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Posted 2017-06-27 4:52 PM (#677154 - in reply to #677153)
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If term is on the cheap and he can be the bridge to one of our kids...then why not
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He would probably fit our system better than Thornton with his speed. When was the last time Marleau played center, though?
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Posted 2017-06-27 8:07 PM (#677161 - in reply to #677153)
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Cap friendly lists him as a LW/C
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Cap friendly lists him as a LW/C


Yeah I know he can play either.... I'm just not sure how long it's been since he was used in the middle.

Pretty sure he's been Thornton's LW for a while.... but I'm not possitive
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Posted 2017-06-27 8:21 PM (#677163 - in reply to #677153)
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Yeah Im not sure either... Gorton has work to do
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Posted 2017-06-28 4:12 AM (#677174 - in reply to #677153)
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According to Craig Custance, the Rangers are one of a few teams that is "in the mix" and talking with Sharks forward and UFA Patrick Marleau.

Other teams that have expressed interest in Marleau include Toronto, Anaheim, Carolina, Nashville, LA and the Sharks.

Pierre LeBrun noted on Monday that there is interest in Marleau.

Marleau scored 27 goals last season for San Jose, averaging 17:09 per gameand winning 53.5% of his 215 faceoffs.

He will be 38 this coming season and has played in every regular season game since the 2009-10 season.

The Rangers have also been linked to Marleau's teammate in San Jose, Joe Thornton.

A couple of years ago the Rangers, Kings and Ducks were the only teams that Marleau would reportedly waive his no-trade clause to go to.

Adam Rotter: Like Joe Thornton, Marleau only makes sense for the Rangers on a one-year deal. He is more of a wing than a center at this point in his career, which doesn't make him an exact fit, but is still relatively productive. I think he presents more risk/bust potential than Thornton would, but a potential one-year deal is something that the Rangers can explore. Ultimately Marleau first needs to decide if he wants to leave the West Coast and then see if there is common ground for a deal. If he does leave San Jose I think it's probably more likely that he ends up in LA or Anaheim than with the Rangers.
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Posted 2017-06-28 9:07 AM (#677183 - in reply to #677153)
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The thought of signing Marleau or Thornton for three years makes me puke. The Rangers have been down this road so many times. Signing players to contracts that are burden by the end.
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Agree. Lord no
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This couldn't have been their plan to replace Stepan from the get go.

Because if it was then we're ****ed. Cuz Gorton had gone nuts.
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Posted 2017-06-28 10:22 AM (#677186 - in reply to #677153)
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Marleau takes a little over 2 faceoffs per game. Basically at the rate that you would if you were a regular winger and your center got tossed from the circle twice in a game. He can do it, but can't comment on much consistency over the longer term.

I was not impressed with the return from the Stepan/Raanta trade and so far have been less impressed with the plan for replacement.

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Posted 2017-06-28 10:25 AM (#677187 - in reply to #677153)
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Posted 2017-06-28 11:09 AM (#677190 - in reply to #677186)
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concust - 2017-06-28 9:22 AM

I was not impressed with the return from the Stepan/Raanta trade and so far have been less impressed with the plan for replacement.



Well there was also the Salary Cap aspect of it, getting out from the $6.25M per year gave them some flexibility to address some thins, like perhaps resigning Brendan Smith for instance...though we're yet to see whether that eventuates
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no, no, no. If there are that many teams interested than the price is getting high (and the term longer). No thanks.
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Posted 2017-06-28 2:49 PM (#677201 - in reply to #677190)
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Fish - 2017-06-28 12:09 PM

concust - 2017-06-28 9:22 AM

I was not impressed with the return from the Stepan/Raanta trade and so far have been less impressed with the plan for replacement.



Well there was also the Salary Cap aspect of it, getting out from the $6.25M per year gave them some flexibility to address some thins, like perhaps resigning Brendan Smith for instance...though we're yet to see whether that eventuates


Yep, they've cleared $7.5m off the books, plus another $3m if/when Klein officially retires, but the problem is there seems like no plan to replace the hole in the middle. I'd be a little more comfortable if they cleared Stepan's $6.5, got some assets, and then the plan was to sign XXXX center as a stopgap for a few years... barring a Gagner signing I don't see a realistic option here aside from just "go with what we have" or a more significant trade in the offseason. Gagner still isn't ideal but IMO he's probably one of the better options on the table right now - there just aren't a lot of choices.
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Posted 2017-06-28 3:47 PM (#677208 - in reply to #677201)
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concust - 2017-06-28 1:49 PM

Fish - 2017-06-28 12:09 PM

concust - 2017-06-28 9:22 AM

I was not impressed with the return from the Stepan/Raanta trade and so far have been less impressed with the plan for replacement.



Well there was also the Salary Cap aspect of it, getting out from the $6.25M per year gave them some flexibility to address some thins, like perhaps resigning Brendan Smith for instance...though we're yet to see whether that eventuates


Yep, they've cleared $7.5m off the books, plus another $3m if/when Klein officially retires, but the problem is there seems like no plan to replace the hole in the middle. I'd be a little more comfortable if they cleared Stepan's $6.5, got some assets, and then the plan was to sign XXXX center as a stopgap for a few years... barring a Gagner signing I don't see a realistic option here aside from just "go with what we have" or a more significant trade in the offseason. Gagner still isn't ideal but IMO he's probably one of the better options on the table right now - there just aren't a lot of choices.


Well...

It could be the case, though we are of course, not privvy to any thoughts they may have re: UFAs (soon to be resolved), and less likely, through the trade market. I think it's more accurate to say that the options speculated to this point, aren't exciting
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Posted 2017-06-29 8:22 AM (#677220 - in reply to #677208)
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I was not impressed with the return from the Stepan/Raanta trade and so far have been less impressed with the plan for replacement.



Well there was also the Salary Cap aspect of it, getting out from the $6.25M per year gave them some flexibility to address some thins, like perhaps resigning Brendan Smith for instance...though we're yet to see whether that eventuates


Yep, they've cleared $7.5m off the books, plus another $3m if/when Klein officially retires, but the problem is there seems like no plan to replace the hole in the middle. I'd be a little more comfortable if they cleared Stepan's $6.5, got some assets, and then the plan was to sign XXXX center as a stopgap for a few years... barring a Gagner signing I don't see a realistic option here aside from just "go with what we have" or a more significant trade in the offseason. Gagner still isn't ideal but IMO he's probably one of the better options on the table right now - there just aren't a lot of choices.


Well...

It could be the case, though we are of course, not privvy to any thoughts they may have re: UFAs (soon to be resolved), and less likely, through the trade market. I think it's more accurate to say that the options speculated to this point, aren't exciting


This is playing out pretty much like I predicted, Stepan gets traded and there's no plan for replacement. I'm glad we got some futures but there isn't even a plug to fill the hole temporarily.

But we have the cap space! And lazy Stepan is gone! Only a matter of time before lazy Hayes and his (worse) FO% are gone too, right?

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Posted 2017-06-29 4:46 PM (#677234 - in reply to #677220)
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concust - 2017-06-29 7:22 AM

This is playing out pretty much like I predicted, Stepan gets traded and there's no plan for replacement. I'm glad we got some futures but there isn't even a plug to fill the hole temporarily.

But we have the cap space! And lazy Stepan is gone! Only a matter of time before lazy Hayes and his (worse) FO% are gone too, right?



As I said before, it's hard to know at this point whether there's a plan, because if it's the free agent market they expect to go to, we will not know until Saturday and beyond. If it's through a trade we may not know for some time. Their plan may be to not get a replacement also...but it's still a plan. I think it's a bit misleading to say they don't have a plan, more to the point you don't see any options you like.
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Posted 2017-06-29 4:58 PM (#677235 - in reply to #677153)
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We'll revisit this in a couple weeks after major moves have been made. My theory is that they backed into the Stepan trade and they'll try to replace him with a bottom 6 center, and then they're going to stand pat with the defense and not sign Shattenkirk. If that's the case they will have spent the offseason creating holes and not filling them.

Maybe it'll all fall into place on July 1... I don't expect much this year though.
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concust - 2017-06-29 3:58 PM

We'll revisit this in a couple weeks after major moves have been made. My theory is that they backed into the Stepan trade and they'll try to replace him with a bottom 6 center, and then they're going to stand pat with the defense and not sign Shattenkirk. If that's the case they will have spent the offseason creating holes and not filling them.

Maybe it'll all fall into place on July 1... I don't expect much this year though.


Well I think they probably felt that they had few options, and that replacing a center was going to be easier than trying to remake the defense with the budget they had...so they made the trade with that in mind. They probably thought that worst come to worst, they could use the players they have, sign a veteran and maybe give Andersson a shot too...although what i've seen of him, his shot looks pretty ordinary.
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Posted 2017-06-29 6:26 PM (#677238 - in reply to #677153)
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I read rumors of teams offer sheeting Leon Draisaitl

Someone on here may have posted about that being a possibility already, not sure...

11 million for 7 years

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robstones - 2017-06-29 8:26 PM

I read rumors of teams offer sheeting Leon Draisaitl

Someone on here may have posted about that being a possibility already, not sure...

11 million for 7 years



Insanity
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Posted 2017-06-29 7:55 PM (#677244 - in reply to #677153)
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The Oil laid off one Benoit Pouliot
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robstones - 2017-06-29 8:26 PM

I read rumors of teams offer sheeting Leon Draisaitl

Someone on here may have posted about that being a possibility already, not sure...

11 million for 7 years



Insanity


If The Oilers don't match it, Rangers lose four 1st round picks

If they do match it.... well then they'd have 24.5 million dollars invested in two players.

Draisaitl would be that legit top line center we've been complaining we haven't had since Messier, though.... it's very tempting.

Draisaitl
Zibanejad
Hayes
Andersson

Could be our 4 centers for the better part of a decade.... Chytil could pan out too, of course, but after that we wouldn't have to worry about the center ice position in the draft.....

If Shestyorkin pans out, we wouldn't have to worry about goalies either

So now you're crap shooting on wingers and D? Who needs 1st rounders?

11 million is a steep price, and a bit of a gamble that he earns that money.... but he is only 21, and was a top 10 scorer in the league last season....

Is that because of McDavid? Maybe a little.... but you could also make a case for McDavid's stats being inflated from playing with Draisaitl, too....

Insanity, indeed.
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Posted 2017-06-29 8:12 PM (#677248 - in reply to #677153)
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Blueseatblogs also wrote about getting Justin Williams, and sticking with what we have at center

Zibanejad
Miller
Hayes

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Cody Franson is another interesting UFA defensman that I noticed today who could be had on a good deal.
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Posted 2017-06-29 11:27 PM (#677253 - in reply to #677245)
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robstones - 2017-06-29 7:05 PM

Mandar - 2017-06-29 9:14 PM

robstones - 2017-06-29 8:26 PM

I read rumors of teams offer sheeting Leon Draisaitl

Someone on here may have posted about that being a possibility already, not sure...

11 million for 7 years



Insanity


If The Oilers don't match it, Rangers lose four 1st round picks

If they do match it.... well then they'd have 24.5 million dollars invested in two players.

Draisaitl would be that legit top line center we've been complaining we haven't had since Messier, though.... it's very tempting.

Draisaitl
Zibanejad
Hayes
Andersson

Could be our 4 centers for the better part of a decade.... Chytil could pan out too, of course, but after that we wouldn't have to worry about the center ice position in the draft.....

If Shestyorkin pans out, we wouldn't have to worry about goalies either

So now you're crap shooting on wingers and D? Who needs 1st rounders?

11 million is a steep price, and a bit of a gamble that he earns that money.... but he is only 21, and was a top 10 scorer in the league last season....

Is that because of McDavid? Maybe a little.... but you could also make a case for McDavid's stats being inflated from playing with Draisaitl, too....

Insanity, indeed.


I'm not against it. I think he's a supreme talent. He is a combination of skill and power that just doesn't come along every day. I've watched him a fair bit and he's as sure a bet to be a number one centre and potential star as your going to get. The Rangers have to make a run with this nucleus, with and then without Lundqvist. They are young enough up front to get by when you add Draisaitl. If DeAngelo is a solid top four dman, or better yet reaches his potential number one dman status, Skjei steadily improves, McD carries on, and Smith proves to be a top four, they can fill the 5 and 6 holes.
When I look at where the Rangers will finish we are not talking top end first round picks they will lose. They might want to hang onto their second through fourth round picks, to offset the loss of the firsts.
$10,000,000 is going to be the new norm for teams star players. $11,000,000 for the max years for Draisaitl might be a bargain half way through the term. The other issue is how long does Hank and his $8.5 mill deal hang around? He has four years, will he play them all? I haven't done the math, but if it's doable, and not a burden on other potential signings then I'd be pretty tempted.

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I was not impressed with the return from the Stepan/Raanta trade and so far have been less impressed with the plan for replacement.



Well there was also the Salary Cap aspect of it, getting out from the $6.25M per year gave them some flexibility to address some thins, like perhaps resigning Brendan Smith for instance...though we're yet to see whether that eventuates


Yep, they've cleared $7.5m off the books, plus another $3m if/when Klein officially retires, but the problem is there seems like no plan to replace the hole in the middle. I'd be a little more comfortable if they cleared Stepan's $6.5, got some assets, and then the plan was to sign XXXX center as a stopgap for a few years... barring a Gagner signing I don't see a realistic option here aside from just "go with what we have" or a more significant trade in the offseason. Gagner still isn't ideal but IMO he's probably one of the better options on the table right now - there just aren't a lot of choices.


Well...

It could be the case, though we are of course, not privvy to any thoughts they may have re: UFAs (soon to be resolved), and less likely, through the trade market. I think it's more accurate to say that the options speculated to this point, aren't exciting


This is playing out pretty much like I predicted, Stepan gets traded and there's no plan for replacement. I'm glad we got some futures but there isn't even a plug to fill the hole temporarily.

But we have the cap space! And lazy Stepan is gone! Only a matter of time before lazy Hayes and his (worse) FO% are gone too, right?



One huge difference...Hayes didn't usually take the PP or PK face-offs. That's where stepan really killed the PP, Rangers would lose 20 seconds easily on the PP. I'm sorry you don't understand that for some reason, again I'll refer to what Messier said is the KEY to a good PP and PK....In case you don't remember, he said its the face-off!!

I don't really blame stepan for this either, (he just sucks) I blame AV, who is the idiot who kept putting out there, until the last couple of games against Ottawa.
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I would say dealing Steps is dealing with a big problem down the middle. Get what you can while you can ... and clear some cap space.

Keeping Steps would've been not dealing with the problem down the middle. He has to be the worse #1 - #2 Center in the league, hands down... and just a decent #3 center, ... and for what he was making... see ya!

Lets see what they do with the new found $$$$ before we say they aren't dealing with the problem down the middle.







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Stepan is deserving of blame. He walks into the circle with no intensity and half azzzzes it most of the time. He to me never made any effort to get better in the dot. You never heard about him working with top faceoff guys. Hayes on the other hand made a huge improvement over his first season. You heard about how he was working on it. He was also over 50% in the playoffs. While he struggled with his play in the post season, he faceoffs were excellent. Brassard became an overpaid dog his last season here. Stepan has been an overpaid dog for 2 season. This to me why was Gorton and Clark drafted the two kids they did in the first round. They have relentless motors according to both and a good amount of talent. A lot of Rangers simply don't play that hard since they got paid. Kreider is falling into that mold.
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Stepan is deserving of blame. He walks into the circle with no intensity and half azzzzes it most of the time. He to me never made any effort to get better in the dot. You never heard about him working with top faceoff guys. Hayes on the other hand made a huge improvement over his first season. You heard about how he was working on it. He was also over 50% in the playoffs. While he struggled with his play in the post season, he faceoffs were excellent. Brassard became an overpaid dog his last season here. Stepan has been an overpaid dog for 2 season. This to me why was Gorton and Clark drafted the two kids they did in the first round. They have relentless motors according to both and a good amount of talent. A lot of Rangers simply don't play that hard since they got paid. Kreider is falling into that mold.


Ha Ha... I always laugh when fans say players stop playing hard, when they start getting paid. But what do I know, so many fans in all sports feel this way.

But I always felt, in most cases this theory goes against everything in a players DNA... To wake up so early when they were young spending years trying to make it to the next level, then the NHL, and to compete against a world wide talent pool, to making the league, playing well for several years to earn a decent salary... then just sit back and become mediocre... I don't know.... doesn't make sense. To purposely, hold back skills, let their team mates and family down while they spent their whole lives competing at an unbelievable level... Again goes against everything in their DNA. Maybe like Rocky unconsciously they lose the eye of the tiger.

I think in Steps case, he was always a bit of an over achiever and needed to work hard on his skating. I just think he hit a wall and can't progress or stay at his younger efforts. Maybe he performs better in a different setting... but I don't think he's World Class anymore.

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Next few years will be telling...MacDavid will get this...then you give Tavares that...Draisaitl etc... Matthews...Laine....If Shattenkirk who is NOT all that gets 7 x 7.... Good luck going to a game where the last row is now a $150 seat....Going to sink the League
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Devils waive to buy out 2 guys.....they will be the ones overpaying for overrated Shattenkirk
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Devils waive to buy out 2 guys.....they will be the ones overpaying for overrated Shattenkirk



I still think Shattenkirk is a Ranger at start of season. He'll do the "Brad Richards UFA tour" and get a few huge offers, but ultimately settle on the Rangers. I think he'll give them a "hometown discount" and Rangers won't overpay.

Shero passed on Shattenkirk for team USA twice, so I don't know why he'd want him on the devils.

I guess we'll see.
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You laugh Bathgate because you are probably one of those dumbazzz suckers who sits up in the Blues and pays your money every year for season tickets and forgives players game after game for not trying. Stepan's effort the past 2 years has been an f'n embarrassment. Do some research and put some tape on his faceoffs. His effort in the dot is a disgrace. Brassard's defense was laughable his last year here and even the coaching staff said so. Guys like you remember a few good plays from regulars and turn a blind eye to these overpaid dogs. This team has had far too many lazy, fat cats on it the past 2 years. It's obvious. The Ottawa series showed it. They simply wanted it more.
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Posted 2017-06-30 3:42 PM (#677270 - in reply to #677153)
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Darren Dreger reporting Rangers in discussions with Ondrej Pavelec
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Grigorenko wasn't given an offer. 57% on draws last year with great size. Tells me his effort wasn't there for how young he is. Rather they sign him on a 2 year deal.
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Fish - 2017-06-30 11:42 PM

Darren Dreger reporting Rangers in discussions with Ondrej Pavelec

After having Talbot and Raanta as the last two second goalies, Pavelec would be step in the wrong direction quality-wise.
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Yeah because Talbot and Raanta had such great careers before BA unscrewed them. When will people learn how great our goalie coach is.
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I was not impressed with the return from the Stepan/Raanta trade and so far have been less impressed with the plan for replacement.



Well there was also the Salary Cap aspect of it, getting out from the $6.25M per year gave them some flexibility to address some thins, like perhaps resigning Brendan Smith for instance...though we're yet to see whether that eventuates


Yep, they've cleared $7.5m off the books, plus another $3m if/when Klein officially retires, but the problem is there seems like no plan to replace the hole in the middle. I'd be a little more comfortable if they cleared Stepan's $6.5, got some assets, and then the plan was to sign XXXX center as a stopgap for a few years... barring a Gagner signing I don't see a realistic option here aside from just "go with what we have" or a more significant trade in the offseason. Gagner still isn't ideal but IMO he's probably one of the better options on the table right now - there just aren't a lot of choices.


Well...

It could be the case, though we are of course, not privvy to any thoughts they may have re: UFAs (soon to be resolved), and less likely, through the trade market. I think it's more accurate to say that the options speculated to this point, aren't exciting


This is playing out pretty much like I predicted, Stepan gets traded and there's no plan for replacement. I'm glad we got some futures but there isn't even a plug to fill the hole temporarily.

But we have the cap space! And lazy Stepan is gone! Only a matter of time before lazy Hayes and his (worse) FO% are gone too, right?



One huge difference...Hayes didn't usually take the PP or PK face-offs. That's where stepan really killed the PP, Rangers would lose 20 seconds easily on the PP. I'm sorry you don't understand that for some reason, again I'll refer to what Messier said is the KEY to a good PP and PK....In case you don't remember, he said its the face-off!!

I don't really blame stepan for this either, (he just sucks) I blame AV, who is the idiot who kept putting out there, until the last couple of games against Ottawa.


You are aware that Hayes' FO% is worse than Stepan's right? If that's the case then how does getting rid of Stepan help.

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itsmcilrathtime - 2017-07-01 6:22 AM

Yeah because Talbot and Raanta had such great careers before BA unscrewed them. When will people learn how great our goalie coach is.


Allaire can't just turn sh!t into shinola. He worked with Talbot for 5 years, Raanta for 2 before they really started to come into their own. I don't really have an issue with Pavelec as long as he's cheap but Allaire can't make him better overnight.

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We didn't win the cup with Stepan as our top center.... again....

They signed him to that contract in faith that he would produce even better.... that his best years were ahead.

A lot of this team got better last year... Hayes, Miller, Skjei, McDonagh had a fantastic year, Nash was good...

When we talk about guys not earning their contract, Stepan is up there with Girardi on list of underachievers... and they're both gone.


Now rumors are that NYR aren't willing to overpay for Shattenkirk.

If they aren't willing to overpay for Shatt, I can't see them overpaying for anyone anymore. Trading Stepan... getting rid of that contract is as much as part of the return as anything.

We'll see who fills out the roster spot, but to say they don't have a plan is ignorant. We don't know what they're going to do isn't the same as they don't know what they're doing....

Lias Andersson looks like a good pick to me. He should develop in to a reliable top 6 forward, and should compete for a roster spot this year.... pretty good return....

DeAngelo.... have you seen the tape on this kid? There's a real fear that he's Del Zotto 2.0, but he has way more skill than Del Zotto.... and he plays with an edge. All the talk about how soft our team is.... this is a Jersey kid who isn't afraid to punch you in the face and play a physical game.

And he's a PP specialist. Universally seen as a 4th forward on the ice.

As for save % Hayes isn't good on faceoffs either, but if the 2 centers that fill the roster spots of Lindberg and Stepan are better at them in the dots, than that makes this team better next year, too.....

So ultimately, it's impossible to judge this until the dust settles. Let the dominos fall.... Let's see what Lias Andersson and Tony D look like in preseason.

Let's see who they get to fill out the rest of the roster including the backup..... because as good as Raanta is, we had to trade him. He wasn't going to resign to be a backup. We either trade him, or lose him for nothing.

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We need a center that can win a >55% of faceoffs. We haven't had one since.... I can't even remember... The rangers are as good a 5 on 5 team as there is year in and year out. It's about the power play. which is putrid. We generate better scoring chances on the PK than the PP so it seems.
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IMO, the first huge problem with the defense has been the atrocious defensive play of Brassard and Stepan. You can't have one of your top centers suck defensively. Forget it if you have two. Stepan's defense has been beyond overrated the past couple years. Brassard mailed it in his last year here defensively. Just awful. Both overpaid and inconsistent. Second, the defense got way too slow and has immense trouble with speed teams. There was a reason McDonagh and Skjei are by far our best defenseman. They are great skaters. DeAngelo can fly. Del Zotto was never a great skater IMO. He was also dumb and wasn't all that dedicated. Excited to see what DeAngelo can do. Graves is a future top 3 guy IMO. He played on a horrific Pack team. I expect him to make this team. Gorton should probably deal Holden now because AV is a stubborn mule and is in love with vets and rarely punishes them whey they suck. Third, the defense was way too soft. Smith plays with an edge. So does DeAngelo. So does Graves. This is what our defense needs. Along with more speed. Fourth, a lack of overall effort from some of our highest paid players just kills this team. If these dopes can't look at Zucc and Fast and see that's how you have to play if you want to win a cup, there is no saving them.

I think this season will be Kreider's last in NY if he can't put it all together.

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Yeah Kreider has until the trade deadline to show he's not a puss posing as a power forward.

Guy came in last year saying, and I quote: "I want to be a bully on the ice"

A bully.....
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itsmcilrathtime - 2017-06-30 6:33 PM

Grigorenko wasn't given an offer. 57% on draws last year with great size. Tells me his effort wasn't there for how young he is. Rather they sign him on a 2 year deal.


I would take a flyer on him on a one or two year "prove it" deal, with the understanding that teams don't trade/not qualify big 23 year old centers with offensive talent, unless there's a good reason. In other words I wouldn't expect much out of him but as a young bottom 6 with potential upside, then sure, sign him rather than some retread who's been playing in europe or just got out of the substance abuse program.
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Gorton has talked about it and mentioned Miller as capable of playing centre. Rangers should be concentrating on obtaining a fourth line centre, and if available one better than Hayes, Miller, or Zibanejad. Grigorenko is neither, and just takes up space til he finishes dissapointing you, just like he did Buffalo and Colorado.

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This team has way too many defenseman. It's nonsense that you can't have too many defenseman. Yes. You can. Especially when you are thin up the middle. AV seems to be up to his old, stubborn, thickhead moves of blocking young players. They have Graves, DeAngelo, Point, Day and Bereglazov. All I see is Holden and Staal blocking them. Honestly, I was surprised they brought back Smith if they thought there was any chance they would get Shattenkirk.
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There's 7 defenseman.... 8 if you count Graves....
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I have a feeling they sign Kevin's brother Jimmy

Nash Zibanejad Zuccarello
Kreider Miller Buchnevich
Vesey K.Hayes J.Hayes
Grabner Andersson Fast

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robstones - 2017-07-02 5:45 PM

I have a feeling they sign Kevin's brother Jimmy



I'd sooner sign Vesey's sister than Jimmy Hayes.

