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Posted 2018-06-15 11:41 PM (#706448)
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Max Domi for Alex Galchenyuk, not sure what Bergevin is smoking but I’m in.
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Posted 2018-06-16 8:18 AM (#706452 - in reply to #706448)
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Ok I won’t be left out either,I am in.
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Posted 2018-06-16 8:23 AM (#706455 - in reply to #706452)
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Blue404 - 2018-06-16 10:18 AM

Ok I won’t be left out either,I am in.

What about the assistants?
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Posted 2018-06-16 8:24 AM (#706456 - in reply to #706448)
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Wow...interesting....AZ got the better of that trade...Im not sold on Domi
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Posted 2018-06-16 8:57 AM (#706457 - in reply to #706455)
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Ok I won’t be left out either,I am in.

What about the assistants?
Once they done their obligations duty for Hillary they are free to cross with the children of 11 each.Grass won’t grow high.
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Posted 2018-06-16 8:58 AM (#706458 - in reply to #706456)
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Mikey Red - 2018-06-16 10:24 AM

Wow...interesting....AZ got the better of that trade...Im not sold on Domi
Lets see how long he will stay with Arizona.
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Posted 2018-06-16 9:13 AM (#706460 - in reply to #706457)
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Ok I won’t be left out either,I am in.

What about the assistants?
Once they done their obligations duty for Hillary they are free to cross with the children of 11 each.Grass won’t grow high.

Hahahaha
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Posted 2018-06-16 9:14 AM (#706461 - in reply to #706458)
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Mikey Red - 2018-06-16 10:24 AM

Wow...interesting....AZ got the better of that trade...Im not sold on Domi
Lets see how long he will stay with Arizona.

Yep I'm sure he is so not excited
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Posted 2018-06-16 9:20 AM (#706463 - in reply to #706452)
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Blue404 - 2018-06-16 7:18 AM

Ok I won’t be left out either,I am in.







Will it measure up to B.C. bud?

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Posted 2018-06-16 9:30 AM (#706464 - in reply to #706448)
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I hope Gorton has some good things up his sleeve
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Posted 2018-06-16 9:46 AM (#706465 - in reply to #706448)
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Montreal is so terrible. They need to blow it up. GM.... coach.... players....

Rangers did a slow demolition.... Montreal needs to just blow it tf up!
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Posted 2018-06-16 10:02 AM (#706466 - in reply to #706465)
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robstones - 2018-06-16 11:46 AM

Montreal is so terrible. They need to blow it up. GM.... coach.... players....

Rangers did a slow demolition.... Montreal needs to just blow it tf up!

Yep...How Bergevin has a job besides being French is amazing
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Posted 2018-06-16 10:42 AM (#706468 - in reply to #706466)
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Mikey Red - 2018-06-16 10:02 AM

robstones - 2018-06-16 11:46 AM

Montreal is so terrible. They need to blow it up. GM.... coach.... players....

Rangers did a slow demolition.... Montreal needs to just blow it tf up!

Yep...How Bergevin has a job besides being French is amazing


Bergevin must have "read" something.....



Edited by Rangerjunkie 2018-06-16 10:42 AM
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Mikey Red
Posted 2018-06-16 10:54 AM (#706470 - in reply to #706468)
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robstones - 2018-06-16 11:46 AM

Montreal is so terrible. They need to blow it up. GM.... coach.... players....

Rangers did a slow demolition.... Montreal needs to just blow it tf up!

Yep...How Bergevin has a job besides being French is amazing


Bergevin must have "read" something.....


Hahahaha EASILY!
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Posted 2018-06-16 11:27 AM (#706471 - in reply to #706468)
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robstones - 2018-06-16 11:46 AM

Montreal is so terrible. They need to blow it up. GM.... coach.... players....

Rangers did a slow demolition.... Montreal needs to just blow it tf up!

Yep...How Bergevin has a job besides being French is amazing


Bergevin must have "read" something.....






You disturber you.
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Mikey Red
Posted 2018-06-16 1:40 PM (#706472 - in reply to #706448)
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Lol haha ha
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Posted 2018-06-16 2:06 PM (#706473 - in reply to #706465)
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robstones - 2018-06-16 9:46 AM

Montreal is so terrible. They need to blow it up. GM.... coach.... players....

Rangers did a slow demolition.... Montreal needs to just blow it tf up!


Good, this is 1 team I CANNOT stand @ all. I don't mind Leafs, Jets, most Canadian teams, I cannot stand this team/francize.
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Posted 2018-06-16 2:19 PM (#706474 - in reply to #706463)
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Blue404 - 2018-06-16 7:18 AM

Ok I won’t be left out either,I am in.







Will it measure up to B.C. bud?

Soon in Canada: None smoking prohibited.
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Posted 2018-06-16 2:29 PM (#706475 - in reply to #706473)
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Montreal is so terrible. They need to blow it up. GM.... coach.... players....

Rangers did a slow demolition.... Montreal needs to just blow it tf up!


Good, this is 1 team I CANNOT stand @ all. I don't mind Leafs, Jets, most Canadian teams, I cannot stand this team/francize.

A cause for spirits?
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Mikey Red
Posted 2018-06-16 2:30 PM (#706476 - in reply to #706448)
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Come on Jeff...WOW us! clock is ticking
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Posted 2018-06-16 5:13 PM (#706478 - in reply to #706466)
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Mikey Red - 2018-06-16 12:02 PM

robstones - 2018-06-16 11:46 AM

Montreal is so terrible. They need to blow it up. GM.... coach.... players....

Rangers did a slow demolition.... Montreal needs to just blow it tf up!

Yep...How Bergevin has a job besides being French is amazing

Not really -- their owners must be related to The Dolts (after all, we've said the same thing about Sather since he got here).
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Posted 2018-06-16 5:15 PM (#706479 - in reply to #706478)
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Mikey Red - 2018-06-16 12:02 PM

robstones - 2018-06-16 11:46 AM

Montreal is so terrible. They need to blow it up. GM.... coach.... players....

Rangers did a slow demolition.... Montreal needs to just blow it tf up!

Yep...How Bergevin has a job besides being French is amazing

Not really -- their owners must be related to The Dolts (after all, we've said the same thing about Sather since he got here).

Yep we have our fleas too no doubt.....Sather said with the NYR payroll he would win the SC every year
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Posted 2018-06-16 5:35 PM (#706481 - in reply to #706448)
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If we come out of the first pick with Thachuk which is unlikely or Evan Bouchard and a couple of big jam filled forwards late in the first this cowboy will be happy.
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Posted 2018-06-16 6:59 PM (#706487 - in reply to #706481)
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Rranger - 2018-06-16 7:35 PM

If we come out of the first pick with Thachuk which is unlikely or Evan Bouchard and a couple of big jam filled forwards late in the first this cowboy will be happy.

Yep then we can quote Jimmy Johnson and say "how bout them Cowboys!" with the Ottawa mess....I think there is gonna be a move North for us
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Posted 2018-06-16 8:05 PM (#706490 - in reply to #706448)
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I want Whalstrom or Dobson at #9 though Bouchard would be nice, too...

Then hoping Martin Kaut is still on the board for our second 1st rounder and if we miss out on a RHD at #9 Nils Lundkvist should be on the radar...... the other OTHER Swedish defenseman in this draft

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Posted 2018-06-16 8:15 PM (#706491 - in reply to #706490)
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robstones - 2018-06-16 10:05 PM

I want Whalstrom or Dobson at #9 though Bouchard would be nice, too...

Then hoping Martin Kaut is still on the board for our second 1st rounder and if we miss out on a RHD at #9 Nils Lundkvist should be on the radar...... the other OTHER Swedish defenseman in this draft

Yeah dude...I think we gotta move up ..Wahl..Brady, Dobs, Bouch
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Posted 2018-06-16 9:26 PM (#706492 - in reply to #706491)
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I want Whalstrom or Dobson at #9 though Bouchard would be nice, too...

Then hoping Martin Kaut is still on the board for our second 1st rounder and if we miss out on a RHD at #9 Nils Lundkvist should be on the radar...... the other OTHER Swedish defenseman in this draft

Yeah dude...I think we gotta move up ..Wahl..Brady, Dobs, Bouch


All it will take is Jesperi Kotkaniemi to be taken before we pick, and one of those guys will be available for us.

Just about every mock draft has the top 10 as the same players.... Kotkaniemi is always one of them.

Dahlin
Svechnikov
Zadina
Whalstrom
Hughes
Tkachuk
Dobson
Bouchard
Kotkaniemi
Boqvist

If Kotkaniemi and Boqvist are gone before we pick, we're in good shape, and likely means both Dobson and Bouchard will be on the board for us.

There's always the chance of a team reaching a bit, too... maybe someone picks outside of the precieved top 10 for a Joe Veleno or something!

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Posted 2018-06-16 9:33 PM (#706493 - in reply to #706492)
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robstones - 2018-06-16 10:05 PM

I want Whalstrom or Dobson at #9 though Bouchard would be nice, too...

Then hoping Martin Kaut is still on the board for our second 1st rounder and if we miss out on a RHD at #9 Nils Lundkvist should be on the radar...... the other OTHER Swedish defenseman in this draft

Yeah dude...I think we gotta move up ..Wahl..Brady, Dobs, Bouch


All it will take is Jesperi Kotkaniemi to be taken before we pick, and one of those guys will be available for us.

Just about every mock draft has the top 10 as the same players.... Kotkaniemi is always one of them.

Dahlin
Svechnikov
Zadina
Whalstrom
Hughes
Tkachuk
Dobson
Bouchard
Kotkaniemi
Boqvist

If Kotkaniemi and Boqvist are gone before we pick, we're in good shape, and likely means both Dobson and Bouchard will be on the board for us.

There's always the chance of a team reaching a bit, too... maybe someone picks outside of the precieved top 10 for a Joe Veleno or something!

Yep totally....LGR!
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Posted 2018-06-18 11:21 AM (#706522 - in reply to #706492)
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All it will take is Jesperi Kotkaniemi to be taken before we pick, and one of those guys will be available for us.

Just about every mock draft has the top 10 as the same players.... Kotkaniemi is always one of them.

Dahlin
Svechnikov
Zadina
Whalstrom
Hughes
Tkachuk
Dobson
Bouchard
Kotkaniemi
Boqvist

If Kotkaniemi and Boqvist are gone before we pick, we're in good shape, and likely means both Dobson and Bouchard will be on the board for us.

There's always the chance of a team reaching a bit, too... maybe someone picks outside of the precieved top 10 for a Joe Veleno or something!


Yeah, I have my preferences, but truth is, we will get a very nice player regardless. My only hope is that we don't make a "reach" pick ourselves.
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Posted 2018-06-18 2:52 PM (#706525 - in reply to #706448)
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If there is a Hugh Jessiman or Dylan McIlrath in this draft, leave it to this organization to find him.
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Posted 2018-06-18 2:54 PM (#706526 - in reply to #706525)
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If there is a Hugh Jessiman or Dylan McIlrath in this draft, leave it to this organization to find him.

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Posted 2018-06-19 6:33 PM (#706560 - in reply to #706448)
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The only one of the obvious I don’t care for is Boqvist.
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Posted 2018-06-20 5:51 AM (#706563 - in reply to #706448)
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If this guy is available at 9 he's my pick

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIWe14n3SVg
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Posted 2018-06-20 6:30 AM (#706564 - in reply to #706448)
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I would take this kid in 2d rd (39)


http://hfboards.mandatory.com/threads/lw-albin-eriksson-skelleftea-...

nut he might be gone before then

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Mikey Red
Posted 2018-06-20 7:42 AM (#706565 - in reply to #706564)
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Im waiting for the fireworks!
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Posted 2018-06-20 8:32 AM (#706566 - in reply to #706448)
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One thing for sure... The Rangers can F up a wet dream when it comes to the draft. I am just as interested in how they deal with 25M in projected cap space and trades

Some RFA's to deal with and want to see what they do in b/u goal....

Hayes and Skjiel dealings will be interesting, and give 0 F's about the rest.


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Posted 2018-06-20 9:01 AM (#706567 - in reply to #706566)
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Pierre_Pdare - 2018-06-20 10:32 AM

One thing for sure... The Rangers can F up a wet dream when it comes to the draft. I am just as interested in how they deal with 25M in projected cap space and trades

Some RFA's to deal with and want to see what they do in b/u goal....

Hayes and Skjiel dealings will be interesting, and give 0 F's about the rest.



They are very good at F'ing up the wet dream lol
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Posted 2018-06-20 11:21 AM (#706570 - in reply to #706448)
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http://www.thehockeynews.com/news/article/tough-to-trade-five-playe...
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Posted 2018-06-20 11:35 AM (#706571 - in reply to #706448)
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Lots of info there....If I gotta take Lucic contract I want Leon with him...or RNH and the #10....and get our Bowling Ball Warrior back and give him the C
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Posted 2018-06-20 6:07 PM (#706577 - in reply to #706565)
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Mikey Red - 2018-06-20 6:42 AM

Im waiting for the fireworks!






bring on this draft.
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Posted 2018-06-21 10:08 AM (#706607 - in reply to #706571)
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Mikey Red - 2018-06-20 12:35 PM

Lots of info there....If I gotta take Lucic contract I want Leon with him...or RNH and the #10....and get our Bowling Ball Warrior back and give him the C


I don't know if it's Lucic or someone else... but the Rangers have the resources and are in a very good position to take on a bad contract and get good assets for it... these deals can be difficult to make but I'd be happy to burn a roster spot on Lucic and let Dolan write him some checks if he comes along with some assets. (don't think we can realistically pry Leon out of there but on the other hand... Chiarelli)
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Posted 2018-06-21 10:32 AM (#706610 - in reply to #706607)
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Mikey Red - 2018-06-20 12:35 PM

Lots of info there....If I gotta take Lucic contract I want Leon with him...or RNH and the #10....and get our Bowling Ball Warrior back and give him the C


I don't know if it's Lucic or someone else... but the Rangers have the resources and are in a very good position to take on a bad contract and get good assets for it... these deals can be difficult to make but I'd be happy to burn a roster spot on Lucic and let Dolan write him some checks if he comes along with some assets. (don't think we can realistically pry Leon out of there but on the other hand... Chiarelli)

Yeah true...I have even heard Zack Kassian maybe part of a deal too

According to multiple reports Barry Trotz nearing deal to become Coach of the Isles
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Posted 2018-06-21 12:24 PM (#706617 - in reply to #706448)
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Fishsticks getting serious: https://www.nhl.com/news/barry-trotz-to-be-hired-as-coach-of-new-yor...
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Posted 2018-06-21 12:33 PM (#706618 - in reply to #706448)
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Posted 2018-06-21 1:40 PM (#706621 - in reply to #706448)
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I think the Fishsticks are loading the front office as a selling point to keep JT, just may be the case. They may try to sell him the Craps Blueprints.

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Posted 2018-06-21 2:10 PM (#706624 - in reply to #706617)
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LeetchyMrRanger - 2018-06-21 1:24 PM

Fishsticks getting serious: https://www.nhl.com/news/barry-trotz-to-be-hired-as-coach-of-new-yor...


Yeah I mean, there's no other coaching openings...

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LeetchyMrRanger - 2018-06-21 2:40 PM

I think the Fishsticks are loading the front office as a selling point to keep JT, just may be the case. They may try to sell him the Craps Blueprints.


This i think might actually work. We'll see at the end of the day what JT's motivations are... you can hire good front office people, but still, you look at the ineptitude of the past 25 years, I don't see how anyone would want to stay there long term if they have a choice.
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Posted 2018-06-21 2:24 PM (#706626 - in reply to #706448)
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JT will absolutely be making it to July 1
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Posted 2018-06-21 6:35 PM (#706634 - in reply to #706626)
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Mikey Red - 2018-06-21 4:24 PM

JT will absolutely be making it to July 1
He sucks
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Posted 2018-06-21 6:38 PM (#706635 - in reply to #706634)
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Mikey Red - 2018-06-21 4:24 PM

JT will absolutely be making it to July 1
He sucks

Yep...Don't want him
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Posted 2018-06-21 7:03 PM (#706636 - in reply to #706635)
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Mikey Red - 2018-06-21 8:38 PM

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Mikey Red - 2018-06-21 4:24 PM

JT will absolutely be making it to July 1
He sucks

Yep...Don't want him
Callahan,MCD,JT,Stralman - SC performances failure.
All of them was a good riddance.
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Blue404 - 2018-06-21 9:03 PM

Mikey Red - 2018-06-21 8:38 PM

Blue404 - 2018-06-21 8:35 PM

Mikey Red - 2018-06-21 4:24 PM

JT will absolutely be making it to July 1
He sucks

Yep...Don't want him
Callahan,MCD,JT,Stralman - SC performances failure.
All of them was a good riddance.

Take it back! Cally brings it
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Mikey Red - 2018-06-21 9:12 PM

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Mikey Red - 2018-06-21 8:38 PM

Blue404 - 2018-06-21 8:35 PM

Mikey Red - 2018-06-21 4:24 PM

JT will absolutely be making it to July 1
He sucks

Yep...Don't want him
Callahan,MCD,JT,Stralman - SC performances failure.
All of them was a good riddance.

Take it back! Cally brings it
He brings nothing.
He is done and was done when he left us.
Pure and simple.
Can’t score,can’t hit and often injured due time some reckless plays,when he was here he has missed so many hits and instead hit the boards and has exposed himself to injury prone player as he is.
Oh and he is Greedy.
I know that the guy loves his wife even when she is cheating on him but the fact is she is still the bitch but a loved one.
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Hahah he is a warrior.....terrible terrible terrible move trading him
Today it was a great move.Huge contract (still under it)injured again (next few months out of action)
MSL is gone and so is the contract.
MSL scores enough and a lot to help to win but he was old so he just quit and retired while Cally will still be looking to find a taker. I
He is untradable due to his contract and phisical fit.Good riddance.
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Hahah he is a warrior.....terrible terrible terrible move trading him
Today it was a great move.Huge contract (still under it)injured again (next few months out of action)
MSL is gone and so is the contract.
MSL scores enough and a lot to help to win but he was old so he just quit and retired while Cally will still be looking to find a taker. I
He is untradable due to his contract and phisical fit.Good riddance.

We might win the SC with Cally and Duby
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Mikey Red - 2018-06-21 9:23 PM

Hahah he is a warrior.....terrible terrible terrible move trading him
Today it was a great move.Huge contract (still under it)injured again (next few months out of action)
MSL is gone and so is the contract.
MSL scores enough and a lot to help to win but he was old so he just quit and retired while Cally will still be looking to find a taker. I
He is untradable due to his contract and phisical fit.Good riddance.

We might win the SC with Cally and Duby
Duby was a nice guy and very liked but you need to support that on the ice that you are worthy all that.His contract is as bad as Callys now.Torts brought life to Duby but now that is gone too so those guys cashed in but hockey wise they were and are done.

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Faking Apple add words like it does know hockey!So smart and yet crooked Hillary lost it.

lol get the assistants on it
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I want to see some trades!

Zuc,Hayes(due to his best season his value is the highest now I assume)
Staal could go to and his contract but he is a warrior when properly motivated.
Pavlec needs to go,Namestnikov too.

Keep Spooner,Chityl,Buch,Skjel
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Blue404 - 2018-06-21 7:37 PM

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Blue404 - 2018-06-21 9:30 PM

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Hahah he is a warrior.....terrible terrible terrible move trading him
Today it was a great move.Huge contract (still under it)injured again (next few months out of action)
MSL is gone and so is the contract.
MSL scores enough and a lot to help to win but he was old so he just quit and retired while Cally will still be looking to find a taker. I
He is untradable due to his contract and phisical fit.Good riddance.

We might win the SC with Cally and Duby
Duby was a nice guy and very liked but you need to support that on the ice that you are worthy all that.His contract is as bad as Callys now.Torts brought life to Duby but now that is gone too so those guys cashed in but hockey wise they were and are done.


Not for nuthin but Duby was a dickk..plain and simple, if you ever ran into him you would know what I mean....and Cally was a self destructing wrecking ball with very little to offer....see ya wouldn't wanna be ya! Go Golden Knights !!!!

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All RFA's have been qualified except for Adam Tambellini. His days as a Ranger may be over, or it's possible he may sign a smaller deal or an AHL deal with Hartford.
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2003 draft is on NHL net right now and they just showed the Jessiman pick.....and Sather after the pick saying we have watched him and studied him......
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2003 draft is on NHL net right now and they just showed the Jessiman pick.....and Sather after the pick saying we have watched him and studied him......
Apparently others watched him too except they had their eyes wide open unlike Rangers s out who’s noses were in up in Sathers a$$
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Mikey Red - 2018-06-22 1:21 PM

2003 draft is on NHL net right now and they just showed the Jessiman pick.....and Sather after the pick saying we have watched him and studied him......
Apparently others watched him too except they had their eyes wide open unlike Rangers s out who’s noses were in up in Sathers a$$

yep hard to miss in that draft...Hall of Famers in there....We F'd up....and whats funny...the broadcasters were saying at the time that the draft has not been a strong suit for the Rangers and showed the recent picks from 1998 to 2002 all busts
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2003 draft is on NHL net right now and they just showed the Jessiman pick.....and Sather after the pick saying we have watched him and studied him......





Jessiman is on Tom Renney.
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2003 draft is on NHL net right now and they just showed the Jessiman pick.....and Sather after the pick saying we have watched him and studied him......





Jessiman is on Tom Renney.
Riding on his back?
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Was talking about Jessiman in another forum.... I didn't know why he never panned out. It's because he came back too early from an injury in college, and because of that never healed right. He wasn't so much of a bust as he was a poor decision maker.

Hr should've listened to Sather and quit Dartmouth after 2 years to play in Hartford. Instead he wanted to "dominate" in college, got injured, and put too much pressure on himself

https://nhl.nbcsports.com/2012/12/09/hugh-jessiman-regrets-hes-had-a...
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Here you go

https://thehockeywriters.com/vitali-kravtsov-steal-2018-draft/
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Was talking about Jessiman in another forum.... I didn't know why he never panned out. It's because he came back too early from an injury in college, and because of that never healed right. He wasn't so much of a bust as he was a poor decision maker.

Hr should've listened to Sather and quit Dartmouth after 2 years to play in Hartford. Instead he wanted to "dominate" in college, got injured, and put too much pressure on himself

https://nhl.nbcsports.com/2012/12/09/hugh-jessiman-regrets-hes-had-a...

We should of never let Renney make the pick
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He BETTER pan out




The deal is does he buy into becoming better by working on his weaknesses or does he do a Zherdev and ignore coaches. He’s a talented kid and not a stretch where the Rangers drafted him. I feel better about his upside than Andersson’s, and he might look pretty good with Chytil a year down the road. The story says he needs to be more physical and be more committed to defence, and coming back on the backcheck, certainly nothing that can’t be picked up quick, with some direction and insistence on a coaches part. I think getting him over this year and playing at least in the AHL would be a good start.
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We have helped out 9 teams to improve their rosters.
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Prospect Camp invites, nice to see double digit legit prospects.



The Rangers have announced that 36 players will join the team at Prospect Development camp this week in New York.

