Rangers end up with #2 & #20 overall
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Posted 2019-03-13 6:50 PM (#722584)
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12 games left in the season... the final dirty dozen....

Rangers are currently tied in points with Chicago, Buffalo, and Edmonton at 69 pts


Keep the tank going! Hawks are taking it to Toronto, and Edmonton plays the suck@ss Devils tonight.... Buffalo plays Pitt tomorrow

Rangers play Vancouver tonight who is currently the next team in the league with 65 pts.... So tonight is a 4 pt night

The lotto is April 9th

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Posted 2019-03-14 8:21 AM (#722682 - in reply to #722584)
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Don’t think we can get any lower than 6th.
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Posted 2019-03-14 8:38 AM (#722683 - in reply to #722584)
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Posted 2019-03-14 12:33 PM (#722696 - in reply to #722584)
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I just did the tankathon lottery and the Oil won it
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Posted 2019-03-14 2:33 PM (#722697 - in reply to #722584)
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I just did the lottery sim and the Kings won. BUT the RANGERS had the #2.

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Posted 2019-03-14 2:37 PM (#722698 - in reply to #722584)
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Woo I would take that
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Posted 2019-03-14 2:50 PM (#722699 - in reply to #722584)
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Theres a lot of tankathon games tonight
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Posted 2019-03-14 4:09 PM (#722700 - in reply to #722584)
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i did the lottery simulation a bunch of times. it was roughly half the time that we moved up (from 7th place currently) somehow, and half the time we moved down (due to a lower team leapfrogging us)
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Posted 2019-03-14 4:17 PM (#722701 - in reply to #722700)
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i did the lottery simulation a bunch of times. it was roughly half the time that we moved up (from 7th place currently) somehow, and half the time we moved down (due to a lower team leapfrogging us)
Lets hope Gary says its time to help the biggest market....No one wants to see Nashville vs TB...except us of course in the SCF
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Posted 2019-03-14 4:21 PM (#722702 - in reply to #722584)
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I just did it 10 times....here is what I got:
8 8 8 9 8 1 8 8 9 9
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Posted 2019-03-14 5:26 PM (#722703 - in reply to #722584)
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8, 1, 2, 7, 7, 8, 7, 9, 8, 8

I'm addicted to this thing though haha. I do it pretty much every day. It has us get a top 3 pick often enough to get excited about it, but yeah we're likely looking at the 6-9 selections
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Posted 2019-03-14 7:03 PM (#722704 - in reply to #722703)
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It wouldn't be the end of the world if the Rangers grabbed Kirby Dach at 6 or 7.
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Posted 2019-03-14 8:47 PM (#722705 - in reply to #722704)
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PV29 - 2019-03-14 9:03 PM

It wouldn't be the end of the world if the Rangers grabbed Kirby Dach at 6 or 7.


Or Nolan Foote at 27 - LW 6'3" 190 and Samuel Poulin at 28 - RW 6'1" 206
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Posted 2019-03-15 7:20 AM (#722706 - in reply to #722704)
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PV29 - 2019-03-14 8:03 PM

It wouldn't be the end of the world if the Rangers grabbed Kirby Dach at 6 or 7.


To be honest I think there's a drop off after 2, and the next 5-6 players could all considered equivalent, so I don't consider it a huge loss if we pick 7th instead of say, 4th. Obviously higher is better because you can have your preference, but just saying the players in that class are roughly equivalent from a potential standpoint.
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Posted 2019-03-15 7:58 AM (#722709 - in reply to #722584)
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Posted 2019-03-15 8:04 AM (#722710 - in reply to #722584)
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Buffalo has their tank rolling...Florida with a huge tank win last night...AZ prob pulled away from us for good
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Posted 2019-03-15 9:44 AM (#722713 - in reply to #722584)
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There is some morse code out there that says Connor MacDavid is not a happy camper
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Posted 2019-03-15 9:48 AM (#722714 - in reply to #722584)
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Just took my daily 10 spins

8, 7, 2, 8, 7, 8, 8, 3, 7, 7
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Posted 2019-03-15 2:42 PM (#722728 - in reply to #722714)
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Mikey Red - 2019-03-15 11:48 AM

Just took my daily 10 spins

8, 7, 2, 8, 7, 8, 8, 3, 7, 7


just tried this for the first time (and then 9 more times.

