2018 Draft *projections*
Ranjaz023
Posted 2018-02-18 8:56 AM (#697079)
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As of 2-18 Rangers are projected to pick 10th. Elite Prospects and other various mock draft analysis's have the Rangers selecting team USA's WJ top right winger Oliver Wahlstrom:

"Wahlstrom is a dominant power winger with elite puck skills, highlighted by a devastatingly accurate shot. He is one of the top goal scorers available for the draft, but he does far more than simply fill the back of the net. Not only is Wahlstrom Team USA’s top-line right wing, but he is also a key cog in both the power play and the penalty kill. Although it seems like he never turns down the opportunity to crank one towards the cage, he is blessed with an acute sense to quickly identify a defender’s intentions, then exploit the tiniest of windows and turn a seemingly harmless 1-on-1 into a clear dash for the cage. Wahlstrom has very good speed with an above-average first step. And although he is no straight-line road-runner, his footwork, balance and lateral skating ability are all excellent, and he uses a keen understanding of play development to get the extra step or two he needs to create plenty of space between the opponent and him.

Wahlstrom has very soft hands and is an excellent passer, capable of threading the needle with a slap or touch pass, or saucering one cross-ice during odd-man rushes. His puck poise for a neophyte is extraordinary, and there are multiple instances during a game when you get the impression he’s a man playing against boys. His physical play, defensive-zone awareness and ability to combine physicality with smart reads are ribbons and bows on what looks like the complete package."

Im going to try and keep track of the top end guys so we have an idea of names out there. Hope we move up a bit but I'd be happy with this kid.
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Posted 2018-02-18 9:09 AM (#697080 - in reply to #697079)
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Ranjaz023 - 2018-02-18 10:56 AM

As of 2-18 Rangers are projected to pick 10th. Elite Prospects and other various mock draft analysis's have the Rangers selecting team USA's WJ top right winger Oliver Wahlstrom:

"Wahlstrom is a dominant power winger with elite puck skills, highlighted by a devastatingly accurate shot. He is one of the top goal scorers available for the draft, but he does far more than simply fill the back of the net. Not only is Wahlstrom Team USA’s top-line right wing, but he is also a key cog in both the power play and the penalty kill. Although it seems like he never turns down the opportunity to crank one towards the cage, he is blessed with an acute sense to quickly identify a defender’s intentions, then exploit the tiniest of windows and turn a seemingly harmless 1-on-1 into a clear dash for the cage. Wahlstrom has very good speed with an above-average first step. And although he is no straight-line road-runner, his footwork, balance and lateral skating ability are all excellent, and he uses a keen understanding of play development to get the extra step or two he needs to create plenty of space between the opponent and him.

Wahlstrom has very soft hands and is an excellent passer, capable of threading the needle with a slap or touch pass, or saucering one cross-ice during odd-man rushes. His puck poise for a neophyte is extraordinary, and there are multiple instances during a game when you get the impression he’s a man playing against boys. His physical play, defensive-zone awareness and ability to combine physicality with smart reads are ribbons and bows on what looks like the complete package."

Im going to try and keep track of the top end guys so we have an idea of names out there. Hope we move up a bit but I'd be happy with this kid.

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Posted 2018-02-18 4:26 PM (#697300 - in reply to #697079)
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Posted 2018-02-19 3:27 AM (#697324 - in reply to #697079)
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I see absolutely no way the Rangers don't draft defense with their top pick. There is no dominant defenseman in the system. Now, the trade deadline could change that. However, I would suspect the Rangers are going to want to build a new d core for when Shesterkin or Huska takes over.
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Posted 2018-02-19 1:36 PM (#697334 - in reply to #697079)
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Rangers have to take the player that’s going to have the most long term impact in the league. Vancouver who wanted defense in 2016 drafted Ollie Juolevi at 5 and Calgary got Matthew Thachuk with the next pick. Juolevi’s got a lot of catching up to get to Thachuk already. There are a lot of defense at the top of the first round in this years draft so they very well might. They also might get back a good prospect or two with the firesale returns.
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Posted 2018-02-19 3:01 PM (#697338 - in reply to #697079)
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still hoping for that lottery pick and maybe some fortunate ping pong ball outcome
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sureshore - 2018-02-19 2:01 PM

still hoping for that lottery pick and maybe some fortunate ping pong ball outcome








Rangers do need some luck through all this.
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Posted 2018-02-20 8:58 AM (#697341 - in reply to #697339)
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sureshore - 2018-02-19 2:01 PM

still hoping for that lottery pick and maybe some fortunate ping pong ball outcome








Rangers do need some luck through all this.


Some, yes but having a good portion of the remaining schedule on the road, AV looking like he'll remain behind the bench for the remainder of the season and continued play as it has been of late and the chances get better every day.

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Posted 2018-02-20 9:41 AM (#697342 - in reply to #697341)
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sureshore - 2018-02-20 7:58 AM

Rranger - 2018-02-19 7:04 PM

sureshore - 2018-02-19 2:01 PM

still hoping for that lottery pick and maybe some fortunate ping pong ball outcome








Rangers do need some luck through all this.


Some, yes but having a good portion of the remaining schedule on the road, AV looking like he'll remain behind the bench for the remainder of the season and continued play as it has been of late and the chances get better every day.

http://www.tankathon.com/nhl




Yes his presence won't hurt as long as no player is traded because of him. They should just have a chewy blowup doll behind the bench and in the room and tell him to go home.
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walter t
Posted 2018-02-20 11:22 AM (#697352 - in reply to #697079)
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You should always take the best player available. Pray that the best player is a defenseman. Actually from what I've seen there are a few in that 5-10 range we should be picking in.
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Posted 2018-02-20 11:39 AM (#697354 - in reply to #697352)
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walter t - 2018-02-20 10:22 AM

You should always take the best player available. Pray that the best player is a defenseman. Actually from what I've seen there are a few in that 5-10 range we should be picking in.






