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VITALI KRAVTSOV
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Born December 23, 1999 (18)






Some interesting notes from what I've seen and read.

He was the KHL's version of The Calder winner, Rookie of the Year, beating out highly touted Nashville prospect, Eeli Tolvanen. Tolvanen put up better numbers in the regular season, but it was Kravtsov's playoff preformance that got him noticed.... the most points ever by an under aged player in KHL history

In 16 games he put up a stat line of 6g 5a for 11pts! ...... as an 18 year old!?!?

Which really is just insane! It can't be said enough that you just don't play in the KHL as a teenager. He started the year as a 17 year old.... so he was getting maybe 10 minutes a night. But after a full season, his talent was undeniable, and by the time playoffs came he was one of the best players in the league.

Kovalchuk put up 6g 4a for 10pts in one less game in the playoffs.

The kid has all the tools. Check off all the boxes. Size, speed, shot, skill, vision, playmaking, defensive responsibility...... the only downside I've heard about him is that he could put in a better effort back checking....

Gordie eluded to the fact that the last year of his KHL contract could be bought out..... but we'll see. We could be seeing this kid sooner than you think.Though likely a year away.

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Posted 2018-06-24 8:25 AM (#707194 - in reply to #707190)
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Good stuff...hands and speed
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Mikey Red - 2018-06-24 10:25 AM

Good stuff...hands and speed
Videos do not sore or win games.
Next I will find out that he is good at playing PS 4
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Posted 2018-06-24 8:51 AM (#707202 - in reply to #707190)
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Posted 2018-06-24 8:58 AM (#707204 - in reply to #707190)
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If only he were ranked 4 spots higher by Bob McKenzie.... then he'd be the total package
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Posted 2018-06-25 9:53 AM (#707259 - in reply to #707190)
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He has a high talent ceiling, can skate, has size, excelled in a men's league. No problems at all with this pick.



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Posted 2018-06-25 6:14 PM (#707290 - in reply to #707190)
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I'm starting to think he's going to be at training camp, and try to make the team. If he picks up on the speed of the smaller ice, he'll have a shot.... Otherwise, Hartford gets to play him
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Posted 2018-06-26 7:33 AM (#707302 - in reply to #707190)
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I have a hard time believing he's NHL ready at this point, but on the other hand, we're going to be bad. So as long as he has good coaching and development in place I'm ok with this plan.

FWIW he is still under KHL contract but he's within a period where he could buy out his own contract (I believe). I don't have too much information on this because there are no actual KHL transfer rules and I don't know the KHL CBA that well.

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Posted 2018-06-26 9:51 AM (#707308 - in reply to #707302)
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concust - 2018-06-26 9:33 AM

I have a hard time believing he's NHL ready at this point, but on the other hand, we're going to be bad. So as long as he has good coaching and development in place I'm ok with this plan.

FWIW he is still under KHL contract but he's within a period where he could buy out his own contract (I believe). I don't have too much information on this because there are no actual KHL transfer rules and I don't know the KHL CBA that well.



Probably not NHL ready.... they keep comparing his situation to Chtyl's last year.... Skill wise I'd say he is NHL ready, just as Chtyl was.

They both need a little time to play on the smaller ice, though. If he plays in North America this year, chances are he will be wearing both a Rangers jersey and a 'Pack jersey during the season.

And they brought Andersson over here, too..... They started him in the SHL, but changed their mind after his preformance in the WJC

That being said, Vitali Kravtsov has more skill than both of our top picks last year, and that isn't a knock on Filip or Lias by any means.

We haven't wrapped our heads around Kravtsov being our top prospect yet.... but I think he just may be
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Posted 2018-06-26 10:00 AM (#707310 - in reply to #707190)
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it sounds like Vitali will be over here this season. Likely not the NHL but Hartford and that is a great thing. Playing in the AHL will speed his development to the NHL better than the KHL. He could still crap the bed but beside my guess we'll see him Hartford
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Posted 2018-06-26 1:07 PM (#707317 - in reply to #707308)
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robstones - 2018-06-26 10:51 AM

concust - 2018-06-26 9:33 AM

I have a hard time believing he's NHL ready at this point, but on the other hand, we're going to be bad. So as long as he has good coaching and development in place I'm ok with this plan.

FWIW he is still under KHL contract but he's within a period where he could buy out his own contract (I believe). I don't have too much information on this because there are no actual KHL transfer rules and I don't know the KHL CBA that well.



Probably not NHL ready.... they keep comparing his situation to Chtyl's last year.... Skill wise I'd say he is NHL ready, just as Chtyl was.

They both need a little time to play on the smaller ice, though. If he plays in North America this year, chances are he will be wearing both a Rangers jersey and a 'Pack jersey during the season.

And they brought Andersson over here, too..... They started him in the SHL, but changed their mind after his preformance in the WJC

That being said, Vitali Kravtsov has more skill than both of our top picks last year, and that isn't a knock on Filip or Lias by any means.

We haven't wrapped our heads around Kravtsov being our top prospect yet.... but I think he just may be


He's top three for sure, it just depends on how you rank them, by pure upside, or by current NHL readiness. Outside the three centers I'd say Shestyorkin and Miller round out the top 5.

Any interest in doing another OTG prospect ranking? It's been a couple years since we did one.

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Posted 2018-06-26 1:36 PM (#707322 - in reply to #707317)
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concust - 2018-06-26 9:07 PM

Any interest in doing another OTG prospect ranking? It's been a couple years since we did one.


Not a bad idea. I'd just do a top-10 ranking sort of thing. I remember that the later stages were kinda weak.
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Posted 2018-06-26 2:37 PM (#707327 - in reply to #707322)
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DaTeL - 2018-06-26 3:36 PM

concust - 2018-06-26 9:07 PM

Any interest in doing another OTG prospect ranking? It's been a couple years since we did one.


Not a bad idea. I'd just do a top-10 ranking sort of thing. I remember that the later stages were kinda weak.


True about the weakness of the later stages, but considering just about everyone other than 7 or 8 guys can still be considered 'prospects', this might be the year you actually see someone who'll play in the NHL ranked 20 or 25.
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Posted 2018-06-26 8:38 PM (#707342 - in reply to #707190)
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Our pool is about as deep as it's ever been! I'd hold off until the season starts, though. I want to see the new draft picks put some reps in. Nils Lundkvist could be better than we think....

Chytil, Howden, Kravtsov, Andersson, Ronning, Gettinger, Howden, Lindgren, Hajek, Rykov, Miller, Lundkvist, Day, Shestyorkin, Georgiev, Lindbom


Is Pionk a prospect? What about Lettieri? What about Lindqvist and Meskanen?

Because if so, that's 20 prospects....
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Posted 2018-06-26 9:35 PM (#707345 - in reply to #707190)
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Posted 2018-06-27 9:00 AM (#707351 - in reply to #707190)
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Yeah we used to do almost all of the prospects. It got to be a real drag at the end. What's really the difference between a 26 prospect and a 27.

We can do top 15 or 20; i'd do top 10 but really everyone's going to have the same top 5 so what's the point.


Maybe start it at the end of july? That's when things slow down - prospect camp will be over, free agency frenzy will be done, really nothing happens in august except arbitration hearings and the Rangers signing a 28 year old out of a european league.
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Posted 2018-06-27 9:08 AM (#707353 - in reply to #707190)
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Hopefully Krav will be what our Cherapanov was supposed to be
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Posted 2018-06-27 9:18 PM (#707363 - in reply to #707190)
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Posted 2018-06-28 7:02 AM (#707366 - in reply to #707363)
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robstones - 2018-06-27 10:18 PM

Is Nieves still here? Haha


Yes, there's a huge logjam at C, even when you consider a guy or two might be tried at wing. Look at all the guys (presumably) in front of him on the depth chart. And add to that, the fact that Nieves would be a perfectly capable 4C on a rebuilding team.

A trade must be coming in the next week.

Zibanejad
Hayes
Namestnikov
Spooner
Chytil
Kravtsov
Andersson
Lettieri
Holland
Nieves
Fogarty
Howden
Fontaine
Barron


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Posted 2018-06-28 7:06 AM (#707369 - in reply to #707366)
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concust - 2018-06-28 9:02 AM

robstones - 2018-06-27 10:18 PM

Is Nieves still here? Haha


Yes, there's a huge logjam at C, even when you consider a guy or two might be tried at wing. Look at all the guys (presumably) in front of him on the depth chart. And add to that, the fact that Nieves would be a perfectly capable 4C on a rebuilding team.

A trade must be coming in the next week.

Zibanejad
Hayes
Namestnikov
Spooner
Chytil
Kravtsov
Andersson
Lettieri
Holland
Nieves
Fogarty
Howden
Fontaine
Barron




I think Names and Spooner are gone; possibly Zib as well.
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Posted 2018-06-28 7:13 AM (#707373 - in reply to #707369)
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Mjolnir - 2018-06-28 8:06 AM

I think Names and Spooner are gone; possibly Zib as well.


It's quite possible. At the very least you think they would have to make room for Chytil and Andersson. If those three are gone, you're looking at

Hayes
Chytil
Andersson
Nieves/Lettieri/Holland (If Holland is on the NHL roster that is bad news for our bubble AHL centers)

Then in the AHL you would have something like,
Kravtsov (if he cancels his KHL contract)
Lettieri/Nieves
Howden
Fontaine
Fogarty

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Posted 2018-06-28 7:15 AM (#707375 - in reply to #707190)
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Just read in the Post that Clark states he would of taken Krav over Zadina if the choice was there.....
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Posted 2018-06-28 7:17 AM (#707376 - in reply to #707375)
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Mikey Red - 2018-06-28 8:15 AM

Just read in the Post that Clark states he would of taken Krav over Zadina if the choice was there.....