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robstones - 2017-07-02 5:45 PM

I have a feeling they sign Kevin's brother Jimmy



I'd sooner sign Vesey's sister than Jimmy Hayes.



Ha Vesey's got a sister!?
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robstones - 2017-07-02 5:45 PM

I have a feeling they sign Kevin's brother Jimmy



I'd sooner sign Vesey's sister than Jimmy Hayes.


I would be willing to sign her.
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Just say No!
Sounded like you are in the church.
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Blue404 - 2017-07-02 9:22 PM

Mikey Red - 2017-07-02 11:05 PM

Just say No!
Sounded like you are in the church.

Lol Yes...I was looking for Stellas
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Blue did the NJ migrants try to come to South Beach...since Christie shut the State parks down?
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Mikey Red - 2017-07-02 11:35 PM

Blue did the NJ migrants try to come to South Beach...since Christie shut the State parks down?
They go to the shores at south beach in NJ,south on Garden state parkway.
Water here is much calmer though but the quality of water sucks though its improving.(i really hope so it does)
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I usually go to Gateways park beach.It;s a little bit better in my opinion.More hockey friendly than basketball.
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Right now I think Kovy goes to CBJ if he comes back to the NHL. That team is going to be real good next season.

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Mikey Red - 2017-07-02 11:35 PM

Blue did the NJ migrants try to come to South Beach...since Christie shut the State parks down?


We can still go to our beaches.... there just won't be any life guards
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Shattenkirk NYR - 2017-07-03 6:00 AM

Right now I think Kovy goes to CBJ if he comes back to the NHL. That team is going to be real good next season.



I don't think NJ is going to let him walk for nothing.

I'd take him.
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robstones - 2017-07-03 8:18 AM

Mikey Red - 2017-07-02 11:35 PM

Blue did the NJ migrants try to come to South Beach...since Christie shut the State parks down?


We can still go to our beaches.... there just won't be any life guards

I have a rule about going in the water anyway... I dont lol. An having to buy a beach badge in most places is beyond reprehensible

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robstones - 2017-07-03 8:18 AM

Mikey Red - 2017-07-02 11:35 PM

Blue did the NJ migrants try to come to South Beach...since Christie shut the State parks down?


We can still go to our beaches.... there just won't be any life guards

I have a rule about going in the water anyway... I dont lol. An having to buy a beach badge in most places is beyond reprehensible


YOU WUSS!!

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Ilya Kovalchuk has decided to stay in Russia for another season

9:26AM 7/5/17


Ilya Kovalchuk's agent Jay Grossman confirmed yesterday that Kovalchuk will stay in Russia and play in the KHL for the 2017-18 season.

Kovalchuk had expressed interest in returning to the NHL this year but was still property of the Devils, where he didn't want to play.

The Rangers had been linked to Kovalchuk with reports indicating that he wanted to join them.

The Devils were reportedly asking a lot for Kovalchuk in a trade.

Kovalchuk can return to the NHL next July 1 as a free agent and is already being connected to the Rangers.

Adam Rotter: I don't doubt that the Rangers had interest in Kovalchuk this year but the Devils were never going to trade him to the Rangers. If Kovalchuk is healthy and productive in the KHL and Olympics this year then I would assume the Rangers would have interest in him next July 1, but interest only goes to a certain point. The Rangers drew a line with a player they "coveted" in Kevin Shattenkirk and they are certainly going to draw a harder line with a player who would be 35 and hasn't played in the NHL for years. I couldn't see the Rangers going past one-year for Kovalchuk and while they will have Rick Nash's money come off the cap, the new young core of Hayes, Vesey, Skjei and Miller all need new contracts and are all about a decade younger than Kovalchuk.
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Oscar Lindberg has a $1.7 million cap hit with Vegas

9:02AM 7/5/17

Vegas announced yesterday that they had come to terms on a two-year deal with former Ranger Oscar Lindberg.

Lindberg was an RFA and will have a cap hit of $1.7 million.

He just finished a two-year deal with the Rangers that had a cap hit of $650,000 and this past season his salary was $700,000.

Adam Rotter: I doubt Lindberg would have gotten a raise of $1 million from the Rangers had he not been selected in the expansion draft, but he looks to play a bigger role with Vegas than he would with the Rangers. If Lindberg was still a Ranger I think he would have ended up between $1 million and $1.4 million per season on a new deal.

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Let Kovalchuk retire somewhere else but not as a Ranger.
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Blue404 - 2017-07-05 9:46 AM

Let Kovalchuk retire somewhere else but not as a Ranger.

I concur.... Blue are you outside with the laptop?
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I think I just read that because Zibanejad filed for arbitration, The Rangers have a buyout open in August?

What does that mean? Can we buyout Staal now too?
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Blue404 - 2017-07-05 9:46 AM

Let Kovalchuk retire somewhere else but not as a Ranger.


He decided to play in KHL.
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Posted 2017-07-05 7:14 PM (#677649 - in reply to #677153)
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They all file for arbitration. Fast did, and then he signed a new deal. That is procedural, so doesn't mean much. As for the next buyout window, yes a 48 hour window opens at some point and we can buy Staal out then if we want to. It would be expensive though, and I still think ideal situation has Staal being bought out next summer when his years remaining match what Girardi was at this summer.


Fast did file for salary arbitration before signing his contract, so the Rangers will have another buyout window of 48 hours available to them at a yet-to-be-determined date.

A buyout of Staal would create more than $3.55M of space for this season but would come at an enormous cost, as well. The Rangers would be charged with approximately $2.133M of dead space each of the next two seasons, $3.133M in 2019-20 and $3.933M in conjunction with a Staal buyout.

Combined with dead space generated by Dan Girardi’s previous buyout, a Staal buyout would obligate the Blueshirts to carry a combined $4.74M of dead space this year, $5.74M of dead space in 2018-19, $6.74M of dead space in 2019-20 and $5.04M in 2020-21.





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Im sure you can trade Staal to someone....But AV wont go for it...He is going to make him the Captain this season
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The only way I would do it is if Gorton has something lined up ready to go and use that cap space on a C. If he doesn't we should bite the bullet for one more season with Staal, trade Holden, have about 5 or so mill left to make a move for a C (after Klein retires and we resign Ziban) and then buy Staal out next summer.


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Mika Zibanejad has filed for salary arbitration

Jul 5 | 7:00PM


The NHLPA has announced that Mika Zibanejad has filed for salary arbitration:

Negotiations with Zibanejad can continue on a new contract right up until the hearing is about to start.

Larry Brooks wrote today that Zibanejad will likely get between $4.5 million and $5.5 million depending on the length of his contract. (NY Post)

Jeff Gorton said that the Rangers are open to any sort of deal with Zibanejad.

The Rangers have not had an arbitration hearing since 2009 when they walked away from Nikolai Zherdev's award.


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The second buyout window starts shortly after the Rangers' last arbitration hearing (which has not been set). It remains open for 48 hours.

I don't expect them to use it on Staal unless some other deal materializes where the Rangers just have to have the cap space by that time. For example, trading for a center, then Zbad's award comes in, we're over the cap, and need to buy someone out. This to me is a pretty remote possibility.

Just as I had been saying that 2017 is when Girardi buyout started to make sense, 2018 is when a Staal buyout begins to make sense. Of the two, Staal can still play, he just shouldn't be out there in late game and close situations. He's fully capable of being a third pair defenseman on this team, and although the contract is not ideal, we're not in a cap crunch either. It's not preventing us from signing our RFA, it's not hindering us from signing a UFA, promoting a player, etc.

Next year, he'll be a year slower, and the buyout will be significantly less expensive. If you can trade him this year then by all means do that instead, I actually think that could happen if AV would utilize him properly and game his stats a bit. He's already on the wrong side of 30 so push for a trade now rather than waiting, because he'll be 31 at the trade deadline/next year's draft. If we can use his $5.7m and split that cost between the dead cap space and an ELC defenseman that would be ideal.





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Cap room, and roster room. If Graves is ready now, Staal and Holden are in his way.

We could have a top 6 of

McDonagh Shattenkirk
Skjei Smith
Graves DeAngelo

If the cards fall right.... It'll probably take Graves getting time because of injury and us waiting to trade Staal like you said, but Graves will be a player to watch in preseason without question.
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The kids should have some opportunity as injury replacement this year. I seriously doubt all of Bereglazov, Pionk, Graves etc are all ready for a full time role right away.

I also have serious questions about whether DeAngelo can hold a full time job at this level or not. Playing 40 games for the Coyotes is pretty different than playing 80 for the Rangers.

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I think you need to move Holden and get another top 9 forward/C in here. I am sure Gorton is working it. We have enough options to fill the 6th dman role. I wouldn't be concerned about that.

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concust - 2017-07-06 2:52 PM

The kids should have some opportunity as injury replacement this year. I seriously doubt all of Bereglazov, Pionk, Graves etc are all ready for a full time role right away.

I also have serious questions about whether DeAngelo can hold a full time job at this level or not. Playing 40 games for the Coyotes is pretty different than playing 80 for the Rangers.



Well you gotta play your first half season somewhere so why not Arizona. I think he's more ready having played 40 in AZ than getting spoon fed with AV in charge. That and that all things point to it, including the price paid to get him (the trade wasn't all about the #7 overall pick - it was as much or more about D'Angelo IMO).
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Top 4 on the Rangers D into last season were McDonagh, Girardi, Staal and Holden. Top 4 into next season are scheduled to be McDonagh, Shatt, Skjei and Smith. Pretty big upgrade I think. Now go get that C Gorton.


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I think you need to move Holden and get another top 9 forward/C in here. I am sure Gorton is working it. We have enough options to fill the 6th dman role. I wouldn't be concerned about that.



Gonna take A LOT MORE than Holden.
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Of course it will. Maybe Holden and a mid-pick or mid-prospect to the Leafs for Bozak. Something along those lines. And who says Holden has to be dealt for a C. Deal him for 1.65 more cap space and then look to add a C if need be. I'm pretty confident Gorton is working on something.

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You have a much greater value on Holden's market value. The only person I ever heard praising Holden was Roy and after watching him last season, I can understand why. Leafs would have to be brain dead to make that move.
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Holden and a mid-pick or mid-prospect is valuing him highly? Bozak is a 45-50 point guy, who is a UFA next summer, and has zero chance of being back with Toronto given their crazy tight cap situation right now and all the guys they need to sign. Plus they have good forward depth and lack dmen. So no I don't think it is crazy to say Holden and a 3rd or 4th (and maybe a mid prospect also) for Bozak.




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Why would they want Holden?
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Yeah Toronto might bite on a Holden or Staal trade.... Staal..... Who do they have? Matt Hunwick?
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robstones - 2017-07-06 8:06 PM

Yeah Toronto might bite on a Holden or Staal trade.... Staal..... Who do they have? Matt Hunwick?

Send Staal back to the Mother Land
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Ah I see....Mj..The Tribe swung the bats tonight


How does a "contender" struggle against the Padregs????
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Mikey Red - 2017-07-06 11:19 PM

Yeah very good question


Pitching is not as strong this year. Too many junkballers.


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Posted 2017-07-07 3:57 AM (#677724 - in reply to #677153)
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No shot they'd bite on Staal, they need cap space. Bozak at 4.2 down to Holden at 1.65 fits that bill.

Hunwick left, which is another reason they could use a 5/6 dman like Holden.

Obviously very unlikely to happen, but these are the types of things Gorton is looking at I'm sure.

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How quickly people forget that Holden was tremendous for a good part of the season last year. Never ceases to amaze me how the Rangers have 100 points every year and our own fans think all our players suck. Yet, love the players of other teams of which many never make the playoffs. Toronto had a good season but don't kid yourself. Their defenseman suck. Holden would be a big upgrade. Plus trying to play defense in Av's crazy run and gun system is almost impossible unless you have a ton of talent and are an elite skater. Not to mention many of the overpaid, fat cat forwards we've had on this team the past 2 years haven't played very hard defensively. Two which are no longer on the team.
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Holden was ok in the middle of the season, you're right....

But if we look at who's ahead of him on the depth chart.......

McDonagh
Shattenkirk
Skjei
Smith

For sure. Staal probably. Now we're talking about Holden as a 6th man...

That's without getting a look at Tony DeAngelo who could break out this year as a 21 year old, or Ryan Graves as a 22 year old. Both of which could prove to add more than either Staal or Holden in camp....

We could see

McDonagh Shattenkirk
Skjei DeAngelo
Graves Smith

by next season, at least....

Point is, if a team that needs defense like Toronto sees value in either Holden or Staal, then you pull the trigger. We need depth at forward.

Add Neal Pionk and Alexei Bereglazov, and The Rangers potentially have 10 NHL ready defenseman to work with.... wait no, let's not forget Steven Kampfer who they signed to a 2 year extention... that makes 11 D.

When 4 of them are young <23 year old budding talent, room needs to be made for them.

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Fantasy??

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Fantasy. Whatever it is that they're proposing we give up in a trade for a $7m 30+ center, it's too much.

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Problematic for a number of reasons:

1. NYR currently have just 11 forwards signed, with Zibanejad likely to earn between $4.5M and $5.5M as the 12th.
2. Fast is out until November, so you're going to need another wing for a month or two
3. After Klein retired today, NYR have $8.4M in cap space, with Zibanejad to sign
4. Stastny would take $7M of cap space
5. The only "spare" the Rangers really have to trade would be Holden (barring Staal waiving his NTC), and he only earns $1.6M...after that you'd be trading a wing, and suddenly have a hole on the wing.
6. Stastny has hit 60+ points only once in the past 6 seasons (excluding the lockout year), and has 40,49 and 46 in the last three (going backwards)
7. Stastny has also missed 51 games in the last four seasons with various injuries

Assuming Zibanejad earns $5M, then that gives the NYR $3.4M plus potentially Holden's $1.6M to play with....a total of $5M...I don't see an obvious way to get beyond that
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I want no part of Stastny, but don't forget teams can retain %'s of cap hits. After we resign Ziban I think we'll have about 3.5 to 4 mill. If we can move Holden we should have 5 mill of cap space left as you mention Fish. Enough to add a top 9 C/forward, which I think will be added (Bozak?). But not a huge ticket item. And again I don't want Stastny anyway.

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Shattenkirk NYR - 2017-07-07 9:38 AM

I want no part of Stastny, but don't forget teams can retain %'s of cap hits. After we resign Ziban I think we'll have about 3.5 to 4 mill. If we can move Holden we should have 5 mill of cap space left as you mention Fish. Enough to add a top 9 C/forward, which I think will be added (Bozak?). But not a huge ticket item. And again I don't want Stastny anyway.



It's a fair point on the salary retention...should have included that, though that increases the cost of the trade.

Could probably also add

- Why would St Louis be looking to move Stastny?
- Why would St Louis be willing to retain salary?
- What does St Louis need that we have - they have 15 forwards signed (8 at $1M or lower, with only 2 on ELCs), and 5 D-man, plus Parayko as an RFA
- Does St Louis need to clear cap space - they have ~$7M with just Parayko to sign, forwards and goalies or set
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Like I said, I have zero interest in Stastny who has been trending down for a while. I agree with you before we even discuss match on a possible trade.

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Holden is cheap insurance for the eventual injuries to the d. There is no way the Rangers should let him go unless the trade is a huge tilt to the Rangers favor. Holden was pretty steady for most of last season. He is going to handle heavy minutes better than Staal, DeAngelo, or Kampfer.
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Stastny would be excellent if we could make it work. Article says St. Louis only have 5 D as of now.... And this is Stastny's last year on that contract. They can either trade him or lose him for nothing.... unless they plan to resign, which I doubt.

He wins faceoffs and can score. 40pts in 66 games isn't bad. Better defensively than Stepan. Staal for Paul!

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Come back to reality please rob....

They are not taking Staal for Stastny. And that doesn't even get into the fact that Staal would have to approve of the trade.

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Stastny would be excellent if we could make it work. Article says St. Louis only have 5 D as of now.... And this is Stastny's last year on that contract. They can either trade him or lose him for nothing.... unless they plan to resign, which I doubt.

He wins faceoffs and can score. 40pts in 66 games isn't bad. Better defensively than Stepan. Staal for Paul!






Well considering Gorton has backed himself into a corner with what looks like no escape plan he could do worse. The Rangers need a top 2 centre. He would do for a year. Pretty sure it would take more than Staal and his contract, maybe throw in little D.
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robstones - 2017-07-07 1:17 PM

Stastny would be excellent if we could make it work. Article says St. Louis only have 5 D as of now.... And this is Stastny's last year on that contract. They can either trade him or lose him for nothing.... unless they plan to resign, which I doubt.

He wins faceoffs and can score. 40pts in 66 games isn't bad. Better defensively than Stepan. Staal for Paul!



St Louis have five SIGNED D, and a sixth, Parayko is an RFA. They have plenty of money to sign him, with over $7M in cap space. They do have 4 right defensemen listed though
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Well considering Gorton has backed himself into a corner with what looks like no escape plan he could do worse. The Rangers need a top 2 centre. He would do for a year. Pretty sure it would take more than Staal and his contract, maybe throw in little D.


I think the nature of the Cap is such that you're always likely to have some holes or other. Look at Pittsburgh last season, their defense was pretty ordinary, and they're top heavy on the offense. If you have a couple of key injuries, you're toast...

As for Gorton, I've actually been surprised at what he's been able to accomplish given the commitments that his predecessor signed the team up for...
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Say what you want, but I think Gorton has done a pretty incredible job transforming this team in just 2 summers. We are younger and I think better, and outside of Staal don't have any bad contracts left. He added the # 7 pick in the draft this year. Added a past 1st round dman in DeAngelo. Stuck to his guns and got Shatt here for a more than reasonable contract. A major tip of the cap to Gorton who truly has done a great job in a short period of time thus far I think. I expect him to eventually get us to the promise land.

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Fish - 2017-07-07 4:35 PM

robstones - 2017-07-07 1:17 PM

Stastny would be excellent if we could make it work. Article says St. Louis only have 5 D as of now.... And this is Stastny's last year on that contract. They can either trade him or lose him for nothing.... unless they plan to resign, which I doubt.

He wins faceoffs and can score. 40pts in 66 games isn't bad. Better defensively than Stepan. Staal for Paul!



St Louis have five SIGNED D, and a sixth, Parayko is an RFA. They have plenty of money to sign him, with over $7M in cap space. They do have 4 right defensemen listed though


Yeah, and only carrying 6 isn't smart. They could use Staal
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Well considering Gorton has backed himself into a corner with what looks like no escape plan he could do worse. The Rangers need a top 2 centre. He would do for a year. Pretty sure it would take more than Staal and his contract, maybe throw in little D.


I think the nature of the Cap is such that you're always likely to have some holes or other. Look at Pittsburgh last season, their defense was pretty ordinary, and they're top heavy on the offense. If you have a couple of key injuries, you're toast...

As for Gorton, I've actually been surprised at what he's been able to accomplish given the commitments that his predecessor signed the team up for...




Pittsburgh had three or four defenseman at various times missing in the playoffs because of injuries not cap restraints. Tip of the cap to them for overcoming that. I don't mind the trade of Stepan, I'm not gushing over what they got back because Raanta was also in the deal. The cap return was a bit of a X factor and ultimately led to Arizona getting the deal. So it is what it is. I don't mind Gortons moves either, but when you get rid of a core guy like Stepan you better have a backup plan, it appears he doesn't unless it's Miller. Or he'd have pulled the trigger. David Desharnais does not come close to replacing Stepan and at his point in time the only viable option on the Rangers is Vigneault's blame guy Miller. I expect Miller to last about a week into training camp at centre. Then I guess we see.
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I don't care what anybody says. Ruff was brought here to replace AV if they don't have a long run. I'm sure it's not lost on Gorton that Pitt's coach who used to work for us is a hard nosed, defense first kind of guy. While Torts is over the top with shot blocking and defense. AV doesn't pay nearly enough attention to defense.
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itsmcilrathtime - 2017-07-08 5:30 AM

I don't care what anybody says. Ruff was brought here to replace AV if they don't have a long run. I'm sure it's not lost on Gorton that Pitt's coach who used to work for us is a hard nosed, defense first kind of guy. While Torts is over the top with shot blocking and defense. AV doesn't pay nearly enough attention to defense.


Maybe not, but if they don't make a deep run because we still blame the defense, and Ruff is the defense coach....

AV could be to blame for a not so solid defense, sure. But Stepan and Girardi are no longer with this team... as we've discussed, Staal and Holden are both on their way out, or at least demoted to the bottom 6

I think the roster changes will help as much as anything....

And if not, then yeah they have a capable assistant coach with plenty of head coaching experience to take over. I don't think AV's job is any more in limbo than it ever was.

Instead the coaching duo should prove a strong combination. I don't remember the last time I've seen two coaches with their established resumes behind the same bench before.

Depth at the coach possition haha

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Shattenkirk NYR - 2017-07-07 12:38 PM

I want no part of Stastny, but don't forget teams can retain %'s of cap hits. After we resign Ziban I think we'll have about 3.5 to 4 mill. If we can move Holden we should have 5 mill of cap space left as you mention Fish. Enough to add a top 9 C/forward, which I think will be added (Bozak?). But not a huge ticket item. And again I don't want Stastny anyway.



I don't see why there is any interest in Bozak, Both he and Stastny are 31 and UFA next year; so they would be basically rentals. Both score about the same. Both have suffered injuries. Both are good on face offs. Only the cap hit is different (Bozak - $4.2M; Stastny - $7.0M).

There have got to be better options. I'll leave it to Gorton.
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Shattenkirk NYR - 2017-07-07 12:38 PM

I want no part of Stastny, but don't forget teams can retain %'s of cap hits. After we resign Ziban I think we'll have about 3.5 to 4 mill. If we can move Holden we should have 5 mill of cap space left as you mention Fish. Enough to add a top 9 C/forward, which I think will be added (Bozak?). But not a huge ticket item. And again I don't want Stastny anyway.



I don't see why there is any interest in Bozak, Both he and Stastny are 31 and UFA next year; so they would be basically rentals. Both score about the same. Both have suffered injuries. Both are good on face offs. Only the cap hit is different (Bozak - $4.2M; Stastny - $7.0M).

There have got to be better options. I'll leave it to Gorton.


Not every move has to be about building for the future. We also want to win now.

Andersson may or may not be ready this year. If he's not, then next year he should be that much closer. Chytil too.... We don't want to block those guys from making the roster, so getting a rental this year isn't a bad move

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I think you answered your own question with regards to Bozak over Stastny, cap hit. 7 mill compared to 4.2 mill is a huge difference. And as rob said it's a one year thing, and that's fine.

Look, I am very excited for the season to get here. We have clearly upgraded our D from a real bad unit, to maybe a top 5 or so unit in the whole NHL. We also still need another top 9 C/forward added, and we should be able to get that done before the season starts.

8.4 mill of cap space right now. We can easily increase that to 10 mill by dealing Holden. 4.5/5 of that goes to Ziban. So we are left with 5 to 5.5 mill of cap space after we resign him. We will "invest" at least 4 mill of that into the team you'd think. So we have the ability to make a move and add someone prior to the season, and I think Gorton will.

I like this team a lot. I love the D as mentioned. I think we once again have good depth upfront (assuming we add the one more forward I mentioned). And we have guys who should trend up next season in Ziban, Miller, Vesey, Buch and we'll see on Kreider and Hayes. The only forward that strikes me as a clear come down from last season guy is Grabner, so I think we have good upside upfront. And in goal I believe in Hank to be very good for another season or two. And while I don't love Pavelec I do trust Allaire and I am sure he played a role in making the decision to go with Pavelec.

So I'm excited and believe we have a chance to be in the 4 or 5 range in the East, 2nd or 3rd in the Met, and then from these we'll see how it goes in the playoffs.

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Shattenkirk NYR - 2017-07-08 10:19 AM

8.4 mill of cap space right now. We can easily increase that to 10 mill by dealing Holden. 4.5/5 of that goes to Ziban. So we are left with 5 to 5.5 mill of cap space after we resign him. We will "invest" at least 4 mill of that into the team you'd think. So we have the ability to make a move and add someone prior to the season, and I think Gorton will.



We have the opposite problem this year as we have had in years past - we have space to sign player(s) but there's not much available and there's less every day.

Not a big fan of the Bozak/Stastny scenarios. In either case you're giving up assets for an expensive one year rental. While the term is right, I don't think we'll be able to get either guy for a third round pick so these options are off the table.

If Miller moves to center you've robbed peter to pay paul, and then you have to fill another hole on wing. Not to mention, Fast starts the season on the IR, and we need a 13th forward anyway.

Jussi Jokkinen should have been signed as additional middle-6 depth, but he signed for cheap with Edmonton. He was the best option at this point and now he's off the table. The longer we wait to do this the more likely we end up with a Matt Lombardi or some other guy that's a fringe NHL'er. By my count we need at minimum 2 additional forwards. If that's not from UFA that means they're pretty confident in some of the kids on the farm. Niklas Jensen may be a serviceable fill in until Fast returns. Nieves might be ready although saying that based on half a season in Hartford puts a lot of faith in him. The only other option I see is Andersson, who might be ready for a 4C role but I think that's a longer shot also. We'll have to see how he compares to the other prospects when Traverse City starts.