I got 3, 9, 7, 7, 7, 1, 3, 8, 2, 7 avg 5.4 or 5th pick
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Posted 2019-03-15 3:00 PM (#722729 - in reply to #722584)
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I LOVE THE TANKATHON!
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Posted 2019-03-15 3:22 PM (#722731 - in reply to #722728)
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Mikey Red - 2019-03-15 11:48 AM

Just took my daily 10 spins

8, 7, 2, 8, 7, 8, 8, 3, 7, 7


just tried this for the first time (and then 9 more times.

I got 3, 9, 7, 7, 7, 1, 3, 8, 2, 7 avg 5.4 or 5th pick
out of my 20 spins I got 10 8's
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Posted 2019-03-15 3:22 PM (#722732 - in reply to #722729)
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I LOVE THE TANKATHON!

woooooo! tank a thon!
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Posted 2019-03-15 3:24 PM (#722733 - in reply to #722728)
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Mikey Red - 2019-03-15 11:48 AM

Just took my daily 10 spins

8, 7, 2, 8, 7, 8, 8, 3, 7, 7


just tried this for the first time (and then 9 more times.

I got 3, 9, 7, 7, 7, 1, 3, 8, 2, 7 avg 5.4 or 5th pick

Bosco won the Non Pub title grrrr.
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Posted 2019-03-15 9:37 PM (#722770 - in reply to #722584)
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If Rangers pick somewhere 6-9th, and Zegras is available.... BU recruit Trevor Zegras... NY native Trevor Zegras..... I'll be shocked
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Posted 2019-03-16 2:40 AM (#722771 - in reply to #722584)
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2,2,8,8,2,8,1,8,8,8

Average of 5.5

Obviously either 8th or really high up.
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Posted 2019-03-16 3:03 PM (#722779 - in reply to #722584)
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Posted 2019-03-17 6:52 AM (#722847 - in reply to #722584)
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The Ducks and Canucks are now just 1 and 2 pts behind with 67 and 68 pts respectively.... Anaheim has played one more than us, Vancouver, one less gp....

As has Buffalo who is tied in pts with us still at 69.

If everything trends in our favor, we finish 5th worst just ahead of NJ
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Posted 2019-03-17 8:01 AM (#722848 - in reply to #722847)
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robstones - 2019-03-17 8:52 AM

The Ducks and Canucks are now just 1 and 2 pts behind with 67 and 68 pts respectively.... Anaheim has played one more than us, Vancouver, one less gp....

As has Buffalo who is tied in pts with us still at 69.

If everything trends in our favor, we finish 5th worst just ahead of NJ
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Posted 2019-03-17 3:51 PM (#722849 - in reply to #722584)
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Big tank win for the Avs!
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Posted 2019-03-17 5:18 PM (#722850 - in reply to #722849)
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Big tank win for the Avs!


Those @ssholes are going to win a top 3 pick with their own on top of the ottawa pick.... whereever that lies
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Posted 2019-03-17 5:21 PM (#722851 - in reply to #722584)
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hahaha maybe...If I am JG...I am def calling Skinner July 1
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Posted 2019-03-17 5:23 PM (#722852 - in reply to #722584)
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Buffalo needs to get it to OT here
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Posted 2019-03-17 5:25 PM (#722853 - in reply to #722584)
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Sabres get a point
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Posted 2019-03-17 5:35 PM (#722854 - in reply to #722584)
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Posted 2019-03-17 5:39 PM (#722855 - in reply to #722584)
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Sabres win woo! Eichel can really rip it
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Posted 2019-03-17 7:13 PM (#722857 - in reply to #722584)
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Posted 2019-03-17 7:42 PM (#722858 - in reply to #722857)
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Nolan Patrick can rip it too....Vancouver has made it to OT
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Posted 2019-03-17 7:57 PM (#722859 - in reply to #722584)
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Posted 2019-03-18 5:25 AM (#722864 - in reply to #722584)
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Edmonton lost. Buffalo, Vancouver and Anaheim win. We’re in 6th.
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Posted 2019-03-18 6:48 AM (#722865 - in reply to #722864)
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Wooo Def a productive night for the tank....I didn't see Van or Buffalo getting 2 pts
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Posted 2019-03-18 7:28 AM (#722866 - in reply to #722584)
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Arizona has a tall order tonight but they are probably far enough ahead of us....Van vs Chi...we get help no matter who wins!
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Posted 2019-03-18 11:31 AM (#722868 - in reply to #722866)
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Mikey Red - 2019-03-18 9:28 AM

Arizona has a tall order tonight but they are probably far enough ahead of us....Van vs Chi...we get help no matter who wins!