Well they said he was their #2 ranked forward so I would have to assume it was Svechnikov then Kravtsov.

Saw some footage of Zadina at Wings prospect camp. Very impressive.
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Posted 2018-06-28 7:20 AM (#707377 - in reply to #707190)
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If he took Krav instead of Zadina there would of been a riot
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Posted 2018-06-28 7:21 AM (#707378 - in reply to #707190)
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Gorton needs to go to Sather and demand that he gets to choose his own scouting dept
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Posted 2018-06-28 7:56 AM (#707385 - in reply to #707377)
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Mikey Red - 2018-06-28 9:20 AM

If he took Krav instead of Zadina there would of been a riot


Kotkaniemi, Hayton, and Tkachuk all went before Zadina.....

The problem here is name recognition. We saw Tkachuk and Zadina do well at WJC.... Whalstrom.... we saw him play for Team USA, so we liked him!

The "experts" had their concensus rankings, but the same experts said there's so much parity after the top 2.... Remember when Boqvist was clear cut #4? It was Zadina and Tkachuk.... Kotkaniemi wasn't mentioned until a month away from the draft.... He was ranked to go at 16 or something by the "experts." Veleno was the best center for a long time. It was him or Hayton.....

A lot of people like Kupari better than Kotkaniemi..... so if Kupari is better than Kotkaniemi, he must be up there in talent with Zadina, too....

I'm tellin ya. These GMs are scared to death of "The Russian factor." It's a legit fear. Islanders goalie who is suppose to be as good or better than Shestyorkin.... Sorokin extended his contract till 2020! Kravtsov has a year on his KHL contract, and that scares GMs away..... they'll go with the guy who's already here, it's safer. Zadina has more experience on the smaller ice..... but is he better???

I don't know about that. Time will tell as they say, but the more I see the more I like. It looks like he has better hands. Zadina and Wahlstrom look like great pure goal scorers, but Kravtsov doesn't look too far behind Svechnikov in terms of skill. Svechnikov seems stronger on his skates.... he has more experience on the smaller ice....

Kravtsov is bigger than all of them, though. I'm real excited about this pick

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concust - 2018-06-28 9:13 AM

Mjolnir - 2018-06-28 8:06 AM

I think Names and Spooner are gone; possibly Zib as well.


It's quite possible. At the very least you think they would have to make room for Chytil and Andersson. If those three are gone, you're looking at

Hayes
Chytil
Andersson
Nieves/Lettieri/Holland (If Holland is on the NHL roster that is bad news for our bubble AHL centers)

Then in the AHL you would have something like,
Kravtsov (if he cancels his KHL contract)
Lettieri/Nieves
Howden
Fontaine
Fogarty

etc

I think they give Chytil or Andersson a shot at #1....
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Posted 2018-06-28 8:18 AM (#707388 - in reply to #707386)
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Mjolnir - 2018-06-28 9:02 AM

concust - 2018-06-28 9:13 AM

Mjolnir - 2018-06-28 8:06 AM

I think Names and Spooner are gone; possibly Zib as well.


It's quite possible. At the very least you think they would have to make room for Chytil and Andersson. If those three are gone, you're looking at

Hayes
Chytil
Andersson
Nieves/Lettieri/Holland (If Holland is on the NHL roster that is bad news for our bubble AHL centers)

Then in the AHL you would have something like,
Kravtsov (if he cancels his KHL contract)
Lettieri/Nieves
Howden
Fontaine
Fogarty

etc

I think they give Chytil or Andersson a shot at #1....


Sure. It would be Chytil, not Andersson. If Andersson shows up and takes 1C (i.e. plays with two of our top wingers) it will be because he showed up an entirely different player than we saw last year. That's not a knock on him at all, he's a well rounded player, but I think if either of the two kids ends up with a shot at 1C it'll be Chytil because he's so much better offensively.

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Posted 2018-06-28 8:46 AM (#707390 - in reply to #707190)
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I wasn't saying which one it would be...but I'm pretty sure both would be slotted there before Hayes.
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Posted 2018-06-28 10:07 AM (#707391 - in reply to #707190)
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If we want to compete for last place, then yeah trade Zibanejad and go with the other centers.

I sure would like to see what effect Quinn has on these guys, though.

I like Hayes in a defensive role. Ability to move up if needed

Zibanejad
Chytil
Andersson
Hayes

Is solid depth down the middle. I'll trade Hayes for a Trouba or Tyler Myers, but I don't think I want more prospects and picks...

Unless we're going all in on last place this year.... But I'm pretty confident they want to switch to building a team with what they have.

Sign JVR

Kreider Zibanejad Buchnevich
JVR Chytil Zuccarello
Spooner Andersson Meskenan(or something)
Vesey Hayes Fast

Skjei Shattenkirik
Staal Pionk
Lindgren DeAngelo...... or something......

Lundqvist
Georgiev

Looks like a pretty good team to me. If Howden is ready, and we can trade Hayes for a D upgrade.... even better!

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Posted 2018-06-28 12:16 PM (#707398 - in reply to #707190)
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Move TD to Forward and give Hijak a shot
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Posted 2018-06-28 12:49 PM (#707399 - in reply to #707398)
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Mikey Red - 2018-06-28 2:16 PM

Move TD to Forward and give Hijak a shot


Yeah.... or something. Gotta see what camp brings. Or maybe they sign a UFA. Marc Staal played well last year.... he really did.... If he brings that again this year he could be a nice trade piece by the deadline, instead of buying him out.


Howden, Lindgren, Hajek, Chytil, Andersson could all be rookies this year.... plus Meskanen, Lindqvist with a shot at it.... Pionk, Georgiev, Letteiri played last year, but could all see their first full season, too.... Boo haha yeah I said it.....

I don't think they should set these guys up for failure, though. I'm not in to the idea of throwing up the white flag. No matter what, the expectations will be low with all the rookies, but they need to be competitive. They need to create a winning atmosphere. I'm not in to tanking
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Posted 2018-06-28 1:17 PM (#707400 - in reply to #707190)
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I would absolutely let those kids you mention play....Krav next year and Miller maybe after that....and Nils who knows....and get Trouba
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Posted 2018-06-29 9:29 AM (#707426 - in reply to #707190)
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I will be somewhat surprised if Hajek does not find his way on the team. Assuming Staal is still here he, Shattenkirk, Skjei, and Pionk are the only locks. I watched Hajek's playoffs last year and don't think he takes a backseat toi any other dman in the organization. He is a hell of a prospect.
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Posted 2018-06-29 11:00 AM (#707431 - in reply to #707190)
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People need to give up this stupid fascination with Trouba. He's overrated and is money greedy.
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itsmcilrathtime - 2018-06-29 1:00 PM

People need to give up this stupid fascination with Trouba. He's overrated and is money greedy.
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Putting Chytil and even more laughably Andersson in the number one center spot unless you are shooting for number one overall draft pick next year, is beyond ridiculous. Neither one of them showed any signs they were not going to have their fair share of growing pains this year. Assuming they both make the team. Andersson in particular better be aware Howden isn’t going to take a back seat to him.
I do not have a problem moving Zibanejad and Hayes out in time, but it won’t be this season. I’d be very suprised if either one gets moved. Realistically it’s Namestmikov who will get moved, his money won’t be a huge difference from Hayes who is probably viewed as the Rangers most well rounded center.
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Posted 2018-06-29 12:23 PM (#707438 - in reply to #707190)
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Putting Heatl or Lias in the 1C is catastrophic
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Posted 2018-06-30 10:02 AM (#707493 - in reply to #707190)
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THN says could be a player some team takes a chance on higher that he is projected. Right on. The Rangers.
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Posted 2018-07-12 6:35 AM (#708028 - in reply to #707190)
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Posted 2018-07-12 11:40 AM (#708029 - in reply to #707190)
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I wonder what it meant when it was said "he (Kravtsov) would like to be here sooner rather than later"
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Rangerjunkie - 2018-07-12 1:40 PM

I wonder what it meant when it was said "he (Kravtsov) would like to be here sooner rather than later"

I think it was referring to the fact that the KHL will not let him buyout the last year of his contract, which is the reason he's returning to Russia rather than coming here immediately.
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Yeah he, Shestyorkin, and Rykov all have one more KHL season... as soon as their teams are eliminated, they can come over here, and play in NA all they want! And they will! The Russians are coming! The Russians are coming! The Russians are coming!

Kravtsov could have a Kreider-like impact upon CKs arrival out of college
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robstones - 2018-07-12 3:34 PM

Yeah he, Shestyorkin, and Rykov all have one more KHL season... as soon as their teams are eliminated, they can come over here, and play in NA all they want! And they will! The Russians are coming! The Russians are coming! The Russians are coming!

Kravtsov could have a Kreider-like impact upon CKs arrival out of college


Except Kreider arrived in the playoffs, and Kravtsov will arrive with the Rangers competing for best odds to win the draft lottery.

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Vua - 2018-07-12 6:46 PM

robstones - 2018-07-12 3:34 PM

Yeah he, Shestyorkin, and Rykov all have one more KHL season... as soon as their teams are eliminated, they can come over here, and play in NA all they want! And they will! The Russians are coming! The Russians are coming! The Russians are coming!

Kravtsov could have a Kreider-like impact upon CKs arrival out of college


Except Kreider arrived in the playoffs, and Kravtsov will arrive with the Rangers competing for best odds to win the draft lottery.


Done deal.... why even play out the season? This team sucks before theu even hit the ice. Crazy talk.