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I think you answered your own question with regards to Bozak over Stastny, cap hit. 7 mill compared to 4.2 mill is a huge difference. And as rob said it's a one year thing, and that's fine.

Look, I am very excited for the season to get here. We have clearly upgraded our D from a real bad unit, to maybe a top 5 or so unit in the whole NHL. We also still need another top 9 C/forward added, and we should be able to get that done before the season starts.

8.4 mill of cap space right now. We can easily increase that to 10 mill by dealing Holden. 4.5/5 of that goes to Ziban. So we are left with 5 to 5.5 mill of cap space after we resign him. We will "invest" at least 4 mill of that into the team you'd think. So we have the ability to make a move and add someone prior to the season, and I think Gorton will.

I like this team a lot. I love the D as mentioned. I think we once again have good depth upfront (assuming we add the one more forward I mentioned). And we have guys who should trend up next season in Ziban, Miller, Vesey, Buch and we'll see on Kreider and Hayes. The only forward that strikes me as a clear come down from last season guy is Grabner, so I think we have good upside upfront. And in goal I believe in Hank to be very good for another season or two. And while I don't love Pavelec I do trust Allaire and I am sure he played a role in making the decision to go with Pavelec.

So I'm excited and believe we have a chance to be in the 4 or 5 range in the East, 2nd or 3rd in the Met, and then from these we'll see how it goes in the playoffs.





4th or 5th range in the east is exactly where we were last year points wise!!
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Posted 2017-07-08 11:20 AM (#677774 - in reply to #677153)
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I do think we can get Bozak for Holden and a 3rd (maybe a mid-prospect included or instead). I don't think Bozak would cost a ton. I don't view that return as a ton or giving up real future assets. Bozak is the type of guy we can/should aim for.

And yes, I think we'll only be a little better points wise than this past season, but look at how last season happened. Early in the year we rolled teams. Amassed a bunch of points. Didn't play nearly as well the 2nd half of the season and down the stretch. And our overall numbers and stats were not great. But we were right there to make the ECF losing a series we really should have won (which doesn't mean sh*t because we lost). But the playoffs are what really matter. So I'm fine if we get a few more points and most likely finish 2nd or 3rd in the Met, then we'll see where we go from there.

To me I like next seasons team better than this past seasons team, but that may not equal a bunch more points because of how this past season went as mentioned. That's okay though because the playoffs are what really matter.



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Posted 2017-07-08 1:54 PM (#677775 - in reply to #677767)
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I don't care what anybody says. Ruff was brought here to replace AV if they don't have a long run. I'm sure it's not lost on Gorton that Pitt's coach who used to work for us is a hard nosed, defense first kind of guy. While Torts is over the top with shot blocking and defense. AV doesn't pay nearly enough attention to defense.


Maybe not, but if they don't make a deep run because we still blame the defense, and Ruff is the defense coach....

AV could be to blame for a not so solid defense, sure. But Stepan and Girardi are no longer with this team... as we've discussed, Staal and Holden are both on their way out, or at least demoted to the bottom 6

I think the roster changes will help as much as anything....

And if not, then yeah they have a capable assistant coach with plenty of head coaching experience to take over. I don't think AV's job is any more in limbo than it ever was.

Instead the coaching duo should prove a strong combination. I don't remember the last time I've seen two coaches with their established resumes behind the same bench before.

Depth at the coach possition haha





Ruff has Schoenfeld and Drury in his corner. They know him well and probably their presence had a lot to do with him coming. Samuelson and Beukeboom both did admirable jobs at their defensive coach positions prior to joining the Rangers. Blame fell on them and now both are gone. At some point in time accountability has to move up the ladder. Ruffs Buffalo teams had very ordinary defensemen yet got the job done.
This is Vigneaults signature season and it's on him now. His shelf life is just about done. Ruff is here as much for replacement insurance as he is to try to prop up double mints weak and unreliable defensive zone system.
Vigneault's inability to tap into Miller, Hayes, and Kreider's untapped potential is also under the microscope. The Derek Stepan wreck had to be noted, the guy literally turned off the effort the last two seasons and nothing appeared to be done about it. Never missed a shift. Numerous questionable personnell placements including losing players on the bench, have all lead to Vigneault being on a slippery slope of his own doing.
I would welcome and not be suprised, the first hiccup of the season a change is made.
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Posted 2017-07-08 2:27 PM (#677776 - in reply to #677153)
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I didn't feel like quoting the conversation, but as far as placement in the conference goes, who's going to be better them The Rangers this season?

Looking at Pittsburgh and maybe Ottawa... Columbus.... Montreal probably competes again

I think Washington is done. They fight to make the playoffs this year imo

As a matter of fact I'd say depending on how The Rangers round out their offense, that NYR, CBJ, and I guess The Debbies too are the only teams I can think of that improved over the Summer....

That's an off the cuff statement... I may be forgetting something, but all signs point to a better season this year
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Posted 2017-07-08 2:48 PM (#677778 - in reply to #677153)
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CBJ, Pitt and TB are the 3 likely teams to be ahead of the Rangers heading in (some team from the Atlantic needs to be ahead of the Rangers ranking wise). Montreal no way I don't think, I don't like that team at all. They'll be good because of Price, but I like our talent better for sure. I think the Sens were over their heads this past season, and they had less points than us in the regular season as well. The Leafs are a wild card team. Have talent, maybe need another year of seasoning and growth on D. But also could be real big next season if all clicks.

So I'll stick with my 4th or 5th in the East, maybe 3rd is possible. I'll say 2nd or 3rd in the Met if I was predicting today. Which I am 100% fine with.

I agree we will be a better team next season, even if our point total only goes up marginally.




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Shattenkirk NYR - 2017-07-08 3:48 PM

I agree we will be a better team next season, even if our point total only goes up marginally.




TBH I don't know if we'll be a better team next season judging by wins or points. Defense has been upgraded but forward group has lost more than they've replaced. We were lucky to put the money in the bank the first half of last season, if we did not start that hot we do not make the playoffs. I think Grabner's scoring comes back to earth, and I don't know that any of the other forwards are going to take a big leap forward to make up for it either. Say what you want about Stepan but that's 55 points that's not going to be replaced by Desharnais and Nieves. Vesey may step up his production a bit (also a good time to point out I was 100% right about his production last year), Hayes and Zbad will probably see small bumps if they can stay healthy, just due to increased ice time. I don't see anyone else taking a big leap forward as far as production. Maybe the addition of Shattenkirk pushes up the production from the blueline - I think that's the hope but we'll have to see if it actually translates. I mean, who comes to the Rangers and scores MORE points than they did previously? Nobody.
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Yeah Stepan's production is replaced by Shattenkirks....

Desharnais can and should be more productive than Lindberg....

They'll almost certainly add depth at forward before the season starts, so the offensive production is a wash.... The PP should be upgraded even slighty from Shattenkirk, too.

When you pair that with what should be an improved defense, and we're talking about a better team

Zibanejad should be looking at a career year.... Grabner may not score at the same pace, but he'll still be effective doing what he does, using his speed.

What other move(s) are made this off season will decide just how much better this year's team is than last years'. If we end up with a solid center as we've been talking about.... Any of them.... Duchene. Bozak. Stastny.

Hell even Daniel Winnik would be pretty good...
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DaTeL - 2017-07-08 2:52 AM

I think Petr Nedved is available.


So are Dvorak and Hlavac... both 40.. To Believe Nedveds final attempt at the NHL was with the Rangers 9 years ago this month... time flies.


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Posted 2017-07-09 4:59 AM (#677783 - in reply to #677779)
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concust - 2017-07-08 6:28 PM

Shattenkirk NYR - 2017-07-08 3:48 PM

I agree we will be a better team next season, even if our point total only goes up marginally.




TBH I don't know if we'll be a better team next season judging by wins or points. Defense has been upgraded but forward group has lost more than they've replaced. We were lucky to put the money in the bank the first half of last season, if we did not start that hot we do not make the playoffs. I think Grabner's scoring comes back to earth, and I don't know that any of the other forwards are going to take a big leap forward to make up for it either. Say what you want about Stepan but that's 55 points that's not going to be replaced by Desharnais and Nieves. Vesey may step up his production a bit (also a good time to point out I was 100% right about his production last year), Hayes and Zbad will probably see small bumps if they can stay healthy, just due to increased ice time. I don't see anyone else taking a big leap forward as far as production. Maybe the addition of Shattenkirk pushes up the production from the blueline - I think that's the hope but we'll have to see if it actually translates. I mean, who comes to the Rangers and scores MORE points than they did previously? Nobody.

I think they need to add another top 9 C/forward as mentioned. Plus you are not factoring in Buch should see a jump in production also. Shatt will make up for a chunk of Stepan's production. I agree about Grabner as mentioned. And I'm also not sure how much their overall point totals rise as they did perform really well early and then had a lot of questionable play the 2nd half of the season as I mentioned.

But even if the point total is similar/only marginally better, I think the team will be better. Their peripheral #'s were not good this past season. I believe they could see only a small bump in points but see the team be a much better team all around, a team much more equipped on paper to do good things in the playoffs.

Who knows what will happen with 3 months left until the season starts, all I can say right now is I am excited. I think with a good final move in the summer this team can be a real good team with a real shot to make a good run in the East.

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Posted 2017-07-09 6:42 AM (#677784 - in reply to #677153)
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The defense is undoubtedly better, especially since we'll have a full season of Smith also. If Holden/Pionk/Bereglazov/DeAngelo/etc can be decent, and Staal can be sheltered, that should improve the defense overall AND give us a bump in goaltending.

We need more forward depth though. Rangers have been fairly healthy the last few years but injuries can and will happen. Right now we have 11F signed, Zibanejad is the 12th, but we need someone to cover Fast's IR and we need a 13th forward at least. Past that it would be good to have another platoon veteran that can play in Hartford but is not going to be a huge question mark, or a disaster if called up. Jensen should get a good look early in the season. I think Nieves will too but he's got almost no NHL experience so that will be a huge question mark. Andersson hasn't even played in NA and is 18 so can't rely on him. Need at least 2 forwards by my count. Wish they would have signed Jokkinen, there's not much left but I might take a one year flyer Korpikoski. He's good for 20 pts a season, defensively responsible, has played bottom-6 pretty much his whole career. Has good speed, would fit the AV system.
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Posted 2017-07-09 6:59 AM (#677785 - in reply to #677153)
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What's funny is I'm not too concerned about F for two reasons:

1. I expect Gorton to add a top 9 before the season starts. BTW...Brooks is a moron but he mentions Bozak in his article today (tied to Holden). I think he'd be a great fit here as a R shot who can win face-offs and score 50 points +/- (a better face-off little less defensive Stepan).

2. You can get forwards. It is much more difficult to get good dmen, and as you point out concust we are no doubt better on D, so that shouldn't be a need next season. And if the response is yeah but it is so hard to get a true # 1 C, my response is we are not getting a true # 1 C so I cannot get worked up over it. Our strength upfront is depth, and if we add a C in the same ball park as Ziban and Hayes (Bozak) we'll be all set with good depth and 3 solid C's again. And even if "worst case" Miller is a C and we add a top 9 winger, I can live with it.

Right now our top 9 is Ziban, Hayes, Miller, Zucc, Nash, Kreider, Buch, Vesey, and Grabner. Would I love to add another top 9 and move Grabner down to the 4th line with Fast (when ready) and Deshar, yes I would (and I expect that to happen as mentioned). But if worst case that was our top 9 to start the season, with a lot of cap space, that isn't bad and is still a pretty deep 9. And then we have space and flexibility to add the C/forward we need in season. I think that would be okay also.

I wouldn't mind taking a flier for the 4th line/depth on Korp. And don't forget we also have Puempel with Boo and Jensen for some depth.






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Posted 2017-07-09 5:39 PM (#677789 - in reply to #677153)
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I completely forgot Puempel existed
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Posted 2017-07-10 9:59 AM (#677792 - in reply to #677789)
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I completely forgot Puempel existed


please God no regarding Puempel. If that's an optioned we are doomed for sure.

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Posted 2017-07-10 10:23 AM (#677793 - in reply to #677792)
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concust - 2017-07-09 7:39 PM


I completely forgot Puempel existed


please God no regarding Puempel. If that's an optioned we are doomed for sure.



On the 4th line while Fast gets well? Why?
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concust - 2017-07-09 7:39 PM


I completely forgot Puempel existed


please God no regarding Puempel. If that's an optioned we are doomed for sure.



On the 4th line while Fast gets well? Why?


To my eyes I saw nothing in his game that says he deserves to be in the NHL on any line. Would much rather have had Hrivik or Jensen in the lineup when Puempel was used last year. Soft on the puck, no defensive bone in his body, can't make a tape to tape pass ever. Yeah - I'll take my chances with any rookie first
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Posted 2017-07-10 1:29 PM (#677797 - in reply to #677153)
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Hrivik is gone, not qualified.

I'd definitely like to get a good look at Jensen before Puempel. Jensen should be NHL-ready, he needs game time to evaluate if he can stick or not. I am not as critical of Puempel, but he is what he is. There's not 20 goals in the guy unless you play 150 games a season. Let's see if Jensen can cut it.
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Hrivik is gone, not qualified.

I'd definitely like to get a good look at Jensen before Puempel. Jensen should be NHL-ready, he needs game time to evaluate if he can stick or not. I am not as critical of Puempel, but he is what he is. There's not 20 goals in the guy unless you play 150 games a season. Let's see if Jensen can cut it.


I know he's gone and I know Puempel was resigned. Just was saying that LAST SEASON, I'd have rather seen Hrivik or Jensen before Puempel at any point in the season.
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Posted 2017-07-11 9:06 AM (#677817 - in reply to #677153)
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Its out there from Howard Berger that the Leafs are talking to Calgary, Avs and NYR...looking to offload salary for a D man
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Posted 2017-07-11 9:20 AM (#677818 - in reply to #677153)
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LIKE I SAID...Bozak for Holden and a little sweetener....

If Gorton can pull off a trade like that, I don't see many weaknesses on this team. We'd be in a real good spot to be a threat for a long run.




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Posted 2017-07-11 11:03 AM (#677819 - in reply to #677818)
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Shattenkirk NYR - 2017-07-11 10:20 AM

LIKE I SAID...Bozak for Holden and a little sweetener....

If Gorton can pull off a trade like that, I don't see many weaknesses on this team. We'd be in a real good spot to be a threat for a long run.




That would be much better but I still see forward depth as a potential issue. Namely the lack of elite-level scoring. Rangers have done it by committee the last couple of years and it doesn't look like this year will be any different. I bet Buchnevich sees a gain in his production, maybe Zbad gets a bump also. Aside from that you will probably have a few guys 50-60 points, a few 40-50, and the rest scattered around the bottom. Rangers haven't had a 70+ point scorer since Gaborik in 2012.

I bring this up because in general, our playoff exit is caused in large part because the scoring dried up. Last year was one step forward in the scoring department and two steps back in defense and goaltending. If Hank can be simply "above average", combined with the expected improvement in the defense, then we're back to square one - the scoring ability of the forward corps.
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Posted 2017-07-11 11:13 AM (#677821 - in reply to #677153)
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Maybe try to get JVR...He is younger and also a UFA after this coming Season
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Posted 2017-07-11 12:52 PM (#677822 - in reply to #677153)
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I don't disagree concust, but if that is the benchmark for us we're bound to be letdown. I don't see us adding an elite level scorer, so we need to have depth to try and overcome that. I think we would have that depth if we added a Bozak type (with a much improved D compared to the past couple of seasons with Stepan in for Bozak).

Kreider-Ziban-Buch
Vesey-Hayes-Nash
Miller-Bozak- Zucc
Grab-Deshar-Fast

McD-Shatt
Skjei-Smith
Staal-DeAngelo-another kid

Those forwards, backed up by the very good and deep puck moving D we now have, and Hank in goal I really think we'd be in a great spot to be a real good team, and have as good a shot as any team to make a long run. Maybe we'd be 2 or 3 in the East, but come playoff time I'd go to battle with this team.

Plus Buch and Vesey are candidates to take jumps up in their 2nd seasons I'd say. They may struggle like Hayes did in his 2nd season, but in theory on paper they should improve.




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Posted 2017-07-11 12:56 PM (#677823 - in reply to #677153)
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How do you have an unproven in Buch on the top line? and Grabner on the 4th?
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Mikey Red - 2017-07-11 1:56 PM

How do you have an unproven in Buch on the top line? and Grabner on the 4th?


I think the point is to illustrate depth... you could easily switch Buch with Nash or Zucc and come to the same conclusion. Also I'd put Miller back with Hayes and Vesey on "Bozak's line", whichever number line you want to call it. It's really about maximizing the chemistry and the talent versus what the numbers of the lines are.

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Mikey Red - 2017-07-11 1:13 PM

Maybe try to get JVR...He is younger and also a UFA after this coming Season


And a Jersey boy Rangers fan
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robstones - 2017-07-11 1:08 PM

Mikey Red - 2017-07-11 1:13 PM

Maybe try to get JVR...He is younger and also a UFA after this coming Season


And a Jersey boy Rangers fan

Yep ...I dig it
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Posted 2017-07-11 1:34 PM (#677827 - in reply to #677153)
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Exactly concust. No real order there, just guys I threw together to show depth. Mix the lines however you want.

As for JVR, don't see it happening. I think they'd want to keep him and rather let Bozak go, and I would have to think a player of JVR's talent would get a better return. Won't dismiss it if possible, but think Bozak is a much more realistic target. And on the plus side he is great on face-offs, something we need for sure.

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Posted 2017-07-11 1:42 PM (#677828 - in reply to #677153)
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In one playoff series we scored 14 goals in 6 games and we won. In the other we scored 20 in 6 games and lost. In the final 3 losses we gave up 15 goals and scored 11. Give up 3 goals or less per game and you win 2 of those and the series is over. Sorry but we had a defense problem.

Going back prior years we had trouble scoring, but when you can't get the puck out of your zone, it's hard to score enough.
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Posted 2017-07-11 2:01 PM (#677832 - in reply to #677153)
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In the Ottawa series D/goaltending was the clear issue. Throughout our run the past 6 years or so O has been a big issue in the playoffs. The past two playoff seasons were more about D though I think. That is why I believe if we added a Bozak type combined with the D we now have, we could be a very dangerous team.

The past two seasons our D has been awful (forwards helping out in their own zone has been subpar as well). We have clearly improved the D. Adding a Bozak type would essentially put the O worst case status quo with last season, and potentially better with Shatt's O on D, and growth of a couple of players.

Get it done Gorton.

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Vua - 2017-07-11 2:42 PM

Sorry but we had a defense problem.



That is what I said... one step forward in terms of scoring, but two steps back in defense and goaltending.

Previous years yes, Hank was sharper, and the defense was tighter, but we couldn't score worth sh*t. It seemed like we solved one problem and exposed two others.

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Posted 2017-07-11 2:18 PM (#677837 - in reply to #677153)
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SO let's have two steps forward on D by adding Shatt keeping Smith and having good kids ready to go soon. AND stay status quo on O if we add the Bozak type. Then we have no problems. Nothing to expose anymore. Fixed the D. Kept the O and depth on O similar. Let's win the cup. Hope Hank has another year or two in him at a very good level.



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Posted 2017-07-11 2:20 PM (#677838 - in reply to #677153)
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If this Sherskin kid is the real deal...I wish he didnt sign a 3 year contract. Henrik is done
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Posted 2017-07-11 2:30 PM (#677839 - in reply to #677153)
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Crazy as it sounds, IF we add a Bozak type you could argue heading into the season Hank's play could be the biggest question mark on the team. I believe in him and think he has a couple more very good years in him, but I don't see how anyone can be 100% confident he will play at a high level next season. I am hopeful, and think he can/will when needed most, but it could be our biggest question mark if we add another F/C like Bozak.

Crazy, but the day had to come.

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Posted 2017-07-11 2:53 PM (#677842 - in reply to #677153)
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2014 SCF ...We had the lead in all 3 games in LA....we lost all 3 ...Sure plenty of factors go into it...but bottom line is he didnt get it done...He is not money
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Posted 2017-07-11 2:58 PM (#677843 - in reply to #677837)
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Shattenkirk NYR - 2017-07-11 2:18 PM

SO let's have two steps forward on D by adding Shatt keeping Smith and having good kids ready to go soon. AND stay status quo on O if we add the Bozak type. Then we have no problems. Nothing to expose anymore. Fixed the D. Kept the O and depth on O similar. Let's win the cup. Hope Hank has another year or two in him at a very good level.



Nothing to expose anymore:

How about a horrible PP? How about not one physical line out of the four?

I know that some people don't think you need physicality anymore, but that's one of the reasons Ottawa beat us, they were more physical. The Rangers couldn't even finish off a 170 pound one legged man!
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Posted 2017-07-11 3:00 PM (#677844 - in reply to #677153)
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Another reason we lost was clearly AV!! Well we still have him, and his coaching will be exposed again!
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Posted 2017-07-11 3:08 PM (#677845 - in reply to #677153)
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The PP I think we'll be okay. The physical part I agree with you on. We played physical against Montreal. I actually don't think physical play had that much to do with us losing the Ottawa series (we can disagree there). Clearing the front and staying sound in our own end...yes for sure. But we do lack a physical element, cannot deny that.

With that said, I think we'd be set up real nice with that one more move.


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Posted 2017-07-11 3:13 PM (#677846 - in reply to #677153)
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Henrik sub .500 in Playoffs...but he's "The King"


Of course the Goalie and coach carry the records around with them, and the other players don't. But watching pretty much all of Hanks playoff games, he's carried the Rangers in many more games than where the games loss was his fault. Some will say they only made the playoffs, and gone that deep because of Hank. Hank can't win faceoffs or score on the PP.

For 3 years the Rangers have had the lowest goal output for teams that have made it so far into the playoffs. Had Nash or Richards showed up in a few of those games there the Rangers would've won a Cup or two.








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Rangerjunkie - 2017-07-11 5:00 PM

Another reason we lost was clearly AV!! Well we still have him, and his coaching will be exposed again!


I wasn't on the fire AV bus until that last series against Ottawa... horrible - horrible - inexcusable coaching... How many leads did we lose in the final minutes because AV had Steps taking face-offs and Staal and Holden out there?

I'm surprised he hasn't been fired. To get up in front of the podium after a major playoff loss after having a major lead.... and admit you lost track of Smith and Skjei for an entire period... awful! AV doesn't know how to coach a team with a lead.


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Posted 2017-07-11 5:26 PM (#677850 - in reply to #677153)
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Rangerjunkie - 2017-07-11 3:00 PM

Another reason we lost was clearly AV!! Well we still have him, and his coaching will be exposed again!

All rise for the Judge !
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Posted 2017-07-11 5:33 PM (#677852 - in reply to #677848)
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Mikey Red - 2017-07-11 4:16 PM

Henrik sub .500 in Playoffs...but he's "The King"


Of course the Goalie and coach carry the records around with them, and the other players don't. But watching pretty much all of Hanks playoff games, he's carried the Rangers in many more games than where the games loss was his fault. Some will say they only made the playoffs, and gone that deep because of Hank. Hank can't win faceoffs or score on the PP.

For 3 years the Rangers have had the lowest goal output for teams that have made it so far into the playoffs. Had Nash or Richards showed up in a few of those games there the Rangers would've won a Cup or two.









I hear ya and you are right. But in 2014 SCF we had the lead in 3 games and lost em all...We could of won that series
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Posted 2017-07-11 5:43 PM (#677853 - in reply to #677851)
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Rangerjunkie - 2017-07-11 3:00 PM

Another reason we lost was clearly AV!! Well we still have him, and his coaching will be exposed again!

All rise for the Judge !


Hahaha you got that right!! He put on a show last night
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Posted 2017-07-11 5:46 PM (#677854 - in reply to #677153)
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Mikey Red - 2017-07-11 7:33 PM

Andy Bathgate - 2017-07-11 5:17 PM

Mikey Red - 2017-07-11 4:16 PM

Henrik sub .500 in Playoffs...but he's "The King"


Of course the Goalie and coach carry the records around with them, and the other players don't. But watching pretty much all of Hanks playoff games, he's carried the Rangers in many more games than where the games loss was his fault. Some will say they only made the playoffs, and gone that deep because of Hank. Hank can't win faceoffs or score on the PP.

For 3 years the Rangers have had the lowest goal output for teams that have made it so far into the playoffs. Had Nash or Richards showed up in a few of those games there the Rangers would've won a Cup or two.









I hear ya and you are right. But in 2014 SCF we had the lead in 3 games and lost em all...We could of won that series


We certainly could've... in a couple of those games the Rangers came into to the third with a goal or two lead, where they turtled and let LA completely pour the pressure on. I'm not this big Hank protector, but find it hard to simply blame him, when in actuality so much crap was going on around him.... at the end of the day he's the goalie and will get blamed... unfortunately he's not superman, and in many many occasions his own teammates treated him like he were and didn't show up.


Also, they're lack of scoring hurt them the whole entire playoffs, how many games were a recording breaking 1 goal games (incredible pressure on a goalie) and how many series could the Rangers have closed out sooner relieving pressure and maybe not being so banged up against LA... how many wide open nets did Richards miss, at least a dozen... Nash had 3 goals in 25 games.