Forwards: Lias Andersson, Morgan Barron, Filip Chytil, Gabriel Fontaine, Kevin Hancock, Brett Howden, Dylan McLaughlin, Tim Gettinger, Dawson Leedahl, Michael Lindqvist, Drew Melanson, Riley Hughes, Vitali Kravtsov, Josh Melnick, Ville Meskanen, Lauri Pajuniemi, Ty Ronning, Tyler Nanne, Mason Bergh

Defense: Alex Basso, Sean Day, Nico Gross, Libor Hajek, Joey Keane, Simon Kjellberg, Ryan Lindgren, Nils Lundkvist, K'Andre Miller, Brogan Rafferty, Jacob Ragnarsson, Calle Sjalin, Josh Teves

Goalie: Alexander Georgiev, Adam Huska, Olof Lindbom, Tyler Wall


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Oh mamma I just got hopeful Sean Day decided to put on his big boy pants. A pair of

Miller Day

Has so much size and speed, it's stupid. Still a possibility. The guy is just 20 now. 20 is the the NHL average for all rookies.... D usually take a bit longer....
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Mikey Red - 2018-06-23 4:14 PM

He BETTER pan out




The deal is does he buy into becoming better by working on his weaknesses or does he do a Zherdev and ignore coaches. He’s a talented kid and not a stretch where the Rangers drafted him. I feel better about his upside than Andersson’s, and he might look pretty good with Chytil a year down the road. The story says he needs to be more physical and be more committed to defence, and coming back on the backcheck, certainly nothing that can’t be picked up quick, with some direction and insistence on a coaches part. I think getting him over this year and playing at least in the AHL would be a good start.


He could be another Kovalev. Kovalev learned to use his size and physicality after a few years.

Give the kid #27
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Carlson stays with the Caps. 8 years 8 mill AAV. 8x8.

These deals are crazy. We are going to stay focused on the 2nd level FA's I believe. And what will we do with our RFA's. We'll find out soon.


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Oh mamma I just got hopeful Sean Day decided to put on his big boy pants. A pair of

Miller Day

Has so much size and speed, it's stupid. Still a possibility. The guy is just 20 now. 20 is the the NHL average for all rookies.... D usually take a bit longer....

Rob I want you there in Tarrytown to cover the camp and give us a report!
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THN says & advice to teams don't go crazy with this year's UFAs. I agree.
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robstones - 2018-06-24 4:54 PM

Oh mamma I just got hopeful Sean Day decided to put on his big boy pants. A pair of

Miller Day

Has so much size and speed, it's stupid. Still a possibility. The guy is just 20 now. 20 is the the NHL average for all rookies.... D usually take a bit longer....

Rob I want you there in Tarrytown to cover the camp and give us a report!


I'll have to check, but I think I have work that day
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robstones - 2018-06-24 4:54 PM

Oh mamma I just got hopeful Sean Day decided to put on his big boy pants. A pair of

Miller Day

Has so much size and speed, it's stupid. Still a possibility. The guy is just 20 now. 20 is the the NHL average for all rookies.... D usually take a bit longer....

Rob I want you there in Tarrytown to cover the camp and give us a report!


I'll have to check, but I think I have work that day

Lol Dam!but its 4 days I think lol
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Should be interesting to say what happens with Tavares ....I say no way he goes back to Isles


Trotz is cool and everything.... but if they don't get a goalie they'll always be a bubble team at best.

Their Russian, Sorokin, extended his contract till 2020
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Yeah definitely ...and a big thing is the Arena...Barclays is terrible...they have to play in 2 arenas for a couple of years...thats a deal breaker lol
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Lou will find a goalie, have no doubt about that. The days of islander ineptness are over, and they will soon join the playoff spot race with or without Tavares. .
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For TB to afford Tavares they'd have to trim down for sure. They have some big ticket items on the books. Tavares has to get between 8-10 per cap hit wise you'd think.


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I would give them Names back and take Miller


Why not keep both? TB doesn't need help strengthening their roster. Take Miller and send them a cheap, useless player (Fast?) and a 7th.
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Mikey Red - 2018-06-25 2:27 PM

I would give them Names back and take Miller


Why not keep both? TB doesn't need help strengthening their roster. Take Miller and send them a cheap, useless player (Fast?) and a 7th.

I would love to do that but Im not sure TB would comply
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Looking at the UFA list; nobody to rush out and throw dollars at. I'd resign Grabner and try for JVR. The rest are over the hill, has-beens and never-were. Unless there's another Gainey GM out there, what you see is what you get. And please, no more trades with Arizona; we get hosed every time,
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I also would like to see TD be tried out at Forward. I dont think he has a future as a NHL defenseman ...but he has offensive gifts...or move him....and we need Forwards
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NTHockey - 2018-06-25 4:10 PM

Looking at the UFA list; nobody to rush out and throw dollars at. I'd resign Grabner and try for JVR. The rest are over the hill, has-beens and never-were. Unless there's another Gainey GM out there, what you see is what you get. And please, no more trades with Arizona; we get hosed every time,

I agree....I would also kick the tires on Luke Schenn....Big mean D man....needs a change of scenery
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Should be interesting to say what happens with Tavares ....I say no way he goes back to Isles


my guess Tavares ends up in Toronto. Pretty much grew up right outside of Toronto and it is one of the teams he's interviewing with. If he wants to play with a contender, what better place
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Should be interesting to say what happens with Tavares ....I say no way he goes back to Isles


my guess Tavares ends up in Toronto. Pretty much grew up right outside of Toronto and it is one of the teams he's interviewing with. If he wants to play with a contender, what better place

Yep totally
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Should be interesting to say what happens with Tavares ....I say no way he goes back to Isles


my guess Tavares ends up in Toronto. Pretty much grew up right outside of Toronto and it is one of the teams he's interviewing with. If he wants to play with a contender, what better place

Yep totally




1 year 15 mill or 7 or 8 years north of $10 mill per. Do the math he’s a financial fool to go to Toronto insured for future earnings or not. . Toronto has Marner and Mathews contracts coming up and that will change a lot. He’s going to get offered a bucket load of long term security in all of the locations except from the sounds of it with Toronto and a one year deal, for that he’d have to really like Toronto.

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Mikey Red - 2018-06-25 10:12 AM

Should be interesting to say what happens with Tavares ....I say no way he goes back to Isles


my guess Tavares ends up in Toronto. Pretty much grew up right outside of Toronto and it is one of the teams he's interviewing with. If he wants to play with a contender, what better place


He'd have to take a discount to fit in their long term cap, but, if he can bring a cup to Toronto he'll be a god.

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Should be interesting to say what happens with Tavares ....I say no way he goes back to Isles


my guess Tavares ends up in Toronto. Pretty much grew up right outside of Toronto and it is one of the teams he's interviewing with. If he wants to play with a contender, what better place

Yep totally




1 year 15 mill or 7 or 8 years north of $10 mill per. Do the math he’s a financial fool to go to Toronto insured for future earnings or not. . Toronto has Marner and Mathews contracts coming up and that will change a lot. He’s going to get offered a bucket load of long term security in all of the locations except from the sounds of it with Toronto and a one year deal, for that he’d have to really like Toronto.


You'd be correct if math was the only factor.

I bet San Jose ends up being really appealing to him. Strong club, good ownership, management, leadership, and it's about as far away from Long Island as you can get.
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I can predict the responses already, but here it goes,

Rick Nash has about 5 teams who are heavily interested in his services. That's enough to create enough of a bidding war to exclude the Rangers.

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Rick Nash is mulling retirement...per reports
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I wonder what lines they'll be using in camp.... And Traverse city...

Gettinger Chytil Kravtsov
Lindvist Andersson Meskanen
Leedhal Howden Ronning

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Ladies and Gentlemen...The Euro Rangers....The fact that Clark has final say on draft picks needs to be rectified...yesterday
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Ladies and Gentlemen...The Euro Rangers....The fact that Clark has final say on draft picks needs to be rectified...yesterday


The "Red" part of your name.....Russian?
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Mikey Red - 2018-06-26 1:59 PM

Ladies and Gentlemen...The Euro Rangers....The fact that Clark has final say on draft picks needs to be rectified...yesterday


The "Red" part of your name.....Russian?

Lol no...my hair
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Posted 2018-06-26 1:07 PM (#707316 - in reply to #706448)
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Miller resigns with TB 5-years at 5.25 per (limited NTC). I don't see how they afford Tavares. I think he said he's not coming to TB.





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Rick Nash is mulling retirement...per reports


I did see this, my gut is that if he's considering retirement it's concussion-related, or at least the head injuries are a factor in the decision. He's still a good player at the right price so I don't think it's ability-related.

Hope he's ok.
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Miller resigns with TB 5-years at 5.25 per (limited NTC). I don't see how they afford Tavares. I think he said he's not coming to TB.



Trade Sergachev and Callahan to NYR for a 3rd round pick. Sign Tavares. Islanders cry. Everyone happy
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NYR # 1 - 2018-06-26 2:07 PM

Miller resigns with TB 5-years at 5.25 per (limited NTC). I don't see how they afford Tavares. I think he said he's not coming to TB.



Trade Sergachev and Callahan to NYR for a 3rd round pick. Sign Tavares. Islanders cry. Everyone happy


This would be amazing
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The Russian Rangers

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Russian and Swedish Rangers
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Miller resigns with TB 5-years at 5.25 per (limited NTC). I don't see how they afford Tavares. I think he said he's not coming to TB.







They can have him. I was never a big fan. He takes too many games off, shows up only he wants, & never there when needed most. He has like 3 playoff goals in like 50 or 60 games. See ya....
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I hope they bring back Grabner and pass on Nash and Holden. As for the rest of the UFA group, meh.

What trades are forthcoming?
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I hope they bring back Grabner and pass on Nash and Holden. As for the rest of the UFA group, meh.

What trades are forthcoming?

They are going after Trouba
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I hope they bring back Grabner and pass on Nash and Holden. As for the rest of the UFA group, meh.

What trades are forthcoming?

They are going after Trouba





I hope no Grabner, he is so far from the type of player to fit Quinn's prototype. Quinn says he wants a team that's hard to play against, enough on Grabner. He will need to land with chewy's next destination to have any success. his stay in New Jersey, Toronto and the Island is a lot more indicative of the type of player he is.
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Posted 2018-06-27 6:27 AM (#707346 - in reply to #706448)
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Do you think Gorton will trade Ziban or Hayes? To me that is the biggest question heading into this weekend. You'd think the C's this season will be Ziban or Hayes, Chytil, Andersson and Boo or Name or Spoon or Howden. I'd almost say the smart play would be to deal one of Ziban or Hayes. And personally all things being equal I deal Ziban.

I get Ziban is a R shot, and we are badly lacking those, but I don't think that would be a reason I'd keep him over Hayes. To me Hayes is the more complete player, he is better 5 on 5, and I think there may be more long term upside/value with Hayes, and he is durable as well.

The other big key is contract. Assuming Hayes would take a similar deal to Ziban's I'd keep Hayes. If he is looking to break the bank I keep the cost certainty of Ziban.

Interesting question, but I do think I'd deal one of them to make some room for another kid (specifically Chytil and Andersson).



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Do you think Gorton will trade Ziban or Hayes? To me that is the biggest question heading into this weekend. You'd think the C's this season will be Ziban or Hayes, Chytil, Andersson and Boo or Name or Spoon or Howden. I'd almost say the smart play would be to deal one of Ziban or Hayes. And personally all things being equal I deal Ziban.

I get Ziban is a R shot, and we are badly lacking those, but I don't think that would be a reason I'd keep him over Hayes. To me Hayes is the more complete player, he is better 5 on 5, and I think there may be more long term upside/value with Hayes, and he is durable as well.

The other big key is contract. Assuming Hayes would take a similar deal to Ziban's I'd keep Hayes. If he is looking to break the bank I keep the cost certainty of Ziban.

Interesting question, but I do think I'd deal one of them to make some room for another kid (specifically Chytil and Andersson).


So if we trade Zib, who steps in as #1 C? Hayes is not a 1C. Is Chytil ready for 1C? Probably not. Here are the top C free agents. Aside from JT, I don't see any of these stepping into a 1C role...

JOHN TAVARES, C, 27
PAUL STASTNY, C, 32
JOE THORNTON, C, 38
TYLER BOZAK, C, 32
RILEY NASH, C, 29
VALTTERI FILPPULA, C, 34
MARK LETESTU, C, 33
DEREK RYAN, C, 31
RILEY SHEAHAN, C, 26
TOMAS PLEKANEC, C, 35
JAY BEAGLE, C, 32
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Posted 2018-06-27 8:12 AM (#707349 - in reply to #706448)
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I am with you Red. And I would add, does it matter who is the # 1 C this coming season? Clearly we are focused on the future. The hope is a trio of Chytil, Andersson and Hayes or Ziban would be a darn good group of C's 1 or 2 years from now (add Howden in to that mix as well). Not sure it is about this coming season, at least the moves we have seen from the trade DL on have indicated that.


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One of Zib/Hayes needs to be traded. Additionally they will probably be looking at trading one of Namestnikov and Spooner.

Personally I would trade Zbad instead of Hayes, even though he's the more skilled player. Zbad has some concussion history already, and he doesn't score nearly as well at 5v5 than Hayes. Also last couple of years, Hayes was deployed in a more two way role which suppressed his numbers, and he still put up great 5v5 numbers.

I don't know what the plan is for Names/Spooner but I think one of them needs to go to make some room. They're both young and talented so we should get some interest. I had hoped that these guys could have been moved before the draft but that didn't happen. They do need to be moved soon though, before other teams get their rosters set.

Hayes can be a 1C. Is he going to be an elite 1C? No, but news flash - we're not an elite team next year. Let Hayes draw those matchups, he's defensively competent enough to let his wingers work. Focus on development for this year, I'd call this year a success if, after the season, we've identified a handful of young players who will be the start of the new core. If we just dork around all year and win a couple games and lose a bunch and no one really steps up, then the rebuild is in trouble.

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I hope they bring back Grabner and pass on Nash and Holden. As for the rest of the UFA group, meh.

What trades are forthcoming?

They are going after Trouba





I hope no Grabner, he is so far from the type of player to fit Quinn's prototype. Quinn says he wants a team that's hard to play against, enough on Grabner. He will need to land with chewy's next destination to have any success. his stay in New Jersey, Toronto and the Island is a lot more indicative of the type of player he is.


According to the article, Rangers are looking for character players to mentor younger players. Gorton specifically mentioned Nash, Grabner and Holden. Of the three, I'd take Grabner.
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I don't want Holden mentoring anyone.

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I hope they bring back Grabner and pass on Nash and Holden. As for the rest of the UFA group, meh.

What trades are forthcoming?

They are going after Trouba





I hope no Grabner, he is so far from the type of player to fit Quinn's prototype. Quinn says he wants a team that's hard to play against, enough on Grabner. He will need to land with chewy's next destination to have any success. his stay in New Jersey, Toronto and the Island is a lot more indicative of the type of player he is.


According to the article, Rangers are looking for character players to mentor younger players. Gorton specifically mentioned Nash, Grabner and Holden. Of the three, I'd take Grabner.


If it's strictly about mentoring, Nash would be best. Personally I'd move on from all 3.
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If it's strictly about mentoring, Nash would be best. Personally I'd move on from all 3.


I don't know if any of those 3 would want to be a mentor with little shot to win anything. I see Nash signing with a team that has a legit chance of winning. He's won nothing thus far and may want an actual shot at the cup.

Grabner I can see wanting to go to the team that gives him the best offer financially. I bet he knows who he is and what he can/will do, 3rd/4th liner for an uptempo team.

Holden, same thing, but with guaranteed playing time for the best $$$.
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Does MSL go in as a Ranger ?....


No, Tampa.
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Does MSL go in as a Ranger ?....


No, Tampa.

I wonder...Yzerman cut MSL from Team Canada then traded him
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I don't want Holden mentoring anyone.


Thank you!
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Ville Meskanen put 3 pucks in the net in a scrimmage... one in the shootout. Gotta keep an eye on him and Lindqvist...

Brooks says we're interested in Grabner....

Most interesting is he reports Rangers could be in on Tavares.... not to take him, but agree to take on salary in order for a team to sign him. We eat part of his salary for a couple seasons, and they give us some draft picks or something.... or we take on a bad contract of theirs.

And in return, we get Tavares off The Island, and out of the division...

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According to the article, Rangers are looking for character players to mentor younger players. Gorton specifically mentioned Nash, Grabner and Holden. Of the three, I'd take Grabner.


So, let me get this straight: they want a team that plays tough and is tough to play against? So WHY would they want Nash "mentoring" them to play like cream puffs?
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According to the article, Rangers are looking for character players to mentor younger players. Gorton specifically mentioned Nash, Grabner and Holden. Of the three, I'd take Grabner.


So, let me get this straight: they want a team that plays tough and is tough to play against? So WHY would they want Nash "mentoring" them to play like cream puffs?

Nash is not a soft player..
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According to the article, Rangers are looking for character players to mentor younger players. Gorton specifically mentioned Nash, Grabner and Holden. Of the three, I'd take Grabner.


So, let me get this straight: they want a team that plays tough and is tough to play against? So WHY would they want Nash "mentoring" them to play like cream puffs?

Nash is not a soft player..
You must be speaking of Riley Nash.
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https://nypost.com/2018/06/27/sniping-rangers-prospect-steals-the-sh...


Ville Meskanen put 3 pucks in the net in a scrimmage... one in the shootout. Gotta keep an eye on him and Lindqvist...

Brooks says we're interested in Grabner....

Most interesting is he reports Rangers could be in on Tavares.... not to take him, but agree to take on salary in order for a team to sign him. We eat part of his salary for a couple seasons, and they give us some draft picks or something.... or we take on a bad contract of theirs.

And in return, we get Tavares off The Island, and out of the division...


Whether it's part of the Tavares deal or not, the Rangers have two INCREDIBLY valuable assets in their back pocket - time and cap space. They should absolutely be looking at taking a bad contract off someone's hands, in return for a real asset. (They already started exploring this by taking Belesky)

Just make sure it expires before we expect to get competitive.

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Played hard, wasn't the toughest but far from the softest player


You will have an easier time convincing Steady Eddie that Staal is a good defenseman, than you will convincing Mj that Nash is worth anything to anyone.
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Played hard, wasn't the toughest but far from the softest player
Playing hard and playing tough are not the same.
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ej17 - 2018-06-28 8:07 AM

Played hard, wasn't the toughest but far from the softest player


You will have an easier time convincing Steady Eddie that Staal is a good defenseman, than you will convincing Mj that Nash is worth anything to anyone.


I think Eddie is starting to come around.
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Whether it's part of the Tavares deal or not, the Rangers have two INCREDIBLY valuable assets in their back pocket - time and cap space. They should absolutely be looking at taking a bad contract off someone's hands, in return for a real asset. (They already started exploring this by taking Belesky)

Just make sure it expires before we expect to get competitive.

I don't see the logic in this....but stranger things have happened in the NHL.
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Taking Bobby Ryan in order to get Marc Stone....Take Lucic and RNH ...many scenarios out there
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MJ we just traded Heatl for Nash....I dont like it
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concust - 2018-06-28 9:07 AM

Whether it's part of the Tavares deal or not, the Rangers have two INCREDIBLY valuable assets in their back pocket - time and cap space. They should absolutely be looking at taking a bad contract off someone's hands, in return for a real asset. (They already started exploring this by taking Belesky)

Just make sure it expires before we expect to get competitive.

I don't see the logic in this....but stranger things have happened in the NHL.


If you're a contender, every little bit of cap space helps. And if you're a contender, you have one or two guys who isn't producing to the level of their cap hit.

So let's say, TB wants to sign Tavares and reunite him with Stamkos, and there's mutual interest. TB can't fit him under their cap, so they need to shed the Callahan contract.

NYR steps in and says we'll take the Callahan contract, but in return, we get a draft pick or a prospect or whatever. Rangers take on the last two years of Callahan's contract and get a prospect or draft pick, TB clears off enough cap space to sign Tavares.

Similar deals happen all the time... one of the things that facilitated the Nash trade was us taking on the Belesky contract in return.

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Do they put the C back on Cally if he returns????
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Do they put the C back on Cally if he returns????

Immediately!
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Rangers are supposedly in on Leo the lip from Toronto, the news just gets better and better. 31 years old and multiple years. Swell.
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10:48AM: Leo Komarov is reportedly in talks with the Rangers on a potential multi-year deal. (The Fourth Period)

Go Knights !
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Nash says he may take @ least 1 year off due to health issues.
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Nash says he may take @ least 1 year off due to health issues.
He missed almost a month with another concussion - I would think more than twice about returning....it's not like he needs the money....
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Rangers reportedly interested in Ryan Reaves, bit of a step up from Komarov.
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Rangers reportedly interested in Ryan Reaves, bit of a step up from Komarov.

I dont like him either but he is tough...no on Komarov
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No prob with him...depth or makes a comeback
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Beleskey is intriguing and could be a good fit on the fourth line. If Smith makes good on coming back as a effective and useful third pair guy, then that’s a start to stiffening the Rangers up. IMO one one more gritty guy to make sure nobody is running kids and that’s a good start. Then let the young guys learn to out battle the other guy instead of trying bullsit smoke and mirrors. Teams that compete the hardest usually win.

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Rranger - 2018-06-28 6:54 PM

Rangers reportedly interested in Ryan Reaves, bit of a step up from Komarov.


Knights = "sand paper" ........ Go Knights !
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I also heard Duclair


Duclair = Brendl ....Big Bust !
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I also heard Duclair


Duclair = Brendl ....Big Bust !


Duclair was a 3rd round pick, they are always a crapshoot.... Brendl was the 4th overall pick.. No comparison at all!
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robstones - 2018-06-28 8:27 PM

I also heard Duclair


Duclair = Brendl ....Big Bust !


Duclair was a 3rd round pick, they are always a crapshoot.... Brendl was the 4th overall pick.. No comparison at all!


The comparison that can be made is that they are both big busts!

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Brandl was that 99 draft, right? It was rated the worst draft ever. Brandl was rated top 5 by all scouts. Also, rumors were he started drinking too much. Duke as I remember had a knock on him that he will never put it together, doesn't work hard to be an NHLer.
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Mjolnir - 2018-06-28 8:38 AM

concust - 2018-06-28 9:07 AM

Whether it's part of the Tavares deal or not, the Rangers have two INCREDIBLY valuable assets in their back pocket - time and cap space. They should absolutely be looking at taking a bad contract off someone's hands, in return for a real asset. (They already started exploring this by taking Belesky)

Just make sure it expires before we expect to get competitive.

I don't see the logic in this....but stranger things have happened in the NHL.


If you're a contender, every little bit of cap space helps. And if you're a contender, you have one or two guys who isn't producing to the level of their cap hit.

So let's say, TB wants to sign Tavares and reunite him with Stamkos, and there's mutual interest. TB can't fit him under their cap, so they need to shed the Callahan contract.

NYR steps in and says we'll take the Callahan contract, but in return, we get a draft pick or a prospect or whatever. Rangers take on the last two years of Callahan's contract and get a prospect or draft pick, TB clears off enough cap space to sign Tavares.