Regardless, they'll all be over here soon
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Posted 2018-07-12 5:08 PM (#708051 - in reply to #708049)
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robstones - 2018-07-12 3:34 PM

Yeah he, Shestyorkin, and Rykov all have one more KHL season... as soon as their teams are eliminated, they can come over here, and play in NA all they want! And they will! The Russians are coming! The Russians are coming! The Russians are coming!

Kravtsov could have a Kreider-like impact upon CKs arrival out of college


Except Kreider arrived in the playoffs, and Kravtsov will arrive with the Rangers competing for best odds to win the draft lottery.

hahahaha
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Vua - 2018-07-12 6:46 PM

robstones - 2018-07-12 3:34 PM

Yeah he, Shestyorkin, and Rykov all have one more KHL season... as soon as their teams are eliminated, they can come over here, and play in NA all they want! And they will! The Russians are coming! The Russians are coming! The Russians are coming!

Kravtsov could have a Kreider-like impact upon CKs arrival out of college


Except Kreider arrived in the playoffs, and Kravtsov will arrive with the Rangers competing for best odds to win the draft lottery.


Done deal.... why even play out the season? This team sucks before theu even hit the ice. Crazy talk.

Regardless, they'll all be over here soon

The gave 34 yr old washed up Cody a new contract...if they dont trade anyone...that leaves only 1 forward spot for a kid ...Worst FO in Sports
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robstones - 2018-07-12 6:51 PM

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robstones - 2018-07-12 3:34 PM

Yeah he, Shestyorkin, and Rykov all have one more KHL season... as soon as their teams are eliminated, they can come over here, and play in NA all they want! And they will! The Russians are coming! The Russians are coming! The Russians are coming!

Kravtsov could have a Kreider-like impact upon CKs arrival out of college


Except Kreider arrived in the playoffs, and Kravtsov will arrive with the Rangers competing for best odds to win the draft lottery.


Done deal.... why even play out the season? This team sucks before theu even hit the ice. Crazy talk.

Regardless, they'll all be over here soon

The gave 34 yr old washed up Cody a new contract...if they dont trade anyone...that leaves only 1 forward spot for a kid ...Worst FO in Sports


He hasn't made the team yet, relax. They're going to put out the best team possible. 34 year old Cody is either an extra forward, or he's gone.

No harm done by signing him. At all.
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robstones - 2018-07-12 7:18 PM

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robstones - 2018-07-12 3:34 PM

Yeah he, Shestyorkin, and Rykov all have one more KHL season... as soon as their teams are eliminated, they can come over here, and play in NA all they want! And they will! The Russians are coming! The Russians are coming! The Russians are coming!

Kravtsov could have a Kreider-like impact upon CKs arrival out of college


Except Kreider arrived in the playoffs, and Kravtsov will arrive with the Rangers competing for best odds to win the draft lottery.


Done deal.... why even play out the season? This team sucks before theu even hit the ice. Crazy talk.

Regardless, they'll all be over here soon

The gave 34 yr old washed up Cody a new contract...if they dont trade anyone...that leaves only 1 forward spot for a kid ...Worst FO in Sports


He hasn't made the team yet, relax. They're going to put out the best team possible. 34 year old Cody is either an extra forward, or he's gone.

No harm done by signing him. At all.

Rob I'm scared of our FO
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I know, you're pretry dramatic about it.... Oh no, they drafted a goalie! What? another Euro????

You're getting all bent about the smallest stuff.... Cody McLeod... oh no! This guys' contract means next to nothing, and yet it gets turned in to the worst move an organization could have done....
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robstones - 2018-07-12 8:04 PM

I know, you're pretry dramatic about it.... Oh no, they drafted a goalie! What? another Euro????

You're getting all bent about the smallest stuff.... Cody McLeod... oh no! This guys' contract means next to nothing, and yet it gets turned in to the worst move an organization could have done....
He is not even good at what he does...and yes drafting a Goalie instead of Bodie Wilde or Ryan Mcleod was complete stupidity...and yes...another Euro grrrr.
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I want to be competing for the first pick. They should sign 3 more McLeod's, trade Spooner and Hayes. They're not going to be good next year, no point in picking 9th again.
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I want to be competing for the first pick. They should sign 3 more McLeod's, trade Spooner and Hayes. They're not going to be good next year, no point in picking 9th again.

I hear ya but what scares me is that in the Macdavid draft....if they had the 1st pick...they would have picked Pavel Zacha
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robstones - 2018-07-12 8:04 PM

I know, you're pretry dramatic about it.... Oh no, they drafted a goalie! What? another Euro????

You're getting all bent about the smallest stuff.... Cody McLeod... oh no! This guys' contract means next to nothing, and yet it gets turned in to the worst move an organization could have done....


Mic drop.

Well done.
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Kravtsov says he’s happy in Russia and going to make a serious decision after this khl season ....wtf? Does that mean he is going to sign a new 3 year contract with the khl like shesty did? Scary read

https://www.blueshirtbanter.com/2018/8/4/17651218/vitaly-kravtsov-is...
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Kravtsov says he’s happy in Russia and going to make a serious decision after this khl season ....wtf? Does that mean he is going to sign a new 3 year contract with the khl like shesty did? Scary read

https://www.blueshirtbanter.com/2018/8/4/17651218/vitaly-kravtsov-is...

See there you go with the hysteria again...
The main topic of the article is that Kravtsov is a humble kid with intellect and character.
But you pick the part where he only states the obvious -- he's got tough decision in front of him after the season.
He's honest. He realizes that moving to North America hockey is no joke, that he will lose the advantage of living in his country (language, family, friends, cultural context...) etc.
There's no word about 3-year extension whatsoever.

Where do you get this stuff? Were you born with dark clouds above your head?
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Mikey Red - 2018-08-05 12:21 AM

Kravtsov says he’s happy in Russia and going to make a serious decision after this khl season ....wtf? Does that mean he is going to sign a new 3 year contract with the khl like shesty did? Scary read

https://www.blueshirtbanter.com/2018/8/4/17651218/vitaly-kravtsov-is...

See there you go with the hysteria again...
The main topic of the article is that Kravtsov is a humble kid with intellect and character.
But you pick the part where he only states the obvious -- he's got tough decision in front of him after the season.
He's honest. He realizes that moving to North America hockey is no joke, that he will lose the advantage of living in his country (language, family, friends, cultural context...) etc.
There's no word about 3-year extension whatsoever.

Where do you get this stuff? Were you born with dark clouds above your head?

Were you not around for what Shesty did? Yes the article is great and shows Krav is a good kid....But he did not say I cant wait to get over to the Rangers....He said I have a decision to make...which tells me that he might stay.....Very fair to ask that question...not hysteria...and yes theres always a dark cloud above me
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And I dont care about his intellect and character...I care that he is a Top line power forward that puts up points for the NYR for the next 10 plus years...We dont need a team full of boy scouts...we need good hockey players
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Then I guess you missed this little bit...

Q: What drives you?
Kravtsov: What motivates me is winning the Stanley Cup, because my teams never won the Cup where I was playing, so I’d like to be able to win this Stanley Cup and to raise it above my head.

https://nypost.com/2018/06/30/rangers-rookie-trio-cant-wait-to-take-...

Keep in mind he gave the interview that's basis for the link you posted, to the KHL website.
It's still Russia so he's probably playing it safe.

And, Shesterkin's decision is in no way connected to the one this guy's gonna make.
He's his own man.

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Then I guess you missed this little bit...

Q: What drives you?
Kravtsov: What motivates me is winning the Stanley Cup, because my teams never won the Cup where I was playing, so I’d like to be able to win this Stanley Cup and to raise it above my head.

https://nypost.com/2018/06/30/rangers-rookie-trio-cant-wait-to-take-...

Keep in mind he gave the interview that's basis for the link you posted, to the KHL website.
It's still Russia so he's probably playing it safe.

And, Shesterkin's decision is in no way connected to the one this guy's gonna make.
He's his own man.


I saw it.....still my question is fair...We dont draft kids so they can sign 3 year extensions in other Countries...we want them here...If the SC is what drives him then I want to hear him say I cant wait to get over to the Rangers....If Shesty was already here and a good goalie we could have traded Henrik for assets..or at least tried
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And the other thing with Shesterkin is the Hank factor. Do we just dismiss that as if it doesn't exist? He saw Hank here as the clear # 1. He knew Hank was the guy. So he decided to stay in Russia until Hank was towards the end, and then come over (which he will do after this season). He will still be very young and in a perfect position to play with Hank for a season before starting to take over.

Not saying I agree or disagree with that decision, but let's not act as if the Hank factor didn't exist...it did.

And yes, the two situations have nothing to do with each other. Each is their own man...agreed.


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Go NYR - 2018-08-05 11:10 AM

And the other thing with Shesterkin is the Hank factor. Do we just dismiss that as if it doesn't exist? He saw Hank here as the clear # 1. He knew Hank was the guy. So he decided to stay in Russia until Hank was towards the end, and then come over (which he will do after this season). He will still be very young and in a perfect position to play with Hank for a season before starting to take over.

Not saying I agree or disagree with that decision, but let's not act as if the Hank factor didn't exist...it did.

And yes, the two situations have nothing to do with each other. Each is their own man...agreed.



Thats 3 years of Shesty we cant get back as a player or trade to someone else...Yes he is his own man and the dopey FO should maybe recognize this and stay out of USSR
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Why would we want to trade him? He is our # 1 goalie of the future at age 24 I'd say, not a bad situation. If he comes over after this season, along with Kravtsov, all is good to me. If either stay in Russia I will be right there with you.


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Go NYR - 2018-08-05 11:37 AM

Why would we want to trade him? He is our # 1 goalie of the future at age 24 I'd say, not a bad situation. If he comes over after this season, along with Kravtsov, all is good to me. If either stay in Russia I will be right there with you.



