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Posted 2018-11-05 3:33 PM (#713253)
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https://www.nhl.com/rangers/news/rangers-recall-lias-andersson-from-...
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Posted 2018-11-05 3:52 PM (#713254 - in reply to #713253)
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Hmmm...Interesting...If Howden is day to day...What happens?....I doubt its a call up to just get sent back down
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Posted 2018-11-05 3:55 PM (#713255 - in reply to #713253)
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Posted 2018-11-05 3:58 PM (#713256 - in reply to #713253)
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I'm thinking and hoping there's a trade in the works.
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Posted 2018-11-05 3:59 PM (#713257 - in reply to #713256)
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rjpny75 - 2018-11-05 5:58 PM

I'm thinking and hoping there's a trade in the works.

#me too
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Posted 2018-11-05 4:12 PM (#713258 - in reply to #713253)
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Howden isn't going to play next game. He got injured, and though he's day to day there's no reason for him to push himself and play through the strain. Especially when Lias has earned a look.

If he contributes, look for Lettieri to be sent down. I hope.
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Posted 2018-11-05 4:15 PM (#713259 - in reply to #713253)
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They should of swapped Beleskey and McCleod too....There is no purpose whatsoever of having McCleod on this team....I am just not sure what game JG is watching up there
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Posted 2018-11-05 6:46 PM (#713261 - in reply to #713253)
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Well it remains to be seen the plan, predicated I’m assuming on Howden health. Could be a bit of a reward, give Andersson a taste and down he goes again when Howden is healthy. With the callup of Andersson it’s almost a given Howden sits against montreal. Already struggling to get Chytil ice time at center it makes no sense to keep Chytil and Andersson on the roster at the same time unless Hayes gets moved. Andersson will not replace McLeod, unless the Ranger braintrust like playing Chytil and Andersson 8 minutes a game. Don’t see that happening. I’m watching this one to see the PLAN the Rangers have, betting one of Chytil or Andersson will go to Hartford when Howden returns.
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Posted 2018-11-05 6:54 PM (#713262 - in reply to #713261)
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Well it remains to be seen the plan, predicated I’m assuming on Howden health. Could be a bit of a reward, give Andersson a taste and down he goes again when Howden is healthy. With the callup of Andersson it’s almost a given Howden sits against montreal. Already struggling to get Chytil ice time at center it makes no sense to keep Chytil and Andersson on the roster at the same time unless Hayes gets moved. Andersson will not replace McLeod, unless the Ranger braintrust like playing Chytil and Andersson 8 minutes a game. Don’t see that happening. I’m watching this one to see the PLAN the Rangers have, betting one of Chytil or Andersson will go to Hartford when Howden returns.


I hope it's Chytil they send down. Get some 1st line minutes and role. I think if Andersson out outplays him in the big show, and I mean all around game and not just points, they'll almost have to send Chytil down.

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Posted 2018-11-05 7:28 PM (#713264 - in reply to #713262)
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Well it remains to be seen the plan, predicated I’m assuming on Howden health. Could be a bit of a reward, give Andersson a taste and down he goes again when Howden is healthy. With the callup of Andersson it’s almost a given Howden sits against montreal. Already struggling to get Chytil ice time at center it makes no sense to keep Chytil and Andersson on the roster at the same time unless Hayes gets moved. Andersson will not replace McLeod, unless the Ranger braintrust like playing Chytil and Andersson 8 minutes a game. Don’t see that happening. I’m watching this one to see the PLAN the Rangers have, betting one of Chytil or Andersson will go to Hartford when Howden returns.


I hope it's Chytil they send down. Get some 1st line minutes and role. I think if Andersson out outplays him in the big show, and I mean all around game and not just points, they'll almost have to send Chytil down.





I’d like to see both go down til after the all star break at least. Andersson has had a good AHL start and learning to play consistently removing swings in his game. His body of work so far this season is to small to make a correct decision if he’s ready to stick. The Rangers can’t seem to protect themselves from themselves. To bring him up and send him down in the near future would be a kick in the teeth for him again. I said it before don’t bring him up til you know he’s not going back.
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Posted 2018-11-06 2:41 AM (#713265 - in reply to #713253)
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About freakin time
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Posted 2018-11-06 9:24 AM (#713278 - in reply to #713261)
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Well it remains to be seen the plan, predicated I’m assuming on Howden health.


They planned to recall him prior to Howden's injury, I believe because Nieves is close to returning and can be sent down without waivers. So Andersson takes Nieves' spot on the 23 and Nieves goes down to Wolf Pack to begin his season. Howden's injury was not an immediate factor.

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Posted 2018-11-06 12:55 PM (#713284 - in reply to #713278)
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Well it remains to be seen the plan, predicated I’m assuming on Howden health.


They planned to recall him prior to Howden's injury, I believe because Nieves is close to returning and can be sent down without waivers. So Andersson takes Nieves' spot on the 23 and Nieves goes down to Wolf Pack to begin his season. Howden's injury was not an immediate factor.



They may give Boo a look and send Lettieri down. He hasn't done anything this year so far other than show he's an AHLer.
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Posted 2018-11-06 1:58 PM (#713285 - in reply to #713284)
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Well it remains to be seen the plan, predicated I’m assuming on Howden health.


They planned to recall him prior to Howden's injury, I believe because Nieves is close to returning and can be sent down without waivers. So Andersson takes Nieves' spot on the 23 and Nieves goes down to Wolf Pack to begin his season. Howden's injury was not an immediate factor.



They may give Boo a look and send Lettieri down. He hasn't done anything this year so far other than show he's an AHLer.


That is also a possibility. Although I wonder with Nieves missing so much game time, if throwing him right into NHL game speed from a month off due to concussion is the the prudent course of action.
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Posted 2018-11-06 3:46 PM (#713287 - in reply to #713285)
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concust - 2018-11-06 3:58 PM

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Rranger - 2018-11-05 7:46 PM

Well it remains to be seen the plan, predicated I’m assuming on Howden health.


They planned to recall him prior to Howden's injury, I believe because Nieves is close to returning and can be sent down without waivers. So Andersson takes Nieves' spot on the 23 and Nieves goes down to Wolf Pack to begin his season. Howden's injury was not an immediate factor.



They may give Boo a look and send Lettieri down. He hasn't done anything this year so far other than show he's an AHLer.


That is also a possibility. Although I wonder with Nieves missing so much game time, if throwing him right into NHL game speed from a month off due to concussion is the the prudent course of action.