Similar deals happen all the time... one of the things that facilitated the Nash trade was us taking on the Belesky contract in return.



With regards to TB and picking up a contract (or 2) if they sign Tavares, a couple of contracts they may be looking to move are Tyler Johnson and Alex Killorn. Think I'd much rather have Killorn than Callahan, even if his contract has 5 years left at 4.45 per AAV. Plays hard, can PK and is also a pain in the butt every time the Rangers play them. still just 28yo so could be part of the rebuild at a controlled amount.

Johnson - think I'd stay away. His contract is a year longer at 5.0 per AAV and while a year younger, his numbers are trending downward already. Also, while Killorn is 6'1, 200lbs, Johnson is 5'8, 180ish.

Not sure they'd send a draft pick along too, but Killorn could also be that character guy/mentor they're looking for as well.

JMHO
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Mikey Red - 2018-06-29 10:09 AM

Killorn has a NTC....Hell No on Johnson...too small...If we are going to help TB get Tavares...then the pot has to be sweet


Conversation is probably moot. Just saw this: "It’s out there that his favored destinations are the Islanders, Leafs, and Sharks." Personally, there isn't anyone on TB that would interest me enough to take on a weighty contract.

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Mikey Red - 2018-06-29 10:09 AM

Killorn has a NTC....Hell No on Johnson...too small...If we are going to help TB get Tavares...then the pot has to be sweet


Conversation is probably moot. Just saw this: "It’s out there that his favored destinations are the Islanders, Leafs, and Sharks." Personally, there isn't anyone on TB that would interest me enough to take on a weighty contract.

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Killorn has a NTC....Hell No on Johnson...too small...If we are going to help TB get Tavares...then the pot has to be sweet


He may have a NTC, but I'm not making this stuff up

https://www.nhl.com/news/john-tavares-signing-would-force-tampa-bay-...
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I would love Tavares to go there and win the SC next year....but if we get only Johnson back then Gorton is a bad GM and we are screwed
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Killorn has a NTC....Hell No on Johnson...too small...If we are going to help TB get Tavares...then the pot has to be sweet


Conversation is probably moot. Just saw this: "It’s out there that his favored destinations are the Islanders, Leafs, and Sharks." Personally, there isn't anyone on TB that would interest me enough to take on a weighty contract.


And I did watch interview with front office guy from San Jose on NHL Network last night and he sounded pretty confident that Tavares could be landing there. So yeah - Lightning may be out of the running.

My point in earlier post with regard to TB was only in response to the example of picking up Callahan's contract - would rather pick up Killorn if a) Tavares goes to TB and b) The Rangers decide to 'help out' a team keeping Tavares away from the Isles.
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With regards to TB and picking up a contract (or 2) if they sign Tavares, a couple of contracts they may be looking to move are Tyler Johnson and Alex Killorn. Think I'd much rather have Killorn than Callahan, even if his contract has 5 years left at 4.45 per AAV. Plays hard, can PK and is also a pain in the butt every time the Rangers play them. still just 28yo so could be part of the rebuild at a controlled amount.

Johnson - think I'd stay away. His contract is a year longer at 5.0 per AAV and while a year younger, his numbers are trending downward already. Also, while Killorn is 6'1, 200lbs, Johnson is 5'8, 180ish.

Not sure they'd send a draft pick along too, but Killorn could also be that character guy/mentor they're looking for as well.

JMHO


The whole point is to take on TB's worst contract, the least efficient one when you look at on-ice performance vs cap hit, which at this point is almost definitely Callahan's. That's how you get the most value in return from them. I don't have a problem with either Killorn or Johnson but they're not significantly overpaid so TB would not be motivated to make those moves. Or, we'd get less (which misses the whole point of taking on a bad contract)
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Mikey Red - 2018-06-29 10:09 AM

Killorn has a NTC....Hell No on Johnson...too small...If we are going to help TB get Tavares...then the pot has to be sweet


Conversation is probably moot. Just saw this: "It’s out there that his favored destinations are the Islanders, Leafs, and Sharks." Personally, there isn't anyone on TB that would interest me enough to take on a weighty contract.


And I did watch interview with front office guy from San Jose on NHL Network last night and he sounded pretty confident that Tavares could be landing there. So yeah - Lightning may be out of the running.

My point in earlier post with regard to TB was only in response to the example of picking up Callahan's contract - would rather pick up Killorn if a) Tavares goes to TB and b) The Rangers decide to 'help out' a team keeping Tavares away from the Isles.

Hope he stays with the Asslanders, let them tie up a bunch of years and money on 1 player...All for that
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sureshore - 2018-06-29 8:45 AM

With regards to TB and picking up a contract (or 2) if they sign Tavares, a couple of contracts they may be looking to move are Tyler Johnson and Alex Killorn. Think I'd much rather have Killorn than Callahan, even if his contract has 5 years left at 4.45 per AAV. Plays hard, can PK and is also a pain in the butt every time the Rangers play them. still just 28yo so could be part of the rebuild at a controlled amount.

Johnson - think I'd stay away. His contract is a year longer at 5.0 per AAV and while a year younger, his numbers are trending downward already. Also, while Killorn is 6'1, 200lbs, Johnson is 5'8, 180ish.

Not sure they'd send a draft pick along too, but Killorn could also be that character guy/mentor they're looking for as well.

JMHO


The whole point is to take on TB's worst contract, the least efficient one when you look at on-ice performance vs cap hit, which at this point is almost definitely Callahan's. That's how you get the most value in return from them. I don't have a problem with either Killorn or Johnson but they're not significantly overpaid so TB would not be motivated to make those moves. Or, we'd get less (which misses the whole point of taking on a bad contract)
The bad contract isn't really the question -- you can dump that player in the minors and forget about it. the real concern is what you get in return for taking the contract.
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sureshore - 2018-06-29 8:45 AM

With regards to TB and picking up a contract (or 2) if they sign Tavares, a couple of contracts they may be looking to move are Tyler Johnson and Alex Killorn. Think I'd much rather have Killorn than Callahan, even if his contract has 5 years left at 4.45 per AAV. Plays hard, can PK and is also a pain in the butt every time the Rangers play them. still just 28yo so could be part of the rebuild at a controlled amount.

Johnson - think I'd stay away. His contract is a year longer at 5.0 per AAV and while a year younger, his numbers are trending downward already. Also, while Killorn is 6'1, 200lbs, Johnson is 5'8, 180ish.

Not sure they'd send a draft pick along too, but Killorn could also be that character guy/mentor they're looking for as well.

JMHO


The whole point is to take on TB's worst contract, the least efficient one when you look at on-ice performance vs cap hit, which at this point is almost definitely Callahan's. That's how you get the most value in return from them. I don't have a problem with either Killorn or Johnson but they're not significantly overpaid so TB would not be motivated to make those moves. Or, we'd get less (which misses the whole point of taking on a bad contract)
The bad contract isn't really the question -- you can dump that player in the minors and forget about it. the real concern is what you get in return for taking the contract.



Right... and the worse of a contract you take (Callahan) the better the return should be, versus taking on Killorn's contract.
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It's been reported that JT has said something like, he doesn't feel loyalty to the new team management (Lou, Trotz) like he felt loyalty to the old team that he made promises to (Snow, Weight)

Islander fans are incensed that JT would have any loyalty to Snow. They're ready to run him out of town.

IMO he's laying the groundwork for leaving and they're playing right into his hands.
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Rangers have not been directly told as much, but aware that Ryan Reaves is no longer a free agent option. Time for Plan B/C/D.

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I really think we're getting JVR. Not just because I want him here. Not just because he grew up a Rangers fan.... like a die hard Rangers fan, my buddy use to play with him when we were teenagers..... But because he makes sense for what we're trying to do. His play style fits Quinn to a T, from what I've read about it....

He's young enough that if he wants to win a Cup here, he can work towards that during the length of his contract.... the rebuild should scare him.

He's old enough to be considered a mentor/vet.... so to top off the dream of being a NYR, he may even get a letter on his sweater....

And we have the cap space to pay him what he wants/deserves on the open market.

JVR has character.... right? I think so...
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I’m not sure I get where getting rid of Zuccarello and then adding JVR makes much sense. Zucc is 2 years older but he produces points at a slightly better clip, and IMO is captain material. He’s been a good Ranger who shows up every night and I don’t see much advantage to JVR basically replacing him. I wouldn’t be at all suprised Zuccarello plays some of his best Ranger hockey under Quinn, as long as Quinn realizes Zuccarello’s game still has upside undeveloped by the previous resident goof.
Assuming a contract isn’t a issue I’d take Zuccarello over JVR, because of his leadership and character and the respect he commands. I think he looks around the room in training camp and he will step up in a big way and lead, and as I said earlier will have his best year as a Ranger.
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Not the end of the world. Trade for Lucic and Jesse Puljujarvi, for Brendan Smith and a fifth. Edmonton would kill to get rid of that deal, Lucic just needs out of there and find his game in a hard to play against team mode the Rangers are pursuing. Plus he will mash any and all transgressors. You can always figure out a way to dump him in three years if you need to. Puljujarvi has been a borderline bust and could also use a new address. Chiarelli has proven he’s not exactly the sharpest tack in the box so you never know what you might get out of him.
Lucic is far from done he just needs a new start. He’s got three or four decent years left and can actually play a little.
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Not the end of the world. Trade for Lucic and Jesse Puljujarvi, for Brendan Smith and a fifth. Edmonton would kill to get rid of that deal, Lucic just needs out of there and find his game in a hard to play against team mode the Rangers are pursuing. Plus he will mash any and all transgressors. You can always figure out a way to dump him in three years if you need to. Puljujarvi has been a borderline bust and could also use a new address. Chiarelli has proven he’s not exactly the sharpest tack in the box so you never know what you might get out of him.
Lucic is far from done he just needs a new start. He’s got three or four decent years left and can actually play a little.

Yep I agree...Id even try for RNH too
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I gotta admit...Zuc passes just way way too much it drives me crazy




I agree he could shoot more, and if the Rangers brass agrees, that should be in the notes about players passed onto Quinn to use as he analyses game tapes seeing what he’s got. It’s a given Quinn has to educate himself about what he’s got by watching game tapes and you can bet management provides him with a book of info on their players. It’s how it’s done in lessor leagues. Quinn will soon know if he and management are on the same player assessment page after comparing his views on the game tapes to managements player reports.
I have a lot of hopes Quinn is actually going to work on players shortcomings, weaknesses, and bad habits instead of ignoring them and eventually getting rid of them because they couldn’t find their game on their own. Getting Zucc to shoot more isn’t rocket science if the player accepts the observation and coaches work with him to address it.
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If you look at cap friendly...it has 13 Forwards listed with us....Holland, McCleod, Carey are 3 of them....so that leaves 10 F's not including any of our kids
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Not the end of the world. Trade for Lucic and Jesse Puljujarvi, for Brendan Smith and a fifth. Edmonton would kill to get rid of that deal, Lucic just needs out of there and find his game in a hard to play against team mode the Rangers are pursuing. Plus he will mash any and all transgressors. You can always figure out a way to dump him in three years if you need to. Puljujarvi has been a borderline bust and could also use a new address. Chiarelli has proven he’s not exactly the sharpest tack in the box so you never know what you might get out of him.
Lucic is far from done he just needs a new start. He’s got three or four decent years left and can actually play a little.

Yep I agree...Id even try for RNH too




I don’t know about RNH at 6 mill per year your adding $12,000,000 between him and Lucic that’s a lot of cap. RNH adds to the center conundrum even though he has played some wing, but he cuts into Chytil in particulars presumed position by being the same type of player. I think you have a better chance with Puljujarvi’s potential over RNH who has probably almost topped out as a piece of a team with no expectation of him ever becoming a key piece. Puljujarvi oozes talent watch him play, there must be a thing between him and coach and it happens, he’s definitely worth a shot if the Rangers could ever pry him out of there.
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I guess if I was able to pull off RNH...I would look to move Zib or Hayes for a stud D....but A big kid at 20 would be nice too
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I guess if I was able to pull off RNH...I would look to move Zib or Hayes for a stud D....but A big kid at 20 would be nice too




I hear you but I’m not sure RNH is a big improvement over Hayes maybe Zib, I think it’s a stretch to get him and Lucic without giving up something more significant than Smith. Losing Sniths cap is a win in itself and substantially cuts down the Lucic hit. The Rangers would be in better shape with Lucic’s Cap hit especially if the loss of Smith’s cap reduces the Lucic’s hit. And a guy like Puljujarvi just might take off. If Edmonton wants to move Lucic and really feels the need it might be one of the better opportunities for Gorton to get something good back and Lucic is not done either. Plus the Rangers need a guy like that can ride shotgun and play a little.

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With regards to TB and picking up a contract (or 2) if they sign Tavares, a couple of contracts they may be looking to move are Tyler Johnson and Alex Killorn. Think I'd much rather have Killorn than Callahan, even if his contract has 5 years left at 4.45 per AAV. Plays hard, can PK and is also a pain in the butt every time the Rangers play them. still just 28yo so could be part of the rebuild at a controlled amount.

Johnson - think I'd stay away. His contract is a year longer at 5.0 per AAV and while a year younger, his numbers are trending downward already. Also, while Killorn is 6'1, 200lbs, Johnson is 5'8, 180ish.

Not sure they'd send a draft pick along too, but Killorn could also be that character guy/mentor they're looking for as well.

JMHO


The whole point is to take on TB's worst contract, the least efficient one when you look at on-ice performance vs cap hit, which at this point is almost definitely Callahan's. That's how you get the most value in return from them. I don't have a problem with either Killorn or Johnson but they're not significantly overpaid so TB would not be motivated to make those moves. Or, we'd get less (which misses the whole point of taking on a bad contract)
The bad contract isn't really the question -- you can dump that player in the minors and forget about it. the real concern is what you get in return for taking the contract.

You can only bury 900 K or so of a contract in the minors. Anything above that stays on the NHL cap. So a player with a 4.9 mill cap hit still counts for 4 mill against the NHL cap even in the minors. Plus if the player has a NMC you cannot send them down without their okay.

So in today's NHL burying them in the minors does not work.


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I wouldn't mind it, but nothing I have seen tells me we are going to sign a UFA to the kind of deal it will take to get JVR. For that reason alone I'd be pretty surprised if we added him. If we did though I would think about keeping Zucc to start the season and see where that goes. The issue is we need D badly to have any sort of decent team this upcoming season.

Logic still says that Name or Spoon gets dealt. And Hayes or Zib gets dealt.


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BTW...I think the Doughty contract is insane. Nearly an 11 mill cap hit until he is 37. That is so crazy. I also think if Doughty really wanted to win maybe he'd take a little less, like 9 mill per +/-.



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With regards to TB and picking up a contract (or 2) if they sign Tavares, a couple of contracts they may be looking to move are Tyler Johnson and Alex Killorn. Think I'd much rather have Killorn than Callahan, even if his contract has 5 years left at 4.45 per AAV. Plays hard, can PK and is also a pain in the butt every time the Rangers play them. still just 28yo so could be part of the rebuild at a controlled amount.

Johnson - think I'd stay away. His contract is a year longer at 5.0 per AAV and while a year younger, his numbers are trending downward already. Also, while Killorn is 6'1, 200lbs, Johnson is 5'8, 180ish.

Not sure they'd send a draft pick along too, but Killorn could also be that character guy/mentor they're looking for as well.

JMHO


The whole point is to take on TB's worst contract, the least efficient one when you look at on-ice performance vs cap hit, which at this point is almost definitely Callahan's. That's how you get the most value in return from them. I don't have a problem with either Killorn or Johnson but they're not significantly overpaid so TB would not be motivated to make those moves. Or, we'd get less (which misses the whole point of taking on a bad contract)
The bad contract isn't really the question -- you can dump that player in the minors and forget about it. the real concern is what you get in return for taking the contract.

You can only bury 900 K or so of a contract in the minors. Anything above that stays on the NHL cap. So a player with a 4.9 mill cap hit still counts for 4 mill against the NHL cap even in the minors. Plus if the player has a NMC you cannot send them down without their okay.

So in today's NHL burying them in the minors does not work.


I know how much you can bury in the minors....taking on a bad contract does not mean you have to give that player a roster spot.
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BTW...I think the Doughty contract is insane. Nearly an 11 mill cap hit until he is 37. That is so crazy. I also think if Doughty really wanted to win maybe he'd take a little less, like 9 mill per +/-.




That contract is pure stupidity....That is the reason you had to trade MacDonagh....That is why the Isles should of traded Tavares...Even if he stays with the Isles its gonna be a terrible contract later on
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BTW...I think the Doughty contract is insane. Nearly an 11 mill cap hit until he is 37. That is so crazy. I also think if Doughty really wanted to win maybe he'd take a little less, like 9 mill per +/-.







Your very noble leaving 16 million of Doughty's money on the table to win. I bet you would you would love to give up 20 % of your income so your employer could hire better people.
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With regards to TB and picking up a contract (or 2) if they sign Tavares, a couple of contracts they may be looking to move are Tyler Johnson and Alex Killorn. Think I'd much rather have Killorn than Callahan, even if his contract has 5 years left at 4.45 per AAV. Plays hard, can PK and is also a pain in the butt every time the Rangers play them. still just 28yo so could be part of the rebuild at a controlled amount.

Johnson - think I'd stay away. His contract is a year longer at 5.0 per AAV and while a year younger, his numbers are trending downward already. Also, while Killorn is 6'1, 200lbs, Johnson is 5'8, 180ish.

Not sure they'd send a draft pick along too, but Killorn could also be that character guy/mentor they're looking for as well.

JMHO


The whole point is to take on TB's worst contract, the least efficient one when you look at on-ice performance vs cap hit, which at this point is almost definitely Callahan's. That's how you get the most value in return from them. I don't have a problem with either Killorn or Johnson but they're not significantly overpaid so TB would not be motivated to make those moves. Or, we'd get less (which misses the whole point of taking on a bad contract)
The bad contract isn't really the question -- you can dump that player in the minors and forget about it. the real concern is what you get in return for taking the contract.

You can only bury 900 K or so of a contract in the minors. Anything above that stays on the NHL cap. So a player with a 4.9 mill cap hit still counts for 4 mill against the NHL cap even in the minors. Plus if the player has a NMC you cannot send them down without their okay.

So in today's NHL burying them in the minors does not work.


I know how much you can bury in the minors....taking on a bad contract does not mean you have to give that player a roster spot.

I hear you. Just because we take on a bad contract doesn't mean we have to take a roster spot from a kid. We can put a player in the minors or scratch them. Don't disagree. More likely though is if we take on a bad deal and get a good asset, we'll probably just play that guy in a 3rd line role. Say a Lucic or Ryan or Cally or someone like that.

I would not be opposed to taking on one bad deal (of 1 or 2 years max) if we get a good future asset as well. I think it is smart given our cap space, and the fact that we aren't going to be very good this coming year anyway.

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BTW...I think the Doughty contract is insane. Nearly an 11 mill cap hit until he is 37. That is so crazy. I also think if Doughty really wanted to win maybe he'd take a little less, like 9 mill per +/-.







Your very noble leaving 16 million of Doughty's money on the table to win. I bet you would you would love to give up 20 % of your income so your employer could hire better people.

Actually yeah I think I would. 88 mill or 68 mill, when I just came off of a 60 mill deal, I think you are good. In a capped sports league, not corporate America, I think I would. Plus I guarantee he gets very good endorsement money. We see it is sports more and more. Look at the Warriors, or the Heat with LeBron, or Brady.

So yeah I think I'd make a killing but do it within reason so my team could add another player or two.

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BTW...I think the Doughty contract is insane. Nearly an 11 mill cap hit until he is 37. That is so crazy. I also think if Doughty really wanted to win maybe he'd take a little less, like 9 mill per +/-.







Your very noble leaving 16 million of Doughty's money on the table to win. I bet you would you would love to give up 20 % of your income so your employer could hire better people.

Actually yeah I think I would. 88 mill or 68 mill, when I just came off of a 60 mill deal, I think you are good. In a capped sports league, not corporate America, I think I would. Plus I guarantee he gets very good endorsement money. We see it is sports more and more. Look at the Warriors, or the Heat with LeBron, or Brady.

So yeah I think I'd make a killing but do it within reason so my team could add another player or two.




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On Tavares, I think he is nuts if he takes a chance and signs just a one-year deal. That is so risky. Also not sure what he accomplishes by doing that. Seeing how he likes Toronto and then being free again next summer accomplishes what exactly? Maybe Toronto is pushing it so they can afford Matthews and Marner when they need new deals. Okay I get that, but why would Tavares do that? Does he want to be in Toronto so badly that he'd take a huge risk like that? And does that mean he'd be a one-year hired gun for them and then he'd sign somewhere else next summer? Very odd to me why Tavares would even think about entertaining that. I doubt he would do it.

I still think the Isles have inside track, but I think we'll hear today for sure. And if not the Isles I say Toronto, unless they won't sign him long term due to Matthews and Marner. Things will start coming out today I think.



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BTW...I think the Doughty contract is insane. Nearly an 11 mill cap hit until he is 37. That is so crazy. I also think if Doughty really wanted to win maybe he'd take a little less, like 9 mill per +/-.







Your very noble leaving 16 million of Doughty's money on the table to win. I bet you would you would love to give up 20 % of your income so your employer could hire better people.

Actually yeah I think I would. 88 mill or 68 mill, when I just came off of a 60 mill deal, I think you are good. In a capped sports league, not corporate America, I think I would. Plus I guarantee he gets very good endorsement money. We see it is sports more and more. Look at the Warriors, or the Heat with LeBron, or Brady.

So yeah I think I'd make a killing but do it within reason so my team could add another player or two.




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Agreed.


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Posted 2018-06-30 7:34 AM (#707479 - in reply to #706448)
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With regards to TB and picking up a contract (or 2) if they sign Tavares, a couple of contracts they may be looking to move are Tyler Johnson and Alex Killorn. Think I'd much rather have Killorn than Callahan, even if his contract has 5 years left at 4.45 per AAV. Plays hard, can PK and is also a pain in the butt every time the Rangers play them. still just 28yo so could be part of the rebuild at a controlled amount.

Johnson - think I'd stay away. His contract is a year longer at 5.0 per AAV and while a year younger, his numbers are trending downward already. Also, while Killorn is 6'1, 200lbs, Johnson is 5'8, 180ish.

Not sure they'd send a draft pick along too, but Killorn could also be that character guy/mentor they're looking for as well.

JMHO


The whole point is to take on TB's worst contract, the least efficient one when you look at on-ice performance vs cap hit, which at this point is almost definitely Callahan's. That's how you get the most value in return from them. I don't have a problem with either Killorn or Johnson but they're not significantly overpaid so TB would not be motivated to make those moves. Or, we'd get less (which misses the whole point of taking on a bad contract)
The bad contract isn't really the question -- you can dump that player in the minors and forget about it. the real concern is what you get in return for taking the contract.

You can only bury 900 K or so of a contract in the minors. Anything above that stays on the NHL cap. So a player with a 4.9 mill cap hit still counts for 4 mill against the NHL cap even in the minors. Plus if the player has a NMC you cannot send them down without their okay.

So in today's NHL burying them in the minors does not work.