A 3 point game will be nice.

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Posted 2019-03-18 11:42 AM (#722869 - in reply to #722868)
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Mikey Red - 2019-03-18 9:28 AM

Arizona has a tall order tonight but they are probably far enough ahead of us....Van vs Chi...we get help no matter who wins!


A 3 point game will be nice.


Yep Van in OT would be great!
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Posted 2019-03-18 11:48 AM (#722870 - in reply to #722584)
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Posted 2019-03-18 6:15 PM (#722874 - in reply to #722584)
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Rangers sitting 26th tied with the Ducks who have played 2 more games and same points... so really tied for 27th... but hard to have NJD catch up. New Jersey has played one more game and has to get 6 more points to tie the Rangers.. so Devils need to win 4 and Rangers lose 5 which is not impossible.. but tough.... So I am thinking 27th is the best the Rangers can hope for and with some luck .. who knows. The Rangers currently have a 7.5% Chance at 26th and should they drop to 27th that grows to 8.5% Colorado (via Ottawa's pick) has a 18.5% Chance to retain the 1st overall pick
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Posted 2019-03-18 9:13 PM (#722876 - in reply to #722869)
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Mikey Red - 2019-03-18 9:28 AM

Arizona has a tall order tonight but they are probably far enough ahead of us....Van vs Chi...we get help no matter who wins!


A 3 point game will be nice.


Yep Van in OT would be great!


Wish: granted
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Posted 2019-03-19 6:37 AM (#722877 - in reply to #722876)
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Mikey Red - 2019-03-18 9:28 AM

Arizona has a tall order tonight but they are probably far enough ahead of us....Van vs Chi...we get help no matter who wins!


A 3 point game will be nice.


Yep Van in OT would be great!


Wish: granted
Tank a thon!
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Posted 2019-03-19 1:15 PM (#722882 - in reply to #722584)
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I just took 10 spins of the wheel

1,7,6,6,7,2,7,7,7,6
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Posted 2019-03-20 7:24 AM (#722996 - in reply to #722882)
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Mikey Red - 2019-03-19 2:15 PM

I just took 10 spins of the wheel

1,7,6,6,7,2,7,7,7,6


Should have stopped after 1!

The way the standings look currently, and just glancing at all the remaining schedules, it's going to be difficult to actually pass anyone in the (upside down) standings at this point. So I think we're looking at a 5 pick unless the lottery gods are good to us. Or if they aren't, we might fall a spot.

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Posted 2019-03-20 7:42 AM (#722997 - in reply to #722996)
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Mikey Red - 2019-03-19 2:15 PM

I just took 10 spins of the wheel

1,7,6,6,7,2,7,7,7,6


Should have stopped after 1!

The way the standings look currently, and just glancing at all the remaining schedules, it's going to be difficult to actually pass anyone in the (upside down) standings at this point. So I think we're looking at a 5 pick unless the lottery gods are good to us. Or if they aren't, we might fall a spot.


Yep...I am shooting for 5th place
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Posted 2019-03-20 12:54 PM (#723002 - in reply to #722584)
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Posted 2019-03-20 12:57 PM (#723003 - in reply to #722584)
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I would like to see Buffalo Van and Anaheim win tonight
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Posted 2019-03-20 1:05 PM (#723004 - in reply to #722584)
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This is where all those loser points really hurt us. We have 13 of them - which leads the league. If that was more along the lines of average for the league we'd be in 3rd or 4th place. Luckily we have the fewest ROW so if/when it comes down to a tiebreak we at least have that.
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Posted 2019-03-20 1:08 PM (#723005 - in reply to #722584)
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Posted 2019-03-20 5:32 PM (#723006 - in reply to #722584)
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Kakko
Hughes
Podkolzin
Cozens
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Dach
Zegras
Soderstrom

Are my top picks in order within our window... I'd be happy to get any of those players.

Yes, I have Kakko above Hughes...

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Posted 2019-03-20 6:19 PM (#723007 - in reply to #722584)
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Posted 2019-03-21 7:41 AM (#723010 - in reply to #722584)
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Posted 2019-03-21 9:23 AM (#723011 - in reply to #722584)
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Tonight we need the Oil and Hawks to win...It would be a bonus if Florida won...and lets go Habs...keep the Isles from winning the Metro
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http://www.tankathon.com/nhl/mock_draft

Just going to bump the link to this page of the feed.

