 - in reply to #676592)
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Yep...Kypreos said the other day this is bad for the Oil... If they sign these 2 guys to similar contracts then they would account for like 25% of the team cap hit
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Posted 2017-06-28 10:26 AM (#677188 - in reply to #677179)
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I have a question, how does Kariya make the HofF? He was a nice player, had a few big seasons. But, the HofF is not for nice solid players, it is for great & elite players, &/or award winners. There are others in there you can question, but how does Karyia make it in is a joke.


He was a point-per-game player for almost 1,000 NHL games, most of them in the era of the trap.. How is that not HOF-worthy?


Because people get stuck on the value of winning Cups. Too often do we judge the individual on the accomplishments of a team.

as mentioned in another thread, Bonino will probably get overpaid because he was on The Penguins....

Adversely, Paul Kariya isn't seen as an elite player, why? He's just a nice player because he never won....


Yeah I know.... in the end it's a team game but there are plenty of great, legendary players that never won a cup, and conversely, there are garbage players that have. It's a poor measure. There are plenty of borderline HoF'ers... there always will be some debate... I think if anyone looks at Kariya's stats though they speak for themselves.

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Posted 2017-06-28 10:30 AM (#677189 - in reply to #677180)
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McDavid extension reported to be in the neighborhood of $13m per for 8 years.

Then if a team has balls....they throw a max offer sheet at Draisaitl...Oil cant pay both


I mentioned that in the other thread as a solution for the Rangers problems at C right now... they'll never do it, no one else will do it either. However I'd be willing to pay a big price to Chiarelli in a trade, since they are going to have a difficult time affording these guys. Similar to the Kane and Toews contracts, or Parise and Suter... these contracts are anchors and will only get worse over time. At least Chicago has some cups to show for paying their guys.
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Posted 2017-06-28 11:41 AM (#677192 - in reply to #676592)
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I think this will likely handcuff the Oilers in the short term, but might alleviate a little as the term continues....still a lot of dollars for a single player...yikes
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concust - 2017-06-28 12:26 PM

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LeetchyMrRanger - 2017-06-28 6:58 AM

I have a question, how does Kariya make the HofF? He was a nice player, had a few big seasons. But, the HofF is not for nice solid players, it is for great & elite players, &/or award winners. There are others in there you can question, but how does Karyia make it in is a joke.


He was a point-per-game player for almost 1,000 NHL games, most of them in the era of the trap.. How is that not HOF-worthy?


Because people get stuck on the value of winning Cups. Too often do we judge the individual on the accomplishments of a team.

as mentioned in another thread, Bonino will probably get overpaid because he was on The Penguins....

Adversely, Paul Kariya isn't seen as an elite player, why? He's just a nice player because he never won....


Yeah I know.... in the end it's a team game but there are plenty of great, legendary players that never won a cup, and conversely, there are garbage players that have. It's a poor measure. There are plenty of borderline HoF'ers... there always will be some debate... I think if anyone looks at Kariya's stats though they speak for themselves.



Yeah, it's the Hall of FAME, not Hall of Champions

Paul Kariya is a name you should probably know as a hockey fan.... he has the fame. Key figure for The Ducks.... I don't know if Perry or Getzlaf have broken any of his records, but I wouldn't be surprised if he still holds some for the franchaise
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Posted 2017-06-28 2:29 PM (#677200 - in reply to #676592)
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Plenty of legends never won, Dionne, for example. A point a game gets you into HofF? I don't see it, I know others have gotten in as well, but not in my opinion. To me even Thorton is border line. St Louis is borderline. Karyia?

That's a LOT of $$$ for this McDavid, but he is scary good, scary good.
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Posted 2017-06-28 2:54 PM (#677202 - in reply to #677193)
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Paul Kariya is a name you should probably know as a hockey fan.... he has the fame. Key figure for The Ducks.... I don't know if Perry or Getzlaf have broken any of his records, but I wouldn't be surprised if he still holds some for the franchaise


Selanne, Kariya, Getzlaf, Perry basically hold all the franchise records for forwards for that franchise. Which isn't too surprising considering the whole franchise barely hit drinking age and those guys played there for 10+years each.