Agreed.
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Posted 2018-02-20 3:48 PM (#697370 - in reply to #697079)
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Rangers now have 7 picks in the draft

1 First round
1 Second round
2 Third round
1 Fourth round
1 Fifth round
1 Sixth round

I will edit this as we go
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Posted 2018-02-20 4:39 PM (#697376 - in reply to #697370)
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robstones - 2018-02-20 5:48 PM

Rangers now have 7 picks in the draft

1 First round
1 Second round
2 Third round
1 Fourth round
1 Fifth round
1 Sixth round

I will edit this as we go

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Posted 2018-02-20 8:28 PM (#697388 - in reply to #697376)
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Mikey Red - 2018-02-20 6:39 PM

robstones - 2018-02-20 5:48 PM

Rangers now have 7 picks in the draft

1 First round
1 Second round
2 Third round
1 Fourth round
1 Fifth round
1 Sixth round

I will edit this as we go

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So many trips to the bathroom on Monday.... stomach bug
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Ranjaz023
Posted 2018-02-21 12:59 PM (#697398 - in reply to #697079)
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2/18 - Projected pick : 10 (Oliver Wahlstrom)

Current Projected Pick is 9: Not much of a change but they are slowly grinding their way up the chart here. The 9th ranked prospect is either Evan Bouchard, D, London (OHL) OR Isac Lundestrom, C, Lulea (SHL).


Isac Lunderstrom: Could be another Lias Andersson. Lundestrom is smart, talented and demonstrates a great two-way game. Led Sweden's most consistent line at the world juniors and is seen as a can't-miss selection. (hockey News) - Ranked 3rd best European player by mid season central scouting rankings.

Skilled puck-distributor has shown very well as a draft-eligible player in the SHL and didn’t look out of place as a draft-minus one player in the top league either. His skill set may not jump off the page, but the nuances to his game are terrific. He’s the type of player you like the more you watch him. In a centre-lite draft, his stock will continue to rise. Soft hands and plus-rated hockey sense allows him to flourish in all situations. Saw his role expand in the WJC and thrived with more ice. Owns terrific two-way ability and a burgeoning offensive game. May be more suited to the second line than a top line pivot. Has terrific hockey sense.

-Viewed as more of a mid round pick but his draft stock is rising because of the lack of true centers in the 18 draft. Could be a real value pick if the Rangers end up with multiple 1st round draft picks and get him in the teens.


Evan Bouchard: A highly intelligent all-around defenseman that plays with poise and can shift the pace of play in a multitude of ways. Showcases smooth four-way skating ability and loves to get involved in all situations - especially when that situation happens to be an up-ice rush. Has a polished offensive skill-set which includes well-timed passes and a sneaky, erratic shot. Goes with the high percentage play and makes smart decisions. Could work on strength behind his shot. Defensively active, cutting off lanes and always staying in excellent positioning. Reads cues well in all three zones and seems to stay a step ahead. All-in-all, a well-rounded defender with great hockey sense and work ethic. (elite prospects)

A power play quarterback if there ever was one. Bouchard mixes terrific vision, nimble passing skills and a cannon for a shot. He currently leads all CHL draft-eligible players with 60 points in 47 games. Named captain of the Knights after the team sold many of their veteran players at the OHL deadline – including former captain, Robert Thomas, Bouchard has been leaned on extremely heavily, playing north of 30 minutes a night on a regular basis. His rise up the ranks of many major scouting services has been steady this year and he now finds himself in the discussion for a top 10 selection. A minute-munching defender who creates and delivers at even-strength and with the man-advantage. Loves to jump into the play. Polished offensively.

Ranking: 5 by central scouting and is seen as more of a legitimate top 10 pick. Falls between 10-5 in many draft boards and projections. Can also be viewed as the 2nd or 3rd best defensemen available in the 2018 draft. Will not likely fall out of top 10 so if he is available and the Rangers are looking for D in the 9 slot this is likely the guy.



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Posted 2018-02-21 1:18 PM (#697401 - in reply to #697079)
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Florida is only 1 point behind with 3 games in hand. Lets hope they pass us then we'll be in the 8th spot, and hopefully moving down even lower
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Posted 2018-02-21 1:22 PM (#697402 - in reply to #697401)
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Rangerjunkie - 2018-02-21 3:18 PM

Florida is only 1 point behind with 3 games in hand. Lets hope they pass us then we'll be in the 8th spot, and hopefully moving down even lower

Go Cats Go!
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Posted 2018-02-21 1:27 PM (#697404 - in reply to #697398)
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Ranjaz023 - 2018-02-21 2:59 PM

2/18 - Projected pick : 10 (Oliver Wahlstrom)

Current Projected Pick is 9: Not much of a change but they are slowly grinding their way up the chart here. The 9th ranked prospect is either Evan Bouchard, D, London (OHL) OR Isac Lundestrom, C, Lulea (SHL).

Evan Bouchard: Has a polished offensive skill-set which includes well-timed passes and a sneaky, erratic shot. Goes with the high percentage play and makes smart decisions. Could work on strength behind his shot. Defensively active, cutting off lanes and always staying in excellent positioning. Reads cues well in all three zones and seems to stay a step ahead. All-in-all, a well-rounded defender with great hockey sense and work ethic. (elite prospects)

A power play quarterback if there ever was one. Bouchard mixes terrific vision, nimble passing skills and a cannon for a shot. He currently leads all CHL draft-eligible players with 60 points in 47 games. Named captain of the Knights after the team sold many of their veteran players at the OHL deadline – including former captain, Robert Thomas, Bouchard has been leaned on extremely heavily, playing north of 30 minutes a night on a regular basis.



Love how one says "Could work on strength behind his shot" while the other review says "has a cannon for a shot". Which to believe - the one that said Mark Staal had a cannon for a shot - lol?
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Posted 2018-02-21 1:32 PM (#697405 - in reply to #697402)
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Mikey Red - 2018-02-21 1:22 PM

Rangerjunkie - 2018-02-21 3:18 PM

Florida is only 1 point behind with 3 games in hand. Lets hope they pass us then we'll be in the 8th spot, and hopefully moving down even lower

Go Cats Go!


Detroit could pass us too
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Posted 2018-02-21 1:33 PM (#697406 - in reply to #697405)
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Rangerjunkie - 2018-02-21 1:32 PM

Mikey Red - 2018-02-21 1:22 PM

Rangerjunkie - 2018-02-21 3:18 PM

Florida is only 1 point behind with 3 games in hand. Lets hope they pass us then we'll be in the 8th spot, and hopefully moving down even lower

Go Cats Go!