I know how much you can bury in the minors....taking on a bad contract does not mean you have to give that player a roster spot.

I hear you. Just because we take on a bad contract doesn't mean we have to take a roster spot from a kid. We can put a player in the minors or scratch them. Don't disagree. More likely though is if we take on a bad deal and get a good asset, we'll probably just play that guy in a 3rd line role. Say a Lucic or Ryan or Cally or someone like that.

I would not be opposed to taking on one bad deal (of 1 or 2 years max) if we get a good future asset as well. I think it is smart given our cap space, and the fact that we aren't going to be very good this coming year anyway.

I doubt they'll take on a bad contract just to put them on the third line. That's just plain stupid. That player is more likely than not close to worthless above the 4th line - and you can find a serviceable and useful 4th liner for $900,000.
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BTW...I think the Doughty contract is insane. Nearly an 11 mill cap hit until he is 37. That is so crazy. I also think if Doughty really wanted to win maybe he'd take a little less, like 9 mill per +/-.




That contract is pure stupidity....That is the reason you had to trade MacDonagh....That is why the Isles should of traded Tavares...Even if he stays with the Isles its gonna be a terrible contract later on

Going to be very difficult to build a team long term with Doughty at 11 mill per and Kopitar at 10 mill per. Kovy at 6.25 mill per for 3-years. A lot of money there (Doughty doesn't go up to 11 until next season). I am not a fan of what the Kings are doing. And when Doughty is 33 or 34 the last 3 years of that deal will be god awful.

In the NHL I think the new way to operate is not sign these insane UFA/UFA to be huge deals unless it is McDavid or Crosby or OV. Just absolute studs, but even then I try to stay under 10 mill cap hit wise. Crosby and OV and Malkin are under 10 mill cap hits. I think when you start getting over 10 mill cap hit wise for one player you are really flirting with disaster. The Oilers were in a terrible spot as they absolutely had to resign McDavid for his crazy cap hit (12.5 mill). Look at the Hawks with Toews and Kane, 10.5 each. I think the Kings with Kopitar at 10 and Doughty at 11 after this season are in trouble. One player at 10 or more is tough. Having multiple players at 10 or more on one team is almost crazy.


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With regards to TB and picking up a contract (or 2) if they sign Tavares, a couple of contracts they may be looking to move are Tyler Johnson and Alex Killorn. Think I'd much rather have Killorn than Callahan, even if his contract has 5 years left at 4.45 per AAV. Plays hard, can PK and is also a pain in the butt every time the Rangers play them. still just 28yo so could be part of the rebuild at a controlled amount.

Johnson - think I'd stay away. His contract is a year longer at 5.0 per AAV and while a year younger, his numbers are trending downward already. Also, while Killorn is 6'1, 200lbs, Johnson is 5'8, 180ish.

Not sure they'd send a draft pick along too, but Killorn could also be that character guy/mentor they're looking for as well.

JMHO


The whole point is to take on TB's worst contract, the least efficient one when you look at on-ice performance vs cap hit, which at this point is almost definitely Callahan's. That's how you get the most value in return from them. I don't have a problem with either Killorn or Johnson but they're not significantly overpaid so TB would not be motivated to make those moves. Or, we'd get less (which misses the whole point of taking on a bad contract)
The bad contract isn't really the question -- you can dump that player in the minors and forget about it. the real concern is what you get in return for taking the contract.

You can only bury 900 K or so of a contract in the minors. Anything above that stays on the NHL cap. So a player with a 4.9 mill cap hit still counts for 4 mill against the NHL cap even in the minors. Plus if the player has a NMC you cannot send them down without their okay.

So in today's NHL burying them in the minors does not work.


I know how much you can bury in the minors....taking on a bad contract does not mean you have to give that player a roster spot.

I hear you. Just because we take on a bad contract doesn't mean we have to take a roster spot from a kid. We can put a player in the minors or scratch them. Don't disagree. More likely though is if we take on a bad deal and get a good asset, we'll probably just play that guy in a 3rd line role. Say a Lucic or Ryan or Cally or someone like that.

I would not be opposed to taking on one bad deal (of 1 or 2 years max) if we get a good future asset as well. I think it is smart given our cap space, and the fact that we aren't going to be very good this coming year anyway.

I doubt they'll take on a bad contract just to put them on the third line. That's just plain stupid. That player is more likely than not close to worthless above the 4th line - and you can find a serviceable and useful 4th liner for $900,000.

I disagree. If you have a ton of cap space, you aren't winning anything anyway, and you get a good asset to do it, for a year or two I have zero issue with that. And 3rd line/4th line all the same. Bottom 6 role for a guy like that. I can see us doing it and I can see us not doing it. Really depends on what asset we'd get to make it worthwhile.


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Giving a monster contract to a guy who is closing in on 30 whos been in the league 8 or 9 years already is not good cap management...If you have a jewel of a young player....you lock him up for long term then
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Posted 2018-06-30 7:55 AM (#707485 - in reply to #706448)
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Agreed Red. Man I hate this NHL over restrictive hard cap. Hurts the league I believe and tears teams apart. I am all for caps in sports leagues, but this one is way too restrictive and prohibitive.







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I disagree. If you have a ton of cap space, you aren't winning anything anyway, and you get a good asset to do it, for a year or two I have zero issue with that. And 3rd line/4th line all the same. Bottom 6 role for a guy like that. I can see us doing it and I can see us not doing it. Really depends on what asset we'd get to make it worthwhile.


Even if I'm not going anywhere, I don't waste a top 9 spot on a scrub.
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Posted 2018-06-30 8:13 AM (#707487 - in reply to #706448)
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For a good asset I absolutely would (for 1 or 2 years tops). If I didn't get that asset I agree I would not either.





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Posted 2018-06-30 8:15 AM (#707488 - in reply to #707486)
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I disagree. If you have a ton of cap space, you aren't winning anything anyway, and you get a good asset to do it, for a year or two I have zero issue with that. And 3rd line/4th line all the same. Bottom 6 role for a guy like that. I can see us doing it and I can see us not doing it. Really depends on what asset we'd get to make it worthwhile.


Even if I'm not going anywhere, I don't waste a top 9 spot on a scrub.

MJ Nash wants you to pick him up at the Amtrak station when he signs back with us lol
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Posted 2018-06-30 8:25 AM (#707489 - in reply to #706448)
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Posted 2018-06-30 8:26 AM (#707490 - in reply to #707487)
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For a good asset I absolutely would (for 1 or 2 years tops). If I didn't get that asset I agree I would not either.



The only reason to take the scrub and contract is to get a good asset. As I've stated, there is no need to put them in your lineup.
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Posted 2018-06-30 8:27 AM (#707491 - in reply to #707489)
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I'll gladly pick Riley up.

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Posted 2018-06-30 11:16 AM (#707495 - in reply to #707491)
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I'll gladly pick Riley up.

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If it's the other one, I'll "accidentally" lose him in Newark.
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Posted 2018-06-30 12:54 PM (#707497 - in reply to #706448)
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One theory I saw on Tavares is he signs a mega one year max dollar deal with Toronto now. Then come 1/1/19 he is eligible to sign an 8-year extension with the Leafs (he can only sign for 7-years with them currently). Now that makes sense to me and is an answer as to why he'd potentially only sign for one year right now. The risk is he'll have to play from Oct-Jan with no long term security, but come Jan 1 he can immediately sign for the full 8-years with the Leafs. So it would be a 2.5 month risk for Tavares to do that (my assumption is the Leafs would give him a wink and a nod that they'd extend him for 8-years on Jan 1).


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Posted 2018-06-30 2:49 PM (#707498 - in reply to #706448)
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1 year contract is risky no... can he be insured for anything after 1 year? Catastrophic injury could blow that shlt up no?
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Posted 2018-06-30 5:35 PM (#707500 - in reply to #706448)
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Insurance is available and very expensive when you are insuring 8 years times $12,000,000.
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Posted 2018-06-30 6:32 PM (#707501 - in reply to #706448)
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If he signs for one year only he will take out a large insurance policy for sure. And I will also add if he does sign for one year, and then come Jan 1st signs for 8 more with the Leafs, that will be the next "loop hole" Bettman will close during the next CBA discussions...you can count on that.

Sounds like Isles, Leafs or Sharks. And if we don't hear Isles tonight I think they are out because that would mean he could only resign with them for 7 years not 8, and why would he stay for lesser years/money. So the Isles deadline is tonight I believe.


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Posted 2018-06-30 8:32 PM (#707502 - in reply to #706448)
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Posted 2018-06-30 8:35 PM (#707503 - in reply to #706448)
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Posted 2018-06-30 9:04 PM (#707504 - in reply to #706448)
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Posted 2018-07-01 3:51 AM (#707505 - in reply to #706448)
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No surprise to me. We are simply not getting involved in anything big. We will stay the course this year and go bottom 6/toughness/depth dmen.

I can live with one offseason/season like this, especially if it nets us a top 3 pick, but we need to be back at it next summer/season.

I also expect some trades. Name or Spoon, maybe Hayes or Zib, and maybe Zucc (I guess the only reason they'd keep him is for leadership).



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Posted 2018-07-01 3:55 AM (#707506 - in reply to #706448)
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Just read it could be a 5 year deal with a 7 mill cap hit for JVR. I like him but that would not have been a smart move for us.



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Posted 2018-07-01 5:41 AM (#707507 - in reply to #706448)
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Posted 2018-07-01 6:37 AM (#707508 - in reply to #706448)
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Posted 2018-07-01 7:13 AM (#707509 - in reply to #706448)
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Expect basically nothing today unless its a trade..
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Posted 2018-07-01 7:15 AM (#707510 - in reply to #706448)
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Posted 2018-07-01 7:17 AM (#707511 - in reply to #706448)
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Sounds like Stasny is not re signing with Winnipeg....So that means they will need Hayes
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Posted 2018-07-01 7:17 AM (#707512 - in reply to #706448)
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Posted 2018-07-01 7:40 AM (#707513 - in reply to #706448)
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First "source" rumor from an insider McKenzie retweeted JVR to philly on a 5 year $7 million contract
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Posted 2018-07-01 7:41 AM (#707514 - in reply to #706448)
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On Karlsson chatter: As mentioned earlier this week and as of then, told there are 3 teams (VGK, NYR & ?) speaking to Sens about Karlsson/Ryan combo. Roughly 6-7 others on Karlsson, alone. Believe COL & TB have had talks on Karlsson.



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Posted 2018-07-01 7:45 AM (#707515 - in reply to #706448)
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I'll say this on Karlsson, the Rangers need an elite talent to really be an elite team. Now that does not need to be Karlsson, maybe one of the kids we have develops into that, and it certainly doesn't have to happen this summer if we are not going to be that good this coming season anyway, but we do need that guy if we really want to be that team.

If taking Ryan lowers the price, and we can get Karlsson without gutting everything, I wouldn't be opposed, but 99% we are not really in on anything with him anyway.

And sound like LV will be adding Stastny.



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Posted 2018-07-01 7:49 AM (#707517 - in reply to #706448)
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Namestnikov could be going to KHL
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Posted 2018-07-01 8:27 AM (#707519 - in reply to #706448)
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Posted 2018-07-01 8:31 AM (#707520 - in reply to #706448)
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No surprise there. Seems unlikely we'd get in on that.

As for Name, that is why people don't trust these Russians. Could be a ploy to raise his price, but who really knows. Also hurts Rangers ability to potentially deal him. Russians...



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Posted 2018-07-01 8:32 AM (#707521 - in reply to #706448)
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I want to see Hayes to Winnipeg for Trouba
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Posted 2018-07-01 8:36 AM (#707522 - in reply to #706448)
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Sounds like JVR is getting 7 mil per....yuck
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Posted 2018-07-01 8:36 AM (#707523 - in reply to #706448)
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Do we find out today if Kravtsov stays here? Or is there no timetable on that..... not sure how KHL contracts work
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Posted 2018-07-01 8:38 AM (#707524 - in reply to #707522)
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Sounds like JVR is getting 7 mil per....yuck


It's so weird how these numbers surface.... aren't these guys technically not allowed to negotiate until noon?
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Sounds like JVR is getting 7 mil per....yuck


It's so weird how these numbers surface.... aren't these guys technically not allowed to negotiate until noon?

Not sure...they may be able to make the deal but not sign
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If Names skips off to USSR I would never draft or trade for one again
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Posted 2018-07-01 8:42 AM (#707527 - in reply to #706448)
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Posted 2018-07-01 8:58 AM (#707528 - in reply to #706448)
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Yes, can discuss but not sign. That is a lot for JVR. Bottom line is to play with the big fish on July 1st you have to sign long (potentially questionable) big dollar deals. No different than making trades on trade DL day where you have to overpay and give up 1st round picks. That is another reason I think we don't do much today.

With this coming season being almost like a punt, we are not going to get into the deep end. And as I said I am 100% fine with that if it is a one season type deal to grow the kids, and then we are ready to start rolling again next summer.


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Posted 2018-07-01 8:59 AM (#707529 - in reply to #707526)
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If Names skips off to USSR I would never draft or trade for one again

No need to ever wonder why a Russian falls in a draft or gets rated lower, this is why. Cannot trust what they are going to do. I hope he doesn't go because it hurts us if he does. Either as a solid top 9 forward OR as trade bait.

I think we'll hear on Kravtsov this week.





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Yeah lets hope...I like Kravs attitude so far...There is no good reason for him to go back to KHL...buy the year out and go to Hartford or the big team
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Posted 2018-07-01 9:04 AM (#707531 - in reply to #706448)
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Posted 2018-07-01 9:10 AM (#707532 - in reply to #706448)
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Posted 2018-07-01 9:10 AM (#707533 - in reply to #706448)
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Russians aren't the only players who skip off to Russia.... The fact they speak Russian and get to go "home" makes the decision easier, but it's always about the money.

Nigel Dawes has been in the KHL for 5+ years now... Ben Scrivens.... James Wiesnewski.... a bunch of guys.

That said, if Namestnikov signs in the KHL, do The Rangers get compensated? He's a RFA, so they still own his rights
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Posted 2018-07-01 9:14 AM (#707535 - in reply to #706448)
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No, not exclusive, but heavily leaning Russians who go.

But sounds like it isn't happening, which is good. Keep him and deal Spooner (although I actually like Spooner better - which maybe means a little higher value). Then look to deal Hayes or Zib. And sign a bottom 6 forward with grit and a vet dman. Then we move forward with kids this year and see how it goes. Zucc is a trade DL deal if they don't want to resign him.


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Names skips and we got hosed. McDonough and Miller for two prospects (who might never be) and a 1st rounder (wasted). Thanks, AV for screwing up Miller AND Names.

Kovalchuk was sure to sign with us; he had a home in NJ. Signed with LA, as far from NJ as you can get. Then Ryan Reaves, big hitter we need. Resigned with VGK. Next, JVR was a Ranger fan and he was coming here. Signing with Flyers today.

Bottom line, we won't be getting any top players anytime soon. Same team (w/o Names?) that finished the season. Losers!

When does Hank ask to get out? After he faces >50 shots 3 games in a row? I'm reminded of Gump Worsley, when asked which team gave him the most trouble, he snapped back :"The Rangers."
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No compensation from khl for RFA. Most of the Russian players that go home weren’t much of a factor over here. It’s no different than fringe NA NHL’ers signing to play in Europe. You go where the wild green grows and opportunity exists.
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Posted 2018-07-01 9:19 AM (#707538 - in reply to #706448)
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Stastny getting 3 years 6.5 mil from LV....Winnipeg has a ton of RFA to signs and gotta pay Laine next year
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Posted 2018-07-01 9:20 AM (#707539 - in reply to #706448)
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This is actually not a bad deal at all for Vegas. Really good deal actually. Surprised he left the Peg for that. Maybe he wanted to be back in the US:

Once it becomes official after 12 noon ET when it can be papered/signed, VGK deal with Paul Stastny is three years with an AAV of $6.5M. Stastny, BTW, is already in Vegas in anticipation of the completed deal.



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No, not exclusive, but heavily leaning Russians who go.




Sure, but I don't buy in to the fear of "them" skipping town just because they're Russian.... it doesn't make a guy a risk on draft day, or in a trade. This is the hands down best league. If you're a hockey player, you want to be here. You want to play with the best. You want to win a Stanley Cup, and you want to get paid. In order of importance.
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Stastny getting 3 years 6.5 mil from LV....Winnipeg has a ton of RFA to signs and gotta pay Laine next year


And they're short on centers, but heavy on RHD.... 1 step closer to Hayes for Trouba
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Names skips and we got hosed. McDonough and Miller for two prospects (who might never be) and a 1st rounder (wasted). Thanks, AV for screwing up Miller AND Names.

Kovalchuk was sure to sign with us; he had a home in NJ. Signed with LA, as far from NJ as you can get. Then Ryan Reaves, big hitter we need. Resigned with VGK. Next, JVR was a Ranger fan and he was coming here. Signing with Flyers today.

Bottom line, we won't be getting any top players anytime soon. Same team (w/o Names?) that finished the season. Losers!

When does Hank ask to get out? After he faces >50 shots 3 games in a row? I'm reminded of Gump Worsley, when asked which team gave him the most trouble, he snapped back :"The Rangers."

And thank god we didn't get some of these guys. Zero interest in JVR at 7 mill for 5 years. Giving Reaves over 3 mill a year is certainly not worth it either (when did this guy become so overrated). And for us it didn't make sense to sign Kovy for that much for 3 years.

I really don't have any issues missing on these guys. And Name is not leaving it sounds like, so he'll be here.



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No, not exclusive, but heavily leaning Russians who go.




Sure, but I don't buy in to the fear of "them" skipping town just because they're Russian.... it doesn't make a guy a risk on draft day, or in a trade. This is the hands down best league. If you're a hockey player, you want to be here. You want to play with the best. You want to win a Stanley Cup, and you want to get paid. In order of importance.

You may not think so, but the league does. They get rated lower in drafts because of that. They get drafted lower because of that. So you may not buy it, but the league does.


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Stastny getting 3 years 6.5 mil from LV....Winnipeg has a ton of RFA to signs and gotta pay Laine next year


And they're short on centers, but heavy on RHD.... 1 step closer to Hayes for Trouba

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I don't know, that is not an awful deal. Not on that level, but Doughty just got 11 mill per. To me a 6.75 cap hit is not awful (he was at 4.7). I don't think that is a bad deal for TB. I think he is trending down, and if he isn't now he will be in a year or two, but that is not a terrible contract IMO.

Clearly means no Tavares for TB. Miller and McDonagh find their long term homes. And man they have a lot of big deals now. Their window is the next 2 seasons you'd figure. Florida having no state income tax does help them though.






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I am really glad we didn’t sign washed up bad character lazy Kovalchuk overpriced JVR ,Tavares cirques goes on without us being involved.
MCD contract will hunt them like the one they gave to Callahan.


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2 years for 2 mills perhaps.
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He suffered many years of none playoffs appearances and also giving him 8 years is an absurd yet Isles we’re willing to commit themselves to Tavares asking price.
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Boy did Snow do a number on the Isles. You figure they'll start to get it turned with Lou running things now, and their draft was good, and they have a ton of cap space, but man Snow F'd the Isles big time.

One thing I will say though is that team can still score, so if they add some D and a goalie they will be decent. Tavares didn't do them any favors today either since he waited so long. If he said the Isles were out sooner maybe they could have gotten someone to "replace" him like Bozak or Stastny. He owed them nothing though given what he has done there and the fact they were a mess trying to support him.







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No surprise, sounds like the Leafs for Tavares:

Still waiting on official announcement but for what it’s worth, I’m told John Tavares has agreed to come home to Toronto #Leafs



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Tavares is a POS....The Isles had to know the 2 arena thing was gonna be a problem...and they have no D or goaltending....They should of traded him
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Kick in the rocks for Lou to bad so sad.

he he he
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Lou can sign DiPietro

But he has a Radio talk show job already
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I don't blame Tavares at all. If anyone is a POS I think it is Snow and terrible previous ownership of the Isles, that's who to blame. 100% should have dealt him, and now get nothing. Lou's job will now take a couple of years, and this obviously is real bad to lose Tavares for nothing.


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Let's see the AAV for Tavares, but you have to figure over 10 mill per. Obviously good for them adding Tavares, but I still question their D and goaltending. I also wonder how do they afford Marner and Matthews. Issue for another day, but that is a lot of mouths to feed. Still very good for them today, this upcoming year and at least next year as well.


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Lou can sign DiPietro

But he has a Radio talk show job already
People often run two jobs in NY area.
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Lou can sign DiPietro

But he has a Radio talk show job already
People often run two jobs in NY area.

Fair point
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Sounds like 7X11 for Tavares. Fair market rate, but that big AAV with young talent...we'll see.


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Tavares told the Isles he wanted to stay all year

That I agree with. He did them no favors here. Saying I want to be an Islander, and then bolting. Shame on the Isles for never putting a good team around him, the arena BS and for buying that at face value with no guarantee, but yeah Tavares did stick it to the Isles...even waiting until after 12 today to decide which took other players off the board for the Isles to sign. His words said one thing, but his actions said F you Isles.




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Tavares told the Isles he wanted to stay all year

That I agree with. He did them no favors here. Saying I want to be an Islander, and then bolting. Shame on the Isles for never putting a good team around him, the arena BS and for buying that at face value with no guarantee, but yeah Tavares did stick it to the Isles...even waiting until after 12 today to decide which took other players off the board for the Isles to sign. His words said one thing, but his actions said F you Isles.



yep...Isles should have moved him at the deadline without question
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Just saw a picture of Tavares sleeping with Leafs sheets as a young kid. Don't undervalue that home town draw, we saw it with Shatt last year. Sometimes that means everything.


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Moore and Holden decent deals with solid AAV's I think. Moore extra years but very good AAV. Holden 2.2 AAV for two years. Also solid. Good dmen deals for Boston/LV.


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Is Gorton alive today or is he maybe sleeping one off. Where is Jeff Gorton at...LOL.


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I hope he is working on something. Nothing done at draft. Nothing done since draft. Too many RFA's, too many C's, need D improvement. One would think he is up to something, but at this point who knows.

BTW...some good dmen deals being had I think. We don't do any. Once again makes you think something has to be cooking...no.


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Oilers are signing Tobias Rieder.


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I don't know what Stevie Y is doing these days, he lost his mojo. He is throwing $$$ to every one.

I'm glad Rangers staying out of all this, a LOT $$$ to mid-tier players, not game breakers, game changers in any way, except for JT.

How is Toronto in a few years going to pay all these players? They will be trading some players.
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I don't know what Stevie Y is doing these days, he lost his mojo. He is throwing $$$ to every one.

I'm glad Rangers staying out of all this, a LOT $$$ to mid-tier players, not game breakers, game changers in any way, except for JT.

How is Toronto in a few years going to pay all these players? They will be trading some players.

I actually don't think the Miller or McDonagh deals are that bad AAV wise. Now I do agree it will be difficult to afford all their guys soon. Tells me he is all in on winning a cup the next two seasons. In the NHL I think that is 100% the right strategy. Windows open and close quickly in this league, so go for it while you can.