10 spins of the day

6,6,7,7,3,6,7,1,7,2

To me that means we have a 30% chance of getting a top 3 pick

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Posted 2019-03-21 7:41 PM (#723013 - in reply to #722584)
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Just did mine for the night. Got the 2nd pick on the first try, had us taking Kaapo Kakko. I STOPPED!!!!
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So first shot. Now let's see if I can do this from my phone. Probably will fail.

Yes the file is too big from my phone. Got the #1 pick on my first try. We know that isn't going to happen

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Posted 2019-03-22 5:45 AM (#723015 - in reply to #723014)
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Huge win for the Oil last night....if they lose all 8 of their remaining games...then we have to go 2-6-1 to pass them
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Need Anaheim to get just one more point than us and we will finish 5th
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Posted 2019-03-22 8:07 AM (#723017 - in reply to #722584)
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Games in hand at this point are the only concern... but aside from NJD once and OTT once, we play all playoff teams and teams battling for a spot (Philly will come at us hard even though they won't make it). So the table is set for us to finish with under 75 pts.
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Posted 2019-03-22 8:19 AM (#723018 - in reply to #722584)
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Anaheim has 2 LA games left....we have the Sens and NJ
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Posted 2019-03-22 8:21 AM (#723019 - in reply to #722584)
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When CBJ misses the playoffs...does Torts Jarko and JD get the gate?
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Posted 2019-03-22 8:27 AM (#723020 - in reply to #722584)
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San Jose has lost 4 in a row...maybe the Ducks can get one tonight...It's the only tank game on the slate
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Mikey Red - 2019-03-22 9:21 AM

When CBJ misses the playoffs...does Torts Jarko and JD get the gate?


They did not put themselves in a good position, that's for sure. I would say they not only have to make the playoffs but based on what they did at the deadline, they need to win a round in order to justify basically mortgaging their future.
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Posted 2019-03-22 8:34 AM (#723022 - in reply to #722584)
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Posted 2019-03-22 9:53 AM (#723023 - in reply to #722584)
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Maybe they'll give Sather a call
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Bob Nicholson in Edmonton will be on the unemployment line after the season. The Oil will hire a new President, General Manager and possibly a coacb. And don't be to surprised if it's Ken Hitchcock as El Presidente.

MacDavid hourglass has begun
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Ducks win!!!!! Huge....We now have to win 2 more games than them the rest of the way to pass them
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Edmonton loses to Ottawa. What a train wreck. And with McDavid, Draisaitil and Nugent-Hopkins, it takes effort to be that bad.

Yep total disaster
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I don't know how much input the Rangers have in making up the schedule, being subject to building availability and Garry's whims, but its asinine to finish up a season with 4 games in 6 nights, in case you make the playoffs.
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The simulator has us taking Peyton Krebs in every scenario that doesn't involve us winning a top 3 pick. They have us picking him at 6th, but other teams pick Dach and Zegras at 6 and 7 leaving him for us at 8th in other simulations having us finish there.... 7th same thing...
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The simulator has us taking Peyton Krebs in every scenario that doesn't involve us winning a top 3 pick. They have us picking him at 6th, but other teams pick Dach and Zegras at 6 and 7 leaving him for us at 8th in other simulations having us finish there.... 7th same thing...

I listened to a pod cast where they said NYR loves Zegras...don't know if its true...but 160 lbs no thanks...Take Krebs first....Canes hit a home run with Svechnikov...But my wish list I would love to land Cozens Byram Dach
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We really need to land in the top 5 of the Lotto
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The simulator has us taking Peyton Krebs in every scenario that doesn't involve us winning a top 3 pick. They have us picking him at 6th, but other teams pick Dach and Zegras at 6 and 7 leaving him for us at 8th in other simulations having us finish there.... 7th same thing...


I spun once and got Hughes. It's over. We're picking 8th.

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What a GREAT day.... Devils win. Red Wings win.. Kings win and the Rangers lose.. I was thinking 6th was the best .. long shot to win a first but the way the other teams are going the Rangers could with a LOT of help in the top 4 without lottery luck... being second would make the odds pretty sweet ....
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Was thinking of starting a new thread, but can just talk about it here.

It's clear to me that NYR are showcasing Georgiev.

They have 10 picks in the draft, but on top of them have a number of guys who could be included in a package to move up.... Georgiev being one....

Was going to make another topic, because that poses the questions.... would you trade Georgiev at the draft? Who else would you look to move too/instead/with
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Was thinking of starting a new thread, but can just talk about it here.

It's clear to me that NYR are showcasing Georgiev.