This is a good point.
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Posted 2018-11-06 3:48 PM (#713288 - in reply to #713278)
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Well it remains to be seen the plan, predicated I’m assuming on Howden health.


They planned to recall him prior to Howden's injury, I believe because Nieves is close to returning and can be sent down without waivers. So Andersson takes Nieves' spot on the 23 and Nieves goes down to Wolf Pack to begin his season. Howden's injury was not an immediate factor.







McQuaid went on injured reserve and Andersson took his spot. The Rangers have a overload already at center severely restricting Chytil’s at center quality ice. Right now he’s fourth line center. Howden is reportedly sitting tonight, opening a center spot for Andersson. Once Howden returns, a center overload will exist again magnified by the new presence of Andersson. Sending Nieves down has zero impact on to many centres.
Unless of course the Rangers like playing Chytil 6-8 minutes a game so much they are going to put Andersson on on his wing, and play him 6-8 minutes a night also. That I would expect after the way those two have been handled. But if Gorton remains true to his word one of Chytil or Andersson will be going back when Howden returns.

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Posted 2018-11-08 5:17 PM (#713497 - in reply to #713253)
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Zuccarello out for two games according to the post, putting off any decision. And Andersson centering the fourth line with Chytil on the wing along with Lettieri. I get the sense Quinn is on top of this and has those two’s best interests in focus, so I guess we let it play out a few games to see his plan. Andersson playing10 minutes a night centering a fourth line with a little more fierce winger than Chytil might not be a bad thing. The kid wants to skate around taking reckless high sticking penalties he’s going to get challenged real soon. McLeod and Belesky might help that line just bang and crash and babysit Andersson. Beleskey and Andersson just might pop a few. It’s not like Lettieri is doing anything Belesky can’t do better. Leaving Chytil odd man out and Hartford bound as he’s not yet able to crack the top nine. And the Ranger playbook for how not to handle top end prospects would continue, but in fairness to them when’s the last time they had any to manage.
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Posted 2018-11-08 7:14 PM (#713498 - in reply to #713253)
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Posted 2018-12-28 3:46 PM (#716969 - in reply to #713253)
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And down goes Andersson to Hartford. I'm starting to feel sorry for the kid and the totally inept handling of his best hockey interests, and the New York Rangers interest in his success. Starts in Sweden last year, onto World Juniors, over to Hartford up to the Rangers with only some limited success in Hartford. On to starting this year in Hartford just getting his game going, and gets called up, chucked on the fourth line, because that's where he belonged at this point in time, and now without doing much to warrant staying in New York its back to Hartford to play catch up there again. In fairness to him not much opportunity in his time up here, but certainly enough time to attract some positive attention and more play. I just hope his attitude is good going to Hartford and he doesn't go sour.

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Posted 2019-01-07 3:29 PM (#717707 - in reply to #716969)
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RoundNum.Drafted ByPlayerPosDrafted FromGPGAPtsPIMLast Season
            
17NY RangersLias AnderssonCHV71 Jonkoping [SweHL]28246122018-19
18BuffaloCasey MittelstadtCGreen Bay Gamblers [USHL]486101682018-19
19DetroitMichael RasmussenCTri-City Americans [WHL]416713192018-19
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Posted 2019-01-07 3:37 PM (#717709 - in reply to #713253)
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Posted 2019-01-08 12:45 PM (#717717 - in reply to #713253)
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Eddie = what's your point? Mittelstadt and Rasmussen aren't exactly tearing it up. I'd go so far as to say if Lias played 40 or so games with more than 7-8 minutes a game and with other than the likes of McLeod, Spooner, Lettieri, Belesky, Nieves that he'd have stats at least the same as either Mittelstadt or Rasmussen. Time will tell in the long run, but way too early to pass judgement against these 2. All in all, its looking like it just happened to be one of the weaker drafts in recent years

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Posted 2019-01-08 1:08 PM (#717718 - in reply to #713253)
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Lias was on the 4th line and got 7-8 minutes a game for a reason....He was also given a chance with other players than the ones mentioned above....

It is too early to claim him a bust. But, it doesn't look that great for him. His ONE goal this year went off his rear end for crying out loud.
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Posted 2019-01-08 3:39 PM (#717719 - in reply to #713253)
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Andersson hasn't really gotten a fair shot this season so far. You can say that he needs to work out of the bottom 6 and there's a level of validity to that, but the fact is you don't want to be punitive with your own prospects, you want to give them some opportunities to succeed, even if they don't "earn" them in the traditional sense of the word. If every prospect was held to veteran production standards, no one would ever work their way out of the bottom 6.

It's also an absurdly small sample size. Mittlestadt had 3 points in his first 12 games and Sabres fans were up in arms. He had a good November and then cooled off again. He has 2 points in his last 15 games despite incredibly sheltered usage (75% offensive zone starts, PP time)

The cause for the lack of production, is primarily that he's been playing on the fourth line (like Andersson did primarily, with us). Who you play with has a huge impact on your production. Frankly Buffalo's fourth line, and team in general, is more talented than the Rangers', and this really isn't a good enough situation enough right now for Andersson to drive play on his own. (Mittlestadt, for all his talent, is not doing this either). Similarly, Rasmussen is playing primarily on the fourth line, when he's not in the press box himself. And while the Wings have less talent overall than the Sabres, they do roll 4 lines pretty consistently so when Rasmussend does play he gets a decent share of ice time to make up for the lower talent level on his team.

My point is not Andersson > Mittlestadt > Rasmussen or the opposite, rather that comparing players from 2017 at this point is pretty pointless.
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Posted 2019-01-08 3:43 PM (#717720 - in reply to #713253)
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If your comparison is valid, so is mine:

Cody Glass 2017 6th overall 0 GP 0 G 0 A 0 Pts
Lias Andersson 2017 7th overall 28 GP 2 G 4 A 6 Pts
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Posted 2019-01-08 6:18 PM (#717723 - in reply to #713253)
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Mine too

Lias 2017 6th overall 28 GP 2 G 4 A 6 Pts
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Posted 2019-01-08 6:19 PM (#717724 - in reply to #713253)
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And Chytil had a lot of 4th line time too
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Posted 2019-01-08 6:35 PM (#717726 - in reply to #713253)
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We can't dismiss how young these guys are. For some reason we expect them to be at their full potential when they're teenagers.