July 1st is crazy, I agree there. Some of the deals are excessive, to me 7 mill per for JVR is too much. But that's the price of doing busy on July 1st.

Still we need to do something. I still think the play is deal with Peg. They can use Hayes or Zib for a dman. Let's get it done Gorton. And we have a bunch of RFA's still.



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I bet Bobby Ryan was a Rangers fan.... Cherry Hill, NJ..


Flyers fan, that's South Jersey, right outside of PA border. Most people in that are are all Philly fans.
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Strange to me we didn't get more in on Rieder if we liked him. Signed for 1 year at a 2 mill AAV.


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Obvious now the door is wide open for Chytil, Andersson, Hajek, Lindgren, Howden ect. Wouldn’t be suprised now to see all 5 and maybe Kravtsov on the opening night roster. Along with Belesky and another enforcer type.
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Tavares is a POS....The Isles had to know the 2 arena thing was gonna be a problem...and they have no D or goaltending....They should of traded him

Stupid opinion of Taveras...he’s far from a bad guy in all this
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Tavares is a POS....The Isles had to know the 2 arena thing was gonna be a problem...and they have no D or goaltending....They should of traded him

Stupid opinion of Taveras...he’s far from a bad guy in all this

No way dude...Tavares said all year he wanted to stay...and he could of gave them a heads up so they could go after Stastny or something
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I'm okay with Name at that # for two more years. Now you have to think a deal is coming. How many C's can we have. Something has to be coming soon hopefully for a dman.


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I'm okay with Name at that # for two more years. Now you have to think a deal is coming. How many C's can we have. Something has to be coming soon hopefully for a dman.



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Unless they can steal Karlsson by taking Ryan as well, which is not happening, I agree. This is not the right time. Look to the Peg. Have to think they'd love Zib or Hayes.


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Stupid Isles...Leafs were always a MAJOR threat.


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I think it all started with Snow not putting pressure on Tavares. He should have said resign or we deal you by the trade DL. Tough tactics, but that's what you have to do in situations like this. Snow essentially said we'll let it wait until after the season and take you at your word that you want to stay in LI.

If he truly wanted to stay though, why did he have to wait to resign...because it was never a lock. Sure JT said I want to see what you will do around me...yada yada yada...but you cannot allow that in a situation like this regardless of Tavares saying I want to be an Islander with no guarantee. Dumb Snow.


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1 year deal worth 700 K. 3rd pair L shot dman. Doesn't impact what we still may (or may not) do.



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Ok, that's not bad, especially if he can score 25+, 60+ points.
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Ok, that's not bad, especially if he can score 25+, 60+ points.

Yeah its do able!
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I think 18/50 is more in line with what to expect. Hard for me to see him scoring 25 + goals with 60 + points.

Score 17/18 goals and 50 points +/- and I will consider that a solid season for 4 mill.


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They were actually paired together some, and Freddy played well against us in the 2017 playoffs. Never know...






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CBJ with a solid move:

Riley Nash to Columbus. 3 years, $2.4 mil per.


They have made some lesser subtle good adds. Their window is getting tight though.



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Leo Komarov to the NYI, four years, AAV of $3M. Yearly breakdown is $4M, $3.5M, $2.5M and $2M.
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Leo Komarov to the NYI, four years, AAV of $3M. Yearly breakdown is $4M, $3.5M, $2.5M and $2M.

Good.I wanted no part of him here.
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1 year deal worth 700 K. 3rd pair L shot dman. Doesn't impact what we still may (or may not) do.





7th Defenseman at worst. Bottom pair at best. I hear you can't go wrong with Swedish defensemen....

Can't be worse than Holden
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Yeah, 3 mill AAV not awful, but 4 year terms is too long for a player like Komarov.


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Well, Gorton has gotten paid really well for very little work the past couple of weekends. Could be their plan is we go with 22 forwards, 7 C's and a questionable D. Numbers don't add up to me, but maybe this is their plan in a total punt of a year for us. 1st pick or bust next season.


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Forwards are "okay", but nothing dynamic. D is very lacking with many huge unknowns (throw Smith in mix also). And goalie is solid. That is not a playoff team. That is a low level team. I would think a top 5 pick team. Doubt it is bad enough to be 1 or 2, but after that we are right there.

Once again, good by me if this is a one year pause. Let the kids play and grow, add a top 3 or so pick, and then back in the game next offseason. Works for me, but we need to be back in the game next summer.



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I don't know if we'll be that bad with a much better coach, Hank in net and some decent forwards and depth upfront. But I do agree it is going to be a very long year. Sure be a bottom 5 team, and bottom 3 is certainly in play. All good...trust the process next season. One step back to take three steps forward next summer.



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The problem with that is they wont take Jack Hughes...they will take a Euro kid...because this Front Office is inept
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The problem with that is they wont take Jack Hughes...they will take a Euro kid...because this Front Office is inept

Funny...and true....


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I think it all started with Snow not putting pressure on Tavares. He should have said resign or we deal you by the trade DL. Tough tactics, but that's what you have to do in situations like this. Snow essentially said we'll let it wait until after the season and take you at your word that you want to stay in LI.

If he truly wanted to stay though, why did he have to wait to resign...because it was never a lock. Sure JT said I want to see what you will do around me...yada yada yada...but you cannot allow that in a situation like this regardless of Tavares saying I want to be an Islander with no guarantee. Dumb Snow.






Try to keep it real, your dumb if you think the Tavares situation was all on Snow. Not trading Tavares was on the ownership. It’s documented. Not even Snow is that stupid.
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Totally agree. I said it was awful ownership as well, they were pulling the strings. The perfect storm really. An inept GM, terrible ownership and a player who said the words but didn't do anything action wise to back those words up.

The perfect capper for what has been a terribly run franchise. We'll see if Lou can turn things around running the hockey ops. I bet he does on some level because I would almost promise you Tavares never happens under Lou. Either he resigns earlier because Lou put an actual team around him OR Lou tells the awful owners we have to trade him if he doesn't sign by the trade DL.




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The problem with that is they wont take Jack Hughes...they will take a Euro kid...because this Front Office is inept


They'll find some Hugo Kutyakakov obscure winger...

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The problem with that is they wont take Jack Hughes...they will take a Euro kid...because this Front Office is inept


The'll find some Hugo Kutyakakov obscure winger...

hahaha yep
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The problem with that is they wont take Jack Hughes...they will take a Euro kid...because this Front Office is inept


The'll find some Hugo Kutyakakov obscure winger...
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Lay off Gorton, he had a vacation planned and is away...sure when he gets back he'll clean up our 6 RFA's and 6 C issue....


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It’s pretty obvious after today the Rangers are looking for a bottom seven type finish and hoping for some lottery luck at next years draft. And if they didn’t know they do now, trading a Zucc or Zib ect at the deadline to a contender yields a first with minimal value over a high second. They have to figure out a way to get more than one chip in the draft lottery and hope like hell. Those late first round picks traditionally just don’t have much value to do that. Gorton appears committed to a longer term rebuild and he needs some luck at the draft to get the necessary superstar to build around. There is no quick fix to this unless the kids in the system all take substantial steps in development by the 19-20 season.
Your going to find out real quick how good Quinn is getting a young team out of the gate and is he a sustainer. It’s pretty much in his hands now. He’s probably real aware of how much heat might be coming his way. Instilling his virtues of toughness, grit, hard to play against is almost a suicide mission with the hand he’s sitting on.
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It’s pretty obvious after today the Rangers are looking for a bottom seven type finish and hoping for some lottery luck at next years draft. And if they didn’t know they do now, trading a Zucc or Zib ect at the deadline to a contender yields a first with minimal value over a high second. They have to figure out a way to get more than one chip in the draft lottery and hope like hell. Those late first round picks traditionally just don’t have much value to do that. Gorton appears committed to a longer term rebuild and he needs some luck at the draft to get the necessary superstar to build around. There is no quick fix to this unless the kids in the system all take substantial steps in development by the 19-20 season.
Your going to find out real quick how good Quinn is getting a young team out of the gate and is he a sustainer. It’s pretty much in his hands now. He’s probably real aware of how much heat might be coming his way. Instilling his virtues of toughness, grit, hard to play against is almost a suicide mission with the hand he’s sitting on.

Agree with this 100%. We should all be on board with this I think. Be okay that we are going to have to suffer for one more year and add another high pick. Personally I think we'll be a bottom 3 to 5 worst team next season, which hopefully gives us worst case a top 5 pick, and best case with a worse record or lottery luck a top 3 pick. We add that one more top level pick and roll forward from there.

I still do find it hard to believe we are done now. I absolutely would deal Zib or Hayes, Spooner and even Zucc now (although I could see the case being made to keep Zucc until the trade DL to be a leader and teach the kids - that is risky though). If we can get anything solid and forward looking for that group I pull the trigger now. Plus it would help us get a better pick next draft by being a little worse this coming season.

But overall I totally agree with you, and think this is the right path for this one season.


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I don't think they're looking to do anything then what's best for the organization.

They could've tried to out bid Toronto or Philly for JT or JVR.... or LA for Kovy....but why?

Sometimes punting is the best call... does that mean this team is dead this season, or trying to tank? Absolutely not! Everyone thought Vegas would be terrible last year, right?

They could be in a position to add some pieces by the deadline, we don't know.

I didn't have Kravtsov, Hajek, Lindgren, Howden making the opening night roster, but that doesn't mean they don't prove themselves, and upgrade the roster later in the season.

Buchnevich could break out this year. To quote Quinn, all it takes is everyone being a little better this year compared to last. Completely possible, especially if you were in the Fire AV camp, which most here were....

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I don't think people thought anything about Vegas last year. No way did anyone think division winner or SCF's, but they had a decent team due to joke expansion rules.

We will be what we will be. ANYTHING can happen, but on paper as we sit right now this is not a good team. Can kids step up and be ready really super quickly...sure. Can Smith bounce back on D (as well as Shatt and Skjei bouncing back)...sure. Can Quinn do a much better job than AV...likely.

So sure anything can happen. Gorton won't come out and say punt. And I bet 1 or 2 moves still happen (need to clean up RFA's - Spoon will be dealt I think - and we have too many C's), but on paper this is not a good team. Management is speaking loudly with no activity today (which I totally agree with passing on JVR - and we had zero shot at Tavares as we are not ready and he never does that to the Isles going to their biggest rival) and no activity at the draft. They think we need to stay the course right now and let the kids play and grow. I think that is smart even though I fully expect it will lead to a very down season this one year. Smart move and then we go forward next offseason.


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Sounds like ROR to the Blues. They had a really good day I think and are really going for it:


Hearing Ryan O'Reilly has been traded to the St. Louis Blues.



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It could be worse, we could be the Sens. There is a team that will be worse than us....

The Sens are really f’d. They look to be awful this coming season (double so when they eventually deal Karlsson now or at the trade DL), BUT their # 1 pick goes to Colorado in the Duchene deal, so boy are they f’d if that is the # 1 pick, or even a top 3 pick, which it almost certainly will be. I have a feeling Ottawa will regret not giving Colorado the # 4 pick this season instead.



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Isles plan B. Would have been better off with Bozak or Stastny I think.


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Isles plan B. Would have been better off with Bozak or Stastny I think.


Source says #Isles have indeed signed C Valteri Filppula, though team has not confirmed.



If only Tavares gave them a heads up....
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Actually pretty solid signing for only one-year (Isles also kept Hickey and signed Komarov):


Filppula is a one-year deal for $2.75 million with #Isles.


What really tells me that Gorton is staying silent and planning for next year is some of these deals weren't that bad and we still did nothing. Some of these guys could have helped us, and we passed. Not ready now. Want to give the kids a shot. Too many years. Whatever the reason(s) the result is the result, stand idly by and not do anything really today or at the draft.


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It’s pretty obvious after today the Rangers are looking for a bottom seven type finish and hoping for some lottery luck at next years draft. And if they didn’t know they do now, trading a Zucc or Zib ect at the deadline to a contender yields a first with minimal value over a high second. They have to figure out a way to get more than one chip in the draft lottery and hope like hell. Those late first round picks traditionally just don’t have much value to do that. Gorton appears committed to a longer term rebuild and he needs some luck at the draft to get the necessary superstar to build around. There is no quick fix to this unless the kids in the system all take substantial steps in development by the 19-20 season.
Your going to find out real quick how good Quinn is getting a young team out of the gate and is he a sustainer. It’s pretty much in his hands now. He’s probably real aware of how much heat might be coming his way. Instilling his virtues of toughness, grit, hard to play against is almost a suicide mission with the hand he’s sitting on.

So far with the possible exception of K Miller,I've seen no proof that this team is looking to be tougher,grittier,and harder to play against.Offhand.the only free agent that fits that bill right now is Chris Stewart,and I wont be holding my breath waiting for him to come here.
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Posted 2018-07-01 8:03 PM (#707660 - in reply to #707650)
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I don't think they're looking to do anything then what's best for the organization.

They could've tried to out bid Toronto or Philly for JT or JVR.... or LA for Kovy....but why?

Sometimes punting is the best call... does that mean this team is dead this season, or trying to tank? Absolutely not! Everyone thought Vegas would be terrible last year, right?

They could be in a position to add some pieces by the deadline, we don't know.

I didn't have Kravtsov, Hajek, Lindgren, Howden making the opening night roster, but that doesn't mean they don't prove themselves, and upgrade the roster later in the season.

Buchnevich could break out this year. To quote Quinn, all it takes is everyone being a little better this year compared to last. Completely possible, especially if you were in the Fire AV camp, which most here were....



Of course Gorton and crew are doing what they think is best. That doesn’t translate to a successful season and playoff run. One would have to be peering through the rosiest coloured glasses ever to see much upside to the team with or without Hajek, Howden, Lindgren, Andersson, and Chytil for this season.
This season is looking very much like a write off unless Quinn is a phenom coach. As a fan it’s concerning how far along the Rangers will be the following year let alone this upcoming year.
As a top four Shattenkirk, Skjei, Staal, and Pionk is terrible. As it stands now Zib, and Hayes as the top two centres is pilsbury tough and unless motivated by Quinn to release some backbone, more trouble for the Rangers. Andersson and Chytil need bark on them, that will take some time. So to review a terrible top four D, two cream puffs and two kids at center, and a aging goalie who showed a lot of swing in his inconsistency last season. It’s a recipe for a another season of being on the outside looking in at playoff time.
If they are respectable Quinn is a front runner for coach of the year.
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Posted 2018-07-01 8:04 PM (#707661 - in reply to #706448)
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Posted 2018-07-01 8:06 PM (#707662 - in reply to #707659)
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Rranger - 2018-07-01 7:22 PM

It’s pretty obvious after today the Rangers are looking for a bottom seven type finish and hoping for some lottery luck at next years draft. And if they didn’t know they do now, trading a Zucc or Zib ect at the deadline to a contender yields a first with minimal value over a high second. They have to figure out a way to get more than one chip in the draft lottery and hope like hell. Those late first round picks traditionally just don’t have much value to do that. Gorton appears committed to a longer term rebuild and he needs some luck at the draft to get the necessary superstar to build around. There is no quick fix to this unless the kids in the system all take substantial steps in development by the 19-20 season.
Your going to find out real quick how good Quinn is getting a young team out of the gate and is he a sustainer. It’s pretty much in his hands now. He’s probably real aware of how much heat might be coming his way. Instilling his virtues of toughness, grit, hard to play against is almost a suicide mission with the hand he’s sitting on.

So far with the possible exception of K Miller,I've seen no proof that this team is looking to be tougher,grittier,and harder to play against.Offhand.the only free agent that fits that bill right now is Chris Stewart,and I wont be holding my breath waiting for him to come here.




We will see how good Quinn is at turning lambs into lions. Because he’s got a bunch on his hands.

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I don't think they're looking to do anything then what's best for the organization.

They could've tried to out bid Toronto or Philly for JT or JVR.... or LA for Kovy....but why?

Sometimes punting is the best call... does that mean this team is dead this season, or trying to tank? Absolutely not! Everyone thought Vegas would be terrible last year, right?

They could be in a position to add some pieces by the deadline, we don't know.

I didn't have Kravtsov, Hajek, Lindgren, Howden making the opening night roster, but that doesn't mean they don't prove themselves, and upgrade the roster later in the season.

Buchnevich could break out this year. To quote Quinn, all it takes is everyone being a little better this year compared to last. Completely possible, especially if you were in the Fire AV camp, which most here were....



Of course Gorton and crew are doing what they think is best. That doesn’t translate to a successful season and playoff run. One would have to be peering through the rosiest coloured glasses ever to see much upside to the team with or without Hajek, Howden, Lindgren, Andersson, and Chytil for this season.
This season is looking very much like a write off unless Quinn is a phenom coach. As a fan it’s concerning how far along the Rangers will be the following year let alone this upcoming year.
As a top four Shattenkirk, Skjei, Staal, and Pionk is terrible. As it stands now Zib, and Hayes as the top two centres is pilsbury tough and unless motivated by Quinn to release some backbone, more trouble for the Rangers. Andersson and Chytil need bark on them, that will take some time. So to review a terrible top four D, two cream puffs and two kids at center, and a aging goalie who showed a lot of swing in his inconsistency last season. It’s a recipe for a another season of being on the outside looking in at playoff time.
If they are respectable Quinn is a front runner for coach of the year.

I sure hope Gorton knows what he is doing...I am a little nervous
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Posted 2018-07-01 8:18 PM (#707665 - in reply to #707663)
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robstones - 2018-07-01 4:54 PM

I don't think they're looking to do anything then what's best for the organization.

They could've tried to out bid Toronto or Philly for JT or JVR.... or LA for Kovy....but why?

Sometimes punting is the best call... does that mean this team is dead this season, or trying to tank? Absolutely not! Everyone thought Vegas would be terrible last year, right?

They could be in a position to add some pieces by the deadline, we don't know.

I didn't have Kravtsov, Hajek, Lindgren, Howden making the opening night roster, but that doesn't mean they don't prove themselves, and upgrade the roster later in the season.

Buchnevich could break out this year. To quote Quinn, all it takes is everyone being a little better this year compared to last. Completely possible, especially if you were in the Fire AV camp, which most here were....



Of course Gorton and crew are doing what they think is best. That doesn’t translate to a successful season and playoff run. One would have to be peering through the rosiest coloured glasses ever to see much upside to the team with or without Hajek, Howden, Lindgren, Andersson, and Chytil for this season.
This season is looking very much like a write off unless Quinn is a phenom coach. As a fan it’s concerning how far along the Rangers will be the following year let alone this upcoming year.
As a top four Shattenkirk, Skjei, Staal, and Pionk is terrible. As it stands now Zib, and Hayes as the top two centres is pilsbury tough and unless motivated by Quinn to release some backbone, more trouble for the Rangers. Andersson and Chytil need bark on them, that will take some time. So to review a terrible top four D, two cream puffs and two kids at center, and a aging goalie who showed a lot of swing in his inconsistency last season. It’s a recipe for a another season of being on the outside looking in at playoff time.
If they are respectable Quinn is a front runner for coach of the year.

I sure hope Gorton knows what he is doing...I am a little nervous



At least Chytil, Andersson or Howden and Lindgren and Hajek need to make the Rangers and be good to give the Rangers any hope of a decent season, without them it’s a mess. You have to hope Chytil can handle the third hole and Howden or Andersson the fourth line and if they can and play well and Spooner, Namestnikov, can thrive on the wing then there is hope.
Shattenkirk, Staal, Pionk, Skjei, Lindgren, DeAngelo and Hajek has potential if the kids can handle it. Hajek might blow everyone out of the water and knock Staal out of the top four, he’s capable, but he has to do it. Pionk has to be better and thrive offensively like last season. But Shattenkirk and Skjei have to be excellent and sorry but I’m not betting on that, but if they are then ya the Rangers could suprise but without the new kids forget it.
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If we dont trade any forwards...opening night there is room for 2 kids
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robstones - 2018-07-01 4:54 PM

I don't think they're looking to do anything then what's best for the organization.

They could've tried to out bid Toronto or Philly for JT or JVR.... or LA for Kovy....but why?

Sometimes punting is the best call... does that mean this team is dead this season, or trying to tank? Absolutely not! Everyone thought Vegas would be terrible last year, right?

They could be in a position to add some pieces by the deadline, we don't know.

I didn't have Kravtsov, Hajek, Lindgren, Howden making the opening night roster, but that doesn't mean they don't prove themselves, and upgrade the roster later in the season.

Buchnevich could break out this year. To quote Quinn, all it takes is everyone being a little better this year compared to last. Completely possible, especially if you were in the Fire AV camp, which most here were....



Of course Gorton and crew are doing what they think is best. That doesn’t translate to a successful season and playoff run. One would have to be peering through the rosiest coloured glasses ever to see much upside to the team with or without Hajek, Howden, Lindgren, Andersson, and Chytil for this season.
This season is looking very much like a write off unless Quinn is a phenom coach. As a fan it’s concerning how far along the Rangers will be the following year let alone this upcoming year.
As a top four Shattenkirk, Skjei, Staal, and Pionk is terrible. As it stands now Zib, and Hayes as the top two centres is pilsbury tough and unless motivated by Quinn to release some backbone, more trouble for the Rangers. Andersson and Chytil need bark on them, that will take some time. So to review a terrible top four D, two cream puffs and two kids at center, and a aging goalie who showed a lot of swing in his inconsistency last season. It’s a recipe for a another season of being on the outside looking in at playoff time.
If they are respectable Quinn is a front runner for coach of the year.

I sure hope Gorton knows what he is doing...I am a little nervous



At least Chytil, Andersson or Howden and Lindgren and Hajek need to make the Rangers and be good to give the Rangers any hope of a decent season, without them it’s a mess. You have to hope Chytil can handle the third hole and Howden or Andersson the fourth line and if they can and play well and Spooner, Namestnikov, can thrive on the wing then there is hope.
Shattenkirk, Staal, Pionk, Skjei, Lindgren, DeAngelo and Hajek has potential if the kids can handle it. Hajek might blow everyone out of the water and knock Staal out of the top four, he’s capable, but he has to do it. Pionk has to be better and thrive offensively like last season. But Shattenkirk and Skjei have to be excellent and sorry but I’m not betting on that, but if they are then ya the Rangers could suprise but without the new kids forget it.

Absolutely 100%
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Posted 2018-07-01 8:27 PM (#707668 - in reply to #707666)
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If we dont trade any forwards...opening night there is room for 2 kids



Possibly

Kreider Zib Buch
Namestmikov Hayes Zucc
Spooner Chytil Vesey
Belesky Andersson or Howden Fast

And let them go.
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Posted 2018-07-01 8:27 PM (#707669 - in reply to #706448)
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And Matt Beleskey should be bottom 6 guy if he has a good camp...he can be a good player
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Posted 2018-07-01 8:29 PM (#707670 - in reply to #707668)
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Mikey Red - 2018-07-01 7:19 PM

If we dont trade any forwards...opening night there is room for 2 kids



Possibly

Kreider Zib Buch
Namestmikov Hayes Zucc
Spooner Chytil Vesey
Belesky Andersson or Howden Fast

And let them go.