Detroit could pass us too


And Chicago
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Rangerjunkie
Posted 2018-02-21 1:33 PM (#697407 - in reply to #697079)
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Top 5 pick would be pretty nice
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Rangerjunkie - 2018-02-21 3:33 PM

Top 5 pick would be pretty nice

Lets hope there is no Dartmouth prospect that just started playing the hockey
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Posted 2018-02-21 3:15 PM (#697413 - in reply to #697408)
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Mikey Red - 2018-02-21 12:43 PM

Rangerjunkie - 2018-02-21 3:33 PM

Top 5 pick would be pretty nice

Lets hope there is no Dartmouth prospect that just started playing the hockey





No hughie two picks.
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Ranjaz023
Posted 2018-02-21 3:16 PM (#697414 - in reply to #697404)
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sureshore - 2018-02-21 1:27 PM

Ranjaz023 - 2018-02-21 2:59 PM

2/18 - Projected pick : 10 (Oliver Wahlstrom)

Current Projected Pick is 9: Not much of a change but they are slowly grinding their way up the chart here. The 9th ranked prospect is either Evan Bouchard, D, London (OHL) OR Isac Lundestrom, C, Lulea (SHL).

Evan Bouchard: Has a polished offensive skill-set which includes well-timed passes and a sneaky, erratic shot. Goes with the high percentage play and makes smart decisions. Could work on strength behind his shot. Defensively active, cutting off lanes and always staying in excellent positioning. Reads cues well in all three zones and seems to stay a step ahead. All-in-all, a well-rounded defender with great hockey sense and work ethic. (elite prospects)

A power play quarterback if there ever was one. Bouchard mixes terrific vision, nimble passing skills and a cannon for a shot. He currently leads all CHL draft-eligible players with 60 points in 47 games. Named captain of the Knights after the team sold many of their veteran players at the OHL deadline – including former captain, Robert Thomas, Bouchard has been leaned on extremely heavily, playing north of 30 minutes a night on a regular basis.



Love how one says "Could work on strength behind his shot" while the other review says "has a cannon for a shot". Which to believe - the one that said Mark Staal had a cannon for a shot - lol?


I saw that too, its a bunch of different sources and projections so its a real well rounded wrap up of what people think. Shows the true gamble a draft is.
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Posted 2018-02-21 3:45 PM (#697416 - in reply to #697413)
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Rranger - 2018-02-21 3:15 PM

Mikey Red - 2018-02-21 12:43 PM

Rangerjunkie - 2018-02-21 3:33 PM

Top 5 pick would be pretty nice

Lets hope there is no Dartmouth prospect that just started playing the hockey





No hughie two picks.


Hughie?

How did you get that??

Hahaha
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Posted 2018-02-21 4:27 PM (#697418 - in reply to #697079)
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Posted 2018-02-21 4:29 PM (#697421 - in reply to #697418)
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Mikey Red - 2018-02-21 3:27 PM

Baby Hughie was a total




Tom Renneys gift.
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Posted 2018-02-21 4:43 PM (#697422 - in reply to #697421)
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Baby Hughie was a total




Tom Renneys gift.

Totally....I wish I could post the Sather interview right after the pick..its hysterical
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Posted 2018-02-21 5:24 PM (#697424 - in reply to #697422)
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Rranger - 2018-02-21 6:29 PM

Mikey Red - 2018-02-21 3:27 PM

Baby Hughie was a total




Tom Renneys gift.

Totally....I wish I could post the Sather interview right after the pick..its hysterical




Got a link?
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Posted 2018-02-21 6:04 PM (#697426 - in reply to #697421)
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Mikey Red - 2018-02-21 3:27 PM

Baby Hughie was a total




Tom Renneys gift.


OHHH Hugh Jessiman, got it...

My name is Hugh, my family referred to me as Hughie when I was younger.....

I thought you might've known me or something
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Posted 2018-02-21 6:51 PM (#697431 - in reply to #697424)
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Mikey Red - 2018-02-21 3:27 PM

Baby Hughie was a total




Tom Renneys gift.

Totally....I wish I could post the Sather interview right after the pick..its hysterical




Got a link?

I recorded it with my phone when it was on NHL network a while back....I dont know how to post it....I think I tried once but it said file was too big or something
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Posted 2018-02-21 7:09 PM (#697432 - in reply to #697426)
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Rranger - 2018-02-21 4:29 PM

Mikey Red - 2018-02-21 3:27 PM

Baby Hughie was a total




Tom Renneys gift.


OHHH Hugh Jessiman, got it...

My name is Hugh, my family referred to me as Hughie when I was younger.....

I thought you might've known me or something





Is that you Hef?
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Posted 2018-02-21 7:29 PM (#697434 - in reply to #697432)
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Rangerjunkie - 2018-02-21 5:04 PM

Rranger - 2018-02-21 4:29 PM

Mikey Red - 2018-02-21 3:27 PM

Baby Hughie was a total




Tom Renneys gift.


OHHH Hugh Jessiman, got it...

My name is Hugh, my family referred to me as Hughie when I was younger.....

I thought you might've known me or something





Is that you Hef?


Nah man, he's dead
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Posted 2018-02-21 7:48 PM (#697435 - in reply to #697434)
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Rangerjunkie - 2018-02-21 6:29 PM

Rranger - 2018-02-21 7:09 PM

Rangerjunkie - 2018-02-21 5:04 PM

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Mikey Red - 2018-02-21 3:27 PM

Baby Hughie was a total




Tom Renneys gift.


OHHH Hugh Jessiman, got it...

My name is Hugh, my family referred to me as Hughie when I was younger.....

I thought you might've known me or something





Is that you Hef?


Nah man, he's dead




Yup Mikey and I were talking the immortal huge specimen failure. In a can’t miss draft unless you drafted Hughie. Terrible pick one of the worst ever considering how many solid NHLers went after.
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Posted 2018-02-21 7:55 PM (#697436 - in reply to #697079)
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Check it out one of the Rangers worst drafts ever. The first round of the draft was one of the best ever.

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/nhl2003e.html
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Posted 2018-02-21 8:20 PM (#697437 - in reply to #697436)
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2003 will go down as one of the best drafts in nhl history.....several HOF ers in Rd 1 of that draft....we couldn’t even manage to draft a guy who could play in the nhl
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Posted 2018-02-21 8:30 PM (#697438 - in reply to #697079)
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The Rangers would have done better drawing a name out of a hat that year. There whole draft was terrible.
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Rranger - 2018-02-21 10:30 PM

The Rangers would have done better drawing a name out of a hat that year. There whole draft was terrible.