Andersson and Chytil are GOING to be good players. They're almost ready for major roles, they're simply not done developing yet.... and that's ok.... it doesn't make them busts, or mistakes or whatever else. It just means they haven't met your unfair expectations
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Posted 2019-01-08 7:23 PM (#717727 - in reply to #713253)
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When Lias was drafted we were told he's NHL ready. Why is it unfair to expect him to be in the NHL? I said he shouldn't be declared a bust. But, 2 years later you would expect "when we're told NHL ready" that he would be playing more than 7 minutes a game.

Don't see how thats unfair at all.

Chytil has shown that he can develop into a good player. I haven't seen that from Lias. And, apparently neither did AV or DQ.

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Posted 2019-01-08 7:35 PM (#717728 - in reply to #713253)
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Posted 2019-01-08 7:44 PM (#717730 - in reply to #717728)
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NHL ready


Was definitely fake news
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Posted 2019-01-08 8:00 PM (#717745 - in reply to #713253)
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The issue on draft day is that the Rangers are one of only a few teams that would have taken Andersson over Middlestadt. Been reported over and over. Many “suprised” pundits on draft day. It still has to play out some more but my money is still on Middlestadt over Andersson at the end of the careers.
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Posted 2019-01-09 8:55 AM (#717835 - in reply to #717745)
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Rranger - 2019-01-08 9:00 PM

The issue on draft day is that the Rangers are one of only a few teams that would have taken Andersson over Middlestadt. Been reported over and over. Many “suprised” pundits on draft day. It still has to play out some more but my money is still on Middlestadt over Andersson at the end of the careers.


Yeah probably, especially if you're going to judge by point totals. I take the more talented guy 95% of the time.
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Posted 2019-01-09 12:02 PM (#717837 - in reply to #717730)
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Rangerjunkie - 2019-01-08 9:44 PM

Mikey Red - 2019-01-08 7:35 PM

NHL ready


Was definitely fake news

Definitely
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Posted 2019-01-10 6:35 AM (#717842 - in reply to #717835)
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Rranger - 2019-01-08 9:00 PM

The issue on draft day is that the Rangers are one of only a few teams that would have taken Andersson over Middlestadt. Been reported over and over. Many “suprised” pundits on draft day. It still has to play out some more but my money is still on Middlestadt over Andersson at the end of the careers.


Yeah probably, especially if you're going to judge by point totals. I take the more talented guy 95% of the time.




Over all value, the points will be a added bonus.
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Posted 2019-02-07 5:22 AM (#719657 - in reply to #713253)
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Last 13 games, 3 points, minus 10 with 17 shots on goal and 7 were in one game. I believe that is the middle finger Lias is showing Quinn and Gorton. Will not be surprised at all if he is dealt if the deal makes sense.

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Yep I buy that...When Lias threw his silver medal into the stands lots of places said oh look at his burning desire to win....I saw a punk spoiled brat....I guess Gordie missed that
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Mikey Red - 2019-02-07 8:36 AM

Yep I buy that...When Lias threw his silver medal into the stands lots of places said oh look at his burning desire to win....I saw a punk spoiled brat....I guess Gordie missed that
He was just stupid then but did he get smarter?
He tried to impress people but instead he made a foo of himself.
If he has leaythen he might become a good player but if hasn’t learned anything from that experience then so long.
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Mikey Red - 2019-02-07 8:36 AM

Yep I buy that...When Lias threw his silver medal into the stands lots of places said oh look at his burning desire to win....I saw a punk spoiled brat....I guess Gordie missed that
He was just stupid then but did he get smarter?
He tried to impress people but instead he made a foo of himself.
If he has leaythen he might become a good player but if hasn’t learned anything from that experience then so long.

Yes indeed Blue
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Mikey Red - 2019-02-07 6:34 PM

Blue404 - 2019-02-07 6:26 PM

Mikey Red - 2019-02-07 8:36 AM

Yep I buy that...When Lias threw his silver medal into the stands lots of places said oh look at his burning desire to win....I saw a punk spoiled brat....I guess Gordie missed that
He was just stupid then but did he get smarter?
He tried to impress people but instead he made a foo of himself.
If he has leaythen he might become a good player but if hasn’t learned anything from that experience then so long.

Yes indeed Blue
Look at that.Those bums dressed in white hacked my phone! lol
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Blue404 - 2019-02-07 6:52 PM

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Blue404 - 2019-02-07 6:26 PM

Mikey Red - 2019-02-07 8:36 AM

Yep I buy that...When Lias threw his silver medal into the stands lots of places said oh look at his burning desire to win....I saw a punk spoiled brat....I guess Gordie missed that
He was just stupid then but did he get smarter?
He tried to impress people but instead he made a foo of himself.
If he has leaythen he might become a good player but if hasn’t learned anything from that experience then so long.

Yes indeed Blue
Look at that.Those bums dressed in white hacked my phone! lol

Hahahah where are the assistants?
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His last 8 games he has 1 primary point, 1!!!!!
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itsmcilrathtime - 2019-02-07 5:22 AM

Last 13 games, 3 points, minus 10 with 17 shots on goal and 7 were in one game. I believe that is the middle finger Lias is showing Quinn and Gorton. Will not be surprised at all if he is dealt if the deal makes sense.


If thats his way of giving the middle finger, by not playing hard in the AHL then I say trade him now. Kid has shown to be a punk
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I still can't believe we picked Jesper Fast Lite over Mittelstadt. Fire Gordie.
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I still can't believe we picked Jesper Fast Lite over Mittelstadt. Fire Gordie.
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He's Jesper Fast because that's the guy Pierre said he's like on draft day.... Pierre.... even though Lias is a center and a lefty and plays a more physical game and goes to the front of the net.... he's Fast.... because he's a defensively responsible Swede....
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Then he's Jan Erixon lite lol
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-15, not too good for a defensively responsible Swede.........
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Posted 2019-02-08 8:35 AM (#719690 - in reply to #719685)
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Mikey Red - 2019-02-08 8:43 AM

Then he's Jan Erixon lite lol


I LOLed but Jan Erixon is one of my favorite ex-Rangers.
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Posted 2019-02-08 8:40 AM (#719693 - in reply to #719690)
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Mikey Red - 2019-02-08 8:43 AM

Then he's Jan Erixon lite lol


I LOLed but Jan Erixon is one of my favorite ex-Rangers.

Hahah yeah he was great shadowing Mario....scored a playoff goal here and there
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Posted 2019-02-09 5:05 AM (#719755 - in reply to #713253)
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Posted 2019-02-09 7:47 AM (#719759 - in reply to #713253)
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Package Lias for a better return. Let him be a 3rd line center somewhere else.
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Posted 2019-02-09 8:45 AM (#719761 - in reply to #719759)
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Rangerjunkie - 2019-02-09 9:47 AM

Package Lias for a better return. Let him be a 3rd line center somewhere else.