Yep...Im especially pulling for Howden
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Posted 2018-07-01 8:36 PM (#707671 - in reply to #707670)
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Mikey Red - 2018-07-01 7:19 PM

If we dont trade any forwards...opening night there is room for 2 kids



Possibly

Kreider Zib Buch
Namestmikov Hayes Zucc
Spooner Chytil Vesey
Belesky Andersson or Howden Fast

And let them go.

Yep...Im especially pulling for Howden




Me to. A dark horse for the 4c if Andersson and or Howden doesn’t pan out is Gabriel Fontaine, he was one of the better defensive faceoff guys in Hartford, he should be on the Rangers radar.
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Posted 2018-07-02 4:26 AM (#707672 - in reply to #706448)
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I like what I have seen and heard about Howden as well. At some point things have to happen as we have the RFA's to deal with, so action will be coming. Will it be simply resigning them or will it be some trades, we'll see (I think it will be a little of both). And somewhere inside of me I still think we make a play for a dman, but that one is a huge uncertainty and coin flip.


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Posted 2018-07-02 6:04 AM (#707673 - in reply to #706448)
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Agree totally. I am very positive on Fontaine. He got a long look with moron AV. His supporting cast was crap for the Pack. He was super clutch all of juniors. They put him in a defensive role because the rest of the forwards on his team were defensively incompetent. His playoff numbers were always better than his regular season numbers when you factor in playoff scoring is usually much lower. He does all the little things at a high level. I hated Nieves but I admit he was impressive on the 4th line. Which makes total sense that imbecile AV banished him to the minors. I would absolutely like to see a 4th line of Howden-Fontaine-Nieves. Let all of them take turns at center and wing. Get them used to playing both without putting the burden of being an NHL center on any one of them. Give them all tons of PK time and save the minutes for more of the vets on the PP and at even strength.
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Posted 2018-07-02 7:06 AM (#707675 - in reply to #707639)
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Go NYR - 2018-07-01 12:24 PM

I think it all started with Snow not putting pressure on Tavares. He should have said resign or we deal you by the trade DL. Tough tactics, but that's what you have to do in situations like this. Snow essentially said we'll let it wait until after the season and take you at your word that you want to stay in LI.

If he truly wanted to stay though, why did he have to wait to resign...because it was never a lock. Sure JT said I want to see what you will do around me...yada yada yada...but you cannot allow that in a situation like this regardless of Tavares saying I want to be an Islander with no guarantee. Dumb Snow.






Try to keep it real, your dumb if you think the Tavares situation was all on Snow. Not trading Tavares was on the ownership. It’s documented. Not even Snow is that stupid.


Also remember Tavares had a full NMC at the trade deadline. So as easy as it is to pin that on Snow and say that he should have given JT an ultimatum at the deadline, JT was the one holding all the cards.

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There is enough "blame" to go around with the Isles, that's for sure. Tavares takes a hit also for at the end of the day jerking the Isles around. Awful ownership. An inept GM. List goes on and on.




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There is enough "blame" to go around with the Isles, that's for sure. Tavares takes a hit also for at the end of the day jerking the Isles around. Awful ownership. An inept GM. List goes on and on.




Also reported that he said something like, he didn't feel the need to keep promises to the new leadership since he made those promises to the old leadership. Whether or not it makes sense, he may have had some personal loyalty to Snow, Weight, and Co. and when they were all axed, he said "F this." He may very well have been seriously considering re-signing on the Islanders prior to leadership changes, so it's not like he was jerking them around at the trade deadline.

If he knew at the deadline he was definitely going to leave, well he has a full NMC so he could literally choose his destination and tell Snow to make a deal because it's the only team I'll play for. They could have sent him to the Leafs for a 7th round pick and retained half his salary, and they still would have gotten more than they have now. But my sense is that he was undecided up until they fired everyone and brought in Lou.

You can't expect to have a season where you announce shifting arena plans, change leadership, and then have a crap team on the ice, to be a situation where a guy who has been a perfect soldier for 10 years, even taking a team friendly deal, would want to stay.

Islanders have been mismanaging this situation for years. Tavares didn't do anything "wrong" per se, he earned everything he got. He gave that team 10 years, he was supposed to be the cornerstone of their rebuild.

Tavares's first year: Islanders finish with 79 points
Tavares's last year: Islanders finish with 80 points

Some rebuild. Who's going to give a franchise like that any loyalty.


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We'll never really know. Is it possible he stays if Snow is there still, sure it is possible. Personally I don't buy that due to his Leafs love and desire to live out his childhood dream as he puts it, and the fact that Snow was awful and never put a decent team around him, but that is pure speculation on my part. To me we can slice and dice it anyway we want to, but the bottom line is he said he wanted to be an Isle and left. The owner did an awful job handling it. And Snow was a god awful GM. That's really the bottom line facts wise. The rest is window dressing.


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The Isles just started to die today...they still have a few UFA's that would hurt them more to lose


I'm just loving the Islanders right now. After everyone was singing their praises with the draft, and Lou and Trotz, it's so nice to see the Islanders sh!+ing the bed during free agency. My faith in the NYI organ-eye-zation has been restored
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Mikey Red - 2018-07-01 9:36 PM

The Isles just started to die today...they still have a few UFA's that would hurt them more to lose


I'm just loving the Islanders right now. After everyone was singing their praises with the draft, and Lou and Trotz, it's so nice to see the Islanders sh!+ing the bed during free agency. My faith in the NYI organ-eye-zation has been restored

Yep they are screwed...They will find out just how much better Tavares made everyone else
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A savvy one year deal for the Fredster. Okie dokie!
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Lol @ Islanders...Im watching the Tavares interview from yesterday....His personality is less exciting than watching paint dry
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We'll never really know. Is it possible he stays if Snow is there still, sure it is possible. Personally I don't buy that due to his Leafs love and desire to live out his childhood dream as he puts it, and the fact that Snow was awful and never put a decent team around him, but that is pure speculation on my part. To me we can slice and dice it anyway we want to, but the bottom line is he said he wanted to be an Isle and left. The owner did an awful job handling it. And Snow was a god awful GM. That's really the bottom line facts wise. The rest is window dressing.




We'll never know for sure. All I know is that his statements about wanting to stay and Islander, both before and after the deadline, before and after their season ended, occurred with the old regime. Not once did he say anything remotely like that after Lou and Co came in.

Also if he wanted to live out the childhood dream so badly, he could have just said at the deadline that he wanted to go to the Leafs. Realistically, the Islanders could have retained a bit of salary to make it work, and gotten a couple of assets in return. They could have easily gotten a second round pick and a B+ prospect at the deadline for "rental" Tavares. Tavares gets to live his childhood dream, gets a legitimate shot at the Cup for the first time, Islanders get some assets, and can start to move on.

It's all moot now. I'm happy for Tavares because he always seemed like a class guy stuck in a bad situation, that didn't take the easy way out (forcing their hand at the deadline, or demanding a trade). He took team friendly deals and was legitimately a team player in just about everything he did. Part of me has empathy for the Islander fans who basically take it in the rear AGAIN due to their terrible leadership, on the other hand they're Islander fans and deserve everything they get.
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Posted 2018-07-02 9:40 AM (#707691 - in reply to #706448)
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On one hand I'm happy the Rangers are not making stupid deals in free agency.

On the other hand, there are some more savvy moves that they should be exploring that aren't getting done.

For one, what's the status of our center situation? Namestnikov is signed, is he moving to wing I assume, if kids are ready? Even so we still have a lot of centers. The longer you wait at this point, and the longer other teams have to set their rosters, the less value you're going to get if and when you deal an NHL asset.

Second, I like they're not making stupid moves, but I think they should also be exploring signing veteran scoring wingers, and depth defensemen, to overpriced one year deals with the intention of flipping them for assets at the deadline. We have the cap space to overpay a guy and flip him later. For example, Vanek signed in DET for one year, $3m. Why not offer him $4m on the same deal, let him put up 40+ points here, and then when the deadline comes, retain $2m and flip him to a contender? You could easily get a 2nd round pick if not more for him.

Only issue is that if you do that you take up a roster spot, but that leads back to my first point... a trade of a center is almost definitely coming, why the wait?
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Does it matter? He said he wanted to stay, and then he left. And not only did he leave he waited until after the 12 start of free agency which allowed other possible replacements to sign elsewhere. So I'm sorry but Tavares did end up sticking it to the Isles with his actions. Again his right 10000000000%. He owes the isles nothing. Maybe he would have stayed if Snow was still there. All true or possible...but what did happen was he left after saying he'd stay and he did so after the 12 noon kickoff of free agency. He has some blood on his hands here, even though it is his right and he has less blood on his hands than Snow and especially the owners.



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At least two of Hayes, Isis, Spooner and Namestawhatever have to go. It doesn't all have to happen this summer, but at least one does I would think.
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At least two of Hayes, Isis, Spooner and Namestawhatever have to go. It doesn't all have to happen this summer, but at least one does I would think.

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Does it matter? He said he wanted to stay, and then he left. And not only did he leave he waited until after the 12 start of free agency which allowed other possible replacements to sign elsewhere. So I'm sorry but Tavares did end up sticking it to the Isles with his actions. Again his right 10000000000%. He owes the isles nothing. Maybe he would have stayed if Snow was still there. All true or possible...but what did happen was he left after saying he'd stay and he did so after the 12 noon kickoff of free agency. He has some blood on his hands here, even though it is his right and he has less blood on his hands than Snow and especially the owners.



He said he wanted to stay 4 months ago, well before things like the leadership change. I can't hold him to that, I think it's only fair that if you alter the terms of your side of the deal he can alter the terms of his.

It's like a marriage, you can say anything you want in the vows but if your partner ends up being abusive or a cheater or whatever, no one's going to hold you to the vows. They were true when you said them but that doesn't compel you to enforce them at the expense of your own safety or happiness.

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Does it matter? He said he wanted to stay, and then he left. And not only did he leave he waited until after the 12 start of free agency which allowed other possible replacements to sign elsewhere. So I'm sorry but Tavares did end up sticking it to the Isles with his actions. Again his right 10000000000%. He owes the isles nothing. Maybe he would have stayed if Snow was still there. All true or possible...but what did happen was he left after saying he'd stay and he did so after the 12 noon kickoff of free agency. He has some blood on his hands here, even though it is his right and he has less blood on his hands than Snow and especially the owners.



He said he wanted to stay 4 months ago, well before things like the leadership change. I can't hold him to that, I think it's only fair that if you alter the terms of your side of the deal he can alter the terms of his.

It's like a marriage, you can say anything you want in the vows but if your partner ends up being abusive or a cheater or whatever, no one's going to hold you to the vows. They were true when you said them but that doesn't compel you to enforce them at the expense of your own safety or happiness.


nice analogy.

Besides all this, who gives a f uck if he screwed them or not?
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At least two of Hayes, Isis, Spooner and Namestawhatever have to go. It doesn't all have to happen this summer, but at least one does I would think.


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Does it matter? He said he wanted to stay, and then he left. And not only did he leave he waited until after the 12 start of free agency which allowed other possible replacements to sign elsewhere. So I'm sorry but Tavares did end up sticking it to the Isles with his actions. Again his right 10000000000%. He owes the isles nothing. Maybe he would have stayed if Snow was still there. All true or possible...but what did happen was he left after saying he'd stay and he did so after the 12 noon kickoff of free agency. He has some blood on his hands here, even though it is his right and he has less blood on his hands than Snow and especially the owners.





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Does it matter? He said he wanted to stay, and then he left. And not only did he leave he waited until after the 12 start of free agency which allowed other possible replacements to sign elsewhere. So I'm sorry but Tavares did end up sticking it to the Isles with his actions. Again his right 10000000000%. He owes the isles nothing. Maybe he would have stayed if Snow was still there. All true or possible...but what did happen was he left after saying he'd stay and he did so after the 12 noon kickoff of free agency. He has some blood on his hands here, even though it is his right and he has less blood on his hands than Snow and especially the owners.





You should have a conversation with Rangers2017 and Shattenkirk2017.

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At least two of Hayes, Isis, Spooner and Namestawhatever have to go. It doesn't all have to happen this summer, but at least one does I would think.


Hahaha

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Does it matter? He said he wanted to stay, and then he left. And not only did he leave he waited until after the 12 start of free agency which allowed other possible replacements to sign elsewhere. So I'm sorry but Tavares did end up sticking it to the Isles with his actions. Again his right 10000000000%. He owes the isles nothing. Maybe he would have stayed if Snow was still there. All true or possible...but what did happen was he left after saying he'd stay and he did so after the 12 noon kickoff of free agency. He has some blood on his hands here, even though it is his right and he has less blood on his hands than Snow and especially the owners.





You should have a conversation with Rangers2017 and Shattenkirk2017.

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Besides all this, who gives a f uck if he screwed them or not?


It's all academic. In the end I'm just happy that the Islanders are pissed. I really doubt though that he had an agenda to screw the team, whether or not the results ended up that way.
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Does it matter? He said he wanted to stay, and then he left. And not only did he leave he waited until after the 12 start of free agency which allowed other possible replacements to sign elsewhere. So I'm sorry but Tavares did end up sticking it to the Isles with his actions. Again his right 10000000000%. He owes the isles nothing. Maybe he would have stayed if Snow was still there. All true or possible...but what did happen was he left after saying he'd stay and he did so after the 12 noon kickoff of free agency. He has some blood on his hands here, even though it is his right and he has less blood on his hands than Snow and especially the owners.



He said he wanted to stay 4 months ago, well before things like the leadership change. I can't hold him to that, I think it's only fair that if you alter the terms of your side of the deal he can alter the terms of his.

It's like a marriage, you can say anything you want in the vows but if your partner ends up being abusive or a cheater or whatever, no one's going to hold you to the vows. They were true when you said them but that doesn't compel you to enforce them at the expense of your own safety or happiness.


I really think we are debating semantics here. He said he'd stay and he left. That's all I am saying. As Mandar said he owes them nothing anyway, so who cares really, but that's what happened. Circumstances changed and he changed his mind. Okay, he still left after saying he'd stay, and owed them nothing so good for him. Not much else to say really.

This is about the awful owners and inept GM mainly anyway. Tavares did what is his right, but still doesn't mean he didn't F the Isles by doing it the way he did.


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Besides all this, who gives a f uck if he screwed them or not?


It's all academic. In the end I'm just happy that the Islanders are pissed. I really doubt though that he had an agenda to screw the team, whether or not the results ended up that way.

Agreed...


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This is when Gorton should be looking to move. we have the RFA's and extra C's to deal with. I just read that Toronto is looking to move Martin and his 2.5 mill cap hit (he would be a very good fit for us for 2 years), and maybe Horton's 5.3 mill cap hit (I would take that if we got a valuable asset back). Gorton needs to wake up now, be creative and get some stuff done.


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This is about the awful owners and inept GM mainly anyway. Tavares did what is his right, but still doesn't mean he didn't F the Isles by doing it the way he did.




True, probably semantics, but I would say the Islanders F'ed themselves here. They painted themselves into a corner and when Tavares left, he looks like the bad guy. They're stuck in a perpetual rebuild not because they don't have good players on the ice (there have been many good players going through the Island in the past 10 years) but because management can't get their act together and get all the pieces to work together at the right time.

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Agree. And IMO I don't view Tavares as the bad guy. I personally am not sure he handled it the right way, but he did what is his right to do, so more power to him. If I was an Isles fan I would not be happy with Tavares, but I also would be real and know we had a terrible GM and an awful owner who take the VERY large amount of the blame for sure.



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I wouldn't worry about it too much. Nothing I have seen makes me think we are even remotely in the mix. Always seemed like Vegas was at the top of the list.


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Interesting signing by the Flames. 2 year deal on Buddy Robinson. Buddy who, you say? Buddy Robinson 6'6" 235 guy who was high school teammate of Johnny Geaudreau at Glochester Catholic in South Jersey. I remember my son's team playing against them when my son and Johnny were sophomores and Geaudreau was all of 5 foot tall and 100 lbs. Robinson was 6'5 and over 200 lbs. Geaudreau scored 5 or 6 and assisted on a few more. Robinson probably the beneficiary of the assists. Right then and there I knew Johnny Hockey was probably the best player I'd ever seen play with or against any of my kids.

Johnny helping an old friend or needing a big, familiar running mate?
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Its amazing...almost everyone on BSB wants Karlsson


I'd love him too. Just not while we're rebuilding. By the time the Rangers are back to being competetive he'll be on his way down and not worth the money. Maybe 3 years ago I would have went after him. But so much of his game is built on speed and those foot injuries combined with aging and that price...... Pass.
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Mikey Red - 2018-07-03 8:11 AM

Its amazing...almost everyone on BSB wants Karlsson


I'd love him too. Just not while we're rebuilding. By the time the Rangers are back to being competetive he'll be on his way down and not worth the money. Maybe 3 years ago I would have went after him. But so much of his game is built on speed and those foot injuries combined with aging and that price...... Pass.

Yeah totally...he is very much breaking down physically...No way in Hell you give him a Doughty contract plus kids
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Its amazing...almost everyone on BSB wants Karlsson


I'd love him too. Just not while we're rebuilding. By the time the Rangers are back to being competetive he'll be on his way down and not worth the money. Maybe 3 years ago I would have went after him. But so much of his game is built on speed and those foot injuries combined with aging and that price...... Pass.


100% agree. He started his career as a point producer with not much defensive edge to his game, but has grown and rounded out into a complete defenseman who still puts up elite numbers. I'd love to have him but he doesn't fit the team we have. True of many good players.
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If Ryan is part of a Karlsson deal Ottawa fans will be dissapointed in the return. Ottawa is shooting themselves in the foot doing that. After Karlsson is gone they will be bad, and struggling to reach the minimum salary cap for the duration of Ryan’s contract, almost certainly. Very dumb to take a hit on Karlsson value tying Ryan to a deal.
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If Ryan is part of a Karlsson deal Ottawa fans will be dissapointed in the return. Ottawa is shooting themselves in the foot doing that. After Karlsson is gone they will be bad, and struggling to reach the minimum salary cap for the duration of Ryan’s contract, almost certainly. Very dumb to take a hit on Karlsson value tying Ryan to a deal.

yep then Duchene becomes a UFA next year too
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If Ryan is part of a Karlsson deal Ottawa fans will be dissapointed in the return. Ottawa is shooting themselves in the foot doing that. After Karlsson is gone they will be bad, and struggling to reach the minimum salary cap for the duration of Ryan’s contract, almost certainly. Very dumb to take a hit on Karlsson value tying Ryan to a deal.

yep then Duchene becomes a UFA next year too




And he to will sprout wings. Melnyk is going to cost Ottawa the franchise.

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If Ryan is part of a Karlsson deal Ottawa fans will be dissapointed in the return. Ottawa is shooting themselves in the foot doing that. After Karlsson is gone they will be bad, and struggling to reach the minimum salary cap for the duration of Ryan’s contract, almost certainly. Very dumb to take a hit on Karlsson value tying Ryan to a deal.

yep then Duchene becomes a UFA next year too




And he to will sprout wings. Melnyk is going to cost Ottawa the franchise.

Yep...Ottawa situation is an unmitigated disaster...Arena is in a lousy location ...total mess...Just move to Quebec or something
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Nail Yakupov headed to KHL

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he cab krapshot's spot

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As was the case the last time The Rangers sucked, and The Leafs had Brian Leetch.... I think I want Toronto to win. With Tavares and Matthews. Marner and Nylander. They have a good shot at it. Buyers by the deadline, for sure.
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As was the case the last time The Rangers sucked, and The Leafs had Brian Leetch.... I think I want Toronto to win. With Tavares and Matthews. Marner and Nylander. They have a good shot at it. Buyers by the deadline, for sure.


I hope they lose, the local fans turn on Matthews because he's American and Toronto makes him available.
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robstones - 2018-07-03 10:45 AM

As was the case the last time The Rangers sucked, and The Leafs had Brian Leetch.... I think I want Toronto to win. With Tavares and Matthews. Marner and Nylander. They have a good shot at it. Buyers by the deadline, for sure.


I hope they lose, the local fans turn on Matthews because he's American and Toronto makes him available.


Also possible
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https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/leafs-trade-matt-martin-islander...

Martin checks a lot of boxes for the Rangers and the Isles gave up nothing. You can’t have a bunch of kids on a team without a couple of Martin types. Gorton must have been having a nap or something.
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For years and years, Rangers management gets b!tched at by fans for over spending on players and signing bad FA contracts... for not developing from the draft, and not letting the kids play.

And now that it looks like they're doing all of those things, fans still aren't satisfied.
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Well Rob I agree...but this year with so many kids coming and softies we have... we need some muscle
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Especially when we told that this team was going to be built as a physical,tough team to play against.So far zero in that area.
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For years and years, Rangers management gets b!tched at by fans for over spending on players and signing bad FA contracts... for not developing from the draft, and not letting the kids play.

And now that it looks like they're doing all of those things, fans still aren't satisfied.






Get real Rob they didn’t pick up the prototype of what they need for nothing and with no cap damage. We are not talking any kind of investment at all. They need someone to look after the kids, this was a blown opportunity.
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For years and years, Rangers management gets b!tched at by fans for over spending on players and signing bad FA contracts... for not developing from the draft, and not letting the kids play.

And now that it looks like they're doing all of those things, fans still aren't satisfied.

I actually don't agree with you rob, and here is why, no one is saying sign Tavares or trade for/sign Karlsson or sign JVR. It is actually the exact opposite. Smart smaller moves like Martin or Schenn make sense to me. Not long term and not huge money. That is the exact opposite of what we have historically done and the fans complain about.

How about some balance and smart smaller term/money signings. How about trading one of our 6 C's for a dman. How about trading a RFA for a dman. Things like that.

So no I do not agree. No one is saying sign all these big ticket items and be usual Rangers. But how about he wakes up from his slumber to balance things out and make some smart savvy trades and signings. Leaving plenty of room for kids and a mix of good smart vets. That's the approach. Not go 100% quiet and do nothing at all. Come on.





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For years and years, Rangers management gets b!tched at by fans for over spending on players and signing bad FA contracts... for not developing from the draft, and not letting the kids play.

And now that it looks like they're doing all of those things, fans still aren't satisfied.






Get real Rob they didn’t pick up the prototype of what they need for nothing and with no cap damage. We are not talking any kind of investment at all. They need someone to look after the kids, this was a blown opportunity.

Agree 100000000%.


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It's a roster spot for 2 years is what it is. I'm not signing a guy in todays NHL because he's not afraid to punch a guy in the face, when I could be playing and developing one of the young guys. There's a good chance Howden, Chytil, and Andersson are all NHL ready.... F this guy.... missed opportunity.... please....
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Okay, so field a team with 6 C's and all kids. No punch and grit and toughness. That seems like a very smart balanced team. If the goal is to suck this year though, then sure I am on board. That may be a smart strategy.


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I'll play devil's advocate here: how do we know Gorts didn't try and, if he did, what the asking price was?

Just because the Laughs gave him up to the Piles for a minor league goalie does not mean that's the same asking price they extended to the Rangers. Also, we don't know the circumstances that led to this deal....for all we know, it could be the equivalent of baseball's "future considerations" or an underhanded "thank you" for screwing up the Tavares situation.
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It's a roster spot for 2 years is what it is. I'm not signing a guy in todays NHL because he's not afraid to punch a guy in the face, when I could be playing and developing one of the young guys. There's a good chance Howden, Chytil, and Andersson are all NHL ready.... F this guy.... missed opportunity.... please....