Lets hope they all come here yep
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It's always a risk when you draft a Russian player now that they have the KHL option.
That's why they get drafted later than they would if talent was the only consideration (generally speaking).

This is a kind of no-risk-no-reward situation.
I believe the Rangers took a calculated risk here.
I'm sure they did their homework on this kid.
But like with Cherepanov (or Danny Blackburn for that matter), there are dozens of things that can happen between the draft day and the expected 1st game as a Ranger.
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There seems to be this perception that you draft a kid and he needs to have an immediate return. This isn't the NFL or the NBA, you generally have to wait 3 or 4 years before they're even close to NHL ready. So calling 18 year olds bad picks or saying we shouldn't have drafted a Russian because he signed an extension, is just shortsighted. If he was a USA kid and we drafted him at 17 and he committed to NCAA would there be this backlash against him doing that? Would there be posts about him being dopey and that's 4 years we can't get back and the FO should stay out of NCAA? Of course not, there's just a bias because he's russian.

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There seems to be this perception that you draft a kid and he needs to have an immediate return. This isn't the NFL or the NBA, you generally have to wait 3 or 4 years before they're even close to NHL ready. So calling 18 year olds bad picks or saying we shouldn't have drafted a Russian because he signed an extension, is just shortsighted. If he was a USA kid and we drafted him at 17 and he committed to NCAA would there be this backlash against him doing that? Would there be posts about him being dopey and that's 4 years we can't get back and the FO should stay out of NCAA? Of course not, there's just a bias because he's russian.


Fair point...but I bet Vancouver is not thrilled that Quinn Hughes is going back to Michigan....you can start to spin your wheels in a ...oh no he is going to stay there and graduate and become a UFA....but at least he is here already....You have no control over Mother Russia....I would rather have Krav here playing in NA until he is ready for the NHL....and top 10 picks if they are not ready in 2 years then maybe they aint coming ever....Heatl and Lias will have every oppurtunity to make the team next Month
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He had a contract and the Rangers had to have known that and known that he wouldn’t come over this year based on the fact no player had bought out his last year to come over before. At least none I’m aware of. The KHL contract will become meaningless if players are allowed out of it for minor buyout money. I’m sure if the Rangers wanted to pay a ridiculous amount of money they could have secured his release. I’d rather he was over here since I don’t get the value of playing a different game over there. Better to be acclimating on and off the ice over here. It’s a setback but he will go through it all next year, and it is what it is. It’s obvious the better Russian players like it over here and it’s usually only the disgruntled and lesser talents that leave and or never come over. Typical example the dman that stayed long enough last training camp to find out he was going to be in Hartford and left immediately after.
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Mikey Red - 2018-08-06 11:14 AM

concust - 2018-08-06 10:49 AM


There seems to be this perception that you draft a kid and he needs to have an immediate return. This isn't the NFL or the NBA, you generally have to wait 3 or 4 years before they're even close to NHL ready. So calling 18 year olds bad picks or saying we shouldn't have drafted a Russian because he signed an extension, is just shortsighted. If he was a USA kid and we drafted him at 17 and he committed to NCAA would there be this backlash against him doing that? Would there be posts about him being dopey and that's 4 years we can't get back and the FO should stay out of NCAA? Of course not, there's just a bias because he's russian.


Fair point...but I bet Vancouver is not thrilled that Quinn Hughes is going back to Michigan....you can start to spin your wheels in a ...oh no he is going to stay there and graduate and become a UFA....but at least he is here already....You have no control over Mother Russia....I would rather have Krav here playing in NA until he is ready for the NHL....and top 10 picks if they are not ready in 2 years then maybe they aint coming ever....Heatl and Lias will have every oppurtunity to make the team next Month


You also need to consider that he could make more money in the KHL vs the AHL. Chytil and Andersson both make $70k if they are in Hartford.
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Mikey Red - 2018-08-06 11:14 AM

concust - 2018-08-06 10:49 AM


There seems to be this perception that you draft a kid and he needs to have an immediate return. This isn't the NFL or the NBA, you generally have to wait 3 or 4 years before they're even close to NHL ready. So calling 18 year olds bad picks or saying we shouldn't have drafted a Russian because he signed an extension, is just shortsighted. If he was a USA kid and we drafted him at 17 and he committed to NCAA would there be this backlash against him doing that? Would there be posts about him being dopey and that's 4 years we can't get back and the FO should stay out of NCAA? Of course not, there's just a bias because he's russian.


Fair point...but I bet Vancouver is not thrilled that Quinn Hughes is going back to Michigan....you can start to spin your wheels in a ...oh no he is going to stay there and graduate and become a UFA....but at least he is here already....You have no control over Mother Russia....I would rather have Krav here playing in NA until he is ready for the NHL....and top 10 picks if they are not ready in 2 years then maybe they aint coming ever....Heatl and Lias will have every oppurtunity to make the team next Month


You also need to consider that he could make more money in the KHL vs the AHL. Chytil and Andersson both make $70k if they are in Hartford.


This is purely conjecture, but I can see it having played out this way.

Krav asks the Rangers for a guaranteed roster spot, making ELC money. If the Rangers can guarantee him that, he can use that money to buy out his KHL contract, play for the Rangers.

Rangers, concerned about his ability to play in NHL as an 18 year old, and also concerned about sitting on the bench hampering his development, say no, see you next year.

Krav would not be in a good place to buy out his KHL contract on a 70k AHL salary and a 92k signing bonus without that NHL guarantee.

Considering there's no transfer agreement between the NHL and KHL there's a chance the Rangers could have simply opted to pay it for Kravtsov, but I don't know if this could be considered cap circumvention by the league. They'd basically be paying Krav $x more so he could pay $x to the KHL and buy out his own contract, so that could be considered additional compensation outside of his ELC.

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Mandar - 2018-07-12 10:46 PM

robstones - 2018-07-12 8:04 PM

I know, you're pretry dramatic about it.... Oh no, they drafted a goalie! What? another Euro????

You're getting all bent about the smallest stuff.... Cody McLeod... oh no! This guys' contract means next to nothing, and yet it gets turned in to the worst move an organization could have done....


Mic drop.

Well done.



Exactly!







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https://www.blueshirtbanter.com/2018/8/16/17697860/a-quick-vitali-kr...

KHL preseason has started, and Krav has pucked up where he left off in last years' playoffs

Edited by robstones 2018-08-16 7:39 AM
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https://www.blueshirtbanter.com/2018/8/16/17697860/a-quick-vitali-kr...

KHL preseason has started, and Krav has pucked up where he left off in last years' playoffs

Good stuff...hope and pray to the Hockey Gods that it translates into a top 6 NYR forward
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robstones - 2018-08-16 9:39 AM

https://www.blueshirtbanter.com/2018/8/16/17697860/a-quick-vitali-kr...

KHL preseason has started, and Krav has pucked up where he left off in last years' playoffs


That's a crazy, accurate release on his shot.
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robstones - 2018-08-16 9:39 AM

https://www.blueshirtbanter.com/2018/8/16/17697860/a-quick-vitali-kr...

KHL preseason has started, and Krav has pucked up where he left off in last years' playoffs


That's a crazy, accurate release on his shot.


Yeah I don't think anyone wants to go 1 on 1 with this kid
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https://www.blueshirtbanter.com/2018/8/16/17697860/a-quick-vitali-kr...

KHL preseason has started, and Krav has pucked up where he left off in last years' playoffs


Small bit of evidence, but still very encouraging. Rangers have fallen into the trap before of drafting a big kid who had a hot streak, and then fizzled out into nothing.
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Hopefully, he'll get the minutes this season. I felt when Shesterkin signed his contract with the KHL it was a mistake. His moron coach has screwed him over countless time. I think Shesterkin over-estimated Lundqvist's abilities at his age. I believe he could have come over and taken the starting job from him at this point.
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robstones - 2018-08-16 8:39 AM

https://www.blueshirtbanter.com/2018/8/16/17697860/a-quick-vitali-kr...

KHL preseason has started, and Krav has pucked up where he left off in last years' playoffs


Small bit of evidence, but still very encouraging. Rangers have fallen into the trap before of drafting a big kid who had a hot streak, and then fizzled out into nothing.

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It looks like he's starting on the 2nd line. There's also rumors of him being traded to Shestyorkin and Rykov's team in St. Petesburg. Going to be fun tracking the Russians this year with all of them on the last year of their contracts
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Kravtsov is Russia's captain in the Four Nations U20.... here's what he's done so far.... He's #14

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https://foreverblueshirts.com/rangers-prospect-kravtsov-keeps-earnin...

Kravtsov is Russia's captain in the Four Nations U20.... here's what he's done so far.... He's #14


He was arguably the best player in the tournament.
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https://foreverblueshirts.com/rangers-prospect-kravtsov-keeps-earnin...

Kravtsov is Russia's captain in the Four Nations U20.... here's what he's done so far.... He's #14


He was arguably the best player in the tournament.


Had a better showing than Kotkaniemi, anyway
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Rykov has finally been traded so now he can start playing again


Not only that. but his new coach is Sergei Zubov
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https://www.tsn.ca/russian-wingers-top-tsn-s-ranking-of-nhl-affiliat...

Encouraging read

Dylan Samberg gonna be a monster for Winnipeg...was top pair on WJ I believe....2nd round pick in 2017 which we didnt have one
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Right but can we talk about how Kravtsov is considered the top NHL prospect? Ahead of some really good talent....

Yeah Gordie Clarke and Jeff Gorton really suck, though.... just terrible at this drafting thing...
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Prospect means nothing til they graduate.....Gordie drafted 20 kids in the 2014 2015 2016 drafts....those 20 kids have played a total of 11 NHL games
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Prospect means nothing til they graduate.....