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LeetchyMrRanger - 2017-06-28 3:29 PM

Plenty of legends never won, Dionne, for example. A point a game gets you into HofF? I don't see it, I know others have gotten in as well, but not in my opinion. To me even Thorton is border line. St Louis is borderline. Karyia?



Of course it's not as simple as a point a game = HOF but the rate that Kariya scored, in the trap era, surprises people. Like rob said he was never the best player in the league, but when he played he was always near the top.

I think that if you can say that you were one of the best players in your era (career start to career end) then you should get reasonable consideration for HOF. There aren't, and shouldn't be, hard and fast rules. Chris Osgood is a guy who has this perception of being an average goalie on great teams, but if you look at the stats he was actually one of the best of his time, and one of the most consistently good goalies of all time.

HoF is unfortunately just as much a political vote as it is, how worthy you actually are based on your play.

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Looks like Wild trade Pomminville and Scandella and a 4th to the Sabres for Ennis and Foligno and a 3rd...as per Bob Mackenzie
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Some waivers for the purposes of being bought out have hit the market
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MTL signs Alzner 5 years/$4.5 mil per

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Girardi to TB, Del Zotto to Vancouver.
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Boyle to the Debbies

It will be easier for us.
He is washed up.
I remember when washed up Debbie's players were ending up on our team.
I am so happy that that exodus has ended.
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MTL signs Alzner 5 years/$4.5 mil per

Seems like a crazy contract to me.


They're letting Markov walk so it makes sense.
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Posted 2017-07-01 10:48 AM (#677327 - in reply to #676592)
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Posted 2017-07-01 11:22 AM (#677331 - in reply to #676592)
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Rangers lost Girardi's grit on the backline and have not replaced it yet.

Their 4th line has no bite.

What the **** are they waiting for? This is where you address those concerns with role players and #5's - #6's looking for a fresh start.
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Posted 2017-07-01 11:36 AM (#677333 - in reply to #677331)
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PV29 - 2017-07-01 1:22 PM

Rangers lost Girardi's grit on the backline and have not replaced it yet.

Their 4th line has no bite.

What the **** are they waiting for? This is where you address those concerns with role players and #5's - #6's looking for a fresh start.


Did someone tell them all the Boyles have been signed?
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Posted 2017-07-01 12:26 PM (#677338 - in reply to #676592)
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Posted 2017-07-01 12:29 PM (#677339 - in reply to #676592)
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4 yrs $6.65M per

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Posted 2017-07-01 12:30 PM (#677341 - in reply to #677338)
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Pierre_Pdare - 2017-07-01 2:26 PM

Shattenkirk to the NYR


I'm sick to my stomach!!!

GO HABS!!
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Posted 2017-07-01 12:36 PM (#677345 - in reply to #676592)
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Money and term is ok.... dunno if I am crazy about the player but ... he is now a Ranger so i gotta support him
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Posted 2017-07-01 12:36 PM (#677346 - in reply to #676592)
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Pavelec coming too, I would have signed Ryan Miller as the backup.

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Posted 2017-07-01 12:40 PM (#677349 - in reply to #677345)
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Money and term is ok.... dunno if I am crazy about the player but ... he is now a Ranger so i gotta support him


Your choice....never believed I had to support a player just because he wore the uniform.

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Posted 2017-07-01 12:42 PM (#677351 - in reply to #676592)
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Posted 2017-07-01 12:43 PM (#677352 - in reply to #676592)
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Posted 2017-07-01 12:44 PM (#677353 - in reply to #676592)
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Posted 2017-07-01 12:45 PM (#677356 - in reply to #677353)
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Vrbata to Fla.....1 yr, $2.5M


That's a decent deal for depth scoring.

Oh, Florida? I mean top line scoring.

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What's your biggest concern about Shattenkirk Mj? Money? Term? Style? Age? Effectiveness?


All of the above....like PV, I've seen nothing to warrant this.
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Posted 2017-07-01 1:33 PM (#677366 - in reply to #676592)
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Posted 2017-07-01 2:04 PM (#677375 - in reply to #676592)
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Posted 2017-07-01 2:05 PM (#677376 - in reply to #676592)
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Posted 2017-07-01 2:07 PM (#677377 - in reply to #676592)
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Seems like kind of a slow day compared to the usual July 1st activity. Maybe I am wrong though.