Well when Martin is running all over your kids maybe you will figure it out. The beauty of Martin is he can play and Punch a guy in the face lol. But it’s ok the Rangers got Jesper.
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Perhaps we have to talk to Maroon?



Maroon is going to get a good contract and he is the prototype Ranger past dumb signing. He’s going to get to much money and term for what he will bring the Rangers. They don’t need to be trying to dump him 2 years down the road. He is what Rob should be worrying about. He’s not a fourth line player like Martin and would take away opportunity for younger players. Martin would not, Martin on the fourth line was the answer, all the Rangers had to do was top the Isles offer. It is doubtful the Rangers will find a guy like Martin that can actually play. The last time the piles went to the playoffs the fourth line of Martin, Clutterbuck and Cizikas was outstanding. Welcome back Cody McLeod lol.
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Perhaps we have to talk to Maroon?



Maroon is going to get a good contract and he is the prototype Ranger past dumb signing. He’s going to get to much money and term for what he will bring the Rangers. They don’t need to be trying to dump him 2 years down the road. He is what Rob should be worrying about. He’s not a fourth line player like Martin and would take away opportunity for younger players. Martin would not, Martin on the fourth line was the answer, all the Rangers had to do was top the Isles offer. It is doubtful the Rangers will find a guy like Martin that can actually play. The last time the piles went to the playoffs the fourth line of Martin, Clutterbuck and Cizikas was outstanding. Welcome back Cody McLeod lol.
You don't know that an offer wasn't made..
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Perhaps we have to talk to Maroon?



Maroon is going to get a good contract and he is the prototype Ranger past dumb signing. He’s going to get to much money and term for what he will bring the Rangers. They don’t need to be trying to dump him 2 years down the road. He is what Rob should be worrying about. He’s not a fourth line player like Martin and would take away opportunity for younger players. Martin would not, Martin on the fourth line was the answer, all the Rangers had to do was top the Isles offer. It is doubtful the Rangers will find a guy like Martin that can actually play. The last time the piles went to the playoffs the fourth line of Martin, Clutterbuck and Cizikas was outstanding. Welcome back Cody McLeod lol.

True...Im not sure who else is out there...Gazdic?....Perhaps Beleskey can bring the noise...and Kreider has to be given the freedom to use his power speed and strength out there
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Calvin Dehaan to Carolina....Just gets better for the Isles lol
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I'll play devil's advocate here: how do we know Gorts didn't try and, if he did, what the asking price was?

Just because the Laughs gave him up to the Piles for a minor league goalie does not mean that's the same asking price they extended to the Rangers. Also, we don't know the circumstances that led to this deal....for all we know, it could be the equivalent of baseball's "future considerations" or an underhanded "thank you" for screwing up the Tavares situation.


Well that's it. They wanted a prospect, so how far up our depth chart are you willing to go to out bid NYI for Martin?

We can't offer equal to that minor league goalie, we would need to do better than that to win the bid....

As for the Martin can play and punch guys in the face.... so what? I say this every time we talk about bringing in an "enforcer." No one is scared of one guy. No one is thinking twice about laying a hit and playing hard because Matt Martin is on the other team. It doesn't happen. He's not preventing anything. Matter of fact, he's an aggitator, so he gets the other team to play physical. Games get nastier with Martin in the lineup. Tough guys see other tough guys as a challenge, not a deterrent.

The best thing that happens is he retaliates. Someone hits our guy, and he either drops the gloves, or takes a run at one of their players. It's not prevention, it's retaliation.

I'd rather give the spot to a guy who can play and get better, then a guy who can play and hit.... and pay nothing
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Martin was a healthy scratch last 3rd of the season for the Leafs...who knows what he has left....Clutterbuck is just a pest who is shot anyway...Czeekis is a pain in the ass
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Perhaps we have to talk to Maroon?



Maroon is going to get a good contract and he is the prototype Ranger past dumb signing. He’s going to get to much money and term for what he will bring the Rangers. They don’t need to be trying to dump him 2 years down the road. He is what Rob should be worrying about. He’s not a fourth line player like Martin and would take away opportunity for younger players. Martin would not, Martin on the fourth line was the answer, all the Rangers had to do was top the Isles offer. It is doubtful the Rangers will find a guy like Martin that can actually play. The last time the piles went to the playoffs the fourth line of Martin, Clutterbuck and Cizikas was outstanding. Welcome back Cody McLeod lol.
You don't know that an offer wasn't made..



Didn't say one wasn't. If it was it wasnt enough. Its all a moot point now, until the Rangers address the issue of adding one or two Martin types. When it is addressed, a little better offer for Martin might look like a pretty good deal.
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Mjolnir - 2018-07-03 10:05 PM

I'll play devil's advocate here: how do we know Gorts didn't try and, if he did, what the asking price was?

Just because the Laughs gave him up to the Piles for a minor league goalie does not mean that's the same asking price they extended to the Rangers. Also, we don't know the circumstances that led to this deal....for all we know, it could be the equivalent of baseball's "future considerations" or an underhanded "thank you" for screwing up the Tavares situation.


Well that's it. They wanted a prospect, so how far up our depth chart are you willing to go to out bid NYI for Martin?

We can't offer equal to that minor league goalie, we would need to do better than that to win the bid....

As for the Martin can play and punch guys in the face.... so what? I say this every time we talk about bringing in an "enforcer." No one is scared of one guy. No one is thinking twice about laying a hit and playing hard because Matt Martin is on the other team. It doesn't happen. He's not preventing anything. Matter of fact, he's an aggitator, so he gets the other team to play physical. Games get nastier with Martin in the lineup. Tough guys see other tough guys as a challenge, not a deterrent.

The best thing that happens is he retaliates. Someone hits our guy, and he either drops the gloves, or takes a run at one of their players. It's not prevention, it's retaliation.

I'd rather give the spot to a guy who can play and get better, then a guy who can play and hit.... and pay nothing





Try watching a game and seeing reality not what you want to see in your pacifist mind, the Rangers better have somebody that can dish it out. Martin will be running every player he can, its what he does. And he and other teams similars will keep doing it as long as it goes unaddressed. The point is about the cost and effect of Martins cap on the Rangers which was so minimal it was humorous. Whether they took a shot at him or not, it was a opportunity to fill a need cheaply big body fourth line crash and bang, but its ok the Rangers have Jesper.
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Martin was a healthy scratch last 3rd of the season for the Leafs...who knows what he has left....Clutterbuck is just a pest who is shot anyway...Czeekis is a pain in the ass



Martins last season on the Island, that line was hyped as the best fourth line in the league. It helped get them in the playoffs.His personal play got him the excellent "for him" contract from Toronto. Imagine Lou Lamoriello signing Martin to a four year deal to look after his young players, at Babcock's request, disagreeing with Rob.
Again Martin isn't the be all end all for the Rangers, but when the rangers go to find a similar type and they will, it might get expensive.
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Mjolnir - 2018-07-03 10:05 PM

I'll play devil's advocate here: how do we know Gorts didn't try and, if he did, what the asking price was?

Just because the Laughs gave him up to the Piles for a minor league goalie does not mean that's the same asking price they extended to the Rangers. Also, we don't know the circumstances that led to this deal....for all we know, it could be the equivalent of baseball's "future considerations" or an underhanded "thank you" for screwing up the Tavares situation.


Well that's it. They wanted a prospect, so how far up our depth chart are you willing to go to out bid NYI for Martin?

We can't offer equal to that minor league goalie, we would need to do better than that to win the bid....

As for the Martin can play and punch guys in the face.... so what? I say this every time we talk about bringing in an "enforcer." No one is scared of one guy. No one is thinking twice about laying a hit and playing hard because Matt Martin is on the other team. It doesn't happen. He's not preventing anything. Matter of fact, he's an aggitator, so he gets the other team to play physical. Games get nastier with Martin in the lineup. Tough guys see other tough guys as a challenge, not a deterrent.

The best thing that happens is he retaliates. Someone hits our guy, and he either drops the gloves, or takes a run at one of their players. It's not prevention, it's retaliation.

I'd rather give the spot to a guy who can play and get better, then a guy who can play and hit.... and pay nothing





Try watching a game and seeing reality not what you want to see in your pacifist mind, the Rangers better have somebody that can dish it out. Martin will be running every player he can, its what he does. And he and other teams similars will keep doing it as long as it goes unaddressed. The point is about the cost and effect of Martins cap on the Rangers which was so minimal it was humorous. Whether they took a shot at him or not, it was a opportunity to fill a need cheaply big body fourth line crash and bang, but its ok the Rangers have Jesper.


You think Martin is going to stop playing his style hockey if the other team also has a tough guy? You think that if he hits someone on the other team, and someone drops the gloves with him.... that he'll just stop hitting guys once he's out of the box???

I don't. And it's not because I'm a pacifist.... quite the contrary, I play a physical brand of hockey when I play.... that's how I know! No one is going to stop me from hitting.... no one.

No one is going to prevent Matt Martin from playing like Matt Martin.... all they can do is be physical back. That's how it works!

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Martin was a healthy scratch last 3rd of the season for the Leafs...who knows what he has left....Clutterbuck is just a pest who is shot anyway...Czeekis is a pain in the ass



Martins last season on the Island, that line was hyped as the best fourth line in the league. It helped get them in the playoffs.His personal play got him the excellent "for him" contract from Toronto. Imagine Lou Lamoriello signing Martin to a four year deal to look after his young players, at Babcock's request, disagreeing with Rob.
Again Martin isn't the be all end all for the Rangers, but when the rangers go to find a similar type and they will, it might get expensive.

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Mjolnir - 2018-07-03 10:05 PM

I'll play devil's advocate here: how do we know Gorts didn't try and, if he did, what the asking price was?

Just because the Laughs gave him up to the Piles for a minor league goalie does not mean that's the same asking price they extended to the Rangers. Also, we don't know the circumstances that led to this deal....for all we know, it could be the equivalent of baseball's "future considerations" or an underhanded "thank you" for screwing up the Tavares situation.


Well that's it. They wanted a prospect, so how far up our depth chart are you willing to go to out bid NYI for Martin?

We can't offer equal to that minor league goalie, we would need to do better than that to win the bid....

As for the Martin can play and punch guys in the face.... so what? I say this every time we talk about bringing in an "enforcer." No one is scared of one guy. No one is thinking twice about laying a hit and playing hard because Matt Martin is on the other team. It doesn't happen. He's not preventing anything. Matter of fact, he's an aggitator, so he gets the other team to play physical. Games get nastier with Martin in the lineup. Tough guys see other tough guys as a challenge, not a deterrent.

The best thing that happens is he retaliates. Someone hits our guy, and he either drops the gloves, or takes a run at one of their players. It's not prevention, it's retaliation.

I'd rather give the spot to a guy who can play and get better, then a guy who can play and hit.... and pay nothing





Try watching a game and seeing reality not what you want to see in your pacifist mind, the Rangers better have somebody that can dish it out. Martin will be running every player he can, its what he does. And he and other teams similars will keep doing it as long as it goes unaddressed. The point is about the cost and effect of Martins cap on the Rangers which was so minimal it was humorous. Whether they took a shot at him or not, it was a opportunity to fill a need cheaply big body fourth line crash and bang, but its ok the Rangers have Jesper.


You think Martin is going to stop playing his style hockey if the other team also has a tough guy? You think that if he hits someone on the other team, and someone drops the gloves with him.... that he'll just stop hitting guys once he's out of the box???

I don't. And it's not because I'm a pacifist.... quite the contrary, I play a physical brand of hockey when I play.... that's how I know! No one is going to stop me from hitting.... no one.

No one is going to prevent Matt Martin from playing like Matt Martin.... all they can do is be physical back. That's how it works!





Rob comparing beer league to NHL is your problem. When you figure out the difference let us know. I’m sorry but I’m going to have to side with Lou on his one.
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I'm not sure Lou got him as a deterrent.... he got him for what he is! A big physical presence. He's hard to play against, and for that, I wouldn't mind him on my team.... but I'd rather play Howden if he's ready. So rather then pay Martin 2+ million to wear a suit in the sky box, and give up Fontaine to get him on top of it? Pass....
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Perhaps we have to talk to Maroon?



Maroon is going to get a good contract and he is the prototype Ranger past dumb signing. He’s going to get to much money and term for what he will bring the Rangers. They don’t need to be trying to dump him 2 years down the road. He is what Rob should be worrying about. He’s not a fourth line player like Martin and would take away opportunity for younger players. Martin would not, Martin on the fourth line was the answer, all the Rangers had to do was top the Isles offer. It is doubtful the Rangers will find a guy like Martin that can actually play. The last time the piles went to the playoffs the fourth line of Martin, Clutterbuck and Cizikas was outstanding. Welcome back Cody McLeod lol.
You don't know that an offer wasn't made..



Didn't say one wasn't. If it was it wasnt enough. Its all a moot point now, until the Rangers address the issue of adding one or two Martin types. When it is addressed, a little better offer for Martin might look like a pretty good deal.


Didn't say one wasn't. If it was it wasnt enough. Its all a moot point now, until the Rangers address the issue of adding one or two Martin types. When it is addressed, a little better offer for Martin might look like a pretty good deal. You're in an uproar because the Rangers didn't acquire (essentially) a goon and it seems you won't be happy until they get one or two. Waste of time and roster space because that's not going to stop the Martins from running roughshod all over the ice.

You need a TEAM that will show it's not going to allow themselves to be run out of the rink...t just one or two players who have an average ice time of 5 minutes a game.

Right now, we have a new coach, new system, new players and no idea on how they will mesh. We have no idea what our "vets" will handle themselves as well. Until you do, there's no point trading for and/or signing marginal players of Martin's ilk.

For what it's worth, I read the following about his end in Toronto (and yes Rangers were mentioned as a possible interested destination:

https://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/2018/7/3/17531034/rumours-abound-...

"As the Leafs got faster, and deep enough to play a fast-skating, high-offensive pace fourth line, Martin’s usage dropped. He played in only 50 games last year, drawing in late in the season to face teams like the Sabres, but giving way in the playoffs to Andreas Johnsson and Josh Leivo.

For teams with less depth and no ability to put out a fourth line of that sort, he might be the right kind of player for right now. The rebuilding Rangers are certainly one of those teams, and he’d be an asset to them. The Islanders might think getting the band back together is a good idea too."

Not sure what kind of fourth line they were talking about -- I'm going to assume a speedy one.

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Perhaps we have to talk to Maroon?



Maroon is going to get a good contract and he is the prototype Ranger past dumb signing. He’s going to get to much money and term for what he will bring the Rangers. They don’t need to be trying to dump him 2 years down the road. He is what Rob should be worrying about. He’s not a fourth line player like Martin and would take away opportunity for younger players. Martin would not, Martin on the fourth line was the answer, all the Rangers had to do was top the Isles offer. It is doubtful the Rangers will find a guy like Martin that can actually play. The last time the piles went to the playoffs the fourth line of Martin, Clutterbuck and Cizikas was outstanding. Welcome back Cody McLeod lol.
You don't know that an offer wasn't made..



Didn't say one wasn't. If it was it wasnt enough. Its all a moot point now, until the Rangers address the issue of adding one or two Martin types. When it is addressed, a little better offer for Martin might look like a pretty good deal.
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Mikey Red - 2018-07-03 1:58 PM

Perhaps we have to talk to Maroon?



Maroon is going to get a good contract and he is the prototype Ranger past dumb signing. He’s going to get to much money and term for what he will bring the Rangers. They don’t need to be trying to dump him 2 years down the road. He is what Rob should be worrying about. He’s not a fourth line player like Martin and would take away opportunity for younger players. Martin would not, Martin on the fourth line was the answer, all the Rangers had to do was top the Isles offer. It is doubtful the Rangers will find a guy like Martin that can actually play. The last time the piles went to the playoffs the fourth line of Martin, Clutterbuck and Cizikas was outstanding. Welcome back Cody McLeod lol.
You don't know that an offer wasn't made..



Didn't say one wasn't. If it was it wasnt enough. Its all a moot point now, until the Rangers address the issue of adding one or two Martin types. When it is addressed, a little better offer for Martin might look like a pretty good deal.
You're in an uproar because the Rangers didn't acquire (essentially) a goon and it seems you won't be happy until they get one or two. Waste of time and roster space because that's not going to stop the Martins from running roughshod all over the ice.

You need a TEAM that will show it's not going to allow themselves to be run out of the rink...t just one or two players who have an average ice time of 5 minutes a game.

Right now, we have a new coach, new system, new players and no idea on how they will mesh. We have no idea what our "vets" will handle themselves as well. Until you do, there's no point trading for and/or signing marginal players of Martin's ilk.

For what it's worth, I read the following about his end in Toronto (and yes Rangers were mentioned as a possible interested destination:

https://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/2018/7/3/17531034/rumours-abound-...

"As the Leafs got faster, and deep enough to play a fast-skating, high-offensive pace fourth line, Martin’s usage dropped. He played in only 50 games last year, drawing in late in the season to face teams like the Sabres, but giving way in the playoffs to Andreas Johnsson and Josh Leivo.

For teams with less depth and no ability to put out a fourth line of that sort, he might be the right kind of player for right now. The rebuilding Rangers are certainly one of those teams, and he’d be an asset to them. The Islanders might think getting the band back together is a good idea too."

Not sure what kind of fourth line they were talking about -- I'm going to assume a speedy one.





Believe what you want, your article says nothing another blogger can’t argue. A dumbo like Lou thinks he’s worth picking up, maybe payment for allowing Toronto to sign Tavares, like you suggested. If so Lou must really like Martin.
No one is saying Martin is a fit for Washington, the article does point out Martin is possibly being a fit for the Rangers or a team in a similar mode like the Isles. Kids need veteran leadership which comes in many different forms. A Martin standing up for a kid has value just like other assets other players bring, a lot of whom who don’t bring much of anything.

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I'm not saying I believe any of it because I don't watch the Laughs so I can't say one way or the other whether any of it is true...but it's common knowledge he lost his job for whatever reason.

(Washington???? where did that come from?)
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I'm not saying I believe any of it because I don't watch the Laughs so I can't say one way or the other whether any of it is true...but it's common knowledge he lost his job for whatever reason.

(Washington???? where did that come from?)



Washington is a obvious example of a team not in need of his services, because they have Tom Wilson who can play at a higher level, and a mature team. Players like him are very important. I’ve said it about three times on here, Martin is not the be all end all for the Rangers but he does fit a need they have, went to the Isles to a GM who knows him as well as anyone. A team in the same building mode as the Rangers. For good reason he was picked up by Lou.
Right now it’s wait and see what Gorton does to address the issue and he has to and he will, then see the cost and advantage if any.
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Lou seems to be stacking up 4rh liners so...and Lou is sneaky enough to have had that deal in the works and/or done long before it became apparent that Martin was "expendable".

As for the Rangers, I still don't see it as an issue. There are way too many unknowns.
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I'm not saying I believe any of it because I don't watch the Laughs so I can't say one way or the other whether any of it is true...but it's common knowledge he lost his job for whatever reason.

(Washington???? where did that come from?)



Washington is a obvious example of a team not in need of his services, because they have Tom Wilson who can play at a higher level, and a mature team. Players like him are very important. I’ve said it about three times on here, Martin is not the be all end all for the Rangers but he does fit a need they have, went to the Isles to a GM who knows him as well as anyone. A team in the same building mode as the Rangers. For good reason he was picked up by Lou.
Right now it’s wait and see what Gorton does to address the issue and he has to and he will, then see the cost and advantage if any.
Washington also had a team that was not afraid to use the body.....Wilson was just the icing on the cake.
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I'm not sure Lou got him as a deterrent.... he got him for what he is! A big physical presence. He's hard to play against, and for that, I wouldn't mind him on my team.... but I'd rather play Howden if he's ready. So rather then pay Martin 2+ million to wear a suit in the sky box, and give up Fontaine to get him on top of it? Pass....





Which is exactly why the Rangers should have got hm. They don’t have anybody to fill that role on the fourth line. The fact he drops his mitts once in a while is a bonus. Howden can still be on the team.
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I'm not sure Lou got him as a deterrent.... he got him for what he is! A big physical presence. He's hard to play against, and for that, I wouldn't mind him on my team.... but I'd rather play Howden if he's ready. So rather then pay Martin 2+ million to wear a suit in the sky box, and give up Fontaine to get him on top of it? Pass....





Which is exactly why the Rangers should have got hm. They don’t have anybody to fill that role on the fourth line. The fact he drops his mitts once in a while is a bonus. Howden can still be on the team.


The Rangers have plenty of guys to try on the 4th line. They do not need to have a professional 4th liner at this point.
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I'm not sure Lou got him as a deterrent.... he got him for what he is! A big physical presence. He's hard to play against, and for that, I wouldn't mind him on my team.... but I'd rather play Howden if he's ready. So rather then pay Martin 2+ million to wear a suit in the sky box, and give up Fontaine to get him on top of it? Pass....





Which is exactly why the Rangers should have got hm. They don’t have anybody to fill that role on the fourth line. The fact he drops his mitts once in a while is a bonus. Howden can still be on the team.


The Rangers have plenty of guys to try on the 4th line. They do not need to have a professional 4th liner at this point.




And they have who with a sack? NOBODY !!!! It was a huge problem last year. Playing more than one kid on the fourth is another disaster in waiting. They need to move some easy to play against professional fourth liners guys out and get some guys not so easy to play against in.
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Right now, I have our bottom 6 as

Spooner Andersson Meskanen (or Lettieri... or someone else who earns it in camp)
Vesey Hayes Fast

I suppose Martin or one of these goons you want could be plugged in to one of those wing spots, but to say Howden could play also is a stretch at best.
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I'm with MJ on this one. It's about team toughness, not one guy. Hopefully Quinn pushes the idea of sticking up for one another, and playing a tough brand.
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And they have who with a sack? NOBODY !!!! It was a huge problem last year. Playing more than one kid on the fourth is another disaster in waiting. They need to move some easy to play against professional fourth liners guys out and get some guys not so easy to play against in.
So what if there's one player "with a sack"???? What does it accomplish? Absolutely nothing....we saw it when they tried to goon it up Cashmere, Boogaard, etc.. We saw it again with the likes of McLeod and Tan-Tan. You don't need ONE guy "with a sack" -- you need A TEAM "with a sack". Until that happens, all the Martins in the world will be useless.
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I'm with MJ on this one. It's about team toughness, not one guy. Hopefully Quinn pushes the idea of sticking up for one another, and playing a tough brand.
Wonderful concept of team toughness.Besides Kreider please list 5 other guys on this team expected to play this year,that help in this area.I can't think of 1.With the possible exception of Miller,they did nothing to address it at the draft this year.If they keep picking 80% Euros it will never happen.
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Wonderful concept of team toughness.Besides Kreider please list 5 other guys on this team expected to play this year,that help in this area.I can't think of 1.With the possible exception of Miller,they did nothing to address it at the draft this year.If they keep picking 80% Euros it will never happen.