They have 10 picks in the draft, but on top of them have a number of guys who could be included in a package to move up.... Georgiev being one....

Was going to make another topic, because that poses the questions.... would you trade Georgiev at the draft? Who else would you look to move too/instead/with

ONLY if a young NHL ready player comes back.....If we trade him like we did Talbot...I will be upset
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And what if Shesty is not all that? We trade Georgie and are left with a 38 year old goalie
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And what if Shesty is not all that? We trade Georgie and are left with a 38 year old goalie


Yeah I wouldn't do that, personally, based on the relatively weak returns for goaltenders. Further, Georgiev has played very well, especially considering the situation, but he hasn't played well enough to convince other teams he can be a starter, like Talbot or Raanta. Trading him now (at the draft) is counting chickens before they hatch. Wait until Shesty signs, wait until you can get a good look at him before you trade Georgiev.

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Granted, the scouts have seen way more of Shestyorkin then we have... the doubt we have may be not as much on their end.
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Granted, the scouts have seen way more of Shestyorkin then we have... the doubt we have may be not as much on their end.


No scout can predict the future.
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Adam Fox has declined to sign with Carolina, electing to return to Harvard for his senior season. This should make him UFA next summer.

Wonder what his favorite team growing up was?

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Pretty good night...Caps gain on Isles...Ducks and Oil win....Buffalo may catch Ottawa at this point...Can Housley survive this?
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Islanders have been shut out 3 times in the past 5 games. PDO is catching up to them. They're pretenders.
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Absolutely....and then the real hammer comes July 1 for the Isles
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Dang, I knew Eberle was UFA but so are Nelson, Lee, Fil, and Lehner. They're either going to have to pony up or Barzal's going to be all alone like Tavares was.
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Yep ...and the Arena situation too


Plus no matter what happens, they'll still be the Islanders.
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Mikey Red - 2019-03-27 8:40 AM

Yep ...and the Arena situation too


Plus no matter what happens, they'll still be the Islanders.

lol and hopefully as Eddie put it...The KC Drylanders
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Adam Fox has declined to sign with Carolina, electing to return to Harvard for his senior season. This should make him UFA next summer.

Wonder what his favorite team growing up was?

https://twitter.com/wyshynski/status/1110636226472665088

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Out with one fan boy (Shatty)

In with new fan boy (Fox)

Kid has the goods, though
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concust - 2019-03-26 4:30 PM

Adam Fox has declined to sign with Carolina, electing to return to Harvard for his senior season. This should make him UFA next summer.

Wonder what his favorite team growing up was?

https://twitter.com/wyshynski/status/1110636226472665088

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Out with one fan boy (Shatty)

In with new fan boy (Fox)

Kid has the goods, though


Yeah, also much less risk involved if you sign a 22 year old kid on an ELC, versus a 30 year old defenseman to a multimillion dollar deal.
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I didn't realize just how good Fox is doing. Kid had the most points per game in the league!
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Kings play Van

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Wings play Buffalo tonight
Stars play Edmonton
Kings play Van

Routing for everyone on this side->


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Sabres losing already
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Sabres making furious comeback 4-4 Middle with his 12th
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Excellent night for the tank....It's prob a lock now that 5th place is down to us Buffalo and Anaheim....and an outside shot of Detroit and NJ catching us...They play each other tonight
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Tank games tonight besides us...Need Ducks to win and would like to see NJ beat Detroit in OT
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I didn't realize just how good Fox is doing. Kid had the most points per game in the league!

Great. So he can sign with us and be as useless as our other Harvard alumni.

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robstones - 2019-03-27 8:10 PM

I didn't realize just how good Fox is doing. Kid had the most points per game in the league!

Great. So he can sign with us and be as useless as our other Harvard alumni.


he he he....Corey Pronman says Fox is not the best skater
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robstones - 2019-03-27 8:10 PM

I didn't realize just how good Fox is doing. Kid had the most points per game in the league!

Great. So he can sign with us and be as useless as our other Harvard alumni.


he he he....Corey Pronman says Fox is not the best skater


Neither is Draisaitl or Pavelski
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“I know people think I have some plan to sign with the Rangers because of where I grew up,” the New York native said. “But my dream, my goal, is to play in the NHL. As soon as possible.”

Well the door's open now for him to sign with Carolina or force a trade to get on a roster ASAP. He has the opportunity to burn a year of his ELC which would put him a year closer to free agency so he better get on it
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concust - 2019-03-29 5:47 PM

“I know people think I have some plan to sign with the Rangers because of where I grew up,” the New York native said. “But my dream, my goal, is to play in the NHL. As soon as possible.”