Unless of course you're talking about any other team that isn't The Rangers.... then Dylan Samberg is going to be a monster
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Prospect means nothing til they graduate.....



Unless of course you're talking about any other team that isn't The Rangers.... then Dylan Samberg is going to be a monster

lol only a prediction...I wish we had him
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Traktor got swept today, so Kravtsov is free to come here as soon as they bang out the details

SKA (Shestyorkin) tied the series 2-2 today... and Sochi (Rykov) is also tied 2-2

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Good news regarding the expansion draft, from Blueshirt Banter who dug into the CBA a little closer:


There are also expansion draft implications with Seattle entering the league in 2021. Players with “two years or less” of what the CBA considers “pro experience” will be automatically exempt from the 2021 Seattle Expansion Draft.

This is where it gets a bit tricky. Because Kravtsov was 19 years old on December 31st, 2018, the league considers him to be a 19-year-old for the length of the 2018-2019 NHL season. As Ryan Biech of The Athletic Vancouver astutely noted, the relevant CBA article is 13.4, which states:

“....the four (4) year exemption for a 19 year old skater shall both be reduced to three (3) years commencing the first season that the 18 or 19 year old skater plays in eleven (11) NHL Games or more.”

In essence, Vitali Kravtsov would be exempt from the 2021 expansion draft even if he were to sign an NHL contract for 2018-2019 so long as he played fewer than 11 professional (NHL or AHL) games this season. If he were to play 11 or more, then it would count as a “professional season” and the Rangers would be forced to use one of their seven protection slots allocated to forwards on Kravtsov.


So he can come over, sign for the remainder of the season, and as long as he plays fewer than 11 NHL/AHL games he's still protected for the expansion draft. This scenario does burn a year of ELC though, if you care about that.
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Still, I think that may be preferable to playing out 11 games in Hartford on a tryout in order to save the year of ELC. I think if you propose that to him, you run the risk of him not coming over this year. Is he really going to want to spend the end of his year playing for a bad AHL team at the XL center in Hartford Connecticut? I think you burn the year of ELC, let the kid see the lights of Broadway, let him play at MSG, have him start to develop relationships with the guys on the team, work with coaches, etc. I think it's a much more appealing idea for a top prospect and I would not want to sour that relationship at all. Worth burning a year of ELC if you ask me.

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Alex Nunn raves about Rykov


Alex Nunn raves about all our european prospects. That's what happens when you focus on one team.
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Alex Nunn raves about Rykov


Alex Nunn raves about all our european prospects. That's what happens when you focus on one team.

My first time following his reports....Ill have to keep a close eye on him then
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Alex Nunn raves about Rykov


Alex Nunn raves about all our european prospects. That's what happens when you focus on one team.

My first time following his reports....Ill have to keep a close eye on him then


He does have good info from European reporters that you typically don't see over hear about over here, but it can be pretty unreliable. I think he was one of the first to report on a reporter finding out that Zucc's brother started following the Dallas Stars, this was a couple of hours before he was dealt.

But yeah he's pretty high on all our prospects so just keep that in mind.
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Rykov went from being the 7th Dman for SKA to the top pair on Sochi
.. that's all I know about it. Pretty sure he leads the team in scoring too, at least for D
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Rykov went from being the 7th Dman for SKA to the top pair on Sochi
.. that's all I know about it. Pretty sure he leads the team in scoring too, at least for D


He doesn't but he plays a lot of minutes, got the most minutes on his team the last 2 playoff games I believe. Coach trusts him. (Coach is Sergei Zubov)
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Rykov went from being the 7th Dman for SKA to the top pair on Sochi
.. that's all I know about it. Pretty sure he leads the team in scoring too, at least for D


He doesn't but he plays a lot of minutes, got the most minutes on his team the last 2 playoff games I believe. Coach trusts him. (Coach is Sergei Zubov)


I read he's been credited with 4 hits in his 160 odd games. Is that even possible for a defenseman? I know the hit stat doesn't mean much but 4? Maybe that wasn't written correctly.

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Get Rykov here and send Shattenkirk to Russia

Other websites have plenty of posters that think 22 is a good player.....can't make this up
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Get Rykov here and send Shattenkirk to Russia

Other websites have plenty of posters that think 22 is a good player.....can't make this up


Those are people that watch hockey through spreadsheets. I like the stats, but they have to be used in context.
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Get Rykov here and send Shattenkirk to Russia

Other websites have plenty of posters that think 22 is a good player.....can't make this up


Those are people that watch hockey through spreadsheets. I like the stats, but they have to be used in context.

Yep...it's insanity
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Rykov went from being the 7th Dman for SKA to the top pair on Sochi
.. that's all I know about it. Pretty sure he leads the team in scoring too, at least for D


He doesn't but he plays a lot of minutes, got the most minutes on his team the last 2 playoff games I believe. Coach trusts him. (Coach is Sergei Zubov)


I read he's been credited with 4 hits in his 160 odd games. Is that even possible for a defenseman? I know the hit stat doesn't mean much but 4? Maybe that wasn't written correctly.


He just likes to pick his spots
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Get Rykov here and send Shattenkirk to Russia

Other websites have plenty of posters that think 22 is a good player.....can't make this up


Those are people that watch hockey through spreadsheets. I like the stats, but they have to be used in context.

Yep...it's insanity


Stats are used to give context to what you see, and vice versa. Relying on one or the other exclusively will give you a skewed view.
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Get Rykov here and send Shattenkirk to Russia

Other websites have plenty of posters that think 22 is a good player.....can't make this up


Those are people that watch hockey through spreadsheets. I like the stats, but they have to be used in context.

Yep...it's insanity

Also the same people that when we were waiting for Hayes to be traded and Boston came up....said that we should be getting 2 of Donato Debrusk and Mcavoy plus a 1...or whatever other team...list their #1 prospects plus a 1.....stupid people
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Rykov went from being the 7th Dman for SKA to the top pair on Sochi
.. that's all I know about it. Pretty sure he leads the team in scoring too, at least for D


He doesn't but he plays a lot of minutes, got the most minutes on his team the last 2 playoff games I believe. Coach trusts him. (Coach is Sergei Zubov)


I read he's been credited with 4 hits in his 160 odd games. Is that even possible for a defenseman? I know the hit stat doesn't mean much but 4? Maybe that wasn't written correctly.


He just likes to pick his spots


I'm surprised they even log a hits stat in Russia

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Vasily Podkolzin was ranked to go 3rd overall, but is now said to fall in the draft because apparently has made comments about being unsure of he wants to play in the NHL.... so if The Rangers don't get in the top 2 he very well may be available

The rest of our Red Army could be enticing enough for him to come over.

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Get Rykov here and send Shattenkirk to Russia

Other websites have plenty of posters that think 22 is a good player.....can't make this up


Those are people that watch hockey through spreadsheets. I like the stats, but they have to be used in context.

Yep...it's insanity


Stats are used to give context to what you see, and vice versa. Relying on one or the other exclusively will give you a skewed view.




Nobody in the hockey business uses only stats or only watching games. They both have to be used together. But that doesn't mean for example, without watching Anderson play in Hartford, but seeing his terrible plus/ minus stats, compared to all but a couple Hartford teammates, that you can't make a assumption he is not good defensively. And then go watch him play Ranger games and surprise, he makes lots of mistakes. His Ranger defensive gaffes like his last game played, getting torched off the wall by his check who then carried the puck to the the net for a easy score, happen all to often. And probably had something to do with him sitting last game. It's no surprise he is making the same mistakes he undoubtedly was in Hartford where his plus/minus indicated there was a issue. Backed up by his previous NHL stints where he struggled big time blowing defensive assignments and multiple turnovers game after game. Only noticed on here when a goal is scored. Scouts are charting every shift, turnover, hit, shot, positive and negative plays players make every shift, period and game. I'm sure Anderssons game charts had lots to do with his spending a lot more time in Hartford than anticipated. Go figure.


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Good get him over here even if its just to start getting acclimated off ice. If he can play some games without having to be protected for the next expansion draft all the better.
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Get Rykov here and send Shattenkirk to Russia

Other websites have plenty of posters that think 22 is a good player.....can't make this up


Those are people that watch hockey through spreadsheets. I like the stats, but they have to be used in context.

Yep...it's insanity


Stats are used to give context to what you see, and vice versa. Relying on one or the other exclusively will give you a skewed view.




Nobody in the hockey business uses only stats or only watching games. They both have to be used together. But that doesn't mean for example, without watching Anderson play in Hartford, but seeing his terrible plus/ minus stats, compared to all but a couple Hartford teammates, that you can't make a assumption he is not good defensively. And then go watch him play Ranger games and surprise, he makes lots of mistakes. His Ranger defensive gaffes like his last game played, getting torched off the wall by his check who then carried the puck to the the net for a easy score, happen all to often. And probably had something to do with him sitting last game. It's no surprise he is making the same mistakes he undoubtedly was in Hartford where his plus/minus indicated there was a issue. Backed up by his previous NHL stints where he struggled big time blowing defensive assignments and multiple turnovers game after game. Only noticed on here when a goal is scored. Scouts are charting every shift, turnover, hit, shot, positive and negative plays players make every shift, period and game. I'm sure Anderssons game charts had lots to do with his spending a lot more time in Hartford than anticipated. Go figure.


What do you mean in the business? We're talking fans that post. You don't think there are fans and bloggers that use stats to the exclusion of everything else or did you just miss the initial comment?
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Get Rykov here and send Shattenkirk to Russia

Other websites have plenty of posters that think 22 is a good player.....can't make this up


Those are people that watch hockey through spreadsheets. I like the stats, but they have to be used in context.