Yep and send Clarke with him too
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Posted 2019-02-09 8:55 AM (#719764 - in reply to #713253)
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Buch, Lias and Pionk and TBL conditional pick we have for Panarin if he signs extension right away. Gives us a reason to root against TBL.
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Posted 2019-02-09 12:25 PM (#719766 - in reply to #713253)
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Middlestadt pots another one....would be nice to have him and Heatl here....F you Gordie Clarke
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Posted 2019-02-09 12:43 PM (#719767 - in reply to #713253)
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Ryan Graves with a woof turnover leading to an Isles goal
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Posted 2019-02-09 7:03 PM (#719771 - in reply to #713253)
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I said on draft day Lias was a mistake only because a Middlestadt skill set doesn’t grow on trees, character players do. With any kind of surge by Middlestadt over the second half and he’s looking at approaching 40 points in his rookie season which beats the hell out of a guy who can’t make the league. And Middlestadt numbers will grow, the kid is a point producer. Andersson can still possibly be a player but he’s full bore under the light now, and let the worrying begin.

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Posted 2019-02-12 9:05 AM (#719953 - in reply to #719771)
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Rranger - 2019-02-09 9:03 PM

I said on draft day Lias was a mistake only because a Middlestadt skill set doesn’t grow on trees, character players do. With any kind of surge by Middlestadt over the second half and he’s looking at approaching 40 points in his rookie season which beats the hell out of a guy who can’t make the league. And Middlestadt numbers will grow, the kid is a point producer. Andersson can still possibly be a player but he’s full bore under the light now, and let the worrying begin.


That'll have to be some surge. He's got 19 points in 55 games, including 7 in the last 10. To me, that was his surge. He'll need 21 in the remaining 27 games. I don't see him getting close to 40. Maybe 30.

I'm finally down on Andersson now too, but I still think Middlestadt will end up a 3rd liner, PP specialist at best. See holes in his game too
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Posted 2019-02-12 9:09 AM (#719954 - in reply to #713253)
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It's early still, and keep in mind that Andersson is playing for a pretty sh!tty Hartford team - they've not been good the last few years and the last few months have been among the worst in recent memory. So know that as you point out things like how bad his +/- is in the AHL or how few points he's scored. Hartford bascially stopped scoring in December.

Not to say a comparison vs Mittlestadt isn't warranted, Mittlestadt certainly has the early edge, but remember they're different types of players and expectations should be in line accordingly.

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Posted 2019-02-12 9:59 AM (#719957 - in reply to #713253)
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Boo Nieves has developed into a more confident, straight ahead, player this season. Would like to see Andersson do the same soon. Nieves looks faster, stronger, so maybe Andersson needs to grow physically in the offseason. Heck, even stars like Crosby, Tavares and Barzal took a few seasons to mature physically before becoming more confident, aggressive players.

Not ready to give up on the kid, but I'd like to see a better approach when he gets ice time.
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Posted 2019-02-12 12:44 PM (#719967 - in reply to #719954)
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concust - 2019-02-12 9:09 AM

It's early still, and keep in mind that Andersson is playing for a pretty sh!tty Hartford team - they've not been good the last few years and the last few months have been among the worst in recent memory. So know that as you point out things like how bad his +/- is in the AHL or how few points he's scored. Hartford bascially stopped scoring in December.

Not to say a comparison vs Mittlestadt isn't warranted, Mittlestadt certainly has the early edge, but remember they're different types of players and expectations should be in line accordingly.



It is very true that Hartford is pretty bad, but, Lias has the 3rd worst +/- on the team. Just last week he was -15, now he's -20, if the trend continues he'll have the worst - in two more games
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Posted 2019-02-12 1:03 PM (#719969 - in reply to #713253)
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Brian Leetch was -36 in 1998, fourth worst in the league. That's what happens when you play all situations for a bad team.
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Posted 2019-02-12 1:14 PM (#719971 - in reply to #713253)
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Kevin Shattenkirk doesn't play all situations and yet he has the worst +/- of all defenseman.

What is all situations? Maybe you can help clarify.
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Posted 2019-02-13 11:06 AM (#720128 - in reply to #719971)
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Rangerjunkie - 2019-02-12 2:14 PM

Kevin Shattenkirk doesn't play all situations and yet he has the worst +/- of all defenseman.

What is all situations? Maybe you can help clarify.


All game situations. Offensive zone, defensive zone faceooffs, ahead, tied, trailing. Stats are easily goosed by giving players different assignments and sheltering them. When you're not sheltered (like Leetch) and you're expected to be out there all the time, and your team is horrible - a huge minus number is not only common but expected. It doesn't really mean anything.
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Posted 2019-02-13 11:15 AM (#720129 - in reply to #713253)
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To keep Andersson's development in perspective - last night the Rangers played another #7 overall pick who was expected to be picked mid-teens. At the same age as Andersson is now, this player had 1 point in 11 NHL games. He had 3 pts last night and has 68 in 57 games this year.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tit0E-54rLw

"Wow. That's our first real jump up Bob (McKenzie). Mark Scheifele, you had ranked 12th, in your ranking, and Scheifele jumps into the top 10, going 7th to the Winnipeg Jets."
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Posted 2019-02-13 11:26 AM (#720131 - in reply to #713253)
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https://thehockeywriters.com/winnipeg-jets-scheifele-better-couturie...


Cheveldayoff didn’t reap immediate rewards by drafting Scheifele. The year after the 2011 draft did nothing to quell ire or doubt. Many still felt the Jets should have opted for Couturier, the high-profile QMJHL standout, instead.

...

Couturier stepped directly into the NHL’s bright lights and didn’t blink. In the 2011-12 season, the teenager played 77 games, tallied 27 points, went to the NHL All-Star Game skills competition as a member of the rookie team, and carved out a niche on the penalty kill. Not a bad rookie campaign.

Scheifele, meanwhile, was raw and not ready for prime time. After seven games with the Jets to start the year, they sent him back to Barrie, where his offensive numbers actually regressed.
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The move didn’t look any better in 2012-13. Couturier took a step back, splitting time between the Flyers and their AHL affiliate in Adirondack, but still logged 46 NHL games. Meanwhile, Scheifele went back to the Colts again, and while he had an outstanding season, tallying 79 points in a mere 45 games, he’d not yet made a splash in the NHL.