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Mikey Red - 2017-07-11 7:46 PM

Dam he hit the ball a mile...I wish one landed and KO'd AV

Well it won't be Ted Nolan,he got the job already.AV and his wife can sleep well since Teddy will be far away in Europe
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Posted 2017-07-11 6:51 PM (#677858 - in reply to #677857)
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Mikey Red - 2017-07-11 7:46 PM

Dam he hit the ball a mile...I wish one landed and KO'd AV

Well it won't be Ted Nolan,he got the job already.AV and his wife can sleep well since Teddy will be far away in Europe

He he he Blue would you crack him with a Stella if you had the chance to take him out?
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Posted 2017-07-11 6:59 PM (#677859 - in reply to #677153)
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Stella is well too valuable to waste.
I am not a violent person unless its Mandar Vrbandatian we are talking about.
I would knock him down with one kick.
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Posted 2017-07-11 7:09 PM (#677860 - in reply to #677153)
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Posted 2017-07-11 7:10 PM (#677861 - in reply to #677153)
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Are you in the backyard in the dark on the lap top?
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Posted 2017-07-11 7:56 PM (#677863 - in reply to #677153)
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I was outside but I do that on my phone.
It's nice out but I have a mesh over my patio umbrella to keep me safe from mosquitoes.
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Posted 2017-07-11 7:58 PM (#677864 - in reply to #677153)
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I was outside but I do that on my phone.
It's nice out but I have a mesh over my patio umbrella to keep me safe from mosquitoes.
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Posted 2017-07-11 8:05 PM (#677865 - in reply to #677153)
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Posted 2017-07-11 8:52 PM (#677866 - in reply to #677153)
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Lol booo Yeah we cant have you getting the Zika virus
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Lol booo Yeah we cant have you getting the Zika virus
God save us from clintonistas virus.Lets go Rangers.

BTW ted Nolan as hired as a head coach of my national team of Poland. Nice.Fights are guaranteed.
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Mikey Red - 2017-07-11 10:52 PM

Lol booo Yeah we cant have you getting the Zika virus
God save us from clintonistas virus.Lets go Rangers.

BTW ted Nolan as hired as a head coach of my national team of Poland. Nice.Fights are guaranteed.

Yep Make the Rangers and America great again!
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Posted 2017-07-12 4:04 AM (#677870 - in reply to #677153)
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JT Miller likely won't start the season at center for the Rangers
7/11/17 | 5:53PM: Alain Vigneault told Larry Brooks that Miller's versatility and ability to play center is "very important" but that he doesn't see Miller starting the season in the middle. (NY Post)
Vigneault said that Miller was scouted as a center and that management likes his potential in the middle and said "I think that J.T. has a lot to offer us in different ways." (NY Post)
7/2/17 | Jeff Gorton said that he knows that the Rangers need a center and that they are trying to fix the hole that they have there.
He noted though that the Rangers do have the "luxury" of JT Miller's ability as a natural center. Gorton said that the Rangers are "hoping" he can transition back to center after skating on the wing for the last few seasons.
7/11/17 | Adam Rotter: How the Rangers plan to start the season and how they have their lines going in Game 5 of the regular season can be totally different things. I think that the Rangers would be okay trying a group of centers like Zibanejad, Hayes, Desharnais and Lias Andersson to start but that doesn't mean that will be the group two weeks into the season. They also have Boo Nieves as a potential option and Miller too if they get to a point where they start to experiment. I'd also expect the Rangers to look at what is left on the market after they have their meetings in early August and then possibly extend some training camp invites or even sign some low risk guys just to throw as many options into the mix as they can.

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Im reading up on the Coyotes situation. I wasnt aware what a disaster it is there. The arena situation is a mess....nobody wants them and they are trying a taxpayer pays for it bs scheme arena. Seattle or Quebec?



It has been a disaster there from the very start...they have lost millions every year they've been there, yet Buttface insists all is fine. Seattle can't seem to get the supported needed and Buttface will sell the team to Balsillie and let him move it to Hamilton before he puts another team in Quebec.

The NHL is a house of cards...Buttface's claims of the league being healthy are a sham..there are a lot of teams operating in the red.
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Boo Nieves f'n sucks. I don't understand why some people in our fan base can't grasp that.
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Mikey Red - 2017-07-11 7:26 PM

Im reading up on the Coyotes situation. I wasnt aware what a disaster it is there. The arena situation is a mess....nobody wants them and they are trying a taxpayer pays for it bs scheme arena. Seattle or Quebec?



It has been a disaster there from the very start...they have lost millions every year they've been there, yet Buttface insists all is fine. Seattle can't seem to get the supported needed and Buttface will sell the team to Balsillie and let him move it to Hamilton before he puts another team in Quebec.

The NHL is a house of cards...Buttface's claims of the league being healthy are a sham..there are a lot of teams operating in the red.

Yep I always knew it was that they were on NHL welfare but I didnt know they would be out of the arena next season....Team is a financial disaster. Their arena is 13 years old yet they want taxpayers to fund a brand new arena, Madness ...NYR really stuck it to Step and Anti lol. Bettman is a complete horror show
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itsmcilrathtime - 2017-07-12 7:26 AM

Boo Nieves f'n sucks. I don't understand why some people in our fan base can't grasp that.

He is almost 24 already....Either it has to happen now or he is forever Hartford
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Shatt you edit everything whats up with that?


And you repeatedly post one line criticisms of Lundqvist. Put it all in one post and be done with it.
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Posted 2017-07-12 8:09 AM (#677877 - in reply to #677153)
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Jensen signed to play in the KHL this year, with an option for next year. Rangers still hold his rights but that hurts the depth of the team this year....
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Posted 2017-07-12 8:27 AM (#677878 - in reply to #677876)
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sureshore - 2017-07-12 8:04 AM

Mikey Red - 2017-07-11 5:13 PM

Shatt you edit everything whats up with that?


And you repeatedly post one line criticisms of Lundqvist. Put it all in one post and be done with it.

Who asked you?
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Posted 2017-07-12 8:48 AM (#677879 - in reply to #677874)
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Mjolnir - 2017-07-12 5:02 AM

Mikey Red - 2017-07-11 7:26 PM

Im reading up on the Coyotes situation. I wasnt aware what a disaster it is there. The arena situation is a mess....nobody wants them and they are trying a taxpayer pays for it bs scheme arena. Seattle or Quebec?



It has been a disaster there from the very start...they have lost millions every year they've been there, yet Buttface insists all is fine. Seattle can't seem to get the supported needed and Buttface will sell the team to Balsillie and let him move it to Hamilton before he puts another team in Quebec.

The NHL is a house of cards...Buttface's claims of the league being healthy are a sham..there are a lot of teams operating in the red.

Yep I always knew it was that they were on NHL welfare but I didnt know they would be out of the arena next season....Team is a financial disaster. Their arena is 13 years old yet they want taxpayers to fund a brand new arena, Madness ...NYR really stuck it to Step and Anti lol. Bettman is a complete horror show


That's just a wrinkle in the whole fiasco. If I remember correctly, Glendale had to cut some necessary services because they got stuck paying an arena management fee.

The best thing for all involved would be to move the franchise, but Buttface would then have to admit he made a mistake...and that's not gonna happen.
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Posted 2017-07-12 8:56 AM (#677880 - in reply to #677153)
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JT Miller likely won't start the season at center for the Rangers
7/11/17 | 5:53PM: Alain Vigneault told Larry Brooks that Miller's versatility and ability to play center is "very important" but that he doesn't see Miller starting the season in the middle. (NY Post)
Vigneault said that Miller was scouted as a center and that management likes his potential in the middle and said "I think that J.T. has a lot to offer us in different ways." (NY Post)
7/2/17 | Jeff Gorton said that he knows that the Rangers need a center and that they are trying to fix the hole that they have there.
He noted though that the Rangers do have the "luxury" of JT Miller's ability as a natural center. Gorton said that the Rangers are "hoping" he can transition back to center after skating on the wing for the last few seasons.
7/11/17 | Adam Rotter: How the Rangers plan to start the season and how they have their lines going in Game 5 of the regular season can be totally different things. I think that the Rangers would be okay trying a group of centers like Zibanejad, Hayes, Desharnais and Lias Andersson to start but that doesn't mean that will be the group two weeks into the season. They also have Boo Nieves as a potential option and Miller too if they get to a point where they start to experiment. I'd also expect the Rangers to look at what is left on the market after they have their meetings in early August and then possibly extend some training camp invites or even sign some low risk guys just to throw as many options into the mix as they can.




Typical double mint no think before he speaks. Just shutup and let camp decide.
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RANGERNUT - 2017-07-12 3:04 AM

JT Miller likely won't start the season at center for the Rangers
7/11/17 | 5:53PM: Alain Vigneault told Larry Brooks that Miller's versatility and ability to play center is "very important" but that he doesn't see Miller starting the season in the middle. (NY Post)
Vigneault said that Miller was scouted as a center and that management likes his potential in the middle and said "I think that J.T. has a lot to offer us in different ways." (NY Post)
7/2/17 | Jeff Gorton said that he knows that the Rangers need a center and that they are trying to fix the hole that they have there.
He noted though that the Rangers do have the "luxury" of JT Miller's ability as a natural center. Gorton said that the Rangers are "hoping" he can transition back to center after skating on the wing for the last few seasons.
7/11/17 | Adam Rotter: How the Rangers plan to start the season and how they have their lines going in Game 5 of the regular season can be totally different things. I think that the Rangers would be okay trying a group of centers like Zibanejad, Hayes, Desharnais and Lias Andersson to start but that doesn't mean that will be the group two weeks into the season. They also have Boo Nieves as a potential option and Miller too if they get to a point where they start to experiment. I'd also expect the Rangers to look at what is left on the market after they have their meetings in early August and then possibly extend some training camp invites or even sign some low risk guys just to throw as many options into the mix as they can.




Typical double mint no think before he speaks. Just shutup and let camp decide.

Yep R
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Mikey Red - 2017-07-11 5:13 PM

Shatt you edit everything whats up with that?


And you repeatedly post one line criticisms of Lundqvist. Put it all in one post and be done with it.

Who asked you?


Let me rephrase - "you repeatedly post one line criticisms of Lundqvist, what's up with that?"
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Henke is getting old and signs of wearing down were clear during the last season.
He sucked during the playoffs.
Let's hope he will kick back to his old form where he was way better than the team in front of him.
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Blue404 - 2017-07-12 2:32 PM

Henke is getting old and signs of wearing down were clear during the last season.
He sucked during the playoffs.
Let's hope he will kick back to his old form where he was way better than the team in front of him.

Henrik doesnt drink Stella either
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Why dumping Marc Staal is Rangers’ only route to Maple Leafs center
By Larry Brooks July 26, 2017 | 3:54pm

If the Rangers were engaged in serious talks with the Maple Leafs regarding Tyler Bozak, the only way the Blueshirts could pull off a deal for the veteran center with the $4.2 million cap hit would be to buy out Marc Staal by Thursday’s deadline.


http://nypost.com/2017/07/26/why-sparing-marc-staal-is-rangers-only...



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I dont agree with that route....the cap hit is too significant down the road...Bozak is 31...and supposedly the Rangers are on his "im not going there" list. Go big or go home...Draisatl, Mackinnon, Duchene, Trouba ...Staal, Holden and JT or Kreider...in some sort of deal
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Buying out Staal to afford Bozak would be a brutal move. Way to much cap hit penalty. Do like I said in another post, bite the bullet this year, move Staal somehow with prospect incentives, Arizona?, trade Nash at the deadline for pieces, then would probably have to move Hayes (unless he tears it up this year) to make room and take your shot at Tavares. Its the only way the Rangers will get their hands on a center young enough to retool around.
You can win a cup with a workman like defense, but not without a dominant center. They have to get their hands on a no doubt number one center, to win a cup.

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I would go the other way and actually try and win this season. Team isn't that far off if they can add a solid top 9 C/forward, so I would go that route.

I also really think it would be a longshot for Tavares to bail on the Isles and go to the Rangers, that would be a huge F you to the Isles. Certainly put out your feelers, but that would surprise me greatly.

We'll see what Gorton does.

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Agreed...I wouldn't buy out Staal either. Way too much of a penalty.

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Tavares is not coming here...its just the way it is...I would be shocked....If you want a top flight center...go offer sheet Draisaitl... He is a better Center now than any of the draft picks you will lose in compensation...and he's 21 Tavares will be 28 at the start of next season.
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I would go the other way and actually try and win this season. Team isn't that far off if they can add a solid top 9 C/forward, so I would go that route.

I also really think it would be a longshot for Tavares to bail on the Isles and go to the Rangers, that would be a huge F you to the Isles. Certainly put out your feelers, but that would surprise me greatly.

We'll see what Gorton does.



This is too funny...Rangers are not "that far off" from the Cup. The "window" has closed more and more each year.
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Posted 2017-07-27 10:33 AM (#678505 - in reply to #677153)
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Crazy the way some of you view this team. With a good top 9 C/forward added this team can be right in the mix for sure.




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Tavares is not coming here...its just the way it is...I would be shocked....If you want a top flight center...go offer sheet Draisaitl... He is a better Center now than any of the draft picks you will lose in compensation...and he's 21 Tavares will be 28 at the start of next season.

The offer for Draisaitl would put the Rangers way over the Cap.Maybe too much to be within 10%You would have to move 3 or 4 guys on the roster to sign him.I would imagine the offer sheet would have to be somewhere in the 10 million range to scare Edmonton off.
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Tavares is not coming here...its just the way it is...I would be shocked....If you want a top flight center...go offer sheet Draisaitl... He is a better Center now than any of the draft picks you will lose in compensation...and he's 21 Tavares will be 28 at the start of next season.




Mike if Toronto is out of the picture it's open season on Tavares. His agent knows he's going to get paid. What player in their right mind would sign on with the Islanders? If it's not those two teams then the Rangers can sign him. He's 28 and just entering his prime. With Zibanejads affordable contract added to the Tavares one the Rangers wouldn't be in to bad a shape on the top two centres contracts. The casualty would be Hayes, but if Andersson is anything he could be a third line center a year from now.
Even if the Rangers trade for Bozak they are not challenging for anything but a playoff spot as constructed. No star center no cup.

"Disclaimer" No where am I saying buy out Staal...

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Tavares is not coming here...its just the way it is...I would be shocked....If you want a top flight center...go offer sheet Draisaitl... He is a better Center now than any of the draft picks you will lose in compensation...and he's 21 Tavares will be 28 at the start of next season.




Mike if Toronto is out of the picture it's open season on Tavares. His agent knows he's going to get paid. What player in their right mind would sign on with the Islanders? If it's not those two teams then the Rangers can sign him. He's 28 and just entering his prime. With Zibanejads affordable contract added to the Tavares one the Rangers wouldn't be in to bad a shape on the top two centres contracts. The casualty would be Hayes, but if Andersson is anything he could be a third line center a year from now.
Even if the Rangers trade for Bozak they are not challenging for anything but a playoff spot as constructed. No star center no cup.

"Disclaimer" No where am I saying buy out Staal...


Toronto?
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Crazy the way some of you view this team.




It's called "reality".

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Mikey Red - 2017-07-27 7:59 AM

Tavares is not coming here...its just the way it is...I would be shocked....If you want a top flight center...go offer sheet Draisaitl... He is a better Center now than any of the draft picks you will lose in compensation...and he's 21 Tavares will be 28 at the start of next season.




Mike if Toronto is out of the picture it's open season on Tavares. His agent knows he's going to get paid. What player in their right mind would sign on with the Islanders? If it's not those two teams then the Rangers can sign him. He's 28 and just entering his prime. With Zibanejads affordable contract added to the Tavares one the Rangers wouldn't be in to bad a shape on the top two centres contracts. The casualty would be Hayes, but if Andersson is anything he could be a third line center a year from now.
Even if the Rangers trade for Bozak they are not challenging for anything but a playoff spot as constructed. No star center no cup.

"Disclaimer" No where am I saying buy out Staal...


Toronto?



His home town.
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Posted 2017-07-27 2:14 PM (#678512 - in reply to #677153)
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Is it reality? Multiple ECF's, a SCF, 2nd round last season (poor coaching away from making the ECF again). Pretty solid track record. I don't know.

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Mikey Red - 2017-07-27 10:59 AM

Tavares is not coming here...its just the way it is...I would be shocked....If you want a top flight center...go offer sheet Draisaitl... He is a better Center now than any of the draft picks you will lose in compensation...and he's 21 Tavares will be 28 at the start of next season.

The offer for Draisaitl would put the Rangers way over the Cap.Maybe too much to be within 10%You would have to move 3 or 4 guys on the roster to sign him.I would imagine the offer sheet would have to be somewhere in the 10 million range to scare Edmonton off.

I absolutely hear you...Yes if you can move Staal, Holden, Nash....Just maybe then lol
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Tavares is not coming here...its just the way it is...I would be shocked....If you want a top flight center...go offer sheet Draisaitl... He is a better Center now than any of the draft picks you will lose in compensation...and he's 21 Tavares will be 28 at the start of next season.




Mike if Toronto is out of the picture it's open season on Tavares. His agent knows he's going to get paid. What player in their right mind would sign on with the Islanders? If it's not those two teams then the Rangers can sign him. He's 28 and just entering his prime. With Zibanejads affordable contract added to the Tavares one the Rangers wouldn't be in to bad a shape on the top two centres contracts. The casualty would be Hayes, but if Andersson is anything he could be a third line center a year from now.
Even if the Rangers trade for Bozak they are not challenging for anything but a playoff spot as constructed. No star center no cup.

"Disclaimer" No where am I saying buy out Staal...

True R... I just dont think he's crossing the Hugh Carey Tunnel....Just a proximity thing I guess. But you a re most certainly not wrong
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Shattenkirk NYR - 2017-07-27 12:33 PM

Crazy the way some of you view this team.




It's called "reality".

he he he .... MJ Tribe still running away with the Central
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In the meantime with the tools we have in the box.....Duchene, Mackinnon, and Trouba are out there.....to me...Kreider is in play to make that happen....I dont want Bozak...We need cornerstone pieces...Not Pavel Bure after the 15th knee surgery...Eric Lindros after the 90th concussion... Rick Nash after 10 years and a million miles on him etc...LGR....
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Perhaps the true NYR fans that are still in the building can start a Lindy...Lindy chant come Spring 2018
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Doublemint, Chewbacca, Bazzoka Joe...I forgot some of the others....Im sick of the guy...He has screwed us form getting to where we want to be...Forgets whos's on the bench.....F'n Staal, Holden, Stepan on the ice at the times we got burned etc...Who is running the show? is Gorton on the ball?
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Mikey Red - 2017-07-27 6:07 PM

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Mikey Red - 2017-07-27 7:59 AM

Tavares is not coming here...its just the way it is...I would be shocked....If you want a top flight center...go offer sheet Draisaitl... He is a better Center now than any of the draft picks you will lose in compensation...and he's 21 Tavares will be 28 at the start of next season.




Mike if Toronto is out of the picture it's open season on Tavares. His agent knows he's going to get paid. What player in their right mind would sign on with the Islanders? If it's not those two teams then the Rangers can sign him. He's 28 and just entering his prime. With Zibanejads affordable contract added to the Tavares one the Rangers wouldn't be in to bad a shape on the top two centres contracts. The casualty would be Hayes, but if Andersson is anything he could be a third line center a year from now.
Even if the Rangers trade for Bozak they are not challenging for anything but a playoff spot as constructed. No star center no cup.

"Disclaimer" No where am I saying buy out Staal...

True R... I just dont think he's crossing the Hugh Carey Tunnel....Just a proximity thing I guess. But you a re most certainly not wrong



Hahah I don't think I've ever met anyone that actually said "Hugh Carey Tunnel." Do you say RFK Bridge too?



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Mikey Red - 2017-07-27 7:59 AM

Tavares is not coming here...its just the way it is...I would be shocked....If you want a top flight center...go offer sheet Draisaitl... He is a better Center now than any of the draft picks you will lose in compensation...and he's 21 Tavares will be 28 at the start of next season.




Mike if Toronto is out of the picture it's open season on Tavares. His agent knows he's going to get paid. What player in their right mind would sign on with the Islanders? If it's not those two teams then the Rangers can sign him. He's 28 and just entering his prime. With Zibanejads affordable contract added to the Tavares one the Rangers wouldn't be in to bad a shape on the top two centres contracts. The casualty would be Hayes, but if Andersson is anything he could be a third line center a year from now.
Even if the Rangers trade for Bozak they are not challenging for anything but a playoff spot as constructed. No star center no cup.

"Disclaimer" No where am I saying buy out Staal...

True R... I just dont think he's crossing the Hugh Carey Tunnel....Just a proximity thing I guess. But you a re most certainly not wrong



Hahah I don't think I've ever met anyone that actually said "Hugh Carey Tunnel." Do you say RFK Bridge too?




hahahaha lol absolutely not ...I am a tri boro bridge guy forever....I hate that they changed the name to RFK...He has a stadium in D.C. named for him already
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I can guarantee you that both boros that the Battery tunnel connects....very very very few people know who Hugh Carey was

Come On..thats easy... Cubs Announcer ,
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Mikey Red - 2017-07-28 10:58 AM

I can guarantee you that both boros that the Battery tunnel connects....very very very few people know who Hugh Carey was

Come On..thats easy... Cubs Announcer ,
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lol lol ha ha yep...
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Posted 2017-07-28 12:37 PM (#678531 - in reply to #677153)
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What are the Rangers going to do with Nick Holden?
7/28/17 2:17PM
Larry Brooks wrote earlier this week that Rangers are "expected to attempt" to trade Nick Holden in exchange for potential help at center. (NY Post)
Brooks wrote on Wednesday that the Rangers could move Holden for draft picks to both remove him from the crowded defense and also to clear a bit more cap space. (NY Post)
He also wrote last weekend that there is a "glut" of defensemen that could be moved, including many from Vegas, that is holding up a potential trade market. (NY Post)
Holden, 30, is a UFA at the end of the season and has a cap hit of $1.65 million but an actual salary of $1.8 million.

Adam Rotter: Unless the Rangers have another move planned, I think Nick Holden starts the season with them. He would be the sixth defenseman and provide a bit of insurance in the event that the young defensemen the Rangers have all need a bit of time in Hartford. While I think there is a pretty good chance that Holden will start the season with the Rangers, I think there is more than a pretty good chance that he won't end the season with the Rangers. Unless he plays at the level he did in the first part of last season, or the Rangers are decimated by injuries, at some point they will likely use him to land a depth center from a team that needs a depth defenseman.
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If DeAngelo, Pionk, and Bereglazov can't come in and make as many mistakes as Holden did last season then they shouldn't be here this season.

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Mjolnir - 2017-07-27 1:32 PM

Shattenkirk NYR - 2017-07-27 12:33 PM

Crazy the way some of you view this team.




It's called "reality".

he he he .... MJ Tribe still running away with the Central
More like backing away. Their pitching is shakey.
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Over at nhlnumbers.com, Rangers are listed at $74 K over the cap with 2 spots open. Trading Holden gets us $1.65 M cap space, just about enough to add Andersson and Bereglazov. IF Miller is moved to center AND AV will play him there, doesl AV yell loud enough to get his BFF, Tanner Glass, back?
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For the first time. I would buy out Staal. Rangers can use Graves, Bereglazov and DeAngelo there. Those kids will be dirt cheap for at least 3 years. So, it's not the end of the world. Staal is well on his way to sucking asssssssssss. Said 3 months ago. Want to go young on D.
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Posted 2017-07-29 2:06 PM (#678546 - in reply to #677153)
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Staal's buyout most likely happens next summer, which would be with the same # of years remaining as Girardi had when he was bought out. Truth is Staal should be a solid 3rd pair dman for us. No way worth a 5.7 mill cap hit, but if his cap hit was 2.5 to 3 mill he would be perfect for the role he should play this upcoming season. I say should because I still have some doubts AV realizes Staal is a 3rd pair dman and needs to be treated as such, and also should be given games off here and there.

If used correctly I think Staal can be a plus for us this season on the ice. He won't be big picture because his cap hit is 3 mill too much for his new role, but on the ice he can be solid on the 3rd pair.

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Staal had a decent season last year. Skjei has clearly passed him on the depth chart, but I see trade value there over Holden.

I'd sooner waive Holden and trade Staal, then buyout Staal, and try trading Holden.
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I'd love to see the team that would deal for Staal and his 5.7 mill cap hit. If he had value he'd be gone already, so I don't buy that one at all (unless we package good pieces with him like a young prospect or a pick). Plus he'd have to okay a trade as well. I don't see him having value. Maybe if we retained some of his cap hit, maybe we could move him then without having to add a good sweetener into the deal. Even then long shot that he'd have to okay.

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NTHockey - 2017-07-29 6:27 AM

Over at nhlnumbers.com, Rangers are listed at $74 K over the cap with 2 spots open. Trading Holden gets us $1.65 M cap space, just about enough to add Andersson and Bereglazov. IF Miller is moved to center AND AV will play him there, doesl AV yell loud enough to get his BFF, Tanner Glass, back?


Their numbers are off. They have Vesey at 3.775, he's on an ELC at 925k.

Cap Friendly has more accurate numbers:
https://www.capfriendly.com/teams/rangers

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Shattenkirk NYR - 2017-07-29 3:45 PM

I'd love to see the team that would deal for Staal and his 5.7 mill cap hit. If he had value he'd be gone already, so I don't buy that one at all (unless we package good pieces with him like a young prospect or a pick). Plus he'd have to okay a trade as well. I don't see him having value. Maybe if we retained some of his cap hit, maybe we could move him then without having to add a good sweetener into the deal. Even then long shot that he'd have to okay.