Yep...I went back and looked....
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Posted 2018-02-22 6:31 AM (#697442 - in reply to #697079)
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Get over the 2003 draft. It's pathetic you keep brining it up. Try bringing up the 2000 draft which wasn't great when the Rangers took Lundqvist 205th overall.
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Posted 2018-02-22 8:35 AM (#697444 - in reply to #697079)
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Chicago win last night puts us one spot up on the draft board
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Rangerjunkie - 2018-02-22 10:35 AM

Chicago win last night puts us one spot up on the draft board

Woo! and Florida has 3 games in hand
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itsmcilrathtime - 2018-02-22 8:31 AM

Get over the 2003 draft. It's pathetic you keep brining it up. Try bringing up the 2000 draft which wasn't great when the Rangers took Lundqvist 205th overall.

We don't want history to repeat itself
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Posted 2018-02-22 9:09 AM (#697448 - in reply to #697446)
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Mikey Red - 2018-02-22 7:58 AM

itsmcilrathtime - 2018-02-22 8:31 AM

Get over the 2003 draft. It's pathetic you keep brining it up. Try bringing up the 2000 draft which wasn't great when the Rangers took Lundqvist 205th overall.

We don't want history to repeat itself





There is always some pathetic dork poster bringing up Lundqvist drafted 205th overall.
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Posted 2018-02-22 11:01 AM (#697449 - in reply to #697079)
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They really need to be in the top 10. The percentages really drop off after that.

https://www.tsn.ca/statistically-speaking-nhl-draft-pick-value-1.786...
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Posted 2018-02-22 2:36 PM (#697458 - in reply to #697444)
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Rangerjunkie - 2018-02-22 10:35 AM

Chicago win last night puts us one spot up on the draft board


Most mock drafts have Evan Bouchard and Noah Dobson available at #8/9

Both are big mobil puck moving RHD that fit the bill to The Rangers' needs.

I still like Bode Wilde, though
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http://www.tankathon.com/nhl/mock_draft

Hit the sim lottery button for fun a few times

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Posted 2018-02-22 8:30 PM (#697656 - in reply to #697648)
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http://www.tankathon.com/nhl/mock_draft

Hit the sim lottery button for fun a few times

haha Rasmus!
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Posted 2018-02-22 9:48 PM (#697674 - in reply to #697370)
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robstones - 2018-02-20 5:48 PM

Rangers now have 8 picks in the draft

1 First round
2 Second round
2 Third round
1 Fourth round
1 Fifth round
1 Sixth round

I will edit this as we go


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Posted 2018-02-23 4:01 AM (#697679 - in reply to #697648)
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I hit the SIM lottery and the Islanders came up #1. So no thanks.
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Posted 2018-02-23 5:36 AM (#697681 - in reply to #697079)
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Posted 2018-02-23 6:17 AM (#697683 - in reply to #697079)
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I haven't been impressed with Dahlin at all. I don't see what the hype is about
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Posted 2018-02-23 8:21 AM (#697693 - in reply to #697656)
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http://www.tankathon.com/nhl/mock_draft

Hit the sim lottery button for fun a few times

haha Rasmus!


Out of 6 tries I got Dahlin once and 8-10 the other 5 times.
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Posted 2018-02-23 8:21 AM (#697694 - in reply to #697079)
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Dolan needs to figure out how to funnel some extra money to the league for a couple extra lottery balls.
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Posted 2018-02-23 8:22 AM (#697695 - in reply to #697693)
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http://www.tankathon.com/nhl/mock_draft

Hit the sim lottery button for fun a few times

haha Rasmus!


Out of 6 tries I got Dahlin once and 8-10 the other 5 times.


I just did 5 more and got first overall 3 of those times. This is more entertaining than watching actual Rangers games.

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Posted 2018-02-23 10:28 AM (#697705 - in reply to #697079)
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I'd take Zadina or Svechnikov, too.

I could see us falling even lower in the standings before it's all said and done, too

Really we'll be happy with any of these top 10 picks.

Of 10 tries I got

8th
9th
9th
8th
2nd
8th
1st
9th
2nd
2nd

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Posted 2018-02-23 11:01 AM (#697708 - in reply to #697079)
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Posted 2018-02-23 11:04 AM (#697710 - in reply to #697079)
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I bet if we did it enough times, it'd work out to around 1 in every 16 times getting the 1st pick
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I bet if we did it enough times, it'd work out to around 1 in every 16 times getting the 1st pick


I'm no good at this. What are the odds of being in the top 3?
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Posted 2018-02-23 7:42 PM (#697967 - in reply to #697079)
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Looking at the standings, I'd say this team can finish 4th worst in the league

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Posted 2018-02-23 9:39 PM (#697974 - in reply to #697079)
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Ranger luck says if they finish with say fourth overall pick, by the time Garry’s bingo balls finish bouncing they will be picking 10 overall. Bet on it.
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Posted 2018-02-23 10:07 PM (#697975 - in reply to #697079)
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2/24

No change to current draft slot. Rangers to pick 8. No changes or updates to prospect rankings.
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Posted 2018-02-24 8:47 AM (#697978 - in reply to #697079)
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At the beginning of Business today....We are in the 8 spot.....We definitely have the ability to lose enough to get into the 3 spot
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Posted 2018-02-24 2:39 PM (#697992 - in reply to #697079)
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I wouldn't touch Quinton Hughes with a first round pick. He's 5'9. For a defenseman in the NHL, he's going to be useless defensively. The one forward I could see them taking over some of the defenseman is Tkachuk. Unlike our current forwards, he actually knows how to finish and throw body checks. Still think they will go Bouchard or Dobson. However, they will have an excellent opportunity to get a good d -man if they get another first rounder for Nash.
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Posted 2018-02-24 4:25 PM (#698000 - in reply to #697079)
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I really like Bode Wilde if we get a mid 1st rounder

Rangers need everything, so their first pick doesn't have to be defense. I'll take Zadina or Brady Tkachuk.... Andrei Svechnikov... Wahlstrom.