Indeed it is....but as I stated before, there are way to many unknowns to answer your question. How do we know there aren't more besides Kreider and Zuc? (Hayes and Zub are possibles

It all starts with Hockey 101 fundamentals: (a) play the man, not the puck; (b) body check the last guy to touch the puck; (c) make some semblance of a stand at the blue line and body the puck carrier to the outside or into the boards....they don't have to be bone crushing hits.... but they will be the first steps toward ending the free reign opponents have had on the ice since the first lockout.

When push comes to shove, I do believe half the players on the current roster will be gone by the 2019-20 season.

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robstones - 2018-07-04 5:12 PM

I'm with MJ on this one. It's about team toughness, not one guy. Hopefully Quinn pushes the idea of sticking up for one another, and playing a tough brand.
Wonderful concept of team toughness.Besides Kreider please list 5 other guys on this team expected to play this year,that help in this area.I can't think of 1.With the possible exception of Miller,they did nothing to address it at the draft this year.If they keep picking 80% Euros it will never happen.


I thought everybody was claiming AV was holding these guys back? I think Hayes and Vesey, if coached to, can and would stick up for a teammate. Zucc would... they all could and would imo. No one is scared of Buchnevich.... and they don't have to be... it's just a matter of being told that this is part of our culture now.

Andersson, Lindgren.... they say Kravtsov plays with an edge... Howden.... You name em. Just because they haven't, doesn't mean they won't

It's like Torts and his emphasis on shot blocking... players that normally don't block shots, do under Tortorella.

We just have to hope the philosophy of team toughness is something Quinn stresses...
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Vesey could help in this area possible but Hayes is probably the biggest pu*sy in the league.I've never seen him ever go out of his way to throw a check,or be the first guy to help when there is a scrum on the ice.This team with the way it's put together now will never be tough.
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Vesey could help in this area possible but Hayes is probably the biggest pu*sy in the league.I've never seen him ever go out of his way to throw a check,or be the first guy to help when there is a scrum on the ice.This team with the way it's put together now will never be tough.
We'll soon find out. Considering how many players AV neutered, I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. He's not the only one who played the same way and there were so many instances where any player on any given night would shy away from a simple body check.
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Like I said Vesey I could very well see playing tougher under Quinn.Saw a few glimpses of it under AV.Never saw any aggression out of Hayes and I don't believe he has it in him.He will have to prove otherwise.The rest of the team is the same way to me.No one else ever had any type of significant penalty minutes before coming here,so they have to change their way of playing.I really don't see it happening.
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Which is why, as I stated above, I believe half of them will be gone after next season (if not before).
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Keep preaching brother.I'm onboard with it.
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Right now, I have our bottom 6 as

Spooner Andersson Meskanen (or Lettieri... or someone else who earns it in camp)
Vesey Hayes Fast

I suppose Martin or one of these goons you want could be plugged in to one of those wing spots, but to say Howden could play also is a stretch at best.




Meskanen or Lettieri lol. Get real. The Rangers are so lucky you have the lines all figured out. I'm sure Gorton will be calling you for them. Rob learn to read and comprehend. Howden could play is in response to if Martin is on the team it doesn't mean Howden can't be. That's all doesn't say he will, just he still can be. read slow and comprehend.
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And they have who with a sack? NOBODY !!!! It was a huge problem last year. Playing more than one kid on the fourth is another disaster in waiting. They need to move some easy to play against professional fourth liners guys out and get some guys not so easy to play against in.
So what if there's one player "with a sack"???? What does it accomplish? Absolutely nothing....we saw it when they tried to goon it up Cashmere, Boogaard, etc.. We saw it again with the likes of McLeod and Tan-Tan. You don't need ONE guy "with a sack" -- you need A TEAM "with a sack". Until that happens, all the Martins in the world will be useless.



Nice speech of course you need team toughness, and you need a leader or two in that department.
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Leaders play more than 5 minutes a game.




Leaders in the physical and energy department play the appropriate minutes.
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I'm with MJ on this one. It's about team toughness, not one guy. Hopefully Quinn pushes the idea of sticking up for one another, and playing a tough brand.
Wonderful concept of team toughness.Besides Kreider please list 5 other guys on this team expected to play this year,that help in this area.I can't think of 1.With the possible exception of Miller,they did nothing to address it at the draft this year.If they keep picking 80% Euros it will never happen.




Yup go down the roster, Quinn is going to come in wave his sherwood hockey stick and leopards are going to change their spots. The Rangers are about as weak as they have ever been. Quinn has a huge job to do with the status quo roster.
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During the playoffs this year when Wilson came back after his 4 game suspension, Keith Jones stated that everyone on Washington just grew 2 inches and gained 10-15 pounds. Because thats what having a physical guy like Wilson on your team does. It makes everyone a little more physical and a little tougher to play against....Just try to think of ONE goaltender that gets run into more than Hank....We've had no one willing to make the other team pay for it and it just continued and continued, game after game, period after period.

Maybe that's something to think about in this debate.
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No one is discounting that, RJ...what we don't know is who is capable of growing and gaining, as you put it. And most of the suggestions here only address one particular segment of the overall problem. We've had "leaders" (I still shiver thinking about Shanny taking on Cashmere); we've had physical d-men (Stralman, Klein) who were neutered by that fool. If I were a Ranger, I'd be ashamed to see someone like Zucc play like he's got RedBull in his veins and he's half my size.

I still say it starts with simple, basic fundamentals....You can't throw simple body check, you're useless....This is what management is going to find out this year.

For what it's worth, Rangers haven't been a fundamentally sound team in decades....

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No one is discounting that, RJ...what we don't know is who is capable of growing and gaining, as you put it. And most of the suggestions here only address one particular segment of the overall problem. We've had "leaders" (I still shiver thinking about Shanny taking on Cashmere); we've had physical d-men (Stralman, Klein) who were neutered by that fool. If I were a Ranger, I'd be ashamed to see someone like Zucc play like he's got RedBull in his veins and he's half my size.

I still say it starts with simple, basic fundamentals....You can't throw simple body check, you're useless....This is what management is going to find out this year.

For what it's worth, Rangers haven't been a fundamentally sound team in decades....


This is very true.

Everyone is now loving to talk about the one tough guy that the Caps have (Wilson), but what made them tough to play against was the nature of playing a great balance of physical and finesse.

Somehow, the Pens won 2 straight cups without any semblance of a "Wilson"....but they played a team toughness game (not a fighting game, but a team that took the body, was hard on the forecheck, and worked their asses off). This is what we should want.


The little "experts" will list our defenseman, and somehow see some sort of value in Beleskey (lol), then whine about how no one is afraid of them.

But hey, we didn't trade for Martin, so they are all doomed.
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Gilmour, Pionk, TD, Staal, Skjei, Shatt, scare absolutely nobody...We have Belesekey thats it




Fast, Buchnevich, Zibanejad, Hayes, don’t exactly make anybody look to see where they are either. What’s being brought up here is the Rangers are soft as jello. The Rangers have no players with the exception of Zuccarello who’s shown the disposition to go out and initiate much of anything in the physical play department. As in body contact and driving to hard places on the ice to play. Quinn has to establish a game plan that includes how they are going to inorporate physical play into the game plan. It has to be part of it. Retaliation isn’t just punching someone in the nose like Rob is so worried about. It’s about winning puck battles after losing one, and winning physical battles after losing one. It’s about not quitting because the other team is making it tough out there. You know like the Rangers did under dumbo. Punching someone in the nose is just a bonus if they get out of line. Makes your team feel better. They don’t stand on the bench banging their sticks on the boards because they don’t like it. It gives them energy, they like it. Nothing the matter with a Martin on your fourth line over mutts that run and hide when the game gets tough.
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Mikey Red - 2018-07-05 8:25 AM

Gilmour, Pionk, TD, Staal, Skjei, Shatt, scare absolutely nobody...We have Belesekey thats it




Fast, Buchnevich, Zibanejad, Hayes, don’t exactly make anybody look to see where they are either. What’s being brought up here is the Rangers are soft as jello. The Rangers have no players with the exception of Zuccarello who’s shown the disposition to go out and initiate much of anything in the physical play department. As in body contact and driving to hard places on the ice to play. Quinn has to establish a game plan that includes how they are going to inorporate physical play into the game plan. It has to be part of it. Retaliation isn’t just punching someone in the nose like Rob is so worried about. It’s about winning puck battles after losing one, and winning physical battles after losing one. It’s about not quitting because the other team is making it tough out there. You know like the Rangers did under dumbo. Punching someone in the nose is just a bonus if they get out of line. Makes your team feel better. They don’t stand on the bench banging their sticks on the boards because they don’t like it. It gives them energy, they like it. Nothing the matter with a Martin on your fourth line over mutts that run and hide when the game gets tough.

yep ...pudding soft....too many establishment forum members that dont post their own thoughts EASILY forget that our team has no push back players on it.....Pittsburgh did
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Mikey Red - 2018-07-05 8:25 AM

Gilmour, Pionk, TD, Staal, Skjei, Shatt, scare absolutely nobody...We have Belesekey thats it




Fast, Buchnevich, Zibanejad, Hayes, don’t exactly make anybody look to see where they are either. What’s being brought up here is the Rangers are soft as jello. The Rangers have no players with the exception of Zuccarello who’s shown the disposition to go out and initiate much of anything in the physical play department. As in body contact and driving to hard places on the ice to play. Quinn has to establish a game plan that includes how they are going to inorporate physical play into the game plan. It has to be part of it. Retaliation isn’t just punching someone in the nose like Rob is so worried about. It’s about winning puck battles after losing one, and winning physical battles after losing one. It’s about not quitting because the other team is making it tough out there. You know like the Rangers did under dumbo. Punching someone in the nose is just a bonus if they get out of line. Makes your team feel better. They don’t stand on the bench banging their sticks on the boards because they don’t like it. It gives them energy, they like it. Nothing the matter with a Martin on your fourth line over mutts that run and hide when the game gets tough.


I won't debate Dumbo's "strategies" -- I still cringe when I recall players shying away from a simple body check because HE thought it was essential you didn't hit people because you might take penalties or because a wrong move got you pinned to the bench for long stretches at a time. I think a good portion of this teams performance over the last years was a direct result of his pansy play philosophy.

Now, I could be wrong about this roster, but I'm willing to give them a chance to prove me wrong.

You're saying pretty much the exact same things I'm saying -- and what you've described is fundamental hockey. I believe Quinn will attempt to establish just such a game plan.
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Rranger - 2018-07-05 11:51 AM

Mikey Red - 2018-07-05 8:25 AM

Gilmour, Pionk, TD, Staal, Skjei, Shatt, scare absolutely nobody...We have Belesekey thats it




Fast, Buchnevich, Zibanejad, Hayes, don’t exactly make anybody look to see where they are either. What’s being brought up here is the Rangers are soft as jello. The Rangers have no players with the exception of Zuccarello who’s shown the disposition to go out and initiate much of anything in the physical play department. As in body contact and driving to hard places on the ice to play. Quinn has to establish a game plan that includes how they are going to inorporate physical play into the game plan. It has to be part of it. Retaliation isn’t just punching someone in the nose like Rob is so worried about. It’s about winning puck battles after losing one, and winning physical battles after losing one. It’s about not quitting because the other team is making it tough out there. You know like the Rangers did under dumbo. Punching someone in the nose is just a bonus if they get out of line. Makes your team feel better. They don’t stand on the bench banging their sticks on the boards because they don’t like it. It gives them energy, they like it. Nothing the matter with a Martin on your fourth line over mutts that run and hide when the game gets tough.

yep ...pudding soft....too many establishment forum members that dont post their own thoughts EASILY forget that our team has no push back players on it.....Pittsburgh did


Yeah!!!

Orpik, Kunitz, Neal they never had a fight in their lives!!

I have to read more I guess!
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Gilmour, Pionk, TD, Staal, Skjei, Shatt, scare absolutely nobody...We have Belesekey thats it




Fast, Buchnevich, Zibanejad, Hayes, don’t exactly make anybody look to see where they are either. What’s being brought up here is the Rangers are soft as jello. The Rangers have no players with the exception of Zuccarello who’s shown the disposition to go out and initiate much of anything in the physical play department. As in body contact and driving to hard places on the ice to play. Quinn has to establish a game plan that includes how they are going to inorporate physical play into the game plan. It has to be part of it. Retaliation isn’t just punching someone in the nose like Rob is so worried about. It’s about winning puck battles after losing one, and winning physical battles after losing one. It’s about not quitting because the other team is making it tough out there. You know like the Rangers did under dumbo. Punching someone in the nose is just a bonus if they get out of line. Makes your team feel better. They don’t stand on the bench banging their sticks on the boards because they don’t like it. It gives them energy, they like it. Nothing the matter with a Martin on your fourth line over mutts that run and hide when the game gets tough.

yep ...pudding soft....too many establishment forum members that dont post their own thoughts EASILY forget that our team has no push back players on it.....Pittsburgh did


Yeah!!!

Orpik, Kunitz, Neal they never had a fight in their lives!!

I have to read more I guess!

Lol yep EASILY you have to read more...Even Crosby will punch a guy back
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Posted 2018-07-05 6:04 PM (#707818 - in reply to #706448)
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So we r gonna take callahan back from tb to let them trade for karlson. So smart.
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Posted 2018-07-05 6:23 PM (#707819 - in reply to #706448)
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To do that we better get a good sweetener from TB. We get an advantage if they win the cup since we'd get their 1st rounder in the 2019 draft, but that is not enough. We'd need to be 100% sure that Cally's 5.8 mill cap hit doesn't hinder us next summer/season (it isn't an issue this season). And we also need to be mindful that we'll have to go through TB for a few years as we get good, so helping them stock up might not be ideal.

I'd also add, I guess Karlsson is taking a no state income tax in Florida big discount. If you look at the cap hits on that team it is a huge edge. Hedman, Stamkos, McDonagh all took less. They get a huge edge down there, and credit to Stevie Y for playing that to his advantage,


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Posted 2018-07-05 6:23 PM (#707820 - in reply to #707818)
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So we r gonna take callahan back from tb to let them trade for karlson. So smart.




I’ve seen the stories and am following this one. It better be a significant perk to suck up Callahan’s last two years. Anyone who thinks he would come back and sustain a style like before he was traded will be dissapointed. Make no mistake his tank is just about empty.

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Posted 2018-07-05 7:25 PM (#707821 - in reply to #706448)
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Am hearing the stall between completing the deal between TBL and OTT is an extension other than that I am hearing there is a verbal agreement on a trade that would send Erik Karlsson to the Lightning.
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Keep hearing Rangers are in fact involved, if they pull out last second... Yzerman has to find a new 3rd team to take on salary, obviously with key pieces going to the respective team.
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Posted 2018-07-05 7:57 PM (#707822 - in reply to #706448)
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Yes, Cally's tank just about empty AND he will miss 2 months of this season (if not more) AND we will be giving TB a ridiculous team to try and win a cup (good for this coming season since we'll suck and TB winning means we get their 1st).

We need to realize after this coming season we'll have to contend with TB AND Cally's 5.8 cap hit better not hinder us at all next summer AND we better get a very good piece to help facilitate this. Otherwise I will start to really wonder if Gorton is Y's bi*ch.



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Posted 2018-07-05 8:12 PM (#707823 - in reply to #706448)
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If Tampa is getting Karlsson, one of their RHD has to go somewhere, so maybe we get 1 year of Anton Stralman and Ryan Callahan for 2 years.... a combined salary of 10.3 million, which is about what Karlsson would sign for... he wants 11, right?
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Posted 2018-07-05 8:20 PM (#707824 - in reply to #706448)
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Posted 2018-07-05 8:47 PM (#707825 - in reply to #706448)
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If Gorton facilitated this for almost nothing and took awful Cally contract I will be pissed. We better get a solid asset here.





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Posted 2018-07-05 8:47 PM (#707826 - in reply to #706448)
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If Tampa wins The Cup, they should give The Conn Smythe to Gorton
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Posted 2018-07-05 8:49 PM (#707827 - in reply to #706448)
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Yes...LOL. And if we got a whatever asset we should fire Gorton and let him go work for TB (if he isn't already on their payroll).


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Posted 2018-07-05 9:01 PM (#707828 - in reply to #706448)
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No confirmation on the report out of Ottawa that a deal is done pending a trade call and while sense is this might be getting close, it's sounds like it's not to that point yet
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Posted 2018-07-06 7:11 AM (#707831 - in reply to #706448)
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This could be interesting...Lets see Gorton botch another one
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Posted 2018-07-06 7:21 AM (#707832 - in reply to #707831)
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This could be interesting...Lets see Gorton botch another one





Yes pick up a 5.8 contract as a favour, and receiving a perk to do so, all the while the bearer of the 5.8 contract will suckup a roster spot while playing with a banged up body, his better and healthier days clearly behind him. Loved him as a Ranger but its over. Would have rather had Martin, who would have done anything Callahan will do now, probably better. Better be good cheese coming on this deal.
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Posted 2018-07-06 7:27 AM (#707833 - in reply to #707832)
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This could be interesting...Lets see Gorton botch another one





Yes pick up a 5.8 contract as a favour, and receiving a perk to do so, all the while the bearer of the 5.8 contract will suckup a roster spot while playing with a banged up body, his better and healthier days clearly behind him. Loved him as a Ranger but its over. Would have rather had Martin, who would have done anything Callahan will do now, probably better. Better be good cheese coming on this deal.

Absolutely...I want Cally and a good non Euro kid if we are doing it
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Posted 2018-07-06 7:41 AM (#707834 - in reply to #706448)
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For all the talk of the NYR possibly being the 3rd team in the OTT/TB potential trade, I'm told the Devils have also been in the mix and may possibly be the 3rd team when all is said and done. Not set in stone, but NJ has been involved in these talks.
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Posted 2018-07-06 8:19 AM (#707835 - in reply to #707834)
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For all the talk of the NYR possibly being the 3rd team in the OTT/TB potential trade, I'm told the Devils have also been in the mix and may possibly be the 3rd team when all is said and done. Not set in stone, but NJ has been involved in these talks.
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Good....don't want Rangers involved in this nonsense.
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Posted 2018-07-06 9:00 AM (#707836 - in reply to #706448)
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I'll gladly take a free asset in return for Dolan writing some checks. Not wanting to be involved in that makes no sense. Rangers have a valuable asset next year - cap space - that they should definitely use in order to get something else of value, whether it's this trade or another (there are plenty of bad contracts that opposing GMs want to shed). If you don't use the cap space you're just wasting it.

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Posted 2018-07-06 9:08 AM (#707837 - in reply to #707835)
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For all the talk of the NYR possibly being the 3rd team in the OTT/TB potential trade, I'm told the Devils have also been in the mix and may possibly be the 3rd team when all is said and done. Not set in stone, but NJ has been involved in these talks.
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Good....don't want Rangers involved in this nonsense.


Why not? Assets for using Ranger cap space for a couple years. It's what they should be doing. As long as Dolan is willing to foot the bill who cares.
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Posted 2018-07-06 9:36 AM (#707838 - in reply to #706448)
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It would be stupid to not take advantage of a asset in cap space. As long as it is to the Rangers advantage, and Gorton does his homework it’s win win. Basically should result in addition by no relavent cost.
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Posted 2018-07-06 9:49 AM (#707839 - in reply to #706448)
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Posted 2018-07-06 9:54 AM (#707840 - in reply to #706448)
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Has anybody seen TB's roster? Practically the whole team, except Miller has NT/NMC. Unless Callahan is willing to come back, when we are sure to lose out on playoff money, all that TB has to offer is prospects and draft choices. Not comfortable Rangers know how to manage either.
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Posted 2018-07-06 10:02 AM (#707841 - in reply to #707840)
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Has anybody seen TB's roster? Practically the whole team, except Miller has NT/NMC. Unless Callahan is willing to come back, when we are sure to lose out on playoff money, all that TB has to offer is prospects and draft choices. Not comfortable Rangers know how to manage either.

VERY not comfortable
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Posted 2018-07-06 10:21 AM (#707842 - in reply to #707839)
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Posted 2018-07-06 10:22 AM (#707843 - in reply to #706448)
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Cally and his contract are not welcomed here!
His own greed and recklessness screwed him and his career as a player and as a Ranger.
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Posted 2018-07-06 10:23 AM (#707844 - in reply to #706448)
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Read we could be getting Cal Foote
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Posted 2018-07-06 10:39 AM (#707845 - in reply to #707843)
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Cally and his contract are not welcomed here!
His own greed and recklessness screwed him and his career as a player and as a Ranger.


Why would you care? It's a place to park his contract. It's not like they actually want him for his ability to play. What do people not get? The Rangers are rebuilding. The best way to do that is to aquire assets. They are going to be bad the next couple of years at least. Next year's roster means nothing aside from kids aquiring experience playing in the NHL.
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Posted 2018-07-06 11:15 AM (#707846 - in reply to #707844)
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Read we could be getting Cal Foote


Cally can come back if he brings Foote with him.
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Posted 2018-07-06 11:17 AM (#707847 - in reply to #707845)
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Blue404 - 2018-07-06 10:22 AM

Cally and his contract are not welcomed here!
His own greed and recklessness screwed him and his career as a player and as a Ranger.


Why would you care? It's a place to park his contract. It's not like they actually want him for his ability to play. What do people not get? The Rangers are rebuilding. The best way to do that is to aquire assets. They are going to be bad the next couple of years at least. Next year's roster means nothing aside from kids aquiring experience playing in the NHL.


Exactly! The only goal this year is development. Whatever team they ice will try to compete for the sake of developing a compete level and culture... they'll try to make the playoffs, but it will be in the name of getting players experience.

If they take on a bad contract, it will be paired with building blocks.... Cal Foote would be great... picks... anything to help build the foundation
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robstones - 2018-07-06 12:23 PM

Read we could be getting Cal Foote


Cally can come back if he brings Foote with him.


Hold on regarding Foote. May be he's big, but "Is simply not as physically imposing as his father was, as he seems to lack Adam Foote's mean streak."


https://www.tsn.ca/nhl/player-bio/cal-foote/bio
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Posted 2018-07-06 12:38 PM (#707850 - in reply to #706448)
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It’s all about maximizing return. Cap room is a asset just like a established player on his last year of a contract. Gorton has to know or more likely guess whether the cap space being used to take on contracts, is worth more now or at the next trade deadline. It’s doubtful there is any way of knowing, so he’s winging it. And if your making a move now it better be a good one, because teams that think they have a shot at a cup are traditionally more generous with assets, and also looking to dump cap to acquire their missing pieces come trade deadline. The disadvantage of waiting for the deadline is no team needing cap space and your left holding air. If there is a good deal now better to take it, and be safe than wait til spring and nothing falls in place.
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Blue404 - 2018-07-06 10:22 AM

Cally and his contract are not welcomed here!
His own greed and recklessness screwed him and his career as a player and as a Ranger.


Why would you care? It's a place to park his contract. It's not like they actually want him for his ability to play. What do people not get? The Rangers are rebuilding. The best way to do that is to aquire assets. They are going to be bad the next couple of years at least. Next year's roster means nothing aside from kids aquiring experience playing in the NHL.


Same thing every year. They rather get names they recognize than build a team from scratch.
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