Yep...it's insanity


Stats are used to give context to what you see, and vice versa. Relying on one or the other exclusively will give you a skewed view.




Nobody in the hockey business uses only stats or only watching games. They both have to be used together. But that doesn't mean for example, without watching Anderson play in Hartford, but seeing his terrible plus/ minus stats, compared to all but a couple Hartford teammates, that you can't make a assumption he is not good defensively. And then go watch him play Ranger games and surprise, he makes lots of mistakes. His Ranger defensive gaffes like his last game played, getting torched off the wall by his check who then carried the puck to the the net for a easy score, happen all to often. And probably had something to do with him sitting last game. It's no surprise he is making the same mistakes he undoubtedly was in Hartford where his plus/minus indicated there was a issue. Backed up by his previous NHL stints where he struggled big time blowing defensive assignments and multiple turnovers game after game. Only noticed on here when a goal is scored. Scouts are charting every shift, turnover, hit, shot, positive and negative plays players make every shift, period and game. I'm sure Anderssons game charts had lots to do with his spending a lot more time in Hartford than anticipated. Go figure.


What do you mean in the business? We're talking fans that post. You don't think there are fans and bloggers that use stats to the exclusion of everything else or did you just miss the initial comment?




This is part of a previous discussion Concust and I had. Nothing to do with you or we're. Its why I addressed his post and not anyone elses. I think that's pretty obvious.
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Get Rykov here and send Shattenkirk to Russia

Other websites have plenty of posters that think 22 is a good player.....can't make this up


Those are people that watch hockey through spreadsheets. I like the stats, but they have to be used in context.

Yep...it's insanity


Stats are used to give context to what you see, and vice versa. Relying on one or the other exclusively will give you a skewed view.




Nobody in the hockey business uses only stats or only watching games. They both have to be used together. But that doesn't mean for example, without watching Anderson play in Hartford, but seeing his terrible plus/ minus stats, compared to all but a couple Hartford teammates, that you can't make a assumption he is not good defensively. And then go watch him play Ranger games and surprise, he makes lots of mistakes. His Ranger defensive gaffes like his last game played, getting torched off the wall by his check who then carried the puck to the the net for a easy score, happen all to often. And probably had something to do with him sitting last game. It's no surprise he is making the same mistakes he undoubtedly was in Hartford where his plus/minus indicated there was a issue. Backed up by his previous NHL stints where he struggled big time blowing defensive assignments and multiple turnovers game after game. Only noticed on here when a goal is scored. Scouts are charting every shift, turnover, hit, shot, positive and negative plays players make every shift, period and game. I'm sure Anderssons game charts had lots to do with his spending a lot more time in Hartford than anticipated. Go figure.


What do you mean in the business? We're talking fans that post. You don't think there are fans and bloggers that use stats to the exclusion of everything else or did you just miss the initial comment?




This is part of a previous discussion Concust and I had. Nothing to do with you or we're. Its why I addressed his post and not anyone elses. I think that's pretty obvious.


It's pretty obvious to who when you quote a conversation about posters on a site and talk about something else? Why wouldn't you quote the previous conversation you were having then? Your thinking is wrong.
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Posted 2019-03-07 9:31 AM (#722244 - in reply to #722241)
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Get Rykov here and send Shattenkirk to Russia

Other websites have plenty of posters that think 22 is a good player.....can't make this up


Those are people that watch hockey through spreadsheets. I like the stats, but they have to be used in context.

Yep...it's insanity


Stats are used to give context to what you see, and vice versa. Relying on one or the other exclusively will give you a skewed view.




Nobody in the hockey business uses only stats or only watching games. They both have to be used together. But that doesn't mean for example, without watching Anderson play in Hartford, but seeing his terrible plus/ minus stats, compared to all but a couple Hartford teammates, that you can't make a assumption he is not good defensively. And then go watch him play Ranger games and surprise, he makes lots of mistakes. His Ranger defensive gaffes like his last game played, getting torched off the wall by his check who then carried the puck to the the net for a easy score, happen all to often. And probably had something to do with him sitting last game. It's no surprise he is making the same mistakes he undoubtedly was in Hartford where his plus/minus indicated there was a issue. Backed up by his previous NHL stints where he struggled big time blowing defensive assignments and multiple turnovers game after game. Only noticed on here when a goal is scored. Scouts are charting every shift, turnover, hit, shot, positive and negative plays players make every shift, period and game. I'm sure Anderssons game charts had lots to do with his spending a lot more time in Hartford than anticipated. Go figure.


What do you mean in the business? We're talking fans that post. You don't think there are fans and bloggers that use stats to the exclusion of everything else or did you just miss the initial comment?




This is part of a previous discussion Concust and I had. Nothing to do with you or we're. Its why I addressed his post and not anyone elses. I think that's pretty obvious.


It's pretty obvious to who when you quote a conversation about posters on a site and talk about something else? Why wouldn't you quote the previous conversation you were having then? Your thinking is wrong.





I'm paying a termite guy $200 for some cleanup. So I needed a good laugh. Thanks.
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Posted 2019-03-07 9:42 AM (#722245 - in reply to #707190)
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Posted 2019-03-07 9:43 AM (#722246 - in reply to #707190)
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Posted 2019-03-07 9:53 AM (#722247 - in reply to #707190)
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I was talking about fans. Rranger is the one that tied it back to previous conversation about Andersson, who we were not talking about in this thread.

But since he brought it up,

But that doesn't mean for example, without watching Anderson play in Hartford, but seeing his terrible plus/ minus stats, compared to all but a couple Hartford teammates, that you can't make a assumption he is not good defensively.


Apparently you have made that assumption, and ironically it runs counter to what I said about using stats and what you see to provide context for each other, so you must disagree and think that you can draw conclusions from seeing AHL plus minus and drawing conclusions?

I don't really know why I'm arguing with someone that uses plus minus as an analogue for defensive proficiency but I also need a good laugh.

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Posted 2019-03-07 11:18 AM (#722248 - in reply to #722244)
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Rangerjunkie - 2019-03-06 9:45 AM

Get Rykov here and send Shattenkirk to Russia

Other websites have plenty of posters that think 22 is a good player.....can't make this up


Those are people that watch hockey through spreadsheets. I like the stats, but they have to be used in context.

Yep...it's insanity


Stats are used to give context to what you see, and vice versa. Relying on one or the other exclusively will give you a skewed view.




Nobody in the hockey business uses only stats or only watching games. They both have to be used together. But that doesn't mean for example, without watching Anderson play in Hartford, but seeing his terrible plus/ minus stats, compared to all but a couple Hartford teammates, that you can't make a assumption he is not good defensively. And then go watch him play Ranger games and surprise, he makes lots of mistakes. His Ranger defensive gaffes like his last game played, getting torched off the wall by his check who then carried the puck to the the net for a easy score, happen all to often. And probably had something to do with him sitting last game. It's no surprise he is making the same mistakes he undoubtedly was in Hartford where his plus/minus indicated there was a issue. Backed up by his previous NHL stints where he struggled big time blowing defensive assignments and multiple turnovers game after game. Only noticed on here when a goal is scored. Scouts are charting every shift, turnover, hit, shot, positive and negative plays players make every shift, period and game. I'm sure Anderssons game charts had lots to do with his spending a lot more time in Hartford than anticipated. Go figure.


What do you mean in the business? We're talking fans that post. You don't think there are fans and bloggers that use stats to the exclusion of everything else or did you just miss the initial comment?




This is part of a previous discussion Concust and I had. Nothing to do with you or we're. Its why I addressed his post and not anyone elses. I think that's pretty obvious.


It's pretty obvious to who when you quote a conversation about posters on a site and talk about something else? Why wouldn't you quote the previous conversation you were having then? Your thinking is wrong.





I'm paying a termite guy $200 for some cleanup. So I needed a good laugh. Thanks.


Well termites had about as much to do with the conversation as your comment did so why not. While we're not on this subject, the cooling pump on my computer went and the hoses on the replacement were really long and hard to squeeze into the case. Keep that in mind if you have to replace yours.
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Posted 2019-03-07 11:28 AM (#722249 - in reply to #722248)
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Rangerjunkie - 2019-03-06 9:45 AM

Get Rykov here and send Shattenkirk to Russia

Other websites have plenty of posters that think 22 is a good player.....can't make this up


Those are people that watch hockey through spreadsheets. I like the stats, but they have to be used in context.

Yep...it's insanity


Stats are used to give context to what you see, and vice versa. Relying on one or the other exclusively will give you a skewed view.




Nobody in the hockey business uses only stats or only watching games. They both have to be used together. But that doesn't mean for example, without watching Anderson play in Hartford, but seeing his terrible plus/ minus stats, compared to all but a couple Hartford teammates, that you can't make a assumption he is not good defensively. And then go watch him play Ranger games and surprise, he makes lots of mistakes. His Ranger defensive gaffes like his last game played, getting torched off the wall by his check who then carried the puck to the the net for a easy score, happen all to often. And probably had something to do with him sitting last game. It's no surprise he is making the same mistakes he undoubtedly was in Hartford where his plus/minus indicated there was a issue. Backed up by his previous NHL stints where he struggled big time blowing defensive assignments and multiple turnovers game after game. Only noticed on here when a goal is scored. Scouts are charting every shift, turnover, hit, shot, positive and negative plays players make every shift, period and game. I'm sure Anderssons game charts had lots to do with his spending a lot more time in Hartford than anticipated. Go figure.


What do you mean in the business? We're talking fans that post. You don't think there are fans and bloggers that use stats to the exclusion of everything else or did you just miss the initial comment?