I'm not saying Andersson will turn out to be Scheifiele, and Mittlestadt is the next Coutourier, but I am saying that if you're passing along a final judgement on a prospect who just turned 20, you don't pay much attention to what happens with other prospects around the league or you're just blinded by impatience.
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Posted 2019-02-13 11:56 AM (#720132 - in reply to #719954)
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concust - 2019-02-12 11:09 AM

It's early still, and keep in mind that Andersson is playing for a pretty sh!tty Hartford team - they've not been good the last few years and the last few months have been among the worst in recent memory. So know that as you point out things like how bad his +/- is in the AHL or how few points he's scored. Hartford bascially stopped scoring in December.

Not to say a comparison vs Mittlestadt isn't warranted, Mittlestadt certainly has the early edge, but remember they're different types of players and expectations should be in line accordingly.



Doesn't say much for our prospects, if they stopped scoring in December. Sean Day is our highest rated prospect 7.5, according to OTG.
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Posted 2019-02-13 12:12 PM (#720134 - in reply to #720132)
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concust - 2019-02-12 11:09 AM

It's early still, and keep in mind that Andersson is playing for a pretty sh!tty Hartford team - they've not been good the last few years and the last few months have been among the worst in recent memory. So know that as you point out things like how bad his +/- is in the AHL or how few points he's scored. Hartford bascially stopped scoring in December.

Not to say a comparison vs Mittlestadt isn't warranted, Mittlestadt certainly has the early edge, but remember they're different types of players and expectations should be in line accordingly.



Doesn't say much for our prospects, if they stopped scoring in December. Sean Day is our highest rated prospect 7.5, according to OTG.


Listen, I love the Wolfpack but right now the AHL is not where the Rangers have their top talent. Andersson is the only forward down there who can reasonably project to more than a third or fourth liner at the NHL level, and there's maybe 2, 2 and a half, prospects right now that project to be more than depth defensemen.

Rangers have much more talent in Europe, plus they have young talent that was recently promoted to the NHL so Hartford isn't exactly going to be a powerhouse.
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Posted 2019-02-13 4:57 PM (#720142 - in reply to #713253)
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Lias is a good player. He's very close to sticking in the NHL for good.... probably after the deadline there will be more room on the roster for him and others... Lindgren....

What we see isn't a fully developed player yet. Chytil, same thing. Hell, even Buchnevich and Vesey have room and time to grow still.

Some players take longer to cook. It would be nice/lucky to draft someone who is not only NHL ready at the age of 18, but an impact player.... but that doesn't happen often.

These guys are still filling out into their bodies, and maturing, let alone figuring out the timing, speed, systems of the NHL.... playing with the highest talent and against the best the world has to offer.... **** takes time unless you're a freak elite level wizard of a hockey player

Which we just don't have.

Chytil and Middtlestat have the same amount of points... Filip has more goals... neither are tearing the league up... 19 pts in 55 gp...

These players need to develope. Andersson will be a giod Ranger, I have faith in that.

Howden isn't done cooking yet either, btw....

This is year 1 of the rebuild.... try to have patience
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Posted 2019-02-13 5:16 PM (#720143 - in reply to #713253)
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Middelcrap hasn't done dick yet. Andersson has a right to be pissed. Quinn fukkkkkked him over big time. Chytil and Howden went through long stretches doing nothing and he never quit giving them chances. Andersson he spit on. Went back to the pre-season when Andersson took the rest of the pre-season off after his first game. Ehhhh. Who knows. I'm confident he will figure it out around 22. However, I wouldn't rule him being dealt in the right deal either.
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Posted 2019-02-13 5:29 PM (#720144 - in reply to #713253)
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Something may be up with Lias...maybe he pissed somebody off...Boo came up then Lettieri came up.....To me that is a GFY to Lias
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Posted 2019-02-14 6:32 AM (#720145 - in reply to #720143)
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itsmcilrathtime - 2019-02-13 5:16 PM

Middelcrap hasn't done dick yet. Andersson has a right to be pissed. Quinn fukkkkkked him over big time. Chytil and Howden went through long stretches doing nothing and he never quit giving them chances. Andersson he spit on. Went back to the pre-season when Andersson took the rest of the pre-season off after his first game. Ehhhh. Who knows. I'm confident he will figure it out around 22. However, I wouldn't rule him being dealt in the right deal either.


Chytil and Howden got pushed down to the fourth line just like Andersson. They responded and played hard. Andersson played like a lump the entire time and got sent down. He deserved it. He did nothing to show he belonged on an NHL roster.
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Posted 2019-02-14 6:51 AM (#720146 - in reply to #713253)
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I disagree. I like what I've seen from Andersson. He's taken a few penalties. and made some mistakes, but to say he's done nothing is just not true. He's had some good chances. He's made some good plays on both sides of the puck.

He's not there yet, but with just a little improvement and consistency to his game and he'll be a really effective player. There's absolutely no reason to rush him, or put too much pressure on him. This season was a throw away from the get go
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Posted 2019-02-14 7:13 AM (#720147 - in reply to #720146)
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Maybe he needs to grow up some? does he have a difficult time when he doesnt get what he wants?
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Posted 2019-02-14 7:30 AM (#720148 - in reply to #713253)
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Anderssons last callup and play was unacceptable. He made mental mistakes all over the ice, which for a character player can't happen. Mistakes coach's discuss every day. . Very few flashes of anything good. His excuse makers on here will be saying the same things when his ELC runs out if he is still here.. He's not here because he can't beat out Nieves and Lettieri and his underwhelming play leaves Quinn more comfortable playing 7 dmen. The Rangers already blew a year off his ELC contract so no business reason for him not to be on the Rangers roster, just the hockey minds on the Rangers staff don't want him. Hockey minds with a little more moxie than a dope like itsmcilrathstime who suggests the coach doesn't like him ect ect which is laughable.

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Posted 2019-02-14 9:41 AM (#720149 - in reply to #713253)
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Andersson was not good when he was here last. Neither has Lettieri been any good on the NHL roster either. Boo has been the most consistent.

Can I also throw out there that Howden has looked lost since Thanksgiving? Prior to his injury, he had 2 points in 2 months after his hot start.

It's weird, it's like young players have more trouble with the consistency needed at an NHL level.

Andersson isn't ready now. At this point let him finish out the season in Hartford and see how he looks in camp next year. He's 20, there is no reason to rush him at all.
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Posted 2019-02-14 12:20 PM (#720154 - in reply to #720149)
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concust - 2019-02-14 8:41 AM

Andersson was not good when he was here last. Neither has Lettieri been any good on the NHL roster either. Boo has been the most consistent.