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Posted 2017-07-01 2:08 PM (#677379 - in reply to #677377)
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Shattenkirk NYR - 2017-07-01 4:07 PM

Seems like kind of a slow day compared to the usual July 1st activity. Maybe I am wrong though.



Not as many high profile guys as usual are available
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Posted 2017-07-01 2:13 PM (#677381 - in reply to #676592)
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Good point. That's why it doesn't feel as exciting as usual. We did get the biggest fish available though, so there's that.





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Posted 2017-07-01 2:16 PM (#677383 - in reply to #676592)
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I am getting the feeling that this whole Kovalchuk returning to the NHL affair, is a fabricated product of his player agent trying to milk as much money as possible out of his KHL deal.

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Posted 2017-07-01 2:24 PM (#677386 - in reply to #676592)
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According to Cap Friendly NYR have 8.3M cap space available and need to sign Mika and Jesper. So prolly about $4m left after that. If Klein comes off the cap, that leaves about $7M available. The big downer is Staal 4 years left at 5.7 / season. Nash comes off after this season

Could we make a 2018 run at Taveras? He gotta wanna get the f out of NYI's
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Posted 2017-07-01 2:26 PM (#677388 - in reply to #676592)
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Posted 2017-07-01 2:30 PM (#677390 - in reply to #676592)
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I think Ziban will cost 5. Fast around 2. So maybe 7 all in. Thinking we have about 4.5 or so after Klein retires. Need to flip Holden and bump that up to 6 and change. Then we have room to add a C.


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Posted 2017-07-01 2:33 PM (#677393 - in reply to #677386)
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Pierre_Pdare - 2017-07-01 3:24 PM

According to Cap Friendly NYR have 8.3M cap space available and need to sign Mika and Jesper. So prolly about $4m left after that. If Klein comes off the cap, that leaves about $7M available. The big downer is Staal 4 years left at 5.7 / season. Nash comes off after this season

Could we make a 2018 run at Taveras? He gotta wanna get the f out of NYI's


Theoretically - probably. It will take a little maneuvering. Someone else would have to go.

Nash comes off the books at $7.8m. That's a good chunk of it, plus the roster spot we need. Grabner UFA as well.

The complicated part is that Miller, Hayes, Vesey, Skjei are all RFA that same year. Presumably they all need raises. If we can move Staal off the roster that also clears up a bunch of money, but by my estimation still not quite enough. One of Hayes, Miller, Vesey, Skjei may have to go, unless another move is made somehow.

This is assuming Tavares gets a multi-year deal in the $9m range which may or may not be reliable as well.

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Posted 2017-07-01 2:36 PM (#677395 - in reply to #676592)
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Also - the cap may go up. It went up $2m for this year. Don't expect it to rise much, if at all next year, but if it goes up another $2m that may be just enough. All depends on what Tavares' number is.

Show him what it's like to play for a real NY team.

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Posted 2017-07-01 2:47 PM (#677398 - in reply to #676592)
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From Gorton:

•Where do things go now at center, "I would say that we have some ongoing things to try and help us at center, we know it's a need and a hole there we are trying to fix. We also have the luxury of JT Miller, who we feel is a natural center and at some point we are hoping he can make that move and that gives us a little flexibility. We are looking. We have had some discussions with teams and trade scenarios. Definitely aware of the situation and see how it moves going forward."

•Is it a trade scenario or a free agent, "I don't know. Hard to say. We are looking at both scenarios, check out the market and see what players can help you and prices and all of that info. We have talked to several teams about centers and we will see where it takes us."



So we'll get something done at C.


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Posted 2017-07-01 2:48 PM (#677399 - in reply to #676592)
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Posted 2017-07-01 2:57 PM (#677400 - in reply to #677398)
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Shattenkirk NYR - 2017-07-01 3:47 PM


So we'll get something done at C.




I think that's encouraging?

Anyone have any idea what the price for Duchene or Galchenyuk would be?
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Posted 2017-07-01 3:03 PM (#677401 - in reply to #676592)
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I would be surprised if we could swing that type of deal, especially Duchene, but who knows. Warranted or not, I have a ton of faith in Gorton to make good smart moves. I think he did a great job last summer, a smart job at the trade DL and thus far has done a great job again this summer.