Well the door's open now for him to sign with Carolina or force a trade to get on a roster ASAP. He has the opportunity to burn a year of his ELC which would put him a year closer to free agency so he better get on it


It may not have been his plan, but.... kill as many birds as you can with the stone, man
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Huge reprieve on the tank last night
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concust - 2019-03-29 5:47 PM

“I know people think I have some plan to sign with the Rangers because of where I grew up,” the New York native said. “But my dream, my goal, is to play in the NHL. As soon as possible.”

Well the door's open now for him to sign with Carolina or force a trade to get on a roster ASAP. He has the opportunity to burn a year of his ELC which would put him a year closer to free agency so he better get on it


It may not have been his plan, but.... kill as many birds as you can with the stone, man


I do wonder what it would take to acquire his rights.

From Carolina's perspective, the longer they wait the worse it is for him, and if he goes back to Harvard for his senior season, they'll lose him next summer for nothing.

From Fox's perspective, my point with the above quote was that he wants to make the NHL as soon as possible, but that would actually mean signing with the Canes and burning a year of ELC. But he hasn't done that so is that really his priority? If he goes back to Harvard, it's looking pretty good for NYR to swoop in next summer, because he passed up an opportunity to play in the NHL with the Canes so he could get to UFA.

NYR are sitting pretty here, at this point they have some leverage because they can only stand to gain. Even if Fox signs soon in CAR or waits until next summer and signs elsewhere, NYR have not given anything up. No worse for the wear. So considering the position that Carolina is in, I wonder if they'd go for it if NYR sent them a second round pick, then signed Fox for this year and burned a year of his ELC. At that point it's a win-win-win, with Carolina saving a little face versus taking the risk that they get nothing for him next summer. Carolina is pretty deep with young defensemen also so they could afford to give up a little depth there.

Pretty interesting all around, even moreso to me that there's been no developments since Harvard was eliminated.
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I believe Fox has already said he is going back for his senior season
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I believe Fox has already said he is going back for his senior season


That report was from before his team was eliminated, he may still feel that way, but obviously you're not going to say you're not coming back next year, while you're still playing in the tournament.
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Adam Fox is a RD

On the right side, Carolina has

Dougie Hamilton
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Trevor Van Riemsdyk

Where does Adam Fox fit there?.... Especially for just a handful of games. He sees the log jam, and so does Carolina. So when he says his decision to become a free agent/not sign the ELC/plan to return as a Senior... that's what he's saying.

There isn't a spot open in Carolina right now, and he doesn't want to wait around for The Canes to figure it out and cater to him.

His plan isn't to be a Ranger, it's to be a NHLer.... coincidence and fate may have it that New York will provide the best opportunity for him... The Rangers aren't quite as deep at the RD position. He could viably step in and get big boy minutes in NY

Not sure that path is there for him many other places. He's a fit here.

Coincidentally childhood dreams would also come true. He can pretend it wouldn't tip the scale in The Rangers' favor, but....
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Fox is listed at 5'11" 180 lbs...3rd round pick and there are questions about his skating....I am not going to crazy over him just yet
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Pionk is listed at 6'0" which is laughable...He's lucky if he's 5'9"
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By all accounts, Fox should develop into a top-four NHL blueliner although I got some differing views of him on Thursday.

“I guess the question marks would be about his ability to defend,’’ said one NHL scout via text message. “He can run a PP. Offensive D-men are hard to find!’’

Said a rival Eastern Conference NHL team executive: “Above average puck skills. Really smart, terrific vision. Sub six-footer with modest speed and quickness. His size/speed ratio really bothers me. Drives a lot of production on the PP but I don’t see him being a major PP guy in our league.’’

From a Western Conference team exec: “There’s no question he’s a skilled guy. He’s undersized but full of offensive skill. Not a great skater but good instincts. How will that translate to the NHL?’’