This is part of a previous discussion Concust and I had. Nothing to do with you or we're. Its why I addressed his post and not anyone elses. I think that's pretty obvious.


It's pretty obvious to who when you quote a conversation about posters on a site and talk about something else? Why wouldn't you quote the previous conversation you were having then? Your thinking is wrong.





I'm paying a termite guy $200 for some cleanup. So I needed a good laugh. Thanks.


Well termites had about as much to do with the conversation as your comment did so why not. While we're not on this subject, the cooling pump on my computer went and the hoses on the replacement were really long and hard to squeeze into the case. Keep that in mind if you have to replace yours.


Make sure you get that cooling system hooked back up cause there's nothing but hot takes in here.

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Posted 2019-03-07 12:00 PM (#722250 - in reply to #707190)
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Posted 2019-03-07 12:31 PM (#722251 - in reply to #722225)
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Rykov went from being the 7th Dman for SKA to the top pair on Sochi
.. that's all I know about it. Pretty sure he leads the team in scoring too, at least for D


He doesn't but he plays a lot of minutes, got the most minutes on his team the last 2 playoff games I believe. Coach trusts him. (Coach is Sergei Zubov)


I read he's been credited with 4 hits in his 160 odd games. Is that even possible for a defenseman? I know the hit stat doesn't mean much but 4? Maybe that wasn't written correctly.


He just likes to pick his spots


I'm surprised they even log a hits stat in Russia


Maybe in Russia hits means murders ? Even guys like Redden, and Yandle could post more body checks than that!
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Posted 2019-03-07 7:46 PM (#722324 - in reply to #722247)
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I was talking about fans. Rranger is the one that tied it back to previous conversation about Andersson, who we were not talking about in this thread.

But since he brought it up,

But that doesn't mean for example, without watching Anderson play in Hartford, but seeing his terrible plus/ minus stats, compared to all but a couple Hartford teammates, that you can't make a assumption he is not good defensively.


Apparently you have made that assumption, and ironically it runs counter to what I said about using stats and what you see to provide context for each other, so you must disagree and think that you can draw conclusions from seeing AHL plus minus and drawing conclusions?

I don't really know why I'm arguing with someone that uses plus minus as an analogue for defensive proficiency but I also need a good laugh.




Make up your mind what your talking about I'm talking about the assumptions based on his plus/minus stats in Hartford that he must suck defensively, and after watching him since he's been called up the assumption he sucks defensively has been proven and concluded. The rest of your post is babble and twisting words.
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Posted 2019-03-08 8:22 AM (#722355 - in reply to #722324)
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I was talking about fans. Rranger is the one that tied it back to previous conversation about Andersson, who we were not talking about in this thread.

But since he brought it up,

But that doesn't mean for example, without watching Anderson play in Hartford, but seeing his terrible plus/ minus stats, compared to all but a couple Hartford teammates, that you can't make a assumption he is not good defensively.


Apparently you have made that assumption, and ironically it runs counter to what I said about using stats and what you see to provide context for each other, so you must disagree and think that you can draw conclusions from seeing AHL plus minus and drawing conclusions?

I don't really know why I'm arguing with someone that uses plus minus as an analogue for defensive proficiency but I also need a good laugh.




Make up your mind what your talking about I'm talking about the assumptions based on his plus/minus stats in Hartford that he must suck defensively, and after watching him since he's been called up the assumption he sucks defensively has been proven and concluded. The rest of your post is babble and twisting words.


If you want to say "i've watched his games and I think he sucks defensively" then that's your right, I won't argue with that. I may disagree, but it's fair for you to make your own assessments.

However you're the one that assumed that he was bad defensively in the AHL based on plus minus, having not seen his play, and that's what i'm criticizing you for, and that's what I mean by saying that stats provide context to what you see and vice versa. You don't watch the AHL games but you look at plus minus, a flawed stat to begin with, and then you misinterpret what it means. So yeah I'm going to call you out on that.

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Posted 2019-03-08 8:55 AM (#722358 - in reply to #722355)
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I was talking about fans. Rranger is the one that tied it back to previous conversation about Andersson, who we were not talking about in this thread.

But since he brought it up,

But that doesn't mean for example, without watching Anderson play in Hartford, but seeing his terrible plus/ minus stats, compared to all but a couple Hartford teammates, that you can't make a assumption he is not good defensively.


Apparently you have made that assumption, and ironically it runs counter to what I said about using stats and what you see to provide context for each other, so you must disagree and think that you can draw conclusions from seeing AHL plus minus and drawing conclusions?

I don't really know why I'm arguing with someone that uses plus minus as an analogue for defensive proficiency but I also need a good laugh.




Make up your mind what your talking about I'm talking about the assumptions based on his plus/minus stats in Hartford that he must suck defensively, and after watching him since he's been called up the assumption he sucks defensively has been proven and concluded. The rest of your post is babble and twisting words.


If you want to say "i've watched his games and I think he sucks defensively" then that's your right, I won't argue with that. I may disagree, but it's fair for you to make your own assessments.

However you're the one that assumed that he was bad defensively in the AHL based on plus minus, having not seen his play, and that's what i'm criticizing you for, and that's what I mean by saying that stats provide context to what you see and vice versa. You don't watch the AHL games but you look at plus minus, a flawed stat to begin with, and then you misinterpret what it means. So yeah I'm going to call you out on that.






As I have said repeatedly, I look at the Hartford stats and make a ASSUMPTION that Andersson is bad defrensively. But you still have to see him play to confirm the ASSUMPTION. With Andersson anyone who watched his previous Ranger stints would be predisposed to him struggling defensively because he did. After watching his latest Ranger callup games I conclude his defense is still bad.
I assume You would agree if you see Joe Schmoe has 35 goals in 25 games in Hartford and gets called up to the Rangers, one would assume he can score. But he still has it to do. Just like Andersson has to play through the logical assumption he has defensive issues based on his Hartford numbers.
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Posted 2019-03-08 10:19 AM (#722365 - in reply to #722358)
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I was talking about fans. Rranger is the one that tied it back to previous conversation about Andersson, who we were not talking about in this thread.

But since he brought it up,

But that doesn't mean for example, without watching Anderson play in Hartford, but seeing his terrible plus/ minus stats, compared to all but a couple Hartford teammates, that you can't make a assumption he is not good defensively.


Apparently you have made that assumption, and ironically it runs counter to what I said about using stats and what you see to provide context for each other, so you must disagree and think that you can draw conclusions from seeing AHL plus minus and drawing conclusions?

I don't really know why I'm arguing with someone that uses plus minus as an analogue for defensive proficiency but I also need a good laugh.




Make up your mind what your talking about I'm talking about the assumptions based on his plus/minus stats in Hartford that he must suck defensively, and after watching him since he's been called up the assumption he sucks defensively has been proven and concluded. The rest of your post is babble and twisting words.


If you want to say "i've watched his games and I think he sucks defensively" then that's your right, I won't argue with that. I may disagree, but it's fair for you to make your own assessments.

However you're the one that assumed that he was bad defensively in the AHL based on plus minus, having not seen his play, and that's what i'm criticizing you for, and that's what I mean by saying that stats provide context to what you see and vice versa. You don't watch the AHL games but you look at plus minus, a flawed stat to begin with, and then you misinterpret what it means. So yeah I'm going to call you out on that.






As I have said repeatedly, I look at the Hartford stats and make a ASSUMPTION that Andersson is bad defrensively. But you still have to see him play to confirm the ASSUMPTION. With Andersson anyone who watched his previous Ranger stints would be predisposed to him struggling defensively because he did. After watching his latest Ranger callup games I conclude his defense is still bad.
I assume You would agree if you see Joe Schmoe has 35 goals in 25 games in Hartford and gets called up to the Rangers, one would assume he can score. But he still has it to do. Just like Andersson has to play through the logical assumption he has defensive issues based on his Hartford numbers.


When the team is -40 in goal differential you shouldn't assume someone's -24 or whatever is a result of being bad defensively. He may be, but your first assumption should be that the team is bad and the players with the worst +/- are the ones pressing for the tying goal with the goalie pulled and have a bunch of empty netters making the stat look worse.

You may have context now and be correct, but just looking at his +/- on a bad AHL team tells you nothing about his performance. If he's -24 and the team has a goal differential of +40 then you can rightly assume a problem. I guess you can assume anything you want but...
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Posted 2019-03-08 11:09 AM (#722367 - in reply to #707190)
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Assuming anything based on plus minus is just a bad assumption. For example, I shouldn't need to explain that "wins" for a goaltender is pretty useless. It's a team stat that, sure, the goalie contributes to, but it's horribly incorrect to say more wins = better goalie. Even GAA, while better, is a product of much more than a goalie's ability. You simply can't draw a direct conclusion, or even an ASSUMPTION, that is the case. Plus minus is even worse and has even less correlation to a player's defensive abilities, yet here we are.

Literally just google "why is plus minus a bad stat" and read some of the dozens of articles out there. Or if you want to be dismissive and say that internet hockey bloggers don't know anything, maybe listen to Brian Burke who called it a "horse sh!t stat." (He's "in the hockey business.")

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Posted 2019-03-08 5:52 PM (#722382 - in reply to #722365)
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I was talking about fans. Rranger is the one that tied it back to previous conversation about Andersson, who we were not talking about in this thread.

But since he brought it up,

But that doesn't mean for example, without watching Anderson play in Hartford, but seeing his terrible plus/ minus stats, compared to all but a couple Hartford teammates, that you can't make a assumption he is not good defensively.


Apparently you have made that assumption, and ironically it runs counter to what I said about using stats and what you see to provide context for each other, so you must disagree and think that you can draw conclusions from seeing AHL plus minus and drawing conclusions?