But this draft's strength seems to be D anyway. Aside from Dahlin, there's some strong looking kids. Boqvist looks about as skilled as Dahlin, just a little smaller
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Posted 2018-02-24 4:30 PM (#698001 - in reply to #697079)
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I only go by what I hear the TSN guys say on TV....They say Dahlin is a generational talent
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Posted 2018-02-24 4:34 PM (#698002 - in reply to #698001)
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I only go by what I hear the TSN guys say on TV....They say Dahlin is a generational talent


He seems real good, yeah. Watching some video, he has sick hands and skating. Could be better than Leetch if we got him
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Posted 2018-02-24 4:40 PM (#698003 - in reply to #697079)
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Posted 2018-02-24 6:00 PM (#698011 - in reply to #697448)
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itsmcilrathtime - 2018-02-22 8:31 AM

Get over the 2003 draft. It's pathetic you keep brining it up. Try bringing up the 2000 draft which wasn't great when the Rangers took Lundqvist 205th overall.

We don't want history to repeat itself





There is always some pathetic dork poster bringing up Lundqvist drafted 205th overall.


That 2003 pick Will always be relevant, because when you analyze what we passed on, it was our worst draft pick ever. Worse than Montoya and Brendl, because there wasn’t much good available in those drafts.

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Posted 2018-02-24 6:15 PM (#698012 - in reply to #698011)
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Get over the 2003 draft. It's pathetic you keep brining it up. Try bringing up the 2000 draft which wasn't great when the Rangers took Lundqvist 205th overall.

We don't want history to repeat itself





There is always some pathetic dork poster bringing up Lundqvist drafted 205th overall.



That 2003 pick Will always be relevant, because when you analyze what we passed on, it was our worst draft pick ever. Worse than Montoya and Brendl, because there wasn’t much good available in those drafts.


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Posted 2018-02-24 6:16 PM (#698013 - in reply to #697079)
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Posted 2018-02-25 7:34 AM (#698061 - in reply to #697370)
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robstones - 2018-02-20 5:48 PM

Rangers now have 9 picks in the draft

2 First round
2 Second round
2 Third round
1 Fourth round
1 Fifth round
1 Sixth round

I will edit this as we go


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Posted 2018-02-25 7:53 AM (#698071 - in reply to #697079)
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With Lindgren and Rykov in the system

And Andersson and Chytil drafted last year

I'd say their best bet is going after Svechnikov at the draft
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Posted 2018-02-25 7:56 AM (#698073 - in reply to #697079)
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The question is, what the Rangers will get for all this Picks?
Ist this a good draft Year?
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Posted 2018-02-25 8:03 AM (#698077 - in reply to #698073)
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The question is, what the Rangers will get for all this Picks?
Ist this a good draft Year?


Time will tell, but I've liked what I've seen from some of these kids, and read it's a deep pool this year
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Posted 2018-02-25 8:10 AM (#698080 - in reply to #698077)
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robstones - 2018-02-25 4:03 PM

Proxomat - 2018-02-25 9:56 AM

The question is, what the Rangers will get for all this Picks?
Ist this a good draft Year?


Time will tell, but I've liked what I've seen from some of these kids, and read it's a deep pool this year


I hope all the best for the Rangers. It was defently time for a change.
But maybe, this change will take some more time than just one draft session/year.
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Posted 2018-02-25 8:14 AM (#698083 - in reply to #697079)
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I don't think they're winning The Cup next year, but we'll see what they do with all this cap space
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Posted 2018-02-25 8:59 PM (#698489 - in reply to #697079)
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I've read where it's deep but elsewhere that it's more top heavy. Fortunately we have a high pick plus a high amount of picks, with 5 in the top 75 and 7 in the top 105 (or so). Obviously we need to hit a home run on the top pick.
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I've read where it's deep but elsewhere that it's more top heavy. Fortunately we have a high pick plus a high amount of picks, with 5 in the top 75 and 7 in the top 105 (or so). Obviously we need to hit a home run on the top pick.

Absolutely! There is definitely reason for optimism...we are doing the right thing
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Posted 2018-02-26 2:31 PM (#698765 - in reply to #698061)
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robstones - 2018-02-20 5:48 PM

Rangers now have 10 picks in the draft

3 First round
2 Second round
2 Third round
1 Fourth round
1 Fifth round
1 Sixth round





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Posted 2018-02-26 3:07 PM (#698781 - in reply to #698765)
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Rangers now have 10 picks in the draft

3 First round
2 Second round
2 Third round
1 Fourth round
1 Fifth round
1 Sixth round





As of standings right now (and before we win the lottery, obviously,) the picks are

7, 26 (Bruins), 31 (Tampa)
38, 48 (Devils)
69, 88 (Bruins)
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Posted 2018-02-26 8:12 PM (#698917 - in reply to #698781)
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Probably the most picks we've ever had. Hopefully that scout that found Jessiman is no longer with the NYR!
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Posted 2018-02-26 8:14 PM (#698918 - in reply to #698083)
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robstones - 2018-02-25 8:14 AM

I don't think they're winning The Cup next year, but we'll see what they do with all this cap space


Let's hope they don't waste it on older mercenaries like Kovy.
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Posted 2018-02-26 8:24 PM (#698921 - in reply to #697079)
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They should take on a couple of bad contracts. You know the type - veteran guy, past his prime, his contract is becoming an anchor on a team that's trying to squeeze out every last bit of efficiency at a cup run.

Those teams may be looking to deal come draft day, so they can open their wallets for the next "final piece" on july 1.

You know this situation well because this is what the Rangers have done for years. Now we're on the other side of the fence, and I say find these guys with a few years left, take the bad contract on, and pick up some draft picks and prospects for the privilege. Admit it, last year you would have killed for some team to take Staal and second round pick just to take him off our hands, right? NYR should use their cap space and roster space (there is plenty right now) in order to pick up a decent overpaid veteran or two and build for the future.

It's just Dolan's money after all.

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Posted 2018-02-27 5:22 PM (#699002 - in reply to #697079)
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I like the fact we picked up three decent prospects on defense. It makes it a lot easier to just take the best player available. And that still probably means a dman with the first pick unless we move up to the top 5. But we can really go either way. And I agree with others who have said they hope we don't try to get too cute.
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Posted 2018-02-28 8:15 AM (#699038 - in reply to #697079)
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Always take best available, never try to project what you need in 2-3 years. Needs change literally from year to year. Why draft someone you may not need, when they finally become NHL ready?