A lot of faith in that guy to get us where we need to be. We'll add a good solid forward for sure I think.


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Posted 2017-07-01 3:05 PM (#677403 - in reply to #676592)
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Posted 2017-07-01 4:50 PM (#677404 - in reply to #677383)
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concust - 2017-07-01 2:16 PM

I am getting the feeling that this whole Kovalchuk returning to the NHL affair, is a fabricated product of his player agent trying to milk as much money as possible out of his KHL deal.


We don't want him anyway ...He's 34...coming off knee surgery and another Russian head case
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Posted 2017-07-01 6:19 PM (#677421 - in reply to #677404)
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concust - 2017-07-01 2:16 PM

I am getting the feeling that this whole Kovalchuk returning to the NHL affair, is a fabricated product of his player agent trying to milk as much money as possible out of his KHL deal.


We don't want him anyway ...He's 34...coming off knee surgery and another Russian head case

Correct!
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Posted 2017-07-02 3:54 PM (#677486 - in reply to #676592)
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Marleau to the Leafs, 3-years 6.25 AAV. A lot for a guy who is 38 in September, but he has game left and will add leadership to that team. They are near the top of the East also on paper into the season.

Pens, BJ's, TB and the Leafs. I think we slot in right after that group in the 4 or 5 range (assuming we add another C/forward). We have a good solid team that can make a run again.



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Posted 2017-07-02 5:30 PM (#677488 - in reply to #676592)
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I think the Leafs have another lukewarm year before they really start to put it together. Their defense needs to gel a bit more and I still don't think they have the goaltending to make them a serious contender. Tampa has some question marks also. We'll see how Vasilievsky does with a full year's work. After Pittsburgh and CBJ I think the east is wide open, with a few teams that will almost definitely be at the bottom (Sabres, Panthers, Hurricanes, Devils at least)
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Posted 2017-07-02 5:36 PM (#677489 - in reply to #676592)
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I agree on the Leafs. Their D can use another season and another proven defender. They are closer to that next level than the top with the Pens and CBJ. I do think TB is closer to the top with the Pens and CBJ if Stamkos is healthy. After those teams the East is wide open. If we add the C/forward we need we can clearly slot into the 4th or so best team in the East...but odds are we'll have to play the Pens or CBJ in round 1 in the ridiculous NHL playoff system (can this league get ANYTHING right?), and that would not be easy.

If Gorton finishes this thing off right I really do like our team and would go to battle against anyone in the East when the time comes. BTW...watch for CBJ to get Kovy from the Devs. They are building a heck of a team there. I bet they win the Met with us and the Pens battling for 2nd.


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Posted 2017-07-02 5:38 PM (#677490 - in reply to #676592)
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Looks like Kuznetsov has resigned with the Caps for 8-years and a 7.8 mill cap hit. That seems way excessive to me. The guy scored 20 goals with 77 points last season. This season scored 19 goals, but fell back to 59 points. Is that worth 7.8 mill per?

Yes he is 25 and you have to expect he'll get better, but these deals are nutty.

Did I miss some announcement that the cap is taking a huge jump next season? Price 11.5 and Kuz 7.8 seem crazy to me.

How will the Caps have balance and depth with OV at 9.5, Kuz at 7.8, Backstrom at 6.7 (maybe a bargain), Oshie at 5.75, Orpik at 5.5, Orlov at 5.1 (insane deal), Niskanen at 5.75 and Holtby at 6.1. Over 52 mill of the 75 mill cap in 8 players. Simply no depth can be had. And Carlson is a UFA after next season.

There is talent in those 8 players, and Carlson is solid at 4 mill for one more season, but the Caps will take a clear step back next season I think.


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Posted 2017-07-02 6:25 PM (#677494 - in reply to #676592)
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It seems high to me also. They're paying for futures which is fine but like the discussion in the other thread, the NHL and the hard cap punishes teams for doing well in drafting and development. Sad thing is the Caps developed all these players, and because they did a good job with that, they're running up against the hard cap. Ovechkin, Kuznetsov, Backstrom, Orlov, Holtby, all homegrown.