Can I also throw out there that Howden has looked lost since Thanksgiving? Prior to his injury, he had 2 points in 2 months after his hot start.

It's weird, it's like young players have more trouble with the consistency needed at an NHL level.

Andersson isn't ready now. At this point let him finish out the season in Hartford and see how he looks in camp next year. He's 20, there is no reason to rush him at all.






Lettieri is a telling piece of the Andersson story. The Rangers call him up before Anderson. And I agree he's not much.
Howden is still doing a lot of the little things right. Out to lunch is a stretch. The hardest thing in this league for a young player to do is score. Many rookies cool off as the second half rolls around. But scoring in and of itself is not the defining measurement for a young player like Howden or Andersson, important but using the walk before you run theory, playing sound defense and not being a turnover machine is foremost. Howden has done a nice job of that, Andersson not even close. Even Chytil has not cost the Rangers much defensively, and its why they are in NYC. .
Midlestadt is putting up a few points and obviously holding his on with out the puck or he wouldn't be around. The glaring issue with Andersson I see is the opportunity to be the fourth center and even third on a Howden off night is right in front of him and has been all year. The perfect rookie season breakin, playing a role conducive to him establishing his so called gritty, hard to play against game, hopefully followed up by putting up some numbers after establishing himself. . And nothing buit blanks from the guy.
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Posted 2019-02-14 5:34 PM (#720156 - in reply to #713253)
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Andersson isn't up now for the same reason he wasn't up at the start of the season.

They'd rather have him playing a bigger role in Hartford, then play on the 4th line.

Buchnevich, Vesey, and Chytil are already in the mix of players that bounce between top 6, and then back down to the 4th line as part of their development process.... sometimes sit out to watch from the stands, only to be given 20 minutes the next time they're in the lineup.

Doing that same thing with Andersson would be impossible. He'd almost always have to be buried on the 4th line...

Brickley.... Lettieri... Boo.... they're guys management isn't worried about calling up and playing 7 minutes in a 4th line role. It doesn't mean they're better players, or just means they're better suited for that role.

The Rangers will make space at the deadline. Andersson wasn't drafted to get buried on the 4th line.

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Posted 2019-02-15 8:28 AM (#720158 - in reply to #713253)
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More excuses Rob, Anderson would be a lot better off being on a NHL fourth line the coach was comfortable giving 10 minutes a night. He's in Hartford because he can't play up to that level to break into the league. You can make up 20 minute TOI games for Buchnevich, Vesey and Chytil all you want. And interesting to note those three don't exactly set a high bar for Andersson to exceed and replace, do they?? There is no reason Andersson can't bump anyone of those three to the fourth line and replace them on a top three line, except the obvious. Andersson can't play in the NHL yet, period.
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More excuses Rob, Anderson would be a lot better off being on a NHL fourth line the coach was comfortable giving 10 minutes a night. He's in Hartford because he can't play up to that level to break into the league. You can make up 20 minute TOI games for Buchnevich, Vesey and Chytil all you want. And interesting to note those three don't exactly set a high bar for Andersson to exceed and replace, do they?? There is no reason Andersson can't bump anyone of those three to the fourth line and replace them on a top three line, except the obvious. Andersson can't play in the NHL yet, period.


The Vesey bar is much higher than Buch and Chytil. Vesey is much better at both ends of the ice this year. Buch has been uneven at best and Chytil is getting a first round pass due to the occasional superstar highlight. Hartford must be a mess otherwise Chytil would be down there getting 25 minutes a night instead of 14 with the Rangers.

Andersson cannot even replace Strome/Names/Howden/Boo. Boo might never exceed the 4th line, but he seems to be getting a few chances per night despite his under 10 minutes of ice time per night.

The Rangers trying to justify taking Andersson because he was ready has turned into a huge problem because he is clearly not ready. That makes both the Rangers, by extension, Andersson look foolish. He may turn out to be a good choice, but expecting him to make an impact was absurd. The question is - Did the Rangers actually think Andersson could make an impact or did the Rangers just blow smoke up out collective assses?
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More excuses Rob, Anderson would be a lot better off being on a NHL fourth line the coach was comfortable giving 10 minutes a night. He's in Hartford because he can't play up to that level to break into the league. You can make up 20 minute TOI games for Buchnevich, Vesey and Chytil all you want. And interesting to note those three don't exactly set a high bar for Andersson to exceed and replace, do they?? There is no reason Andersson can't bump anyone of those three to the fourth line and replace them on a top three line, except the obvious. Andersson can't play in the NHL yet, period.


The Vesey bar is much higher than Buch and Chytil. Vesey is much better at both ends of the ice this year. Buch has been uneven at best and Chytil is getting a first round pass due to the occasional superstar highlight. Hartford must be a mess otherwise Chytil would be down there getting 25 minutes a night instead of 14 with the Rangers.

Andersson cannot even replace Strome/Names/Howden/Boo. Boo might never exceed the 4th line, but he seems to be getting a few chances per night despite his under 10 minutes of ice time per night.

The Rangers trying to justify taking Andersson because he was ready has turned into a huge problem because he is clearly not ready. That makes both the Rangers, by extension, Andersson look foolish. He may turn out to be a good choice, but expecting him to make an impact was absurd. The question is - Did the Rangers actually think Andersson could make an impact or did the Rangers just blow smoke up out collective assses?




You make a good point there are many Ranger players that Andersson can not take their spot, not just the three mentioned. And yes because he's ready was the message after drafting and right after he fizzled at his first camp, and then the message changed. I wish the kid nothing but success, but his meager progress is concerning.
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Andersson with another -3 game last night. Tied for worst on Hartford with Hajek at -23, though Lias did it in just 35 games.
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Posted 2019-02-17 5:56 PM (#720414 - in reply to #713253)
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Forget Lias playing well in the NHL, he can't even play well in the AHL.....

You would think with all these BIG TIME situations and minutes he's getting he would have a few more points?
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Steady Eddie - 2019-02-16 10:43 PM

Andersson with another -3 game last night. Tied for worst on Hartford with Hajek at -23, though Lias did it in just 35 games.



I said it would take him 3-4 games to take the lead, I was wrong it took 1

Lias=Bum
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Posted 2019-02-17 6:21 PM (#720416 - in reply to #720415)
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Rangerjunkie - 2019-02-17 7:57 PM

Steady Eddie - 2019-02-16 10:43 PM

Andersson with another -3 game last night. Tied for worst on Hartford with Hajek at -23, though Lias did it in just 35 games.