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Posted 2018-02-28 8:56 AM (#699044 - in reply to #699038)
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concust - 2018-02-28 10:15 AM

Always take best available, never try to project what you need in 2-3 years. Needs change literally from year to year. Why draft someone you may not need, when they finally become NHL ready?



Worst case scenario is we're overstocked on young talented D or young talented C and we flip one for whatever hole we have.

I don't know if I take D with the first pick, though.... outside of Dahlin

I'd rather have Svechnikov, Zadina, Tkachuk, or Wahlstrom over Boqvist, Hughes, Bouchard, or Dobson
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Posted 2018-02-28 9:26 AM (#699048 - in reply to #697079)
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Posted 2018-02-28 10:00 AM (#699050 - in reply to #699044)
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concust - 2018-02-28 10:15 AM

Always take best available, never try to project what you need in 2-3 years. Needs change literally from year to year. Why draft someone you may not need, when they finally become NHL ready?



Worst case scenario is we're overstocked on young talented D or young talented C and we flip one for whatever hole we have.

I don't know if I take D with the first pick, though.... outside of Dahlin

I'd rather have Svechnikov, Zadina, Tkachuk, or Wahlstrom over Boqvist, Hughes, Bouchard, or Dobson


In fairness if you have a top 3 pick and each one is projected to be NHL ready out of the box, and you have a specific need, then sure - but it's so rare for a prospect to be ready out of the box.

Also I agree 100% with your top 10. My personal feeling is that there's a dropoff after 4 or so. I think Dahlin is clear cut #1 obviously, and Svechnikov, Zadina, Tkachuk round out the top 4. Walstrom would be my top of the next tier. Boqvist scares me a little because I think people see he's a small swedish D with talent and they think Karlsson which is an impossible comparision for him to live up to. Dobson plays in the Q and i don't like the Q as a developmental league.
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Why should try to get the best player available at wherever we land in the draft with our first pick and see if Bouchard is available with our 2nd 1st.
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Posted 2018-02-28 1:18 PM (#699063 - in reply to #697079)
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I've said it before, but I really like the looks of Bode Wilde. If we can get a scoring winger, and Bode Wilde, then we struck a grand slam

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I've said it before, but I really like the looks of Bode Wilde. If we can get a scoring winger, and Bode Wilde, then we struck a grand slam

6'2" 195 lbs.....
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I've said it before, but I really like the looks of Bode Wilde. If we can get a scoring winger, and Bode Wilde, then we struck a grand slam

6'2" 195 lbs.....


Youtube him.... dude can skate.
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Any chance we can move up to #4 and take Brady Tkachuk? Taking on Kovalchuk (which I oppose) and JVR (if he can't be a star in Toronto, what makes anyone think he will in NY?) only keeps our young players off the roster.
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I've said it before, but I really like the looks of Bode Wilde. If we can get a scoring winger, and Bode Wilde, then we struck a grand slam

6'2" 195 lbs.....


Youtube him.... dude can skate.


That's one check box... but the most important thing is always, hockey IQ followed by talent level... Sean Day has size and can skate but his hockey IQ is questionable. You guys have to stop looking at height and weight as the first measure of a prospect. Size should barely register, like FO% or +/-

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Any chance we can move up to #4 and take Brady Tkachuk? Taking on Kovalchuk (which I oppose) and JVR (if he can't be a star in Toronto, what makes anyone think he will in NY?) only keeps our young players off the roster.


Depending on where we finish and how many assets we want to sacrifice to get there, we might have an outside shot at #4. I wouldn't say it's a realistic option.

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robstones - 2018-02-28 3:18 PM

I've said it before, but I really like the looks of Bode Wilde. If we can get a scoring winger, and Bode Wilde, then we struck a grand slam

6'2" 195 lbs.....


Youtube him.... dude can skate.


That's one check box... but the most important thing is always, hockey IQ followed by talent level... Sean Day has size and can skate but his hockey IQ is questionable. You guys have to stop looking at height and weight as the first measure of a prospect. Size should barely register, like FO% or +/-



I'm not just looking at his size... though I like my defenders bigger.... and physical, which is another checked off box.... and can skate... heavy shot... clears the crease.... pp qb... kill penalties. Kid looks good
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robstones - 2018-02-28 3:18 PM

I've said it before, but I really like the looks of Bode Wilde. If we can get a scoring winger, and Bode Wilde, then we struck a grand slam

6'2" 195 lbs.....


Youtube him.... dude can skate.


That's one check box... but the most important thing is always, hockey IQ followed by talent level... Sean Day has size and can skate but his hockey IQ is questionable. You guys have to stop looking at height and weight as the first measure of a prospect. Size should barely register, like FO% or +/-



I'm not just looking at his size... though I like my defenders bigger.... and physical, which is another checked off box.... and can skate... heavy shot... clears the crease.... pp qb... kill penalties. Kid looks good





Skating is the number one necessity to play in the NHL and to be drafted or even considered. If they can’t keep up they can’t play, and it doesn’t matter how smart they are. All other skills and intangibles are secondary. You can get to the NHL with a low IQ if you can skate. For example J.T. Miller, as much as I like the guy his to frequent snafus were usually the result of his poor evaluation and decision making on his blunders. Commonly called hockey IQ, and the NHL is full of blockheads, but they can all skate.
Sean Days physical skills with skating at the top of the list are why the Rangers took a chance and drafted Day, not because of his IQ. His immense physical tools noteably skating are why the Rangers rolled the dice on Day, because they think they can improve his mental part of the game. His skating got him drafted.
Size is still very important in context and it’s still a important part of the choice process between choosing players, and along with DOB the first things Scouts write down about a player. In its simplest form you can have Desharnais and I’ll take his 6’2” comparable every day of the week. Size will always matter in the NHL and in the drafting process, assuming the contribution to a team is on a similar level, a GM is going to take the bigger guy over a smaller guy.

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Posted 2018-03-03 6:34 PM (#699533 - in reply to #699409)
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I don't know, I'm tempted to take the best f/o guy available.
Seriously, though it's best guy available. The way it looks of course is if you win the overall top pick it'd be a dman. If you're not at #1 but in the top 5 it's probably a forward. Then from 6 to 12 it's mostly dmen. If we do get a dman with our top pick (I'm not expecting to be top 5) we could balance it out by targeting a forward in the 15 - 20 range and trading up with some of those extra picks. Just don't reach.
Big question - does anyone know when they hold the lottery?
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walter t - 2018-03-03 8:34 PM

I don't know, I'm tempted to take the best f/o guy available.
Seriously, though it's best guy available. The way it looks of course is if you win the overall top pick it'd be a dman. If you're not at #1 but in the top 5 it's probably a forward. Then from 6 to 12 it's mostly dmen. If we do get a dman with our top pick (I'm not expecting to be top 5) we could balance it out by targeting a forward in the 15 - 20 range and trading up with some of those extra picks. Just don't reach.
Big question - does anyone know when they hold the lottery?