Agree with your post before this one. You made the point that he'd be a decent defender at $3m. So you retain $2.7m and trade him at value. Or, like you say, you throw in a sweetener (let's say, a second or third round pick or a B+ prospect) and try to trade him with a $3.5 or $4m hit. GMs view players as commodities - each has value at a certain price point, you just have to find that point.

The major benefit to that is you only retain his salary for the length of the contract, not dead space for 8 years. I think if AV uses him properly/shelters him on the third pair, he'll look decent, and his numbers will be a little better and will be a more easily tradeable asset.

As for OKing a trade, I think at some point Staal sees that the choice is he can be a #4 defenseman in Calgary or Edmonton or wherever, versus potentially sitting in the press box/ 7th defenseman here. And the trade option looks a lot more appealing to him. He's making the same amount of money either way, you just have to find the right pressure to put on him to make him do what you want. That's up to AV and Ruff though also, having the balls to bench/scratch him and play some kids so he knows it's not an empty threat.

And dare I say it, dump makes a good point that salary retained/buyout is mitigated by the cost controls of younger defensemen. If Bereglazov/Pionk/Day/Graves/whoever can show they can play, that's a significant cost savings as they're on an ELC. Dead cap space is never ideal but it's not the end of the world.

Either way, we all know Staal isn't going to play out the next 4 years here. The goal right now is the find the best exit plan for him, and options like trading him are only going to get more difficult, so I would definitely explore an avenue to make that work, first. You can buy him out any year, and the later you do the better it is for you. If you can trade out of his contract sooner rather than later then they should definitely do that.
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Posted 2017-07-30 7:28 AM (#678555 - in reply to #677153)
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A part of me thinks if a deal for Staal with us retaining 2.5/3 mill or so was doable I have to think it would be done already, unless the only way it is doable is we add a sweetener that is so much Gorton passes. I also won't pretend to know what Staal thinks in his head. He may be thinking I want to stay here period end of story regardless of 3rd pair minutes or not...who knows.

As with any player there is some deal out there that can be made I am sure, but would Staal agree to it AND is such a big sweetener needed that dealing Staal and retaining 3 mill +/- isn't worth it.

Don't know, but again if that deal was out there why is Gorton waiting? And worst case I'd say Staal is bought out next summer.


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It always seems like the gms have an order of tasks that they stick to.

pre draft signings and trades
draft
post draft rfas
ufa signings
the zibanejad, kreider, stepan looming arbitration guys
then see what else is left in free agency, and what trades are possible.... who can be invited on try outs.... who has gone undrafted....

I don't think other gms are lighting up the phone lines to take Staal from us... and with other obligations, I doubt Gorton has tried to shop him.... but he could and should come up in trade talks now that they are looking to round out their roster.

Holden will too... but there may be more value in Staal to another GM.
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In the right offer anyone can be dealt, but right now I think Holden will be gone by opening night, and Staal starts as the 3rd pair LD. Once again forget cap hit for a moment and focus on play on the ice and I think Staal will do well in that role. At a 5.7 mill cap hit that is awful value, and I'd move him in a second if I could, but simply saying if he's here, okay he will play on the 3rd pair and I do think he can do well in that role.

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Its our only hope because you are not moving that albatross contract....Staal should do what Markus Naslund did
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Make Staal our 7th and have him ride the pine. He'll waive the NMC and demand a trade. Problem solved.

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Make Staal our 7th and have him ride the pine. He'll waive the NMC and demand a trade. Problem solved.


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Steady Eddie - 2017-07-30 4:33 AM

Make Staal our 7th and have him ride the pine. He'll waive the NMC and demand a trade. Problem solved.



Did we learn NOTHING from Wade Redden..... He will sit and take his pay and smile ... I think there is nothing you can do with him.. I have never been a fan of him .. I liked Girardi more... but he is here until one of two things happens .... we find a way to Gomez him with another GM.....or his contract is up...but remember there are teams that have to spend to the floor.. so maybe one of them will want him... I am hoping here.
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Posted 2017-07-31 4:50 AM (#678567 - in reply to #677153)
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That sounds great Eddie, but unless you talked to Staal and he said yeah that would get me to waive my NMC AND you spoke to Gorton and he has a trade lined up that he just needs Staal to okay, then they are just words.

We can speculate all we want, but we have no clue if there is a move to make with Staal. My guess is if we retained some cap hit, maybe 2.5/3 mill, there is a deal to make. That's my guess. Then the question becomes does Staal accept that. On that one no one has a clue.

I would also add if this deal was out there and Staal was okay with it, most likely he'd be gone by now, so I have my doubts it can/will happen.

I have wrapped my head around him being our 3rd pair LD when the season starts, and then he gets bought out next summer. For one more season as the 3rd pair LD (make sure you understand that AV) we could do a lot worse I believe.

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All I suggested was to bench him. If he cares about the game and getting playing time, he would demand a trade and drop the NMC. Trading him and retaining $2.5 million of his contract is a lot better than a buyout. Staal is not a top 4, but doublemint thought he was. IMO he's not even a top 6. The speed of today's game has exposed him. Having a long reach and a good stick is not enough.



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Yeah, bench him I have no issue with that. All I am saying is doing that doesn't mean he accepts a trade, and it doesn't mean another team is willing to trade for him (retained cap hit or not).

I happen to think he'll be solid as a 3rd pair LD playing in sheltered 3rd pair situations, will AV stick to that, but I can also see someone saying bench him to try and force his hand. I would guess he'll get his shot early as the 3rd pair LD on opening night, but if he struggles he'll get scratched for a kid, and then we'll see what happens.

I would agree though if we retained 2.5/2.85 mill of his cap hit (just realized 2.85 is the max we can retain since it is 50% that can be retained at most) we should be able to find a taker, but who knows.

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I would not be surprised if he waived his NTC already. Brooks knows nothing. Team wouldn't disclose that. I would think he's been told there is a good chance he will sit in the stands or play in the minors this season. I don't see him beating out several young players in the system.
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He cannot be sent to the minors with a NMC, but he can be scratched. And just because he is told he'll sit doesn't mean he'll accept a trade. And with a cap hit of 2.85 for the next 4-years (the lowest it can be if we retained 50%) it is very possible we'd have to add a solid sweetener for another team to take Staal.

I think the NMC runs through this upcoming season, and then it becomes a modified NTC, so maybe after this upcoming season we can move him. To me this will be his last season as a Ranger. He will be dealt OR bought out next summer for sure.

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While criticism of Staal is warranted, we are not talking about the elephant in the room. Our $7.8 M 20-25 goal scoring, checking forward - Rick Nash. Thankfully (Hopefully?), he's gone at the trade deadline.
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I am not too concerned about Nash. His contract is up after this coming season, and "worst case" we'll get a huge 7.8 mill opening against the cap. So that is why he isn't being talked about, he is done after one more season.

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Shattenkirk NYR - 2017-07-31 10:50 AM

I am not too concerned about Nash. His contract is up after this coming season, and "worst case" we'll get a huge 7.8 mill opening against the cap. So that is why he isn't being talked about, he is done after one more season.



Hypothetical, if Nash wants to come back as a UFA for 3-4 years, $3m per, do you do it?

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Maybe would be my answer. Let's see how this upcoming season goes. Let's see how Nash plays. But today...maybe.
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Nash needs to be moved
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Shattenkirk NYR - 2017-07-31 10:50 AM

I am not too concerned about Nash. His contract is up after this coming season, and "worst case" we'll get a huge 7.8 mill opening against the cap. So that is why he isn't being talked about, he is done after one more season.



Hypothetical, if Nash wants to come back as a UFA for 3-4 years, $3m per, do you do it?




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Yes I think keeping a stepan and moving Nash would have been a better move but at the end of the day I am not sure ANYONE is taking that contract on as teams who could use him.. cant afford the hit... and those that can cover the hit dont need him... so there is no real suiter for that player or contract...

Also him at 3M a year would be worth it .. I think he still plays hard and can be tough on nights.. but the near 8 million is over priced.
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Respectfully I am missing why Nash is really a big topic of discussion. He has one-year left on his deal. He'll play his usual solid 2-way hockey. Score 25 goals. He is a good player, he is simply not a 7.8 mill player. If he was making 4 mill +/- he'd be great value. I am not going to get worked up over a guy who is gone after next season (or resigned to a much lower deal). And if we do stink, as some in here think we may, he can/will be dealt at the trade DL for a solid return as a rental. No downside to me when worst case is we clear 7.8 mill from our cap.

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Shattenkirk NYR - 2017-07-31 7:42 PM

Respectfully I am missing why Nash is really a big topic of discussion. He has one-year left on his deal. He'll play his usual solid 2-way hockey. Score 25 goals. He is a good player, he is simply not a 7.8 mill player. If he was making 4 mill +/- he'd be great value. I am not going to get worked up over a guy who is gone after next season (or resigned to a much lower deal). And if we do stink, as some in here think we may, he can/will be dealt at the trade DL for a solid return as a rental. No downside to me when worst case is we clear 7.8 mill from our cap.


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Nash has to put up or shut up. Either he lands a decent contract next year, or he doesn't. It's all going to boil down to his play.

And if The Rangers do tank this year, he'll be a prime target to playoff teams at the deadline.

I, naturally, think both Nash and The Rangers are going to do well. We'll let him walk, and replace him with another Rangers fan turned pro, JVR for a discount deal

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Posted 2017-07-31 8:10 PM (#678594 - in reply to #677153)
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JVR is from SNJ and was a Flyers fan growing up, not a Rangers fan. I do agree with you on your Nash assessment though. Not much to see here with one-year left on his deal.

I also agree we will do well next season. Not the best or winning our division, but we'll be right there for 2nd or 3rd in the Met I'd say.


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Posted 2017-07-31 8:37 PM (#678595 - in reply to #677153)
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Are you sure Shatt? I believe JVR was a Ranger fan too
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Posted 2017-08-01 4:24 AM (#678607 - in reply to #677153)
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Yes, you guys are correct. He was a Rangers fan growing up. Now go get him next summer and add him to Shatt letting him fulfill his life long dream of playing as a Ranger at MSG.

I have always been a JVR fan. Sure he will be on the radar for us next summer with Nash and Staal gone (buyout or trade). Just have to hope the cap goes up more than 2 mill next year.




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We trade for Lindberg by November. He will suck on an expansion team. Vegas made a mistake taking him. They would have been much better off taking Holden. They could get more for him in a deal.
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Mikey Red - 2017-07-31 10:37 PM

Are you sure Shatt? I believe JVR was a Ranger fan too


I have a buddy who use to play with him in high school.... JVR is from Middletown. You gotta go a good hour South or West before you hit Flyers country... There's obviously Devils fans mixed in too, but as you can see at Devils' Home games, it's a good 50/50 ratio up here. Me, JVR, and my buddy Jeff bleed blue

https://www.nhl.com/flyers/news/prospect-profile-james-van-riemsdyk/...



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Mikey Red - 2017-07-31 10:37 PM

Are you sure Shatt? I believe JVR was a Ranger fan too


I have a buddy who use to play with him in high school.... JVR is from Middletown. You gotta go a good hour South or West before you hit Flyers country... There's obviously Devils fans mixed in too, but as you can see at Devils' Home games, it's a good 50/50 ratio up here. Me, JVR, and my buddy Jeff bleed blue

https://www.nhl.com/flyers/news/prospect-profile-james-van-riemsdyk/...


Cool! Why not try to get him now? if he will be UFA next year...maybe he can be had
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Mikey Red - 2017-07-31 10:37 PM

Are you sure Shatt? I believe JVR was a Ranger fan too


I have a buddy who use to play with him in high school.... JVR is from Middletown. You gotta go a good hour South or West before you hit Flyers country... There's obviously Devils fans mixed in too, but as you can see at Devils' Home games, it's a good 50/50 ratio up here. Me, JVR, and my buddy Jeff bleed blue

https://www.nhl.com/flyers/news/prospect-profile-james-van-riemsdyk/...


Cool! Why not try to get him now? if he will be UFA next year...maybe he can be had


Hell yeah, I'd take him. If Toronto won't do Bozak, I'd try for JVR for sure. We need a center more, but I'm fine with Miller there
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I thought they were being pretty blatant about it.
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How JT Miller performed this season compared to his projections

Aug 1 | 6:25PM

JT Miller finished this past season with 22 goals and 34 assists to set a career high in points (56) and assists (34).

Prior to the season, Miller was projected to score the following amount of points:
•The Hockey News Pool Guide: 20 goals, 23 assists
•Sports Forecaster: 20 goals, 26 assists
•Dobber Hockey: 21 goals, 27 assists
•Pool Pro: 22 goals, 21 assists
•McKeens: 26 goals, 28 assists
•TSN: 18 goals, 19 assists

The Hockey News wrote before the season that, "JT Miller was one of the only young Ranger forwards who didn't plateau last season. He sniped 22 goals playing 15 minutes a game. As he earns more trust and ice time he'll flirty with 30 goals."
Miller averaged a career high 16:22 per game, up from 15:02 in 2015-16.
He tied with Mats Zuccarello for the team lead in even strength points with 45, had 2 goals on the PP, 3 shorthanded and tied with Jimmy Vesey for the team lead in Game winning goals with 6.

Adam Rotter: Miller was the Rangers best forward for a large part of the season and then his game, along with some others, fell off. He never really picked things up in the playoffs but overall this was another year where Miller was better than he was the year before. Miller seems to still be in "the process" but it's encouraging that he continues to improve each season. The Rangers will likely rely on Miller to take on an even bigger role offensively next season.
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Mjolnir - 2017-08-02 1:55 AM

I thought they were being pretty blatant about it.

MJ did you see the nd of the game last nite?...That was a tough one
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Shattenkirk NYR - 2017-07-31 10:10 PM

JVR is from SNJ and was a Flyers fan growing up, not a Rangers fan. I do agree with you on your Nash assessment though. Not much to see here with one-year left on his deal.

I also agree we will do well next season. Not the best or winning our division, but we'll be right there for 2nd or 3rd in the Met I'd say.




Absolutely, positively WRONG! My son played youth hockey down the shore with JVR and his whole family are Ranger fans. Maybe you're confusing him with DeAngelo or Johnny Geaudreau?
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Mjolnir - 2017-08-02 1:55 AM

I thought they were being pretty blatant about it.

MJ did you see the nd of the game last nite?...That was a tough one


Funny thing about that....even the announcers were surprised...you have Sale vs. Carasco and you expect a low scoring, pitcher's dual. Not surprised about Carasco...but was surprised they got to Sale.
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Mikey Red - 2017-08-02 5:48 PM

Totally...who would of taken the over in that one?


Did I mention before the pitching was shakey? Well it just got a whole lot worse:

"All-Star Andrew Miller is on the disabled list, and starter Josh Tomlin is out six weeks."
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I believe the Rangers are really hoping Andersson grabs the center spot. He'll be cheap for a while. I just hope they are smart enough to trade McDonagh for the mother load this upcoming off-season.
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If you can get me Trouba...I would trade Macdonagh...You cant give Mac a Staal/Girardi contract...he has alot of miles on him...As far as lLas...I have no faith in NYR prospects til they prove me wrong
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Mikey Red - 2017-08-02 6:18 PM

Wahoos vs RJ's boys this weekend
boys have always been scalpable, no matter how good or bad we're playing....then throw in the Francona Factor....that's about the only series I'm NOT worried about.
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Mikey Red - 2017-08-02 6:18 PM

Wahoos vs RJ's boys this weekend
boys have always been scalpable, no matter how good or bad we're playing....then throw in the Francona Factor....that's about the only series I'm NOT worried about.

Ha Ha Yep...The Francona factor is for real
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Boo Nieves is hoping to make the Rangers out of training camp
12:22 PM 8/4/17

Boo Nieves said that he knows what will be expected during training camp this season and that his goal is to make the Rangers. (NYR)
He said that he thinks he is capable of achieving that goal as long as he is healthy and playing at his best.
Nieves added, "I think there's a chance to show what I can really do at this level. I just want to prove that I belong here."
Nieves played 1 game with the Rangers this season, saying that he learned a lot even during his short time with the team. (NYR)
He has spent the summer working with Rangers strength and conditioning consultant Ben Prentiss during the day and then going on the ice at night. (NYR)
Nieves impressed the Rangers last fall with his play in Traverse City as well as during the preseason.

Adam Rotter: If he is healthy, Nieves should have a real good shot at making the Rangers this season. He's big, fast and certainly looks like someone who would be capable of replacing Oscar Lindberg on the fourth line. He's got the right kind of cap hit, $755,000, brings lots of speed and some skill. The Rangers still have options with him and he can go to Hartford without waivers but he will be in contention, along with Lias Andersson, for a consistent spot on the team.
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Mikey Red - 2017-08-04 11:22 AM

Let's hope...Boo is closer to 25 than 20


You said the B word. Larry Brooks, I mean Dump, is going to yell at you now.
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Posted 2017-08-04 1:47 PM (#678724 - in reply to #678723)
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Mikey Red - 2017-08-04 11:22 AM

Let's hope...Boo is closer to 25 than 20


You said the B word. Larry Brooks, I mean Dump, is going to yell at you now.

Hahahaha lol
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Mikey Red - 2017-08-04 11:22 AM

Let's hope...Boo is closer to 25 than 20


You said the B word. Larry Brooks, I mean Dump, is going to yell at you now.


How can you defame Brooks the Brilliant in such a shameless manner????
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Part of me wants Jagr back. I'd take a Thomas Vanek, too... maybe Lindy can make that happen. Fellow countryman Grabner...


I've been thinking of Jagr. I wouldn't mind Jagr for one year with bonuses.
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Posted 2017-08-04 2:23 PM (#678731 - in reply to #677153)
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Posted 2017-08-04 2:30 PM (#678732 - in reply to #678731)
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He was 0 for 3 on that one! Etem...Fail Albert...Not terribly wrong but wrong.... Mclrath Fail
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robstones - 2017-08-02 7:02 PM

Part of me wants Jagr back. I'd take a Thomas Vanek, too... maybe Lindy can make that happen. Fellow countryman Grabner...


I've been thinking of Jagr. I wouldn't mind Jagr for one year with bonuses.


Hayes or Miller as his center with Vesey or Buchnevich on the other wing. 3rd line minutes with PP time.

Hayes protects the puck like Jagr lite
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Posted 2017-08-04 4:10 PM (#678737 - in reply to #677153)
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Hayes Miller and Grabs worked great until AV ****ed it up
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Posted 2017-08-04 4:32 PM (#678738 - in reply to #678728)
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NTHockey - 2017-08-04 4:13 PM

robstones - 2017-08-02 7:02 PM

Part of me wants Jagr back. I'd take a Thomas Vanek, too... maybe Lindy can make that happen. Fellow countryman Grabner...


I've been thinking of Jagr. I wouldn't mind Jagr for one year with bonuses.


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Mjolnir - 2017-08-04 4:32 PM

NTHockey - 2017-08-04 4:13 PM

robstones - 2017-08-02 7:02 PM

Part of me wants Jagr back. I'd take a Thomas Vanek, too... maybe Lindy can make that happen. Fellow countryman Grabner...


I've been thinking of Jagr. I wouldn't mind Jagr for one year with bonuses.


NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

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Posted 2017-08-04 5:49 PM (#678741 - in reply to #677153)
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And the beat goes on...prison stripes imploding again.
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Posted 2017-08-04 5:51 PM (#678742 - in reply to #677153)
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Posted 2017-08-04 6:36 PM (#678744 - in reply to #677153)
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This is the Bauer I dislike and distrust.
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Posted 2017-08-04 6:48 PM (#678745 - in reply to #677153)
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Mikey Red - 2017-08-04 8:48 PM

ha ha yep...base hit 5-1 10 little indians


Told you I wasn't worried (except when Bauer pitches).
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ha ha yep...base hit 5-1 10 little indians


Told you I wasn't worried (except when Bauer pitches).

Ha ha yes you sure did...we need RJ to come in here
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ha ha yep...base hit 5-1 10 little indians


Told you I wasn't worried (except when Bauer pitches).

Ha ha yes you sure did...we need RJ to come in here


I would have sworn Brooks Robinson played in Baltimore.
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ha ha yep...base hit 5-1 10 little indians


Told you I wasn't worried (except when Bauer pitches).

Ha ha yes you sure did...we need RJ to come in here


I would have sworn Brooks Robinson played in Baltimore.

Lol Lol yep...he didnt get see Camden Yards tho unfortunately
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That's two great plays that guy's made at third....that catch and throw to home....sheesh!!!
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Posted 2017-08-04 7:38 PM (#678751 - in reply to #677153)
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Yeah very impressive....glove love....Mets getting spanked too
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Mikey Red - 2017-08-04 9:38 PM

Yeah very impressive....glove love....Mets getting spanked too
They should be....deGrom stealing a base...that's almost the same as Henrik going in on a breakaway (and yes I mean Henrik).

Edited by Mjolnir 2017-08-04 7:44 PM
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Mikey Red - 2017-08-04 9:38 PM

Yeah very impressive....glove love....Mets getting spanked too
They should be....deGrom stealing a base...that's almost the same as Henrik going in on a breakaway (and yes I mean Henrik).

hahaha totally ...I saw de grom get pulled from the on deck circle and he broke his bat
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Posted 2017-08-04 7:48 PM (#678754 - in reply to #677153)
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on paper to start the season...the Muts did have a loaded starting 5... it sure hasn't gone that way
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Mikey Red - 2017-08-04 9:48 PM

on paper to start the season...the Muts did have a loaded starting 5... it sure hasn't gone that way


same thing that happened to Wilson, Isringhausen and Pulsipher.
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Well I'm off to bed...first softball game tomorrow is 9AM...and it's the playoffs. I will be very irate if i wake up and find out they lost (ala the 97 world series).

later dude.
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Mjolnir - 2017-08-04 7:57 PM

Well I'm off to bed...first softball game tomorrow is 9AM...and it's the playoffs. I will be very irate if i wake up and find out they lost (ala the 97 world series).

later dude.

ha ha you got it later bro
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Im watching this USA Finland game....From what I see so far...Sean Day is not NHL ready yet
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Mjolnir - 2017-08-04 7:57 PM

Well I'm off to bed...first softball game tomorrow is 9AM...and it's the playoffs. I will be very irate if i wake up and find out they lost (ala the 97 world series).

later dude.

ha ha you got it later bro


and wouldn't you know it....games canceled over a few drops of rain...and the field has artificial turf!!! I think AV is their advisor. Bunch of Wusses!!
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Im watching this USA Finland game....From what I see so far...Sean Day is not NHL ready yet


Saw the same. In fact, based on the game, he's not even close.

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Mjolnir - 2017-08-04 7:57 PM

Well I'm off to bed...first softball game tomorrow is 9AM...and it's the playoffs. I will be very irate if i wake up and find out they lost (ala the 97 world series).

later dude.

ha ha you got it later bro


and wouldn't you know it....games canceled over a few drops of rain...and the field has artificial turf!!! I think AV is their advisor. Bunch of Wusses!!

Ah bummer dude.. total bs
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Posted 2017-08-05 8:11 AM (#678764 - in reply to #678761)
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Mikey Red - 2017-08-04 10:44 PM

Im watching this USA Finland game....From what I see so far...Sean Day is not NHL ready yet


Saw the same. In fact, based on the game, he's not even close.


Totally...its the 1st Ive watched him...not even close...Hell if Winnipeg would take him for Trouba...done
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I'm looking at cap friendly......I cannot believe the contract the Leafs gave Marleau
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Mjolnir - 2017-08-04 7:57 PM

Well I'm off to bed...first softball game tomorrow is 9AM...and it's the playoffs. I will be very irate if i wake up and find out they lost (ala the 97 world series).

later dude.

ha ha you got it later bro


and wouldn't you know it....games canceled over a few drops of rain...and the field has artificial turf!!! I think AV is their advisor. Bunch of Wusses!!

Ah bummer dude.. total bs
In all fairness, I can undersand. We have six divisions in our league and most of the other games were on Randall's Island..so they just cancelled the whole slate. Since all the games would have been held today, they still have next weekend. I do feel sorry for one of my teammates who drove in from Connecticut (leaving home at 6:45..of course, the fool admits later he didn't check his phone until he got into the City).
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Posted 2017-08-05 9:23 AM (#678770 - in reply to #677153)
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Dam! I hear ya ...sadly tho..there was no call for rain the rest of the day after like 9am.....Today might of been the day you hit one into upper seats at Carl Icahn Stadium lol
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Mikey Red - 2017-08-05 10:32 AM

I'm looking at cap friendly......I cannot believe the contract the Leafs gave Marleau
There but for the grace of god........brings back memories of the Sather days.
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Mikey Red - 2017-08-05 10:32 AM

I'm looking at cap friendly......I cannot believe the contract the Leafs gave Marleau
There but for the grace of god........brings back memories of the Sather days.

HaHa sure does ages 38,39,40 marleau gets 6+ Million....Maybe we can get JVR for Holden and Graves/Bereglazov ? They are over the cap by over 3 million
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Mikey Red - 2017-08-05 2:40 AM

Mjolnir - 2017-08-05 10:30 AM

Mikey Red - 2017-08-05 10:32 AM

I'm looking at cap friendly......I cannot believe the contract the Leafs gave Marleau
There but for the grace of god........brings back memories of the Sather days.