I said it would take him 3-4 games to take the lead, I was wrong it took 1

Lias=Bum

Sure is looking that way
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If I'm the Rangers I'm a bit reluctant to move Anderson unless I'm convinced there is not a coaching issue in Hartford, and the preponderance of evidence suggests there is a coaching issue down there.
Although Pujujarvi is a talented kid and rumoured available.


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Rranger - 2019-02-18 8:17 AM

If I'm the Rangers I'm a bit reluctant to move Anderson unless I'm convinced there is not a coaching issue in Hartford, and the preponderance of evidence suggests there is a coaching issue down there.
Although Pujujarvi is a talented kid and rumoured available.


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IMO Hartford has had a number of issues in both the front office and behind the bench, and quite possibly in the dressing room too. They either don't have the right people there, or they've been neglecting it because their top prospects are not there. The ideal model for the AHL has always been to have a veteran player core who is playing a system close to the NHL system, and can thereby help prospects acclimate to pro hockey/NA hockey, for the big club. This is why guys like Kenny G were so valuable to the franchise. They don't have that anymore. They've traded their last 4 captains mid-season, in 4 years. There's no leadership there anymore, it looks like it's just sink or swim, every man for himself.
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Posted 2019-02-20 7:30 AM (#720593 - in reply to #713253)
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I don't believe they have a Captain either...but they have a former enforcer as the Asst Coach....total disaster
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I don't believe they have a Captain either...but they have a former enforcer as the Asst Coach....total disaster


Cole Schneider was their captain before he was traded to Nashville. (Jan 2019)
Joe Whitney was their captain before he was traded to Washington (Feb 2018)
Matt Bodie was their captain before he was traded to Buffalo (Feb 2017)
Ryan Bourque was their captain before he was traded to Washington (Feb 2016)

They currently don't have a captain AFAIK, but next guy that gets it better watch out...
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Posted 2019-02-20 11:57 AM (#720607 - in reply to #713253)
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Posted 2019-02-20 3:52 PM (#720615 - in reply to #713253)
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Well even in the Ken Gernander captain years the Rangers were not known for cranking prospects out of Hartford. It's been more a place where prospects go to die. I get the long time mentor captain thing but it's not necessary and can hold a young guy back who could be filling the same on ice role probably without a letter, but leading on the ice. Mentors can be as much the problem as the solution. And in fairness to Gernander I don't remember a lot of Hartford player development success or team success when he was playing or coaching. Personally I think Hartford over the years has been one of the worst ran and has one of the worst player development records in hockey.
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Posted 2019-02-21 7:30 AM (#720636 - in reply to #713253)
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Well there was the opposite problem in the Gernander days - the organization didn't have quality prospects to bring along. Aside from developing some of the blue collar blueshirts (Callahan, Dubinsky, Girardi, etc) Hartford has not been a very good development team for the Rangers.

This is not a unique problem, I'd say most AHL teams are like this, with only a few exceptions. The way NHL prospects are developed, especially these days, entails a bigger jump from juniors/europe/NCAA to the pros. Most of the better players skip the AHL altogether, or they go for a year of bulking up and conditioning or getting acclimated to North America, (Chytil as an example) the other top prospects in the organization largely play in Europe, KHL, juniors, or NCAA. The AHL has more value as a development league for bottom-6 guys and depth defensemen. On the roster now, they have maybe 2-3 guys that have NHL potential above this level.

I'm not entirely surprised at this point that Hartford is at a down point, my concern is more that they have been down for a couple of years now, with all the resources of MSG behind it, and they seem unwilling to take any steps to fix the problem.
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Posted 2019-02-21 11:22 AM (#720656 - in reply to #720636)
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Well there was the opposite problem in the Gernander days - the organization didn't have quality prospects to bring along. Aside from developing some of the blue collar blueshirts (Callahan, Dubinsky, Girardi, etc) Hartford has not been a very good development team for the Rangers.

This is not a unique problem, I'd say most AHL teams are like this, with only a few exceptions. The way NHL prospects are developed, especially these days, entails a bigger jump from juniors/europe/NCAA to the pros. Most of the better players skip the AHL altogether, or they go for a year of bulking up and conditioning or getting acclimated to North America, (Chytil as an example) the other top prospects in the organization largely play in Europe, KHL, juniors, or NCAA. The AHL has more value as a development league for bottom-6 guys and depth defensemen. On the roster now, they have maybe 2-3 guys that have NHL potential above this level.

I'm not entirely surprised at this point that Hartford is at a down point, my concern is more that they have been down for a couple of years now, with all the resources of MSG behind it, and they seem unwilling to take any steps to fix the problem.



You are talking top ten kind of picks. Most prospects spend some time in the AHL. The Rangers have not fast tracked many YOUNG players direct to the NHL. Howden most recent, but who was the last guy to skip Hartford? Not many at all. The Rangers always seem to try, then relenting, and sending the player back to Hartford where they play and then come back the next year marginally better, and more so just indoctrinated into pro hockey, like Chytil. But this isn't just about the ones that are givens to be NHL players its also about guys like Brandon Crawley who showed a lot in camp and where will he end up. Is he improving by any other method than exposure or is he actually getting the advices of a savvy been there coach (aka Beukeboom) or just the basic rah rah. Those are the guys I worry about, guys who show some potential and then just fall off the map. And you can add a seemingly treading water developing Lias Andersson to the will he or won't he develop in Hartford list. There is justification for obvious issues with his development. Booming on ice goals against numbers are not considered good development in most circles.
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So the likelihood is that someone did tell the coach something different. Rangers have recalled Lias Andersson from Wolf Pack.
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So the likelihood is that someone did tell the coach something different. Rangers have recalled Lias Andersson from Wolf Pack.





Can't make this up. Holland gets moved, opening up number 1 go to guy status for Andersson in Hartford and the Rangers call him up. I guess they want Steve soon to be a UFA" Fogarty to pick up that valuable experience. Ranger development at its best. Unless hes a goner. Or its Boo or Brickley to Hartford to open up a spot.
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So the likelihood is that someone did tell the coach something different. Rangers have recalled Lias Andersson from Wolf Pack.





Can't make this up. Holland gets moved, opening up number 1 go to guy status for Andersson in Hartford and the Rangers call him up. I guess they want Steve soon to be a UFA" Fogarty to pick up that valuable experience. Ranger development at its best. Unless hes a goner. Or its Boo or Brickley to Hartford to open up a spot..