And finally, from our prospects guru Corey Pronman:

“He’s an elite puck-mover,” Pronman told me on Thursday. “Outstanding vision, patience, overall offensive IQ. Prototypical PP QB. Concerns over his size and average feet in terms of how well he defends in the NHL. I don’t think he’s a star prospect but he could be a useful second pair D.’’
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Posted 2019-04-01 1:20 PM (#723611 - in reply to #722584)
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Here is the whole article if you have the athletic

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Hearing that the Hurricanes have been informed Adam Fox isn't likely to sign with them, that a trade would be the desired route, and I'm guessing the Rangers would top the d-man's list. Carolina looking at its options...
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Obviously would be better for Fox to have the trade happen sooner than later so he can sign and burn first year of entry-level deal. On other hand, the 'Canes have to do what's right for them. Trading him soon or waiting until summer?
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And I suppose you always have to keep the door open that Fox changes his mind and signs with Carolina in the end ... we shall see...
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Posted 2019-04-01 2:34 PM (#723615 - in reply to #722584)
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Might be hard to trade him if the other team isn't convinced Fox would sign with them
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Fox is listed at 5'11" 180 lbs...3rd round pick and there are questions about his skating....I am not going to crazy over him just yet


I don't know what to tell you Mikey.... no one ever said he was a generational talent or anything. But if the Rangers have the opportunity to get a young guy who could be a second pair RHD who is at or near NHL ready, for basically pennies on the dollar, then you get him. I don't think I'd trade a first rounder for him but beyond that I'd be pretty open.

Don't go crazy because he's the second coming, but rather, go crazy if the Rangers can add a good young prospect for cheap.
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Might be hard to trade him if the other team isn't convinced Fox would sign with them


Yeah they usually let the agents sort this out before the deal gets done. Fox would hold the cards here since he basically controls where he goes, or else, he just goes back to Harvard. If he can keep the bidding down to a small number of teams then the acquisition price gets lower and lower.
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Posted 2019-04-01 2:42 PM (#723618 - in reply to #722584)
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Remember the bidding war for Vesey?
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Posted 2019-04-01 2:43 PM (#723619 - in reply to #722584)
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Posted 2019-04-01 2:48 PM (#723621 - in reply to #722584)
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If Fox is listed at 5'11" then that means he is smaller than Pionk
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Posted 2019-04-01 3:02 PM (#723622 - in reply to #722584)
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Am I opposed to signing him? No....am I excited about him? No Would I trade for him? definitely not
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Remember the bidding war for Vesey?


Yeah, we got 90 points out of him so far, and all it cost us is an ELC contract - young, cost controlled... sure he's not a top liner but what is the downside of signing a Vesey, or a Hayes which we flipped for assets, or a Fox? There's no downside here. Just be realistic about what you expect from him.

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Am I opposed to signing him? No....am I excited about him? No Would I trade for him? definitely not


Let's say we trade a second round pick for his rights and he signs here on an ELC.... just imagine that we drafted him with a second round pick, and instead of having to wait 3 or 4 years until he's ready, instead he's just ready now.

Pronman ranked Fox at 44 in his mid-season rankings, a few spots above K'andre Miller (47) to give you a rough estimate of how he's regarded. And we spent a first rounder on Miller, and he's probably still a couple of years away.
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Posted 2019-04-01 3:45 PM (#723625 - in reply to #722584)
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Vesey was also a 3rd rounder...He has an NHL body...I like Vesey....Same thing with Hayes...NHL body. If Miller is behind Fox thats worrisome
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Twitter is hilarious...seeing top pair Fox and KAM next season
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Adam Fox is a damn good hockey player. Size is the only thing he is missing, but 5'11" isn't THAT small... especially in today's NHL.

A lot of top D are around the same size.... Will Butcher... Charlie McAvoy....

Adam Fox has put up better NCAA numbers than both of those players

He has more points per game than Cale Makar and Quinn Hughes.

If you wouldn't be excited about having this kid in our system, it would.... I have to believe.... be because you know nothing about him other than he's 5'11"

He would instantly be one if not THE top prospect in our system.

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He would instantly be one if not THE top prospect in our system.


I wouldn't go that far, he'd easily be one of the top 2 defensive prospects in our system though.
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I read what the NHL executives said in the Lebrun article...you need to be able to skate in today’s NHL...I freely admit I know nothing about Fox...Pionk is listed at 6’0”....let that sink in....my position is to not believe the hype anymore...been there done that with this team....MSG propaganda machine works OT these departments
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What hype? Nobody is saying the kid is the next coming. But he's a good young prospect that's available for cheap, why wouldn't get excited about that. He's not projected to be a top pair guy but if you can get a 23 year old NHL RHD and it only costs you a mid-round pick then that's a huge win for your team.