HaHa sure does ages 38,39,40 marleau gets 6+ Million....Maybe we can get JVR for Holden and Graves/Bereglazov ? They are over the cap by over 3 million


I thought the same thing but the contract is front loaded to make sure they have cap space as their young talent needs new contracts.. They have money to burn and now they have a vet guy with the kids.. not saying it is right.. or I would do it.. but they think that they can spend the money now to help educate their kids and it will pay off long term... and given how much the Rangers have paid for people we have nothing to say.. or are we .. and I have said this twice this thread... have we learned nothing from wade redden... lol
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The Rangers Top 10 prospects according to The Hockey News
Aug 7 | 12:14PM

As part of their 2017-18 yearbook, The Hockey News has the Rangers Top 10 prospects listed as:
•Lias Andersson (C)
•Igor Shesterkin (G)
•Anthony DeAngelo (D)
•Adam Huska (G)
•Filip Chytil (C)
•Sean Day (D)
•Ryan Graves (D)
•Ryan Gropp (LW)
•Tyler Wall (G)
•Tim Gettinger (LW)

On Andersson, they wrote "The Rangers weren't the only team picking in the top 10 that wanted Andersson, but they struck first so they get the spoils. A fast, competitive two-way force, Andersson is a coach's dream. Excellent hockey sense, work ethic and plays 200ft game. Needs to get bigger.

In the spring, THN had Shesterkin, Huska and Day as the Rangers top prospects.

Last summer they had the Rangers top prospects as Pavel Buchnevich, Brady Skjei and Brandon Halverson.

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Posted 2017-08-08 5:12 AM (#678870 - in reply to #677153)
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The cap hit is the cap hit, so front loaded doesn't mean much (unless you are talking about actual money outside of the cap which doesn't matter much either I don't think since the Leafs owners are loaded). It's an over 35 contract and his AAV is pretty big.

Now I'm not saying it is a bad contract for that team, AAV is too high but that team feels like they needed his vet leadership so who am I to judge, but that cap hit will be with them for all 3-years I believe.

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Where is Halverson? He is out of the top 10 already? 3 G on the list...only 1 can play...Lots of question marks on that list
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Seems about right. I don't know enough about Tyler Wall to agree, but I guess they don't have much faith in Nieves, either.....

Pionk isn't considered a prospect? Or does he not stand a chance? Alexei Bereglazov?

But maybe Wall is that good.... I would say the top 8 on that list deserve to be there, but the bottom 2 are debatable
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No Tambelinni on that list...Is he done? Where is Boo? They say he will be competing for a roster spot...Shouldnt he be on the list if that is the case?
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3 Goalies plus Halverson is too much...make some deals
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Sean Day... Believe !

I watched the USA Finland game the other night and watched him play....He ain't ready...not even close...He was scratched for the Canada game... I would be open to dealing him
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They don't have him listed at # 6 for nothing
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True...We hope..also been hearing about Graves and Tambellinni for a while now....where are they?
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Mikey Red - 2017-08-08 1:09 PM

True...We hope..also been hearing about Graves and Tambellinni for a while now....where are they?


The list you end up with really depends on the ranking criteria. This list is strange to me because it seems to favor neither talent, nor NHL-readiness. Guys like Graves, Gropp, Nieves, Pionk, Bereglazov are closer to NHL readiness than some of these other guys, but at this point they don't as much upside and for now, look more like depth guys.

Some lists favor NHL-readiness, ie "how soon is he to being a regular". Others favor pure talent and upside, and disregard age or how likely he is to fulfill that potential.

Halverson could have been included, but he had a tough season behind a terrible Hartford team. It's actually less a problem with his play, and speaks more to how the Rangers now have one of the deepest goalie prospect pools in the league. Shesterkin is dominant in the KHL. Wall put up incredible numbers as a freshman and led his team to first place in the regular season and then a conferenece championship for Hockey East. Huska similarly had a good season for UConn and probably has as much upside as Shesterkin did at that age. I would say Halverson is a 8-12 prospect in our system. The fact that we have Georgiev and he's our 5th best goalie prospect speaks volumes.

Sean Day is a couple of years away from the NHL. No one should be using the summer showcase to determine whether or not to keep a guy or not. He's pure raw talent at this point. Kreider at the same age was similar, all raw tools and hadn't put any of them together. Day i think is actually ahead of Kreider at the same age. Give him a couple of years and see what you have.

At this point, guys like Graves, Tambellini, Nieves, Gropp, are looking like they'll be depth guys. Some younger guys have more potential and pure talent (Day, Shesterkin Chityl) but we won't see them for a couple of years. If their development stalls they'll fall into the former group. If a guy like Gropp can put it all together and have a great AHL season he will move up the charts significantly.

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Graves and Gropp are absolutely not depth guys. Gropp's skill set is tailor made for today's NHL. Considering he would probably have one of the top 3 shots of our forwards from day one on this roster, he projects as a top 6 guy. Unlike most of our forwards, he actually can shoot the puck well. Graves was stuck on a complete crap team with a moron head coach who the game passed bye. Sadly, Staal and Holden haven't been dealt. Holden absolutely has to go. I wouldn't count Smith as a top 4 guy either. He didn't exactly light the world on fire over his career with Detroit. Graves needs to be on the starting roster. Gropp has tremendous speed, a tremendous shot, he's a good passer, solid hockey sense and has the frame to be a big body though he is still kind of thin. On the other hand, Buchnevich is a a beanpole who looked like a juniors player at times last year. However, he's Russian so most of our fan base will bend over for him.

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itsmcilrathtime - 2017-08-08 5:15 PM

Graves and Gropp are absolutely not depth guys. Gropp's skill set is tailor made for today's NHL. Considering he would probably have one of the top 3 shots of our forwards from day one on this roster, he projects as a top 6 guy. Unlike most of our forwards, he actually can shoot the puck well. Graves was stuck on a complete crap team with a moron head coach who the game passed bye. Sadly, Staal and Holden haven't been dealt. Holden absolutely has to go. I wouldn't count Smith as a top 4 guy either. He didn't exactly light the world on fire over his career with Detroit. Graves needs to be on the starting roster. Gropp has tremendous speed, a tremendous shot, he's a good passer, solid hockey sense and has the frame to be a big body though he is still kind of thin. On the other hand, Buchnevich is a a beanpole who looked like a juniors player at times last year. However, he's Russian so most of our fan base will bend over for him.


Gropp is good but he's no Yogan or Matt Fraser, that's for sure!

He's got a big year this year. He was sent back for his overage year, which is not where you want him to be since he was AHL eligible last year. He didn't exactly light it up last year either until reunited with Barzal. At this point he's undeniably taken a step back in his development. Next year in the AHL, he has a chance to make that back up for sure, but anyone who's paying attention knows all this. He's a big kid and they tend to take a little longer to develop so it's not the end of the world, he's just a bit behind where we want him.

Graves at this point does not project to be a top 4 NHL defender, and even if he turns out to be a depth/bottom pair guy, that's a huge win for the Rangers who drafted him in the 4th round. Calling prospects depth guys is not this huge insult that you always take it out to be, it's a realistic assessment of where they are in their development versus their peers at the same age. Rangers aren't going to draft top 4 defenders and top 6 forwards with every pick.

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Agreed...Gropp is in a make it or break it year...Ive read as much that Graves is not an NHL defenseman...But Mclrath you are 100% right about Buch...He is an unproven that gets alot of love...and also why I would love to get Trouba...That would solidify our D...You can def make the argument that Smitty is 3rd pair material
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You absolutely trade a 30 yr old Mac instead of giving him a Staal contract
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And we gotta see what Deangelo is all about...He def has skills on the O side...You cannot have Staal and Holden as 3rd pair this season...F that
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Graves' main problem that I see is the coach.I've read that his skating isn't the greatest,and so far during his tenure here,Chewbacca is unwilling to play a young defenseman that doesn't skate like he has a missile up his ass.The longer This clown remains as coach,the more likely Graves will be in Hartford or traded.
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Lol lol yep Mac and Shatt Skjei and Trouba Staal and Smitty until you can get rid of Staal...then slot in Deangelo
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Graves and Gropp are absolutely not depth guys. Gropp's skill set is tailor made for today's NHL. Considering he would probably have one of the top 3 shots of our forwards from day one on this roster, he projects as a top 6 guy. Unlike most of our forwards, he actually can shoot the puck well. Graves was stuck on a complete crap team with a moron head coach who the game passed bye. Sadly, Staal and Holden haven't been dealt. Holden absolutely has to go. I wouldn't count Smith as a top 4 guy either. He didn't exactly light the world on fire over his career with Detroit. Graves needs to be on the starting roster. Gropp has tremendous speed, a tremendous shot, he's a good passer, solid hockey sense and has the frame to be a big body though he is still kind of thin. On the other hand, Buchnevich is a a beanpole who looked like a juniors player at times last year. However, he's Russian so most of our fan base will bend over for him.


Gropp is good but he's no Yogan or Matt Fraser, that's for sure!

He's got a big year this year. He was sent back for his overage year, which is not where you want him to be since he was AHL eligible last year. He didn't exactly light it up last year either until reunited with Barzal. At this point he's undeniably taken a step back in his development. Next year in the AHL, he has a chance to make that back up for sure, but anyone who's paying attention knows all this. He's a big kid and they tend to take a little longer to develop so it's not the end of the world, he's just a bit behind where we want him.

Graves at this point does not project to be a top 4 NHL defender, and even if he turns out to be a depth/bottom pair guy, that's a huge win for the Rangers who drafted him in the 4th round. Calling prospects depth guys is not this huge insult that you always take it out to be, it's a realistic assessment of where they are in their development versus their peers at the same age. Rangers aren't going to draft top 4 defenders and top 6 forwards with every pick.




Gropp is a 21 year old in Sept. 6'3 is not overly huge in the CHL especially for a overage. Being big is not holding back or slowing down his development. He's always been a very good skater and has the hands. Some young 16-17 year old big kids struggle with their skating catching up to their size but that was never a issue with Gropp. He should have thrived in Jr hockey. Reality is he has not got appreciably better after being drafted.
He's got a ways to go just to get back in the conversation.
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Mikey Red - 2017-08-08 7:08 PM

You absolutely trade a 30 yr old Mac instead of giving him a Staal contract


I don't know dude, you ask a player to give you the best years of his life, Staal gave an eye, and then dump them like trash when it comes your turn to show loyalty... How many players would want to play for a team that does that to players?

Girardi, Staal... sucky contracts, but the Rangers did right by them, these guys were part of the major culture change here after 7 years of no playoffs... and if the Rangers could've stayed healthy, and scored a few more goals.... they may have had their numbers in the rafters.








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Mikey Red - 2017-08-08 7:08 PM

You absolutely trade a 30 yr old Mac instead of giving him a Staal contract


I don't know dude, you ask a player to give you the best years of his life, Staal gave an eye, and then dump them like trash when it comes your turn to show loyalty... How many players would want to play for a team that does that to players?

Girardi, Staal... sucky contracts, but the Rangers did right by them, these guys were part of the major culture change here after 7 years of no playoffs... and if the Rangers could've stayed healthy, and scored a few more goals.... they may have had their numbers in the rafters.









Andy! Hey dude!...I hear what you are saying totally...But in a cap world and trying to win...Mac has a ton of miles on him ...If you can trade him for real assets...I would...but if he can keep up his play well into his 30's then its ok if you keep him and pay him...but the NYR way forever... has been doing it the wrong way...Giradi played a ton of hockey ...Staal got hurt yes and that sucks because he was a really good D man before
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Even Lundquists contract at this point is a bad contract
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I hope Graves gets a decent shot this fall from double mint but he won't. I'm pretty sure he will be railroaded out of town by the coach as soon as he can. 2 pretty good years in Hartford and not even a callup. The other thing working against him is Bereglazov pretty much going to be handed a spot otherwise he takes his toys and goes home. Bereglazov' presence will also pretty much eliminate Pionks chances.
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Another question is how much input Sather still has...He is still around...The F'n guy was at the draft table
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R me and you have to form a coup tpo get rid of AV





How bout hiring Vinny?
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R me and you have to form a coup tpo get rid of AV





How bout hiring Vinny?

Yeah sounds good!
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Another question is how much input Sather still has...He is still around...The F'n guy was at the draft table


Didn't it occur to you that the Shattenkirk signing was typical Sather? He's involved...as long as he's around he's involved.

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R me and you have to form a coup tpo get rid of AV


I would like to join that coup!!!
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Mikey Red - 2017-08-08 6:09 PM

R me and you have to form a coup tpo get rid of AV


I would like to join that coup!!!

Yay! we got room bro...hop in!
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Mikey Red - 2017-08-08 8:18 PM

Another question is how much input Sather still has...He is still around...The F'n guy was at the draft table


Didn't it occur to you that the Shattenkirk signing was typical Sather? He's involved...as long as he's around he's involved.

Yeah it sure seems that way...unfortunately
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Mikey Red - 2017-08-08 8:18 PM

Another question is how much input Sather still has...He is still around...The F'n guy was at the draft table


Didn't it occur to you that the Shattenkirk signing was typical Sather? He's involved...as long as he's around he's involved.

Yeah it sure seems that way...unfortunately


In other news, another CG by Kluber.

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I hope Graves gets a decent shot this fall from double mint but he won't. I'm pretty sure he will be railroaded out of town by the coach as soon as he can. 2 pretty good years in Hartford and not even a callup. The other thing working against him is Bereglazov pretty much going to be handed a spot otherwise he takes his toys and goes home. Bereglazov' presence will also pretty much eliminate Pionks chances.



Yep Rranger. This is my fear also. Kid was an All-Star on a crap Hartford team. He would have the second hardest shot in the NHL if he played this year. Yet, AV seems to like smaller, non physical defenseman who skate really well. Thus why the front of the net is never protected in front of Hank. Holden can be dealt. Obviously, he isn't the problem. Staal is. If he starts sitting in the stands enough, he'll probably ask for a deal. You would think with the garbage defenseman a lot of teams use, Staal at 50% retained would be an upgrade for some. I suspect Vegas will be awful. They probably will want to acquire more picks. I'm thinking Staal retained, a 3rd and maybe Nieves for Lindberg half way through the season. I see Lindberg doing nothing on a team like that.
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In The Hockey News Yearbook's list of Top 50 players, Kevin Shattenkirk ranked 34th and Ryan McDonagh ranked 35th.

On Shattenkirk, who was not ranked on last year's list, they wrote "the biggest free agent of the summer, Shattenkirk even gave his hometown Rangers a discount. In exchange, New York gets an elite puck-mover in his prime."ere he was already the Rangers'

On McDonagh, who was ranked 50th last year, they wrote "getting an elite, right-handed "D" partner in Shattenkirk is going to unlock McDonagh in New York, where he was already the Rangers' premier defenseman.

Elsewhere in the issue, they wrote of Shattenkirk "make not mistake, Shattenkirk, the most coveted free agent on the board, could've taken more term and more cash. But the NY native loved the fit in Manhattan, so he accepted a bit of a pre-emptive hometown discount. The best part? He's the righthanded shot partner that captain Ryan McDonagh needs on the first pairing.

Henrik Lundqvist, for the second straight year, was not listed as one of the top 50 players in the NHL.

Adam Rotter: This kind of list reinforces that the Rangers are a team that succeeded last year, and will again this year, because of their depth and the sum of all of their parts. I think that if you were to expand the list you would probably see Henrik Lundqvist and Mats Zuccarello next and then a bunch of players grouped together, Skjei, Miller, Kreider, Hayes, that all took steps last year and with another step or two could close in on being part of a list like this. If I were to pick one Ranger to be part of this list next year it would probably be Mika Zibanejad as he looks to grab hold of the Rangers number one center spot and make good on the faith the Rangers showed in him with his new contract.


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Shattenkirk and McDonagh listed in The Hockey News Top 50 Players
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In The Hockey News Yearbook's list of Top 50 players, Kevin Shattenkirk ranked 34th and Ryan McDonagh ranked 35th.

On Shattenkirk, who was not ranked on last year's list, they wrote "the biggest free agent of the summer, Shattenkirk even gave his hometown Rangers a discount. In exchange, New York gets an elite puck-mover in his prime."ere he was already the Rangers'

Someone please tell me how a player who does not rate as a top 50 last season suddenly become a top 50 just because he signs with the rangers....he had less than a stellar year, showed nothing in the playoffs, but he's suddenly a top 50 player in the NHL.

This is beyond stupid.
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Do you ever have any good words to say about the Rangers Mj? The guy did score 56 points last season. He was also very misused in the playoffs by the Caps. Now that is no excuse for his poor play, he did play poorly, but that is reality though. I also don't put much/any stock in rankings like these that are done for BS talk and to sell subscriptions, but Jesus man you never have a kind word to say about anything Ranger.

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Graves and Gropp are absolutely not depth guys. Gropp's skill set is tailor made for today's NHL. Considering he would probably have one of the top 3 shots of our forwards from day one on this roster, he projects as a top 6 guy. Unlike most of our forwards, he actually can shoot the puck well. Graves was stuck on a complete crap team with a moron head coach who the game passed bye. Sadly, Staal and Holden haven't been dealt. Holden absolutely has to go. I wouldn't count Smith as a top 4 guy either. He didn't exactly light the world on fire over his career with Detroit. Graves needs to be on the starting roster. Gropp has tremendous speed, a tremendous shot, he's a good passer, solid hockey sense and has the frame to be a big body though he is still kind of thin. On the other hand, Buchnevich is a a beanpole who looked like a juniors player at times last year. However, he's Russian so most of our fan base will bend over for him.


Gropp is good but he's no Yogan or Matt Fraser, that's for sure!

He's got a big year this year. He was sent back for his overage year, which is not where you want him to be since he was AHL eligible last year. He didn't exactly light it up last year either until reunited with Barzal. At this point he's undeniably taken a step back in his development. Next year in the AHL, he has a chance to make that back up for sure, but anyone who's paying attention knows all this. He's a big kid and they tend to take a little longer to develop so it's not the end of the world, he's just a bit behind where we want him.

Graves at this point does not project to be a top 4 NHL defender, and even if he turns out to be a depth/bottom pair guy, that's a huge win for the Rangers who drafted him in the 4th round. Calling prospects depth guys is not this huge insult that you always take it out to be, it's a realistic assessment of where they are in their development versus their peers at the same age. Rangers aren't going to draft top 4 defenders and top 6 forwards with every pick.




Gropp is a 21 year old in Sept. 6'3 is not overly huge in the CHL especially for a overage. Being big is not holding back or slowing down his development. He's always been a very good skater and has the hands. Some young 16-17 year old big kids struggle with their skating catching up to their size but that was never a issue with Gropp. He should have thrived in Jr hockey. Reality is he has not got appreciably better after being drafted.
He's got a ways to go just to get back in the conversation.


Point was just that unlike pure skill forwards, larger guys who play a more power-oriented game, take longer to develop those skills and put them together in an effective way. Gropp's game is like that, he has a lot of individual tools but they all just need some fine tuning to really take it to the next level (and he hasn't yet). That's part of why they sent him back to junior for his overage year, better chance against lower competition to put all the skills together.

Next year in the AHL one of two things will likely happen, he will "get it" and put together a decent season in the AHL and be back on track, or the larger faster players will expose him and he'll be gone after next year. I don't even expect him to be among the scoring leaders, I'd say if he puts up 30-40 points it will be a huge success for him to build on. Like you said he hasn't gotten appreciably better since being drafted, and even his point production last year was based in large part on Barzal's return. He had a disappointing WJC. He hasn't proven he can play and be effective without Barzal unfortunately, next year will be his first full season without that crutch.




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Do you ever have any good words to say about the Rangers Mj? The guy did score 56 points last season. He was also very misused in the playoffs by the Caps. Now that is no excuse for his poor play, he did play poorly, but that is reality though. I also don't put much/any stock in rankings like these that are done for BS talk and to sell subscriptions, but Jesus man you never have a kind word to say about anything Ranger.

When good words are needed, they are said.

FYI -- Chris Kreider scored 53 points last season (career highs)...where are all the good words about him?

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Re: Graves, last year the Rangers did not have a need to recall any AHL defensemen all year, so can't really hold that against AV.

The only time they recalled a D last year was March 1 (Kampfer) to meet roster requirements, he was sent back down the same day.

The year before that, Graves was not as good, and on the two occasions they needed a callup, they recalled Skjei. Not sure if you think Graves should be recalled before Skjei, but I don't.

Opportunity for NHL action for Graves has been limited due more to the NHL roster than anything else.

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Mikey Red - 2017-08-08 7:41 PM

Even Lundquists contract at this point is a bad contract


Of course it is because of his, age... what can you do? He gave the Rangers their best ten years of their tainted history... eventually, as players age (Leetch - Mess - Graves etc etc etc) they under value their contracts... and it has to be looked at as rendered services.

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You absolutely trade a 30 yr old Mac instead of giving him a Staal contract


I don't know dude, you ask a player to give you the best years of his life, Staal gave an eye, and then dump them like trash when it comes your turn to show loyalty... How many players would want to play for a team that does that to players?

Girardi, Staal... sucky contracts, but the Rangers did right by them, these guys were part of the major culture change here after 7 years of no playoffs... and if the Rangers could've stayed healthy, and scored a few more goals.... they may have had their numbers in the rafters.











I understand what you are saying Andy but let's look at the other side of the coin.Maybe every contract shouldn't come with no trade clauses,and in particular no movement clauses.Maybe Staal would do very good in Hartford training some of these young guys and still making his 5.7 million.These clauses basically back the team and the player into a corner.
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Mikey Red - 2017-08-08 7:08 PM

You absolutely trade a 30 yr old Mac instead of giving him a Staal contract


I don't know dude, you ask a player to give you the best years of his life, Staal gave an eye, and then dump them like trash when it comes your turn to show loyalty... How many players would want to play for a team that does that to players?

Girardi, Staal... sucky contracts, but the Rangers did right by them, these guys were part of the major culture change here after 7 years of no playoffs... and if the Rangers could've stayed healthy, and scored a few more goals.... they may have had their numbers in the rafters.









Andy! Hey dude!...I hear what you are saying totally...But in a cap world and trying to win...Mac has a ton of miles on him ...If you can trade him for real assets...I would...but if he can keep up his play well into his 30's then its ok if you keep him and pay him...but the NYR way forever... has been doing it the wrong way...Giradi played a ton of hockey ...Staal got hurt yes and that sucks because he was a really good D man before


One big difference - Staal and Girardi never had a thimbleful of the talent that MacD does. Every team should trade their (arguably) best player when he's in his prime ... not.
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RANGERNUT - 2017-08-09 6:16 AM

Shattenkirk and McDonagh listed in The Hockey News Top 50 Players
Aug 8 | 6:18PM

In The Hockey News Yearbook's list of Top 50 players, Kevin Shattenkirk ranked 34th and Ryan McDonagh ranked 35th.

On Shattenkirk, who was not ranked on last year's list, they wrote "the biggest free agent of the summer, Shattenkirk even gave his hometown Rangers a discount. In exchange, New York gets an elite puck-mover in his prime."ere he was already the Rangers'

Someone please tell me how a player who does not rate as a top 50 last season suddenly become a top 50 just because he signs with the rangers....he had less than a stellar year, showed nothing in the playoffs, but he's suddenly a top 50 player in the NHL.

This is beyond stupid.



In all sincerity a very astute observation and a excellent unanswerable question.
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Rranger - 2017-08-09 12:02 PM

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RANGERNUT - 2017-08-09 6:16 AM

Shattenkirk and McDonagh listed in The Hockey News Top 50 Players
Aug 8 | 6:18PM

In The Hockey News Yearbook's list of Top 50 players, Kevin Shattenkirk ranked 34th and Ryan McDonagh ranked 35th.

On Shattenkirk, who was not ranked on last year's list, they wrote "the biggest free agent of the summer, Shattenkirk even gave his hometown Rangers a discount. In exchange, New York gets an elite puck-mover in his prime."ere he was already the Rangers'

Someone please tell me how a player who does not rate as a top 50 last season suddenly become a top 50 just because he signs with the rangers....he had less than a stellar year, showed nothing in the playoffs, but he's suddenly a top 50 player in the NHL.

This is beyond stupid.



In all sincerity a very astute observation and a excellent unanswerable question.


Obviously, his resident press agent doesn't agree.
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Shattenkirk and McDonagh listed in The Hockey News Top 50 Players
Aug 8 | 6:18PM

In The Hockey News Yearbook's list of Top 50 players, Kevin Shattenkirk ranked 34th and Ryan McDonagh ranked 35th.

On Shattenkirk, who was not ranked on last year's list, they wrote "the biggest free agent of the summer, Shattenkirk even gave his hometown Rangers a discount. In exchange, New York gets an elite puck-mover in his prime."ere he was already the Rangers'

Someone please tell me how a player who does not rate as a top 50 last season suddenly become a top 50 just because he signs with the rangers....he had less than a stellar year, showed nothing in the playoffs, but he's suddenly a top 50 player in the NHL.

This is beyond stupid.



In all sincerity a very astute observation and a excellent unanswerable question.


Obviously, his resident press agent doesn't agree.




Soon the proof will be in da pudding.
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Shattenkirk and McDonagh listed in The Hockey News Top 50 Players
Aug 8 | 6:18PM

In The Hockey News Yearbook's list of Top 50 players, Kevin Shattenkirk ranked 34th and Ryan McDonagh ranked 35th.