I thinks its at the end of April
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Posted 2018-03-04 5:14 AM (#699647 - in reply to #697079)
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THN Article of teams draft performance in the later rounds (3rd & on). Rangers were ranked #10, not bad.
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walter t - 2018-03-03 8:34 PM

I don't know, I'm tempted to take the best f/o guy available.



Howden is tagged as a good faceoff guy
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Posted 2018-03-07 7:48 AM (#699944 - in reply to #699520)
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Rranger - 2018-03-03 5:37 PM
assuming the contribution to a team is on a similar level, a GM is going to take the bigger guy over a smaller guy.


I have no problem with that, unfortunately GMs like fans are easily swayed by height and weight and often do a poor job looking into more telling statistics that are better indicators of NHL success. Hence, MSL goes undrafted, Gadreau falls to the 4th or 5th round, etc.

If you go back and do a re-draft of every year you'll find that the biggest risers are the small, talented players, and the biggest fallers are the big guys with questionable NHL talent. Just look at the Rangers' biggest draft blunders in recent memory, Jessiman and McIlrath. Their headline asset? Size. GMs are much too easily fooled by a big man.

These days, with the availability of both advanced statistics and internet game streaming, a club has no excuse to fall into this trap anymore. Organizations with resources, like the Rangers, should be investing heavily in amateur scouting because it will make the biggest impact on their business down the road. For the price of one year of Cody McLeod you could get 10 more european scouts, trying to find gems in lower, smaller leagues like in Slovakia. Amateur scouting methodology needs to come out of the dark ages; there is so much room for improvement on this front in the NHL.
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Posted 2018-03-07 8:55 AM (#699946 - in reply to #699944)
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Rranger - 2018-03-03 5:37 PM
assuming the contribution to a team is on a similar level, a GM is going to take the bigger guy over a smaller guy.


I have no problem with that, unfortunately GMs like fans are easily swayed by height and weight and often do a poor job looking into more telling statistics that are better indicators of NHL success. Hence, MSL goes undrafted, Gadreau falls to the 4th or 5th round, etc.

If you go back and do a re-draft of every year you'll find that the biggest risers are the small, talented players, and the biggest fallers are the big guys with questionable NHL talent. Just look at the Rangers' biggest draft blunders in recent memory, Jessiman and McIlrath. Their headline asset? Size. GMs are much too easily fooled by a big man.

These days, with the availability of both advanced statistics and internet game streaming, a club has no excuse to fall into this trap anymore. Organizations with resources, like the Rangers, should be investing heavily in amateur scouting because it will make the biggest impact on their business down the road. For the price of one year of Cody McLeod you could get 10 more european scouts, trying to find gems in lower, smaller leagues like in Slovakia. Amateur scouting methodology needs to come out of the dark ages; there is so much room for improvement on this front in the NHL.




Little guys have failed also. Gaudreau and St. Louis are no different than star "big guys" drafted late or signed as free agents. Your looking at it from one side. They are also part of two different eras. When St Louis started it was still a big man's game, but cream rises doesn't matter how big or small you are. He had it a lot tougher than Gaudreau to get his foot in the door. Gaudreau and company have walked into a new NHL where rule changes have been made to open up the game which has created opportunity for nimble, fast skaters, many who are smaller. Big men that can fly are still coveted, and will probably always have more value. The little guys are only becoming a factor in the last 5 years or so because the rule changes that don't let you touch anybody anymore, and give them a lot more room on the ice. And little guys have been finding their way into the game as a result. I don't think thats any secret and G.M.'s have been adjusting. Gilmour and Pionk are good examples of the Rangers going after talent, in lieu of big size. Other teams have adapted rosters all over the NHL have smaller players.
Although McIlrath was drafted to bring specific assets to the table, his size was very much a part of the package and role he was drafted to fill. He was going to be there protector, thats why they drafted him. The Rangers had to have known the risk involved in drafting McIlrath. Hugh was Tom Renny's claim to fame. Draft prognosticators laughed where the Rangers drafted him. Everybody else went who?? That was just a terrible pick in a can't miss draft. Renney who was in over his head, made the call was fooled by his size and skill package, and flat out overestimated his abilities. They were also drafted before the relaxing of the holding and obstruction rules where size had a lot of value in drafting, compared to skating in recent NHL drafts. The name of the game now is skating, but you still have to battle, hence the big fast skater will always be taken ahead of the small fast skater, assuming all else is equal and even though its very hard to compare big guy value to little guy value. But thats why Gordie gets the bucks.
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Posted 2018-03-07 8:59 AM (#699947 - in reply to #697079)
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Hopefully alot of people associated with the Hugh pick got fired....I dont know how Sather let that happen....How on Earth did Renney get the Director of player personel job?
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Posted 2018-03-07 9:01 AM (#699948 - in reply to #697079)
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Yes I agreed with your original contention that given two players of equal ability, take the bigger guy. I don't think anyone argues that.

I also never said that little guys don't miss - look at Ryan Bourque - but if you look at redrafts you'll see the trend that the biggest risers are the small guys who fell because they were small - this leads to the conclusion that the biggest gains, the lowest hanging fruit, is by simply weighting talent heavier than size (Which should be done from the start - see point 1)

With advancements in advanced statistics, and with more of these statistics being available in more lower leagues, there's really no excuse to take a bigger guy with worse metrics over a smaller guy with better metrics. Again to the first point, if you have two guys with similar stats, take the bigger guy - just don't be duped by the allure of the big guy. Big guys are a dime a dozen, talent on the other hand is incredibly difficult to find.

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Posted 2018-03-07 9:09 AM (#699949 - in reply to #699947)
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Hopefully alot of people associated with the Hugh pick got fired....I dont know how Sather let that happen....How on Earth did Renney get the Director of player personel job?