Perhaps part of the solution is to give a level of exemption per year for a homegrown player. For example -$500k cap hit for each home-grown player. This would encourage teams to draft and develop better, and would reward the teams that do well rather than punishing them.



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Posted 2017-07-02 6:33 PM (#677495 - in reply to #676592)
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Yeah, that's the kind of thinking the NHLPA needs. Personally I never would have resigned Orlov for 5.1 per. I also would have said to Kuz dude we cannot give you 7.8 per. No way they can field a good deep team for much longer. Maybe one more season, but they are f'd real soon.

They did just deal Johansson and his 4.583 cap hit to NJ for 2nd and 3rd round picks in 2018, but they are still f'd I think.

This league is not good right now. Teams get punished for good development. I don't want to be a broken record, but it has to change some.



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Posted 2017-07-03 4:39 AM (#677509 - in reply to #676592)
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NJ fleeced the Caps in that deal but what else could the Caps have done. After July 1, teams' rosters and salary caps are pretty much set, aside from signing a few RFA. There aren't going to be a lot of teams with that much salary cap space to just take on $4.5 for a couple of draft picks. At least they Caps understood that the longer they wait to address the problem the worse it's going to get. But yeah they're going to be screwed unless they can find some major efficiencies. The Rangers have at least been able to find a few of these bargains - Hayes, Miller, Vesey on ELC or bridge deals, McDonagh's sweetheart contract, Grabner's production vs contract, etc. Which really helped balance out the big contracts of Staal, Girardi, Hank, Nash, Stepan.
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Posted 2017-07-03 4:41 AM (#677510 - in reply to #676592)
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Marcus Kruger traded from CHI to VGK, completing their pre-expansion draft side deal. Kruger was sent there for future considerations, which means, nothing.

CHI paid Kruger a $2m signing bonus yesterday, which VGK didn't want to pay, that was the last thing holding up the deal from becoming official.

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Posted 2017-07-03 4:44 AM (#677511 - in reply to #676592)
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Carey Price signs an extension for 8 years, $84m.

He is about the same age as Hank when he signed his big extension. Hank's deal is for $2m less per year, one fewer year, and had virtually no injury history when he signed his deal. Price has missed significant time 3 of the last 5 seasons.

Bergevin doesn't care though, he'll be long gone by the time that contract starts becoming an anchor.
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Posted 2017-07-03 4:56 AM (#677512 - in reply to #676592)
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I have zero clue what Bergevin is doing up there. Team looks like a disaster to me. Terrible deal for Alzner. Petry is their # 3 dman I guess. Good to add Drouin, but their O is seriously lacking (their highest forward cap hit is Plekanec). Price at 10.5 per is too much for any goalie. 8 years of Price. 5 years of Alzner. Dude is lost up there and that team is in serious trouble I think. D is bad and O is below average. Terrible mix. That team will sink like a stone and only be solid in the regular season because of Price.

As for us, Gorton has done a masterful job, he really has. And I would also add the Shatt deal and the Zucc very team friendly deal to our good column as well. Hank should be 1 mill less, but outside of that and the Staal deal, we are really in a good spot contract wise. Nice to see.




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Posted 2017-07-03 5:01 AM (#677513 - in reply to #676592)
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Here's a question. Any shot anyone would include Skjei in a Duchene package? Sakic wants an ELC dman. Skjei fits the bill of young up and comer. Sakic's demands are high. May take Skjei, Gropp and a 1st to get Duchene. We'd still have McDonagh, Shatt and Smith as a base (real good). And a handful of good young kids who are real close on D (including Graves). Plus Staal/Holden can man the 3rd pair well I think. And man would Duchene look good in the middle here with our forward depth and slotted in front of Ziban and Hayes at C.

Won't happen, but wonder if anyone would make that kind of deal, which is what it would take to start with for Sakic.

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Posted 2017-07-03 5:26 AM (#677514 - in reply to #676592)
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heres a question also, how do the freaken Devils get a center for a bag of pucks in Johansson and the Rangers have no clue ...re below

Devils acquire Johansson from Capitals for picks

Jul 2 | 8:24PM

The New Jersey Devils acquired forward Marcus Johansson from the Washington Capitals in exchange for 2018 second- and third-round picks.