I don't really know why I'm arguing with someone that uses plus minus as an analogue for defensive proficiency but I also need a good laugh.




Make up your mind what your talking about I'm talking about the assumptions based on his plus/minus stats in Hartford that he must suck defensively, and after watching him since he's been called up the assumption he sucks defensively has been proven and concluded. The rest of your post is babble and twisting words.


If you want to say "i've watched his games and I think he sucks defensively" then that's your right, I won't argue with that. I may disagree, but it's fair for you to make your own assessments.

However you're the one that assumed that he was bad defensively in the AHL based on plus minus, having not seen his play, and that's what i'm criticizing you for, and that's what I mean by saying that stats provide context to what you see and vice versa. You don't watch the AHL games but you look at plus minus, a flawed stat to begin with, and then you misinterpret what it means. So yeah I'm going to call you out on that.






As I have said repeatedly, I look at the Hartford stats and make a ASSUMPTION that Andersson is bad defrensively. But you still have to see him play to confirm the ASSUMPTION. With Andersson anyone who watched his previous Ranger stints would be predisposed to him struggling defensively because he did. After watching his latest Ranger callup games I conclude his defense is still bad.
I assume You would agree if you see Joe Schmoe has 35 goals in 25 games in Hartford and gets called up to the Rangers, one would assume he can score. But he still has it to do. Just like Andersson has to play through the logical assumption he has defensive issues based on his Hartford numbers.


When the team is -40 in goal differential you shouldn't assume someone's -24 or whatever is a result of being bad defensively. He may be, but your first assumption should be that the team is bad and the players with the worst +/- are the ones pressing for the tying goal with the goalie pulled and have a bunch of empty netters making the stat look worse.

You may have context now and be correct, but just looking at his +/- on a bad AHL team tells you nothing about his performance. If he's -24 and the team has a goal differential of +40 then you can rightly assume a problem. I guess you can assume anything you want but...





When the team is minus 40 and the only forwards with ridiculous +/- are the immortal Bobby Butler and Lias Andersson at -24 and the next worst are only minus 13 then minus 11, I will make a asumption his defense bears watching, which is a assumption. And then watch to see why, if in fact its him or circumstances. I have watched him closely since he came back up and its him. Unlike like your assumption that he's on the ice for empty net goals against, which is your unsubstantiated assumption, otherwise known as hot air. But its ok for you to assume, but not others. Lol. Sure I get it.
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Posted 2019-03-08 6:12 PM (#722383 - in reply to #722367)
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concust - 2019-03-08 10:09 AM

Assuming anything based on plus minus is just a bad assumption. For example, I shouldn't need to explain that "wins" for a goaltender is pretty useless. It's a team stat that, sure, the goalie contributes to, but it's horribly incorrect to say more wins = better goalie. Even GAA, while better, is a product of much more than a goalie's ability. You simply can't draw a direct conclusion, or even an ASSUMPTION, that is the case. Plus minus is even worse and has even less correlation to a player's defensive abilities, yet here we are.

Literally just google "why is plus minus a bad stat" and read some of the dozens of articles out there. Or if you want to be dismissive and say that internet hockey bloggers don't know anything, maybe listen to Brian Burke who called it a "horse sh!t stat." (He's "in the hockey business."







Your making it sound like I've said its the be all end all, and I've never said that always quantified it by saying viewing the player was necessary to make a conclusion. I'm not sure what part of that your missing. The difference in plus minus between the immortal Bobby Butler and Andersson and other forwards is very hefty. Another tell in the use of statistics. When players stats deviate from the group. And you can use stats any way that you want, I don't mind forming assumptions on players before seeing them using stats and then have a bit of a gameplan of what I'm looking for in a player. That was the discussion, Andersson being a pretty good example was used. And yes Brian Burke has more than a couple player agents laughing their ass off that +/- is a horse**** stat never used by him in a contract negotiation.

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Posted 2019-03-09 7:40 AM (#722387 - in reply to #707190)
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+/- is one thing, I'm more concerned about his offensive output, or lack of at the AHL level. To me this is much more troublesome..........
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Posted 2019-03-10 11:56 AM (#722467 - in reply to #707190)
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Kravtsov went to go hang out with his dad while they figure out where he'll play hockey next.

Rykov was eliminated from the playoffs, and in limbo as well....

Shestyorkin moves on to the semifinals
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Posted 2019-03-11 8:14 AM (#722478 - in reply to #707190)
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Vancouver just signed Quinn Hughes, which basically confirms that if Kravtsov signs either with the Rangers or the Wolf Pack on ATO, he will be ineligible for the expansion draft if he plays under 11 pro games.

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Traktor won't terminate Vitali Kravtsov's contract, team's GM just confirmed me that, so don't expect Kravtsov to join #NYR this season
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Posted 2019-03-12 9:17 AM (#722552 - in reply to #722549)
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Traktor won't terminate Vitali Kravtsov's contract, team's GM just confirmed me that, so don't expect Kravtsov to join #NYR this season


This contradicts their earlier statement, and historically KHL teams (Traktor included) have been willing to do this, so without putting on my tinfoil hat I think Kravtsov doesn't see a good situation to come over to for the end of this year, and have asked Traktor to provide cover for him.
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Posted 2019-03-12 9:25 AM (#722553 - in reply to #707190)
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Maybe Gorton is in on it...
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Posted 2019-03-12 10:31 AM (#722554 - in reply to #722553)
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Maybe Gorton is in on it...


It's possible that Gorton told him we'd love to have you here in Hartford (save a year on ELC) and Kravtsov didn't want to do that but he also didn't want to look like the bad guy, so Traktor stepped in and said we're not releasing him from his contract.
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Posted 2019-03-12 10:37 AM (#722555 - in reply to #722554)
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Mikey Red - 2019-03-12 10:25 AM

Maybe Gorton is in on it...


It's possible that Gorton told him we'd love to have you here in Hartford (save a year on ELC) and Kravtsov didn't want to do that but he also didn't want to look like the bad guy, so Traktor stepped in and said we're not releasing him from his contract.

Yep...but if not...If Gorton said go back to KHL for more seasoning if hes not ready for NHL....Then Traktor is burning a bridge here
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Posted 2019-03-12 1:24 PM (#722565 - in reply to #722552)
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Traktor won't terminate Vitali Kravtsov's contract, team's GM just confirmed me that, so don't expect Kravtsov to join #NYR this season


This contradicts their earlier statement, and historically KHL teams (Traktor included) have been willing to do this, so without putting on my tinfoil hat I think Kravtsov doesn't see a good situation to come over to for the end of this year, and have asked Traktor to provide cover for him.


He's about to leave home for good.... He can milk it. Play for Team Russia in the tournament, and enjoy being at home while it lasts... world's about to change
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Posted 2019-03-13 7:07 AM (#722569 - in reply to #707190)
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Traktor's GM has given a statement regarding Kravtsov. One of the reasons they don't want to release him is because it means losing his KHL rights, and with a possible NHL lockout they would give up a valuable asset by doing so. #NYR



That actually makes much more sense than my conspiracy theory
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Posted 2019-03-13 8:11 AM (#722570 - in reply to #722569)
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Traktor's GM has given a statement regarding Kravtsov. One of the reasons they don't want to release him is because it means losing his KHL rights, and with a possible NHL lockout they would give up a valuable asset by doing so. #NYR



That actually makes much more sense than my conspiracy theory





Yes it was a bit of a stretch.
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Posted 2019-03-14 11:04 AM (#722690 - in reply to #707190)
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Almost a year later, I'm curious as to who would still prefer Wahlstrom over Kravtsov. Anyone? If so, why?
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Posted 2019-03-15 8:26 AM (#722711 - in reply to #722690)
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Almost a year later, I'm curious as to who would still prefer Wahlstrom over Kravtsov. Anyone? If so, why?
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Wow, nobody?
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Posted 2019-03-15 8:37 AM (#722712 - in reply to #722711)
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Almost a year later, I'm curious as to who would still prefer Wahlstrom over Kravtsov. Anyone? If so, why?
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Wow, nobody?

I wanted Wahlstrom....he didnt have a good year at BC....But I can't say yet we made the better choice...its gotta play out
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Posted 2019-03-15 9:50 AM (#722715 - in reply to #722711)
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Almost a year later, I'm curious as to who would still prefer Wahlstrom over Kravtsov. Anyone? If so, why?
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Wow, nobody?


Well I don't know anything about prospects so I can say I'd rather have him. Our ratio of Canadian players is too low. They still make up 45% of the players in the league but I think we only have 3 on the team. Moar Canadians are needed and we should have picked one there.
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Posted 2019-03-15 10:10 AM (#722720 - in reply to #722715)
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Almost a year later, I'm curious as to who would still prefer Wahlstrom over Kravtsov. Anyone? If so, why?
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Wow, nobody?


Well I don't know anything about prospects so I can say I'd rather have him. Our ratio of Canadian players is too low. They still make up 45% of the players in the league but I think we only have 3 on the team. Moar Canadians are needed and we should have picked one there.

Def moar NA kids are needed....Lemieux ADA Howden Lindgren types are the kids I want to see Gordie Clark start drafting
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Posted 2019-03-15 6:05 PM (#722738 - in reply to #722712)
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Almost a year later, I'm curious as to who would still prefer Wahlstrom over Kravtsov. Anyone? If so, why?
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Wow, nobody?

I wanted Wahlstrom....he didnt have a good year at BC....But I can't say yet we made the better choice...its gotta play out


True, too early to tell, way too early. THN loves this Kravtsov player, they say if he keeps up the progress that he is showing, Rangers have a steal.
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