The Jessiman pick was a prime example of being bedazzled by size. Jessiman had a great freshman year, BUT he was not a guy that people had their eye on before that season. He had no significant history. He scored in bunches, but it was also in the ECAC, which is not (and at that time, definitely was not) a power hockey conference. This was the same hesitance I had on Vesey - not that he's not good, it's just that you shouldn't expect elite from a Harvard kid.

If Jessiman had put up those numbers, at that school, with no real prior history, and he was 6'0 185# he'd be a third rounder. But since he was big, everyone went WOW HE'S A FIRST ROUNDER and the Rangers bit on this, hard. And it screwed us for arguably the next 8+ years.

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Posted 2018-03-07 9:46 AM (#699952 - in reply to #699949)
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Mikey Red - 2018-03-07 9:59 AM

Hopefully alot of people associated with the Hugh pick got fired....I dont know how Sather let that happen....How on Earth did Renney get the Director of player personel job?


The Jessiman pick was a prime example of being bedazzled by size. Jessiman had a great freshman year, BUT he was not a guy that people had their eye on before that season. He had no significant history. He scored in bunches, but it was also in the ECAC, which is not (and at that time, definitely was not) a power hockey conference. This was the same hesitance I had on Vesey - not that he's not good, it's just that you shouldn't expect elite from a Harvard kid.

If Jessiman had put up those numbers, at that school, with no real prior history, and he was 6'0 185# he'd be a third rounder. But since he was big, everyone went WOW HE'S A FIRST ROUNDER and the Rangers bit on this, hard. And it screwed us for arguably the next 8+ years.


Yep....once I see the words ECAC and Dartmouth ....I dont even go look at the kid.
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Posted 2018-03-07 10:16 AM (#699953 - in reply to #699949)
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concust - 2018-03-07 8:09 AM

Mikey Red - 2018-03-07 9:59 AM

Hopefully alot of people associated with the Hugh pick got fired....I dont know how Sather let that happen....How on Earth did Renney get the Director of player personel job?


The Jessiman pick was a prime example of being bedazzled by size. Jessiman had a great freshman year, BUT he was not a guy that people had their eye on before that season. He had no significant history. He scored in bunches, but it was also in the ECAC, which is not (and at that time, definitely was not) a power hockey conference. This was the same hesitance I had on Vesey - not that he's not good, it's just that you shouldn't expect elite from a Harvard kid.

If Jessiman had put up those numbers, at that school, with no real prior history, and he was 6'0 185# he'd be a third rounder. But since he was big, everyone went WOW HE'S A FIRST ROUNDER and the Rangers bit on this, hard. And it screwed us for arguably the next 8+ years.






Jessiman and McIlrath were drafted when size was at a premium. And Jessiman was a terrible pick, look at that first round and show me anyone drafting a Gaudreau sized player back then. It was a different drafting philosophy back then. The Rangers could have drafted Ryan Getzlaf instead, with smarter people picking and then we don’t have this conversation. The Rangers picked the WRONG big man.
No one knew back then of the rule changes coming. Teams have adapted to drafting what they perceive to be the best player big or small since the beer league rules were implemented. Calgary drafting a Gaudreau sized player when they did was indicative of the change in philosophy. Now your seeing smaller players picked all through the draft. Your preaching to the choir.
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Posted 2018-03-14 7:22 AM (#700564 - in reply to #697079)
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I'm not preaching to the choir because smaller, more talented players, are still being passed over for larger, less talented players. Look at how far Sprong fell, or Brayden Point. If Point was 20 lbs heavier and an inch taller he would have been a top pick but instead he fell to the third round. It's a smarter play to take the more talented player, and he busts because he's too small, than it is to take a bigger player and he busts because he's not actually any good at hockey. Talent is ultimately a much rarer commodity than size. If, down the road, you need a big burly bottom-6 player or a 6/7th defenseman, they're a dime a dozen. Spend your picks on talent not size.

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Posted 2018-03-14 8:19 AM (#700565 - in reply to #697079)
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McIlrath almost made it. He was close. It's not like the big guys we've drafted were talentless....

Being big, and using that size is a talent. Clearing the crease/being a power forward is a talent. Point is all finess, which is also a talent, but he can't be a net front pressence.... he's not going to win you the battles in the trenches.... he's not going to drop the gloves or bring physicality.

All good traits
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Posted 2018-03-14 1:01 PM (#700585 - in reply to #700564)
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concust - 2018-03-14 6:22 AM

I'm not preaching to the choir because smaller, more talented players, are still being passed over for larger, less talented players. Look at how far Sprong fell, or Brayden Point. If Point was 20 lbs heavier and an inch taller he would have been a top pick but instead he fell to the third round. It's a smarter play to take the more talented player, and he busts because he's too small, than it is to take a bigger player and he busts because he's not actually any good at hockey. Talent is ultimately a much rarer commodity than size. If, down the road, you need a big burly bottom-6 player or a 6/7th defenseman, they're a dime a dozen. Spend your picks on talent not size.




Teams are now with the new rules, as I explained earlier paying more attention to smaller players. See this years draft projections.
Sprong?? Never heard of him. If you need a small finesse player they are also a dime a dozen and available anytime in the draft, so its a moot point whether a team wants to wait til what ever round to draft one of them or a big burly bottom 6 player or a 6/7 defense man. Its a matter of when a team wants to draft certain players. Tampa drafted three defense men ahead of Point that year including a undersized DeAngelo as their number one. I'd say they were looking for defensemen that year. Teams have priorities and plans entering drafts apparently Point wasn't in any teams plans til Tampa drafted him. Third round picks and down get stole all the time because teams miss on projecting that players upside. There are a lot more big players stole in the later rounds of drafts. Teams were not drafting Point who at 5'10" is the same size as Ryan Callahan and also taller than three of his forward teammates, just because he's a inch shorter or 20 lbs lighter during his draft year, he had other issues. Imagine 31 teams sitting at the draft and saying we are not taking Point because he's one inch to short and 20lbs lighter even though he has first round talent. You are monday morning quarterbacking because Point has had success that wasn’t projected by 31 teams on draft day, and also using a ridiculously small sample size. Pardon the pun..


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Posted 2018-03-17 9:28 AM (#700920 - in reply to #697079)
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Thanks to our recent unfortunate play (which has been needlessly solid) we might have to start looking at the prospects in the 12 to 15 range.
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