Johansson, 26, recorded 24 goals and 34 assists in 82 games during the regular season and two goals and six assists in 13 playoff games for Washington.

A first-round pick in 2009, Johansson has 102 goals and 188 assists in 501 career NHL games.

The Devils will give up Florida's second-round pick and Toronto's third-round pick next season.



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Here's a question. Any shot anyone would include Skjei in a Duchene package? Sakic wants an ELC dman. Skjei fits the bill of young up and comer. Sakic's demands are high. May take Skjei, Gropp and a 1st to get Duchene. We'd still have McDonagh, Shatt and Smith as a base (real good). And a handful of good young kids who are real close on D (including Graves). Plus Staal/Holden can man the 3rd pair well I think. And man would Duchene look good in the middle here with our forward depth and slotted in front of Ziban and Hayes at C.

Won't happen, but wonder if anyone would make that kind of deal, which is what it would take to start with for Sakic.



No!!!! Sakic is going to realize that what he is asking for is not going to happen. Eventually he will have a disgruntled player on his hand and will have to trade him for next to nothing. That is when the teams will pounce.

Duchene is a good center but he is not an elite player and that is what Sakic is asking for in return (elite player return)
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Posted 2017-07-03 6:10 AM (#677516 - in reply to #676592)
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He is more of a wing than a C I think, and I have zero interest in Johansson. Nice 45-50 point guy, but his numbers were inflated on that team I think. He is a 3rd line player...maybe low 2nd line. He doesn't excite me. We can do better I think.

Caps are in salary cap hell. Shame on them for growing and assembling a good team the past couple of seasons.


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Posted 2017-07-03 7:39 AM (#677517 - in reply to #676592)
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Washington never would have traded him for that return to anyone they may face in the playoffs. The Devil's got him cheap because he doesn't help them enough to mean anything.

And shame on the Caps for having a top team in the league for over a decade and falling on their face over and over again. Their window to win has been open longer than you can hope for and not even a conference finals appearance to show for it.
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Posted 2017-07-03 7:47 AM (#677518 - in reply to #676592)
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Johansson was expendable...nice player with inflated stats on that team...also a concussion victim
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Posted 2017-07-03 8:12 AM (#677519 - in reply to #676592)
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That is 100% fair Vua. The Caps have been a choking joke in the playoffs, and no one should cry for them. Still doesn't change the fact that this ridiculously restrictive cap in the NHL needs to be tweaked for some flexibility, but yeah the Caps had their opportunities and fell flat on their faces over and over again. That's on them and nothing else.


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Posted 2017-07-03 9:38 AM (#677523 - in reply to #676592)
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Well, that's not a bad deal for the Craps, they need to start thinking of the future now. Their window is closing fast.

Marleu 3 years @ 38? Wow. They can have him.
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Posted 2017-07-03 11:30 AM (#677528 - in reply to #676592)
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Radulov to the Stars. 5-years just over 6 mill per AAV.


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LeetchyMrRanger
Posted 2017-07-03 12:08 PM (#677530 - in reply to #676592)
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I saw it & thought it was April 1st. Then, I checked the calendar & it is not April Fools Day. Wow. Stars?!?
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Posted 2017-07-03 12:23 PM (#677531 - in reply to #676592)
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Montreal is a mess. Overpay for Alzner and Price. Stars overpay for Radulov. Caps overpay for a couple of guys. Free agency deals are crazy. Have to give Gorton even more credit with Shatt. And actually Shatt gets the main credit telling the Rangers he'll take 4-years at a reasonable AAV.


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Posted 2017-07-03 12:23 PM (#677532 - in reply to #676592)
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5 years for Radulov is way too much. Stars will regret that in year 2 guaranteed.
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Posted 2017-07-03 1:49 PM (#677534 - in reply to #677532)
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concust - 2017-07-03 2:23 PM

5 years for Radulov is way too much. Stars will regret that in year 2 guaranteed.


When's this potential lockout?