Yep...the plot thickens
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Posted 2019-02-21 11:53 AM (#720660 - in reply to #720656)
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concust - 2019-02-21 6:30 AM

Well there was the opposite problem in the Gernander days - the organization didn't have quality prospects to bring along. Aside from developing some of the blue collar blueshirts (Callahan, Dubinsky, Girardi, etc) Hartford has not been a very good development team for the Rangers.

This is not a unique problem, I'd say most AHL teams are like this, with only a few exceptions. The way NHL prospects are developed, especially these days, entails a bigger jump from juniors/europe/NCAA to the pros. Most of the better players skip the AHL altogether, or they go for a year of bulking up and conditioning or getting acclimated to North America, (Chytil as an example) the other top prospects in the organization largely play in Europe, KHL, juniors, or NCAA. The AHL has more value as a development league for bottom-6 guys and depth defensemen. On the roster now, they have maybe 2-3 guys that have NHL potential above this level.

I'm not entirely surprised at this point that Hartford is at a down point, my concern is more that they have been down for a couple of years now, with all the resources of MSG behind it, and they seem unwilling to take any steps to fix the problem.



You are talking top ten kind of picks. Most prospects spend some time in the AHL. The Rangers have not fast tracked many YOUNG players direct to the NHL. Howden most recent, but who was the last guy to skip Hartford? Not many at all. The Rangers always seem to try, then relenting, and sending the player back to Hartford where they play and then come back the next year marginally better, and more so just indoctrinated into pro hockey, like Chytil. But this isn't just about the ones that are givens to be NHL players its also about guys like Brandon Crawley who showed a lot in camp and where will he end up. Is he improving by any other method than exposure or is he actually getting the advices of a savvy been there coach (aka Beukeboom) or just the basic rah rah. Those are the guys I worry about, guys who show some potential and then just fall off the map. And you can add a seemingly treading water developing Lias Andersson to the will he or won't he develop in Hartford list. There is justification for obvious issues with his development. Booming on ice goals against numbers are not considered good development in most circles.


Right, I'm saying this is typically the norm. The top tier prospects in the leauge, tend not to play in the AHL unless there are extenuating circumstances. The Rangers are not much different in this regard. If you look around the league most teams do not send their best prospects to the AHL which is a league better suited for developing B prospects who need more time to develop. I agree with your point about development though using Crawley as an example, I'd also throw Lettieri into that mix, and if you go back a year or two there are plenty of guys who fit the same bill - they were seemingly on the bubble of an NHL job, but then they stagnate in Hartford for a few years, maybe get a callup or two, and then fall off the map. My original point was that there does not seem to be a good enough structure for either coaching or development in Hartford. It's also possible that guys like this are just "AHL guys" (they have to come from somewhere right) but with all the resources of MSG, Hartford should be better overall at being a true development league.
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Posted 2019-02-21 12:53 PM (#720662 - in reply to #720658)
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So the likelihood is that someone did tell the coach something different. Rangers have recalled Lias Andersson from Wolf Pack.





Can't make this up. Holland gets moved, opening up number 1 go to guy status for Andersson in Hartford and the Rangers call him up. I guess they want Steve soon to be a UFA" Fogarty to pick up that valuable experience. Ranger development at its best. Unless hes a goner. Or its Boo or Brickley to Hartford to open up a spot.
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Maybe they're looking to add him to some kind of package deal, and the team that's considering taking him doesn't like what he's done in Hartford and wants to see how he plays with the big club?

HEY!!!! I can hope!
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Posted 2019-02-21 1:21 PM (#720667 - in reply to #720662)
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So the likelihood is that someone did tell the coach something different. Rangers have recalled Lias Andersson from Wolf Pack.





Can't make this up. Holland gets moved, opening up number 1 go to guy status for Andersson in Hartford and the Rangers call him up. I guess they want Steve soon to be a UFA" Fogarty to pick up that valuable experience. Ranger development at its best. Unless hes a goner. Or its Boo or Brickley to Hartford to open up a spot.
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Maybe they're looking to add him to some kind of package deal, and the team that's considering taking him doesn't like what he's done in Hartford and wants to see how he plays with the big club?

HEY!!!! I can hope!




Its easy to jump on this as I've done but important to wait and see how his plays out. Any number of things possible. 1), including Andersson and Pujujarvi trading places 2), Robs dream come true Andersson sticks with Rangers , , 3) he's just here so potential trade pieces don't play and get hurt. Soon to be returned to hartford as the new go to guy.
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Posted 2019-02-21 1:48 PM (#720669 - in reply to #720667)
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Its easy to jump on this as I've done but important to wait and see how his plays out. Any number of things possible. 1), including Andersson and Pujujarvi trading places 2), Robs dream come true Andersson sticks with Rangers , , 3) he's just here so potential trade pieces don't play and get hurt. Soon to be returned to hartford as the new go to guy.


Most likely 3, pending how many roster players get traded.
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Posted 2019-02-21 1:53 PM (#720670 - in reply to #713253)
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If we trade all 3 of Kreider Zuc and Hayes we will lose every game the rest of the season
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If we trade all 3 of Kreider Zuc and Hayes we will lose every game the rest of the season




And many next year.

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Posted 2019-02-21 2:05 PM (#720672 - in reply to #720671)
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Mikey Red - 2019-02-21 12:53 PM

If we trade all 3 of Kreider Zuc and Hayes we will lose every game the rest of the season




And many next year.


Yep after the lotto balls not televised land us in 4th
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Posted 2019-02-21 2:07 PM (#720673 - in reply to #713253)
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Posted 2019-02-21 2:08 PM (#720674 - in reply to #713253)
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The Gianone Dave Maloney pod cast is good too...not companyish at all
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Posted 2019-02-21 2:14 PM (#720675 - in reply to #713253)
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Exciting times but so critical.
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Posted 2019-02-21 2:17 PM (#720676 - in reply to #713253)
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Posted 2019-02-22 8:24 AM (#720828 - in reply to #713253)
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Andersson hasn't been burning it up in Hartford. Odd timing for the call up, sort of expected it after the trading deadline, but before and then sit Nieves makes no sense unless Boo is moving on in a deal for another coveted 7th rounder. Also fair to say he hasn't been putting his best foot forward in Hartford recently. Oh well another management weird one.

""The 20-year-old Andersson had recorded six goals and 14 assists in 36 games with the Wolf Pack this season, but only two goals and six assists have come in the 22 games he played since he was last with the Rangers in December.""


Along with a leap in Goals against while he was on the ice. I never liked the pick but get your **** together kid. it doesn't get handed to you.
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