On Shattenkirk, who was not ranked on last year's list, they wrote "the biggest free agent of the summer, Shattenkirk even gave his hometown Rangers a discount. In exchange, New York gets an elite puck-mover in his prime."ere he was already the Rangers'

Someone please tell me how a player who does not rate as a top 50 last season suddenly become a top 50 just because he signs with the rangers....he had less than a stellar year, showed nothing in the playoffs, but he's suddenly a top 50 player in the NHL.

This is beyond stupid.



In all sincerity a very astute observation and a excellent unanswerable question.


Obviously, his resident press agent doesn't agree.




Soon the proof will be in da pudding.
Nice to know I'm not the only one passing up the proverbial Kool-Aid
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Shattenkirk had a career year last season....

His 44 pts in 72 games in 2015-2016 didn't land him in the top 100 that year...

In 2016-2017, though...

His 56 pts in 80 games was good enough for 4th among defenseman in the league... ahead of Duncan Kieth and Dustin Byfuglien

Tied with Karlsson in pts on the PP....


That's how he got on the top 100 this year. I know signing with The Rangers makes players lose all credibility around here, but come on....

McDonagh Shattenkirk

will be one of, if not the best pairing in the league


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Shattenkirk had a career year last season....

His 44 pts in 72 games in 2015-2016 didn't land him in the top 100 that year...

In 2016-2017, though...

His 56 pts in 80 games was good enough for 4th among defenseman in the league... ahead of Duncan Kieth and Dustin Byfuglien

Tied with Karlsson in pts on the PP....


That's how he got on the top 100 this year. I know signing with The Rangers makes players lose all credibility around here, but come on....

McDonagh Shattenkirk

will be one of, if not the best pairing in the league









Correction he had a career offensive production year, certainly no indication he had his best defensive year. And if he did how good is that? You can go round and round on this all you want. But reality is St Louis, and Washington both didn't want him. Money enters the equation but, both teams could have moved players around to keep him. They didn't because they have better, or at least they think they do. Which is a red flag given the lack of St.Louis success.
I'm also not going to conclude because Washington and St. Louis didn't want him he can't help the Rangers, but he has to prove he can especially on a first pair. I said seeing is believing and as far as I'm concerned he has it to do.

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Correction he had a career offensive production year, certainly no indication he had his best defensive year. And if he did how good is that? You can go round and round on this all you want. But reality is St Louis, and Washington both didn't want him. Money enters the equation but, both teams could have moved players around to keep him. They didn't because they have better, or at least they think they do. Which is a red flag given the lack of St.Louis success.
I'm also not going to conclude because Washington and St. Louis didn't want him he can't help the Rangers, but he has to prove he can especially on a first pair. I said seeing his believing and as fas I'm concerned he has it to do.


Until I see otherwise, I'm inclined to believe that Hitchcock and Trotz knew what they were doing.
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You absolutely trade a 30 yr old Mac instead of giving him a Staal contract


I don't know dude, you ask a player to give you the best years of his life, Staal gave an eye, and then dump them like trash when it comes your turn to show loyalty... How many players would want to play for a team that does that to players?

Girardi, Staal... sucky contracts, but the Rangers did right by them, these guys were part of the major culture change here after 7 years of no playoffs... and if the Rangers could've stayed healthy, and scored a few more goals.... they may have had their numbers in the rafters.


I understand what you are saying Andy but let's look at the other side of the coin.Maybe every contract shouldn't come with no trade clauses,and in particular no movement clauses.Maybe Staal would do very good in Hartford training some of these young guys and still making his 5.7 million.These clauses basically back the team and the player into a corner.


You are both right. At the end of the day, those contracts were slight overpayment when they were signed. Now, years later, they are anchors with NMC. To be realistic, the Rangers didn't have a lot of choice if they wanted to remain competitive, other than to sign those contracts. If they hadn't, they simply would not have been as competitive, during a time period where the feeling was absolutely win-now.

This is one of the reasons I'm constantly pushing for draft picks and prospects, these kids are the ones that give you cost-controlled options. So if there's a kid that's on the brink of making the NHL club, that gives you the option of not signing the next $36m contract that a 29 year old wants. Trade him away, get more assets, rinse, repeat.

Sure there are going to be core guys you want to retain long term, and sink or swim with, but if we had a Ryan Graves on the brink of NHL action, back when Girardi needed an extension, it sure would make it easier to not sign that contract? Back in 2014 when that contract was signed we had no defensive prospects. Connor Allen was probably at the top of the list. McIlrath still wasn't ready. Skjei was a freshman or a sophomore. We had no realistic options other than signing that contract, if we were to stay competitive.


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Correction he had a career offensive production year, certainly no indication he had his best defensive year. And if he did how good is that? You can go round and round on this all you want. But reality is St Louis, and Washington both didn't want him. Money enters the equation but, both teams could have moved players around to keep him. They didn't because they have better, or at least they think they do. Which is a red flag given the lack of St.Louis success.
I'm also not going to conclude because Washington and St. Louis didn't want him he can't help the Rangers, but he has to prove he can especially on a first pair. I said seeing his believing and as fas I'm concerned he has it to do.


Until I see otherwise, I'm inclined to believe that Hitchcock and Trotz knew what they were doing.


I think it was primarily a money choice for Wash and StL.

Both teams are close to the cap. Washington has about $4.1million left for 5 slots and St L has about $2.4million in space with a full roster.
Both teams have some big contracts on D:
Wash - $5.75m, $5.5m, $5.1m, $3.96m
St L - 6.5m, 5.5m , 5.4m, 2.9m

Shattenkirk made it clear he wanted to play in NY and Wash might have had zero chance other than a serious overpay to get him. He might have said the same thing to StL.
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God help Shattenkirk if he sucks here


A guy giving a discount to play on the Rangers gets a loooooooooooooong period before I start booing.
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God help Shattenkirk if he sucks here


A guy giving a discount to play on the Rangers gets a loooooooooooooong period before I start booing.

Let's hope it doesn't come to that...He is still getting "paid"
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Rangers and bad contracts are the forever hiccup with this team...Its a cap world now...Gotta be smart...gotta draft well ...You can't give Mac a monster contract in 2 years when he will have a zillion miles on him already


The Shattenkirk contract will be about what you're looking at for a McDonagh extention imo. 6.65 million for an additional 3 or 4 years..... depending on his play.

But we'll cross that bridge when we come to it.

In all fairness, Gorton doesn't have any bad contracts on his record, and so far he's drafted well.... I'm not sure if forever hiccup is as good of a phrase as Sather hiccup....
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Lol Hell NO ...Mac plays 40 minutes a night...when he is 30...it will feel like 40...and yes...I wasn't targeting Gorton...he just got the job...Sather.. worst NYR GM ever
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God help Shattenkirk if he sucks here


God Help Shattenkirk if he's less than the next coming of Bobby Orr.
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God help Shattenkirk if he sucks here


God Help Shattenkirk if he's less than the next coming of Bobby Orr.

Lol that too!
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God help Shattenkirk if he sucks here


God Help Shattenkirk if he's less than the next coming of Bobby Orr.

Lol that too!


I'm storing up on popcorn so I'll be prepared for the multitude of excuses when that first defensive lapse happens.
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God help Shattenkirk if he sucks here


God Help Shattenkirk if he's less than the next coming of Bobby Orr.

Lol that too!


I'm storing up on popcorn so I'll be prepared for the multitude of excuses when that first defensive lapse happens.


Bobby Orr never made a mistake. He was flawless, and so should Shattenkirk.

If any one of the other world class talents beat him, he is automatically a bust.

Worst signing ever... can't wait to boo him....

This fan base sucks

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God help Shattenkirk if he sucks here


God Help Shattenkirk if he's less than the next coming of Bobby Orr.

Lol that too!


I'm storing up on popcorn so I'll be prepared for the multitude of excuses when that first defensive lapse happens.

he he he he
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And then we complain about why The Garden is so quite....


Well it's because they "wait for something to cheer about" instead of cheering their team on just for being on the ice....

Instead we boo our team in the playoffs for blowing a lead... we don't encourage Lundqvist to do better, we call for him to be traded.

Giacomin never won a cup, either... but people were devestated when he was traded.... not the case here. People can't wait for him to leave.

Here comes a true blue world class talent, and already before he even steps on the ice... in spite of him taking a discount to come here... in spite of him leaving dollars and term on the table. Him making it public that he wants to be here... in spite of him growing up a die hard bleed blue Ranger fan

Still.... help him if/when he isn't the best player on the ice every night.

And trade McDonagh while we're at it.
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The Garden is a joke now because the blue collar Ranger fans that used to sit in the red seats....cant afford to even go anymore
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The Garden is a joke now because the blue collar Ranger fans that used to sit in the red seats....cant afford to even go anymore


I'm giving up my tickets this year.
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robstones - 2017-08-09 4:33 PM

And then we complain about why The Garden is so quite....


Well it's because they "wait for something to cheer about" instead of cheering their team on just for being on the ice....

Instead we boo our team in the playoffs for blowing a lead... we don't encourage Lundqvist to do better, we call for him to be traded.

Giacomin never won a cup, either... but people were devestated when he was traded.... not the case here. People can't wait for him to leave.

Here comes a true blue world class talent, and already before he even steps on the ice... in spite of him taking a discount to come here... in spite of him leaving dollars and term on the table. Him making it public that he wants to be here... in spite of him growing up a die hard bleed blue Ranger fan

Still.... help him if/when he isn't the best player on the ice every night.

And trade McDonagh while we're at it.

Unfortunately we can't trade Henrik...nobody will take that contract
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The Garden is a joke now because the blue collar Ranger fans that used to sit in the red seats....cant afford to even go anymore


I'm giving up my tickets this year.

Excellent move !
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Graves and Gropp are absolutely not depth guys. Gropp's skill set is tailor made for today's NHL. Considering he would probably have one of the top 3 shots of our forwards from day one on this roster, he projects as a top 6 guy. Unlike most of our forwards, he actually can shoot the puck well. Graves was stuck on a complete crap team with a moron head coach who the game passed bye. Sadly, Staal and Holden haven't been dealt. Holden absolutely has to go. I wouldn't count Smith as a top 4 guy either. He didn't exactly light the world on fire over his career with Detroit. Graves needs to be on the starting roster. Gropp has tremendous speed, a tremendous shot, he's a good passer, solid hockey sense and has the frame to be a big body though he is still kind of thin. On the other hand, Buchnevich is a a beanpole who looked like a juniors player at times last year. However, he's Russian so most of our fan base will bend over for him.


Gropp is good but he's no Yogan or Matt Fraser, that's for sure!

He's got a big year this year. He was sent back for his overage year, which is not where you want him to be since he was AHL eligible last year. He didn't exactly light it up last year either until reunited with Barzal. At this point he's undeniably taken a step back in his development. Next year in the AHL, he has a chance to make that back up for sure, but anyone who's paying attention knows all this. He's a big kid and they tend to take a little longer to develop so it's not the end of the world, he's just a bit behind where we want him.

Graves at this point does not project to be a top 4 NHL defender, and even if he turns out to be a depth/bottom pair guy, that's a huge win for the Rangers who drafted him in the 4th round. Calling prospects depth guys is not this huge insult that you always take it out to be, it's a realistic assessment of where they are in their development versus their peers at the same age. Rangers aren't going to draft top 4 defenders and top 6 forwards with every pick.




Gropp is a 21 year old in Sept. 6'3 is not overly huge in the CHL especially for a overage. Being big is not holding back or slowing down his development. He's always been a very good skater and has the hands. Some young 16-17 year old big kids struggle with their skating catching up to their size but that was never a issue with Gropp. He should have thrived in Jr hockey. Reality is he has not got appreciably better after being drafted.
He's got a ways to go just to get back in the conversation.


Point was just that unlike pure skill forwards, larger guys who play a more power-oriented game, take longer to develop those skills and put them together in an effective way. Gropp's game is like that, he has a lot of individual tools but they all just need some fine tuning to really take it to the next level (and he hasn't yet). That's part of why they sent him back to junior for his overage year, better chance against lower competition to put all the skills together.

Next year in the AHL one of two things will likely happen, he will "get it" and put together a decent season in the AHL and be back on track, or the larger faster players will expose him and he'll be gone after next year. I don't even expect him to be among the scoring leaders, I'd say if he puts up 30-40 points it will be a huge success for him to build on. Like you said he hasn't gotten appreciably better since being drafted, and even his point production last year was based in large part on Barzal's return. He had a disappointing WJC. He hasn't proven he can play and be effective without Barzal unfortunately, next year will be his first full season without that crutch.







I'm not sure where you get power oriented game players take longer to develop those skills and put them together in a effective way. Been around and never heard that before. Big guys typically have had that advantage all their playing career and have that figured out by juniors. The knock on big guys has always been the sudden growth spurt leaving there motor skills under construction til mind and body get coordinated. This kid never went through that, he's been blessed with excellent skills, available to him his entire Jr. Career.
I don't place any blame on the type of game he plays, his problem is how invested he is in the game. That's always been the knock on him. It's why he slipped in the draft. He has some tuning to do, 98% of which is mental and continued physical development as he gets older.
This is a typical Gord Clark draft pick reach, that doesn't look like it's going to work out. More typically Clark nails it. . And no blame from me Clark has had pretty good success drafting, often swinging for the fence on players who have dropped in the draft. Gropp dropped in the draft because he wasn't using all his tools, and continues to remain uninvested.
Either he gets it together in Hartford or he's going to end up in the ECHL.




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Mikey Red - 2017-08-09 6:39 PM

The Garden is a joke now because the blue collar Ranger fans that used to sit in the red seats....cant afford to even go anymore


The Blue collar used to sit in the Blue seats... the red seats have been full of suits and ties since the, well the 40s 50s and forever. The biggest Rangers curse is them playing in mid-town Manhattan.


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Mikey Red - 2017-08-09 6:39 PM

The Garden is a joke now because the blue collar Ranger fans that used to sit in the red seats....cant afford to even go anymore


The Blue collar used to sit in the Blue seats... the red seats have been full of suits and ties since the, well the 40s 50s and forever. The biggest Rangers curse is them playing in mid-town Manhattan.

Yeah I hear ya...My point was that the blue collar guy could sit in the reds if he wanted to...not no more
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The Garden is a joke now because the blue collar Ranger fans that used to sit in the red seats....cant afford to even go anymore


I'm giving up my tickets this year.

This is my last year with them too.Had them since 1992.When the Rangers last played under the not completely renovated Garden which I believe was 2012 my ticket price was $39.This year the average ticket price is $78,They are not worth that,The $6 I save on train fare I can buy a six pack and watch at home on my 70" tv.plus now they have this new pricing schedule where I think my tkts have 8 different face values on them.

I also think they are having trouble selling them.After the playoffs I called my ticket rep and said I wanted to cancel.I was told I couldn't,since they already had half my money for this year,I really had no other option.Way to show your long time fans how much you appreciate all the money you've spent on the team for 25 years.I hope they start have empty seats on a regular basis.
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Mikey Red - 2017-08-09 6:39 PM

The Garden is a joke now because the blue collar Ranger fans that used to sit in the red seats....cant afford to even go anymore


I'm giving up my tickets this year.

This is my last year with them too.Had them since 1992.When the Rangers last played under the not completely renovated Garden which I believe was 2012 my ticket price was $39.This year the average ticket price is $78,They are not worth that,The $6 I save on train fare I can buy a six pack and watch at home on my 70" tv.plus now they have this new pricing schedule where I think my tkts have 8 different face values on them.

I also think they are having trouble selling them.After the playoffs I called my ticket rep and said I wanted to cancel.I was told I couldn't,since they already had half my money for this year,I really had no other option.Way to show your long time fans how much you appreciate all the money you've spent on the team for 25 years.I hope they start have empty seats on a regular basis.

Yeah totally..F them... Fn crooks...I remember in early 90's blue seats were like $16 US or something and now they are closer to $100
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I think they've taken a page out of the MLB playbook where prices are based on the opponent.

Yep...My brother has seats in 212...He told me about the new "Variable Pricing" based on the opponent...I go to the Playoffs with him...I hate the place
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Mine were in 115 -- was in a "group" of six people who shared 4 seats.
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Mine were in 115 -- was in a "group" of six people who shared 4 seats.

Ah cool...My Uncle has done that forever...he has really good seats...He controls 2 tix with 6 people and goes once in a while ....I forget what section but its the very low of the 200's a little off from center ice
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To put things in perspective,section 402 for the 1994 Stanley Cup Finals was $32 a ticket.
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To put things in perspective,section 402 for the 1994 Stanley Cup Finals was $32 a ticket.

I dont know if I had to choose which playoffs series I could of caught a game or 2 1986 or 1994
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94 game 7 double ot against the Devils.Doesn't get any better than that.
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I dont think I could of handled that lol...I had enough trouble listening to it on the radio at work that night
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I dont think I could of handled that lol...I had enough trouble listening to it on the radio at work that night


Section 402 was a huge hugfest that night.
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I dont think I could of handled that lol...I had enough trouble listening to it on the radio at work that night


I was a wreck sitting in front of the TV set.
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Thats awesome....closet thing I came to that was the Brad Richards game....I was in the middle of the row...and after the mosh pit stopped...I was 1 row down and in the aisle
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Mikey Red - 2017-08-09 10:11 PM

I dont think I could of handled that lol...I had enough trouble listening to it on the radio at work that night


I was a wreck sitting in front of the TV set.

I was 22 before the game....52 after it...when the Devils tied it I imagined what being on the Titanic was like...then when Matteau scored I was jumping at least 10 ft off the ground
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Mikey Red - 2017-08-09 10:11 PM

I dont think I could of handled that lol...I had enough trouble listening to it on the radio at work that night


I was a wreck sitting in front of the TV set.

I was 22 before the game....52 after it...when the Devils tied it I imagined what being on the Titanic was like...then when Matteau scored I was jumping at least 10 ft off the ground


In other news...looks like Brantley's injury is worse than thought....Tribe just obtained Jay Bruce from Mets.
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Bruce has had a great year and was a much better outfielder than I was led to believe.He's gonna help your team this year.
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Oddly enough, I'm a fan of both teams.
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Wow he passed thru waivers?


You're surprised...what's his name in Washington passed through also.
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hmmm... 13 mil


I think that was a big part of him not being traded before the deadline. most recent rumors had him possibly landing in Milwaukee. I saw the play Brantley was injured on....it didn't look that serious at the time.
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Mikey Red - 2017-08-09 11:25 PM

I gotta check it out Brantley is a good hitter


It was on a routine fly ball...he took two steps and it looked like he stumbled on the second or third step....he continued a few more steps...caught the fly ball and promptly sat down. He didn't look like he was in pain but everyone knew something happened...announcers were saying his reaction was as if something had snapped.
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The scouting reports on Filip Chytil from before the draft

Aug 9 | 6:38PM

The Rangers drafted Filip Chytil with the 21st pick in June's draft and heading into the draft he was ranked:
•The Hockey News: 63
•Future Considerations: 70th
•McKeens: 42nd
•Hockey Prospect: 28
•TSN: 31

The Hockey News wrote that Chytil is a "strong, two-way pivot does all the right things. Good international play."

Chytil was a bottom-six forward as a 17-year old in the Czech league and is an "impressive skater" who can be tough to check and has the ability to create things out of nothing. (ESPN Insider)

Rangers European Scout Jan Gajdosik said that Chytil learned how to play a two-way game while playing in the Czech Elite league and is a player who adjusts quickly and raises his level of play. (NYR)


Hockey Prospect wrote that Chytil is a "dynamic" offensive player that can play at a high speed and "excels" when he has the puck in open space.

They say that Chytil has an ability to reach "top speed" very quickly and that he uses his speed and skill together to "beat defenseman wide and weave in and out of traffic in the neutral zone."

They describe his ability with the puck as "creative" and has the ability to "embarrass defenseman with several dekes quickly and hard lateral fakes.

Other notes on Chytil from Hockey Prospect include:
•"His hands are fun to watch as he tends to be flashy, but he manages to pull off a high percentage of his dekes. The most dangerous moments for Chytil are when he is at full speed as defenseman have difficulty tracking him as he combines speed with quick hands."
•"Filip is often seen chipping pucks, or pushing the puck through sticks or legs and can slip by defenders easily. His rushes are entertaining and he has shown that he can single handedly skate and deke through a team on the way to the net."
•He has good vision and an make unexpected passes and likes to draw defenders to him before dishing the puck.
•"When he does score, he shows cockiness and is very obnoxious with his celebrations. In addition, he likes to twirl his stick and does this before most of the draws he has taken in international viewings."

McKeens called him one of the more "under-the-radar dynamic talents available, saying that he displays the "entire toolkit" on the ice and is above average as a "skater, shooter, puck handler and for his hockey IQ."

They added that Chytil doesn't shy away from contact although he is not the biggest in size and that while he still needs to work on his two-way game, he has shown an ability to play against men even while being one of the younger players in the draft.

Future Considerations writes that Chytil is a "speedy player with with good hockey sense and offensive skill."

They added that he uses his speed well while carrying the puck and that his vision allows him to find open players.

They added that Chytil "is a guy you will need to have patience with as he takes a few seasons to add strength, but he could be well worth
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RANGERNUT - 2017-08-10 7:04 AM

The scouting reports on Filip Chytil from before the draft



Please keep hockey out of the baseball thread
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Go Giants.


Go NY "Football" Giants!
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Rranger - 2017-08-09 10:52 PM

Go Giants.


Go NY "Football" Giants!


A plague on both your houses....I intended to post that the SF Giants were going nowhere!!!

GO HELMET HEADS!!! (That's Vikings for you noobs).
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Posted 2017-08-10 6:39 AM (#679005 - in reply to #679002)
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RANGERNUT - 2017-08-10 7:04 AM

The scouting reports on Filip Chytil from before the draft



Please keep hockey out of the "hijacked baseball" thread


Duly corrected.
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Posted 2017-08-10 8:49 AM (#679007 - in reply to #677153)
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Big Blue! The New York football Giants are going to be monsters this year!

... I'm not much for baseball, but I know you can't spell Elite without Eli
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Big Blue! The New York football Giants are going to be monsters this year!

... I'm not much for baseball, but I know you can't spell Elite without Eli


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Go NY "Football" Midgets!


Duly corrected.
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Rangerjunkie - 2017-08-10 8:31 AM

Go NY "Football" Midgets!


Duly corrected.


Hahahaha that's brutal, and completely uncalled for!!
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He (Mjolnir) is not funny! Don't encourage him....
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Posted 2017-08-10 9:27 AM (#679013 - in reply to #677153)
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Rangerjunkie - 2017-08-10 11:21 AM

He (Mjolnir) is not funny! Don't encourage him....


I don't need encouragement.
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Rangerjunkie - 2017-08-10 8:31 AM

Rranger - 2017-08-09 10:52 PM

Go Giants.


Go NY "Football" Giants!


A plague on both your houses....I intended to post that the SF Giants were going nowhere!!!

GO HELMET HEADS!!! (That's Vikings for you noobs).



No they are not but after being there so many times they are taking a break to let some others visit glory.
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Mikey Red - 2017-08-10 4:36 PM

White guys not welcome Mets

Much like the days when Minaya took over.

That doesn't trouble me as much as the possibility that Tebow may be called up.
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Mikey Red - 2017-08-10 4:36 PM

White guys not welcome Mets

Much like the days when Minaya took over.

That doesn't trouble me as much as the possibility that Tebow may be called up.

Yep...where is Paul LoDuca when you need him? Tebow absolutely is coming up...He will sell the building out...Its a shame he cant throw a football...He is a real life great person.
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Mjolnir - 2017-08-10 3:13 PM

Mikey Red - 2017-08-10 4:36 PM

White guys not welcome Mets

Much like the days when Minaya took over.

That doesn't trouble me as much as the possibility that Tebow may be called up.

Yep...where is Paul LoDuca when you need him? Tebow absolutely is coming up...He will sell the building out...Its a shame he cant throw a football...He is a real life great person.


Most fans will recognize it for the gimmick it is and Wilpons will lose money over it....you can only get so many tourists out to Citifield.
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RANGERNUT - 2017-08-10 7:04 AM

The scouting reports on Filip Chytil from before the draft



Please keep hockey out of the baseball thread

I spit the gatorade I was drinking on myself a little
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But if he goes deep? uh oh


Then he has trade value...I'm sure the prison stripes would be interested....oh right, Mets will have a chat and trade him elsewhere.
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Conforto batting cleanup?

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Doesn't look like Bruce is in the wahoo lineup

Nope...but lots of shots of him in the dugout.
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Don't now what TV channel...I don't have TV service.

Otherwise you have to follow it online I suppose
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Mjolnir - 2017-08-10 6:19 PM

Don't now what TV channel...I don't have TV service.

Otherwise you have to follow it online I suppose


Yes...I found a great site that has all the games in HD.
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Yankees losing to Canada 0-2


Awww....poor prison stripes!!
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Mikey Red - 2017-08-10 8:21 PM

Mjolnir - 2017-08-10 6:19 PM

Don't now what TV channel...I don't have TV service.

Otherwise you have to follow it online I suppose


Yes...I found a great site that has all the games in HD.

Nice!
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Mikey Red - 2017-08-10 8:26 PM

Yankees losing to Canada 0-2


Awww....poor prison stripes!!

LOL
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Don't now what TV channel...I don't have TV service.

Otherwise you have to follow it online I suppose


Yes...I found a great site that has all the games in HD.

Nice!