Won't teams get to re-up on their buyouts soon?
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Posted 2017-07-03 2:21 PM (#677535 - in reply to #676592)
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That has to be bargained. I am sure some teams think that will happen, but who knows for sure. I believe it would be after the 2019-2020 season, so 3 more seasons of hockey before the next one.

The owners are now upset about signing bonuses and NTC's/NMC's which almost all players get in some way shape or form these days. It really is laughable that the owners create this and drive this, and then negotiate to stop it because they cannot control themselves.

The NHLPA caves every time, but this time I really hope they say we're prepared to sit out for years if we need to because this isn't working. And again the proof is in the numbers, the cap number not growing that is. Tells me all we need to know. So unless the cap really grows over the next 3 seasons, the players better man up this time and say we have to change the cap rules and allow more flexibility and actually grow the darn game.


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Posted 2017-07-03 4:01 PM (#677537 - in reply to #676592)
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All these crazy contracts has me thinking that the owners have some scheme cooking in the dark that they'll spring on the NHLPA at the next CBA.

The Habs are lost. Spending all that on defense and their goalie when they desperately need scoring. If they have any decent scorers they would've beat the Rangers in Round 1.

Can Gorton package AV and Holden for a decent center? If he can then I'll be more excited for this team next season, and I'll agree that Gorton is a miracle worker.
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Mikey Red
Posted 2017-07-03 4:08 PM (#677539 - in reply to #677532)
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concust - 2017-07-03 12:23 PM

5 years for Radulov is way too much. Stars will regret that in year 2 guaranteed.

Montreal may be open to Staal now
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Posted 2017-07-04 8:09 AM (#677546 - in reply to #677513)
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Shattenkirk NYR - 2017-07-03 5:01 AM

Here's a question. Any shot anyone would include Skjei in a Duchene package? Sakic wants an ELC dman. Skjei fits the bill of young up and comer. Sakic's demands are high. May take Skjei, Gropp and a 1st to get Duchene. We'd still have McDonagh, Shatt and Smith as a base (real good). And a handful of good young kids who are real close on D (including Graves). Plus Staal/Holden can man the 3rd pair well I think. And man would Duchene look good in the middle here with our forward depth and slotted in front of Ziban and Hayes at C.

Won't happen, but wonder if anyone would make that kind of deal, which is what it would take to start with for Sakic.



Our best young defensemen, one of our top prospects, and a 1st round pick for Duchene??? LUNACY!!!!!!
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Mikey Red
Posted 2017-07-04 8:27 AM (#677549 - in reply to #676592)
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No way you do that trade...Just wait it out...Sakic asking for the World for him...He aint getting it... he will end up with less. Duchene has to go, Its too toxic an atmosphere there now.
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Mikey Red
Posted 2017-07-04 3:20 PM (#677564 - in reply to #676592)
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Looks like Kovalchuck will be staying in Mother USSR
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Posted 2017-07-04 3:26 PM (#677566 - in reply to #676592)
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Yeah, stinks for the Devs. They now get nothing for him when he returns to the NHL next season (he'll be a UFA July 1st 2018). I'm happy because Shero wasn't going to deal him here, so now he won't end up with CBJ (the only other team he wanted to go to).


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Mikey Red
Posted 2017-07-04 3:29 PM (#677567 - in reply to #676592)
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Couldn't be happier ...F them
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Posted 2017-07-05 12:56 PM (#677640 - in reply to #676592)
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edit- correction, McDavid extension reported to be 8 x $12.5m.

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Posted 2017-07-05 12:57 PM (#677641 - in reply to #677549)
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Mikey Red - 2017-07-04 9:27 AM

No way you do that trade...Just wait it out...Sakic asking for the World for him...He aint getting it... he will end up with less. Duchene has to go, Its too toxic an atmosphere there now.


I agree that Sakic has completely mishandled this situation and it needs to end one way or another, but I don't perceive there being some rampantly toxic situation. Things were WAY worse between Drouin and the Bolts and they worked it out. And yes I know he got traded later but that was the result of salary cap problems, Drouin played and played well for them. And I also think things were abundantly worse between the Sharks and Joe Thornton, and they also worked it out. Keep in mind that Duchene has not submitted an official trade request. If/when that happens then yeah, the clock will be ticking.
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