Indeed....has NHL, NFL and NBA as well
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Thats awesome! screw the "man"


And the final perk: You can pick which feed you want -- home or away!!!

Hot diggety!!!
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Ha ha ha awesome....What do you do for Ranger games? almost every booth in Hockey is bad
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Mikey Red - 2017-08-10 8:51 PM

Ha ha ha awesome....What do you do for Ranger games? almost every booth in Hockey is bad
I suffer through Micheletti.

BTW: Looks like we got another good Leiter coming up -- Al's nephew (Mike's son) just pitched a good couple of innings against Mets...he's got good splitter.
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Ha ha ha awesome....What do you do for Ranger games? almost every booth in Hockey is bad
I suffer through Micheletti.

BTW: Looks like we got another good Leiter coming up -- Al's nephew (Mike's son) just pitched a good couple of innings against Mets...he's got good splitter.

Yeah I hear ya...Im no fan of our booth....Yeah the Leiter kid might be onto something
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I liked Sam when he could see.

ha ha ha ...yeah and didnt scream as loud
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Mikey Red - 2017-08-10 9:38 PM

The Judge has K'd in 27 straight games


Rays have had a hit in every inning tonight
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Mikey Red - 2017-08-10 9:38 PM

The Judge has K'd in 27 straight games


Rays have had a hit in every inning tonight

uh oh 1st and 3rd w 2 out
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MJ dont look


I'm gonna kill THAT LURKER WHO SENT ME A PM!!!!! You know who you are!!!!
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Mutts winning behind deGrom (10 runs no less). So I guess it's safe for me to go and finish Mr. Mercedes.

Until the morrow, Mikey (and you who know who you are!!!!).
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Mjolnir - 2017-08-10 8:01 PM

Mutts winning behind deGrom (10 runs no less). So I guess it's safe for me to go and finish Mr. Mercedes.

Until the morrow, Mikey (and you who know who you are!!!!).

Lol you got it..night dude
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The scouting reports on Filip Chytil from before the draft



Please keep hockey out of the baseball thread


Sorry, I didn't realize anyone actually watched baseball let alone the Muts
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Henrik Lundqvist has been on the ice and is feeling good
Aug 10 | 1:09PM

8/10/17 | 3:58PM: Lundqvist said he has resumed skating this summer at the same time that he does every year and that things start to ramp up when he gets on the ice. (NHL.com)
He said that it's a process, like every year, to feel comfortable but that he takes things "step by step." (NHL.com)

1:09PM: Henrik Lundqvist said that he has been on the ice lately and that "everything feels good." (Expressen)

It was announced in June that Lundqvist would have a 4-6 week rehab plan after getting hurt in the World Championships.

And check out this link for Hankes new pad look
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http://blueseatblogs.com/2017/08/11/unthinkable-rangers-dangle-ryan...

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RANGERNUT - 2017-08-11 7:29 AM

Henrik Lundqvist has been on the ice and is feeling good
Aug 10 | 1:09PM

8/10/17 | 3:58PM: Lundqvist said he has resumed skating this summer at the same time that he does every year and that things start to ramp up when he gets on the ice. (NHL.com)
He said that it's a process, like every year, to feel comfortable but that he takes things "step by step." (NHL.com)

1:09PM: Henrik Lundqvist said that he has been on the ice lately and that "everything feels good." (Expressen)

It was announced in June that Lundqvist would have a 4-6 week rehab plan after getting hurt in the World Championships.

And check out this link for Hankes new pad look
https://www.sny.tv/rangers/news/henrik-lundqvist-may-be-using-some-r...


I saw these before, but just noticed The Garden ceiling as the back drop... nice touch
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itsmcilrathtime - 2017-08-11 7:24 AM

Go to a baseball chat board if you want to talk about a pansy sport with out of shape dumbazzzes.


Funny you're the only one bothered by this....and how is it so different from the pansy team AV has put together?

maybe you should just choose the "I'm not reading this" option and move on.

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RANGERNUT - 2017-08-11 7:29 AM

It was announced in June that Lundqvist would have a 4-6 week rehab plan after getting hurt in the World Championships.

And check out this link for Hankes new pad look
https://www.sny.tv/rangers/news/henrik-lundqvist-may-be-using-some-r...


Saw the pads a week or so ago....still hate that liberty logo.

Question: how many times has Henrik suffered an injury in those tournaments? I'm thinking this is the second or third time.
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robstones - 2017-08-11 6:31 AM

http://blueseatblogs.com/2017/08/11/unthinkable-rangers-dangle-ryan...

The bloggers definitely read what we say here


This was floated by Brooks a while back, in a column that dump took credit for.

I don't think it's unthinkable at all, you have to make sure that if you're giving a contract out to a 30 year old defenseman with a lot of miles, you have to be sure the term and money are reasonable for the level of play you expect over the term of the contract. Sure it might be acceptable to overpay the last couple of years if you can get a deal on the first couple. Ultimately that's a calculated risk that they'll have to take (or not take)

Skjei's play over the next year to 18 months is going to be the biggest driver of this. I said recently regarding resigning Girardi, the Rangers didn't have a lot of replacement options so signing Girardi was one of their only realistic options. If there aren't other defensemen who are going to be ready then that gives McDonagh leverage in a negotiation. If Skjei starts playing like McDonagh did his first couple of years, and another young defenseman steps up enough to be used in a second pair role, then McDonagh is either going to have to take a team-friendly contract or be traded.

The post mentions a number of our youngsters but I'd plead patience here - it's great to have young guys ready to step up but they're not all going to make it (and contribute to the "crowded blue line") It's not unlikely that Bereglazov is dissatisfied with playing time and returns to the KHL, then Pionk might end up being an AHLer, Day is going to take a couple of years regardless - so there goes the "crowded blueline".
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No one has called them a "talented crowed blueline"....there are a lot of ifs in that bunch.

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http://blueseatblogs.com/2017/08/11/unthinkable-rangers-dangle-ryan...

The bloggers definitely read what we say here

Lol yep...You have to consider it...Cap world...No way on Earth you can give him a Girardi and Staal type deal when he is 30
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itsmcilrathtime - 2017-08-11 5:24 AM

Go to a baseball chat board if you want to talk about a pansy sport with out of shape dumbazzzes.

boooooooooo
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Mjolnir - 2017-08-11 5:38 AM

itsmcilrathtime - 2017-08-11 7:24 AM

Go to a baseball chat board if you want to talk about a pansy sport with out of shape dumbazzzes.


Funny you're the only one bothered by this....and how is it so different from the pansy team AV has put together?

maybe you should just choose the "I'm not reading this" option and move on.

Wooo
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Mjolnir - 2017-08-11 6:46 AM

No one has called them a "talented crowed blueline"....there are a lot of ifs in that bunch.

Spot on...
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robstones - 2017-08-11 6:31 AM

http://blueseatblogs.com/2017/08/11/unthinkable-rangers-dangle-ryan...

The bloggers definitely read what we say here


This was floated by Brooks a while back, in a column that dump took credit for.

I don't think it's unthinkable at all, you have to make sure that if you're giving a contract out to a 30 year old defenseman with a lot of miles, you have to be sure the term and money are reasonable for the level of play you expect over the term of the contract. Sure it might be acceptable to overpay the last couple of years if you can get a deal on the first couple. Ultimately that's a calculated risk that they'll have to take (or not take)

Skjei's play over the next year to 18 months is going to be the biggest driver of this. I said recently regarding resigning Girardi, the Rangers didn't have a lot of replacement options so signing Girardi was one of their only realistic options. If there aren't other defensemen who are going to be ready then that gives McDonagh leverage in a negotiation. If Skjei starts playing like McDonagh did his first couple of years, and another young defenseman steps up enough to be used in a second pair role, then McDonagh is either going to have to take a team-friendly contract or be traded.

The post mentions a number of our youngsters but I'd plead patience here - it's great to have young guys ready to step up but they're not all going to make it (and contribute to the "crowded blue line" It's not unlikely that Bereglazov is dissatisfied with playing time and returns to the KHL, then Pionk might end up being an AHLer, Day is going to take a couple of years regardless - so there goes the "crowded blueline".

1000% correct...There is no room or time for sentimental contracts...Cap world ...If Trouba a can be gotten..It has to be explored
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sk4life40 - 2017-08-11 7:31 AM

I like watching baseball. Yeah they are all soft but it beats the alternative. (Nothing)

SK! Baseball off a wood bat is a great sound
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Posted 2017-08-11 7:50 AM (#679081 - in reply to #677153)
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Mjolnir - 2017-08-11 6:46 AM

No one has called them a "talented crowed blueline"....there are a lot of ifs in that bunch.

Spot on...


McDonagh Shattenkirk
Skjei Smith


Staal being a #5.... I know he isn't good enough to fill in to McDonagh's role if McD gets hurt anymore, but he's a top 4 on a lot of teams....

Holden, too.... maybe not on Cup contenders, but the fact that both of their spots are in jeopardy because of

Graves
Day
Pionk
Bereglazov
DeAngelo

They are all what ifs, absolutely. We know what we know about them, and outside of Tony D, none of them have NHL experience.... But all will be competing for a spot this year.

And really there's only one spot to be had if Holden and Staal both stay with the team... maybe two....

Day is almost certainly destined for Hartford at least for the start of the season, but the other 4 have legit chances.

Likely looking at a

Staal DeAngelo bottom pair with Graves beong first call up and Holden as the extra/ throw in to keep DeAngelo motivated to stay consistent


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Red Sox vs Yankees this weekend...I know 1 person who is pumped up ...


Worst time of the year....I find myself leading towards the Sox and that in itself is sickening.
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No one has called them a "talented crowed blueline"....there are a lot of ifs in that bunch.

Spot on...


McDonagh Shattenkirk
Skjei Smith


Staal being a #5.... I know he isn't good enough to fill in to McDonagh's role if McD gets hurt anymore, but he's a top 4 on a lot of teams....

Holden, too.... maybe not on Cup contenders, but the fact that both of their spots are in jeopardy because of

Graves
Day
Pionk
Bereglazov
DeAngelo

They are all what ifs, absolutely. We know what we know about them, and outside of Tony D, none of them have NHL experience.... But all will be competing for a spot this year.

And really there's only one spot to be had if Holden and Staal both stay with the team... maybe two....

Day is almost certainly destined for Hartford at least for the start of the season, but the other 4 have legit chances.

Likely looking at a

Staal DeAngelo bottom pair with Graves beong first call up and Holden as the extra/ throw in to keep DeAngelo motivated to stay consistent


Agree with most of this. Staal might be top 4 on bad teams but that's about it.

Day, needs a few years in the AHL.

Agree hopefully Staal Deangelo as the bottom pair. I could also see Staal Bereglazov, and Deangelo in the AHL. I have a feeling deangelo will fizzle out in NY pretty fast. Not so high on him. Pionk, Graves, probably AHL to start. Holden will probably be gone before the season starts.

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Staal and Holden will be 1st pair because AV will stick it to Gorton for trading Stepan....I also wonder if you explore whats out there home run wise and ponder using Day as a piece
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Staal and Holden will be 1st pair because AV will stick it to Gorton for trading Stepan....I also wonder if you explore whats out there home run wise and ponder using Day as a piece


Please tell me what you're drinking, taking and/or smoking....I'd like to know what to avoid.
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http://blueseatblogs.com/2017/08/11/unthinkable-rangers-dangle-ryan...

The bloggers definitely read what we say here

Lol yep...You have to consider it...Cap world...No way on Earth you can give him a Girardi and Staal type deal when he is 30


I repeat from an earlier post - do not mention Girardi and Staal in the same breath as McDonagh. I'd give him that deal in a heartbeat and you better believe he'll get way more than that elsewhere.

The bigger question is why does this 'age 30' scare everyone so much? (by the way, he's not 30 yet, but will be when his contract expires).

What do you guys think about Duncan Keith (currently 34), Byfuglien (34), Weber (34), Suter (32) and Giordano (36). Are they done? other than maybe Weber (who's rating is down more because he was traded straight up for Subban), all are still #1 pairing d men and will be such for several more years. All probably played as many or more minutes than McD at the same stage and are still at the top levels at their position. Why different expectations for our guy? Because he's a Ranger?

What do you think of Doughty, Subban, Josi, Carlson and Pietrangelo? All are within a few months of McD's age. Are you anticipating the same falloff you seem to be predicting for McD? All are minutes eaters similar to McDonagh.


I think some Ranger fans are just worried because of what happened with the Girardi and Staal contracts, which most of us knew were bad contracts the moment they were signed (including me very strongly stating what a mistake both were). I cannot stress enough McD IS NOT GIRARDI AND IS NOT STAAL. I realize he is not Keith or Doughty either, but he is certainly closer to that level than to Girardi and Staal.

Just my opinion - don't kill me over it
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Mikey Red - 2017-08-11 7:50 AM

Red Sox vs Yankees this weekend...I know 1 person who is pumped up ...


Would be more pumped up if the Yankees were playing well........
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http://blueseatblogs.com/2017/08/11/unthinkable-rangers-dangle-ryan...

The bloggers definitely read what we say here

Lol yep...You have to consider it...Cap world...No way on Earth you can give him a Girardi and Staal type deal when he is 30


I repeat from an earlier post - do not mention Girardi and Staal in the same breath as McDonagh. I'd give him that deal in a heartbeat and you better believe he'll get way more than that elsewhere.

The bigger question is why does this 'age 30' scare everyone so much? (by the way, he's not 30 yet, but will be when his contract expires).

What do you guys think about Duncan Keith (currently 34), Byfuglien (34), Weber (34), Suter (32) and Giordano (36). Are they done? other than maybe Weber (who's rating is down more because he was traded straight up for Subban), all are still #1 pairing d men and will be such for several more years. All probably played as many or more minutes than McD at the same stage and are still at the top levels at their position. Why different expectations for our guy? Because he's a Ranger?

What do you think of Doughty, Subban, Josi, Carlson and Pietrangelo? All are within a few months of McD's age. Are you anticipating the same falloff you seem to be predicting for McD? All are minutes eaters similar to McDonagh.


I think some Ranger fans are just worried because of what happened with the Girardi and Staal contracts, which most of us knew were bad contracts the moment they were signed (including me very strongly stating what a mistake both were). I cannot stress enough McD IS NOT GIRARDI AND IS NOT STAAL. I realize he is not Keith or Doughty either, but he is certainly closer to that level than to Girardi and Staal.

Just my opinion - don't kill me over it

Mac plays 45 minutes a night...he will go the same way Giradi did...out of gas and worn out...another guy who played every other shift out there...giving a 30 year old with that much mileage a monster contract is bad business....look at Staals contract....We had to buy out Girardi...another bad contract
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Mikey Red - 2017-08-11 11:26 AM

Staal and Holden will be 1st pair because AV will stick it to Gorton for trading Stepan....I also wonder if you explore whats out there home run wise and ponder using Day as a piece


Please tell me what you're drinking, taking and/or smoking....I'd like to know what to avoid.

hahahaha AV favoritism juice
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Posted 2017-08-11 10:12 AM (#679092 - in reply to #679089)
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Red Sox vs Yankees this weekend...I know 1 person who is pumped up ...


Would be more pumped up if the Yankees were playing well........

Lol yeah that would help
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Posted 2017-08-11 10:13 AM (#679093 - in reply to #679088)
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http://blueseatblogs.com/2017/08/11/unthinkable-rangers-dangle-ryan...

The bloggers definitely read what we say here

Lol yep...You have to consider it...Cap world...No way on Earth you can give him a Girardi and Staal type deal when he is 30


I repeat from an earlier post - do not mention Girardi and Staal in the same breath as McDonagh. I'd give him that deal in a heartbeat and you better believe he'll get way more than that elsewhere.

The bigger question is why does this 'age 30' scare everyone so much? (by the way, he's not 30 yet, but will be when his contract expires).

What do you guys think about Duncan Keith (currently 34), Byfuglien (34), Weber (34), Suter (32) and Giordano (36). Are they done? other than maybe Weber (who's rating is down more because he was traded straight up for Subban), all are still #1 pairing d men and will be such for several more years. All probably played as many or more minutes than McD at the same stage and are still at the top levels at their position. Why different expectations for our guy? Because he's a Ranger?

What do you think of Doughty, Subban, Josi, Carlson and Pietrangelo? All are within a few months of McD's age. Are you anticipating the same falloff you seem to be predicting for McD? All are minutes eaters similar to McDonagh.


I think some Ranger fans are just worried because of what happened with the Girardi and Staal contracts, which most of us knew were bad contracts the moment they were signed (including me very strongly stating what a mistake both were). I cannot stress enough McD IS NOT GIRARDI AND IS NOT STAAL. I realize he is not Keith or Doughty either, but he is certainly closer to that level than to Girardi and Staal.

Just my opinion - don't kill me over it
I have no problem mentioning Girardi in the same breath as McD. No matter what your opinion, he was a top pair d-man before being injured and overworked.

The guys you mention play a totally different game than McD and under much better systems (not to mention, they play for coaches who play to their strengths). I don't recall any of them being constantly run, pounded, concussed, etc. If McD were on any other team, I wouldn't hesitate to give him such a contract because he would still be productive and effective after turning 30....but taking into account the physical toll put on McD as a Ranger, I wouldn't give him one of those contracts.
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Posted 2017-08-11 10:51 AM (#679094 - in reply to #679093)
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Also, regarding the G&S contracts, I seem to remember the consensus was that we were betting off giving them to G&S who had earned them rather than a "Dan Boyle" or other player who was only looking for a pay day.

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Posted 2017-08-11 10:59 AM (#679095 - in reply to #677153)
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Henrik Lundqvist ranked as the 8th best goalie in the NHL

"The funniest thing about this one is he is ranked one spot BELOW Talbot.... Really ? "

12:24PM 8/11/17


In a list compiled by the NHL Network, Henrik Lundqvist was ranked as the 8th best goalie in the NHL heading into this season.

Lundqvist is listed as the fourth goalie in the Metro Division, behind Brayden Holtby (2), Sergei Bobrovsky (3) and Matt Murray (4).

He is also ranked one spot below his former backup, Cam Talbot.

Last season, Lundqvist ranked:
•13th in wins (31)
•19th in GAA (2.74) among goalies with at least 50 games played
•19th in save percentage (.910) among goalies with at least 50 games played
•16th in total minutes played 3240:26

The save percentage was the lowest of his career and his goals against was the highest of his career.

Lundqvist was 6-6 in the playoffs with .927 GAA and 2.25 save percentage.

He said that last season the "highs were as high as any other year" but the low moments were "a little too low." (NHL.com)

Adam Rotter: I think that, to a certain degree, what we saw with Lundqvist last year is going to be the normal with him. He will have his ups and downs but overall will still come out on the positive end and lead the Rangers into the playoffs. The hope will be that with a more mobile defense and more skill on the back end that the Rangers will hopefully spend less time in their own zone, which in turn could keep Henrik fresher and hopefully improve his numbers. He showed against Montreal, and then in the World Championships, that he can still be a top goalie and while he might not be the consistent and consensus top-3 he has been for almost his entire career, he is someone that the Rangers can still count on.
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Posted 2017-08-11 11:06 AM (#679096 - in reply to #677153)
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In all fairness...Henrik is 35 ...so the Metro part is right...Rangers better hope Shesterkin is not the answer...if he comes...he wont be here til 2019-2020...they better have someone that can play real soon
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Posted 2017-08-11 11:31 AM (#679097 - in reply to #679096)
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Mikey Red - 2017-08-11 11:06 AM

In all fairness...Henrik is 35 ...so the Metro part is right...Rangers better hope Shesterkin is not the answer...if he comes...he wont be here til 2019-2020...they better have someone that can play real soon


"The Metro part is right" ..Seriously.... You have Bobrovsky ranked Above Hank ? Please tell me on what planet that makes sense so that I make sure my space travel plans avoid that stop

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Posted 2017-08-11 11:33 AM (#679098 - in reply to #677153)
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As of right now...yes because Henrik is 35 and way past his prime....I you offered me that trade right now I take it
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Posted 2017-08-11 11:43 AM (#679099 - in reply to #677153)
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Posted 2017-08-11 11:44 AM (#679100 - in reply to #677153)
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Wow....That's it, that's all I can say at this time
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Posted 2017-08-11 11:45 AM (#679101 - in reply to #679099)
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Space travel is probably awesome tho lol


They do call me "The Wizard"
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Posted 2017-08-11 12:38 PM (#679102 - in reply to #679095)
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RANGERNUT - 2017-08-11 12:59 PM
The hope will be that with a more mobile defense and more skill on the back end that the Rangers will hopefully spend less time in their own zone, which in turn could keep Henrik fresher and hopefully improve his numbers.


Why does this statement leave me with the feeling that Henrik will face more breakaways and odd men rushes than he has in the past?
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Posted 2017-08-11 1:01 PM (#679103 - in reply to #679100)
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RANGERNUT - 2017-08-11 11:44 AM

Wow....That's it, that's all I can say at this time

Bob does have 2 Vezinas so far...not horrble
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Posted 2017-08-11 1:08 PM (#679104 - in reply to #679097)
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In all fairness...Henrik is 35 ...so the Metro part is right...Rangers better hope Shesterkin is not the answer...if he comes...he wont be here til 2019-2020...they better have someone that can play real soon


"The Metro part is right" ..Seriously.... You have Bobrovsky ranked Above Hank ? Please tell me on what planet that makes sense so that I make sure my space travel plans avoid that stop


I don't think this is an "all time" or "career" list... if you look at just last year (reg+playoff) then yes Bob did have a much better year than Hank. So did Holtby, Talbot, etc.

I look at this list as "who had the best 12 months prior to now" versus a more subjective "who is the better goaltender".

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Posted 2017-08-11 1:16 PM (#679105 - in reply to #679093)
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Mjolnir - 2017-08-11 12:13 PM

I have no problem mentioning Girardi in the same breath as McD.

Now I know you're a little bit off
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Posted 2017-08-11 2:00 PM (#679106 - in reply to #679105)
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I have no problem mentioning Girardi in the same breath as McD.

Now I know you're a little bit off


There's never been any doubt about that!!

I stick by my statement -- however, it should be noted that we're comparing apples and oranges.

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Posted 2017-08-11 3:17 PM (#679107 - in reply to #677153)
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Posted 2017-08-11 3:41 PM (#679108 - in reply to #679107)
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Tonights Baseball Mens wood bat league
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Don't you ever use spell check?

It's Injins!!!
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Posted 2017-08-11 3:47 PM (#679109 - in reply to #677153)
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Posted 2017-08-11 6:30 PM (#679113 - in reply to #677153)
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Posted 2017-08-11 6:55 PM (#679114 - in reply to #677153)
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Posted 2017-08-11 7:06 PM (#679115 - in reply to #677153)
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Wow...Indeed it is so far...Very nice pickup
Mets now have the lead 6-4
Yanks down 3-0 and RJ is probably not happy about it
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Posted 2017-08-11 7:08 PM (#679116 - in reply to #677153)
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Oh well...Morrison with a base hit...No hit bid out the window
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Oh well...Morrison with a base hit...No hit bid out the window

A shame...but they still lead big.

Did you know that "MJ" saw the Indians very first game in 1901? He had seats 2 rows off the field down the first base line.
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Posted 2017-08-11 7:36 PM (#679118 - in reply to #679117)
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Oh well...Morrison with a base hit...No hit bid out the window

A shame...but they still lead big.

Did you know that "MJ" saw the Indians very first game in 1901? He had seats 2 rows off the field down the first base line.

LMAO haha in thee old Cleveland Municipal Stadium that held 80K for baseball? was he the original drum guy?
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Posted 2017-08-12 8:23 AM (#679120 - in reply to #679115)
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Wow...Indeed it is so far...Very nice pickup
Mets now have the lead 6-4
Yanks down 3-0 and RJ is probably not happy about it


They were down but never out!
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Posted 2017-08-12 10:31 AM (#679121 - in reply to #679120)
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Wow...Indeed it is so far...Very nice pickup
Mets now have the lead 6-4
Yanks down 3-0 and RJ is probably not happy about it


They were down but never out!

Yep! wild 8th and wild 9th...Chapman made it interesting
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Posted 2017-08-12 1:35 PM (#679122 - in reply to #679118)
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Mikey Red - 2017-08-11 9:08 PM

Oh well...Morrison with a base hit...No hit bid out the window

A shame...but they still lead big.

Did you know that "MJ" saw the Indians very first game in 1901? He had seats 2 rows off the field down the first base line.

LMAO haha in thee old Cleveland Municipal Stadium that held 80K for baseball? was he the original drum guy?


Yep -- Uncle Mandy took me .... bought me Candy and Cracker Jacks and Coca-Cola with real cocaine!!!
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Posted 2017-08-12 2:03 PM (#679123 - in reply to #679122)
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Mjolnir - 2017-08-12 1:35 PM

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Mikey Red - 2017-08-11 9:08 PM

Oh well...Morrison with a base hit...No hit bid out the window

A shame...but they still lead big.

Did you know that "MJ" saw the Indians very first game in 1901? He had seats 2 rows off the field down the first base line.

LMAO haha in thee old Cleveland Municipal Stadium that held 80K for baseball? was he the original drum guy?


Yep -- Uncle Mandy took me .... bought me Candy and Cracker Jacks and Coca-Cola with real cocaine!!!

ha ha ha lol wooo.....who had a better day than you then/
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Posted 2017-08-12 2:05 PM (#679124 - in reply to #677153)
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