Pionk being 6'0 has absolutely nothing to do with Fox... you need to stop looking at height and weight when you evaluate players. It's a red herring.
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concust - 2019-04-02 9:34 AM

What hype? Nobody is saying the kid is the next coming. But he's a good young prospect that's available for cheap, why wouldn't get excited about that. He's not projected to be a top pair guy but if you can get a 23 year old NHL RHD and it only costs you a mid-round pick then that's a huge win for your team.

Pionk being 6'0 has absolutely nothing to do with Fox... you need to stop looking at height and weight when you evaluate players. It's a red herring.

I have no issue signing him as a UFA....I am not in favor of trading draft picks....But do you remember when we got Gilroy? MSG almost threw a parade for him...2006 Bobby Sanguinetti...JM every night ..."wait til you see this kid" The Vesey sweepstakes there was a media frenzy...The hype around him is not the player that we got....I like Vesey but he is nothing special...There is crazy Fox hype in the tritteratti lol....Pionk is listed at 6'0" ...He is not even close to it...so Fox might be same size as him....Pionk is a terrible defenseman but a very good skater...that is why he is still here
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Height is nice but its not a deal breaker...Skill skating and compete level (backbone) are the penultimate
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What hype? Nobody is saying the kid is the next coming. But he's a good young prospect that's available for cheap, why wouldn't get excited about that. He's not projected to be a top pair guy but if you can get a 23 year old NHL RHD and it only costs you a mid-round pick then that's a huge win for your team.

Pionk being 6'0 has absolutely nothing to do with Fox... you need to stop looking at height and weight when you evaluate players. It's a red herring.

I have no issue signing him as a UFA....I am not in favor of trading draft picks....But do you remember when we got Gilroy? MSG almost threw a parade for him...2006 Bobby Sanguinetti...JM every night ..."wait til you see this kid" The Vesey sweepstakes there was a media frenzy...The hype around him is not the player that we got....I like Vesey but he is nothing special...There is crazy Fox hype in the tritteratti lol....Pionk is listed at 6'0" ...He is not even close to it...so Fox might be same size as him....Pionk is a terrible defenseman but a very good skater...that is why he is still here


Tell ya what Mikey - you have to start listening to the right people. Turn your twitter off and find some resources that go in depth about prospects, and what their strengths are and what their weaknesses are. Vesey was always projected to be a third liner, and if you got lucky, maybe he has top 6 potential. The hype about vesey is that players his age and NHL ready don't ever go to UFA so he was "special". No one said he was going to be elite. Gilroy, same thing - you don't usually get the chance to get a free asset. Same with Tomas Pock.

First rounders.... they're great and all but you can't judge for a few years at least. The best you can do is look at their year over year performance and see if their development is stalled or progressing. Turn off the twitter, it's more crap than gold.

Fox, if we do happen to get him, is 100% worth a second or third round pick. Even then I'd say he probably has a 50/50 shot of playing in the NHL next year. All these prospects are unproven until they've been given a fair shot at the NHL. The hype isn't that he's going to come here and score 20 goals his rookie year. Don't believe anyone that tells you he's NHL ready. The hype is that the Rangers can substantially improve their prospect depth at defense, for basically nothing.

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Who should i lsten to then? BSB? who has a trade Strome article now and a Fox article where they have his jersey retired already? Adam Herman? lol ...I stick to TSN and Pronman
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I'm all for Fox if it only means bumping Shattenkirk or Pionk off the team...and make no mistake...There is going to be Trouba conversations...His wife is a Doctor that can't practice in Canada...and wants to live in NYC
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Who should i lsten to then? BSB? who has a trade Strome article now and a Fox article where they have his jersey retired already? Adam Herman? lol ...I stick to TSN and Pronman


OK stick to TSN and Pronman. Pronman had Fox ranked 44th best prospect in January, K'andre Miller was 47. Fox is potentially ready next year, Miller might need another couple of years. They both have top 4 potential, but both are not expected to be elite defensemen. If all works out well they'll be good two way defensemen, Miller might be a little more physical and Fox may have some more offensive talent. We'll have to see how each adjusts to the pace of the pro game. There's also a good chance that neither one will be NHL regulars. That's just the way it works with prospects you hit on some and miss on others. But if you have more assets the better the chances of hitting on one.

So there you go, be happy there's something to potentially be excited about prior to the lottery, maybe we can add an asset. That is good news in itself.
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I read Canes want a 1st for Fox....I hang up the phone on that....I'll give Pionk...basic hockey trade similarish in age
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Nut how does it look for LV in the playoffs?


Frankly, I feel like their Cinderella season came and went....
I've been lurking back here in Ranger land where my heart is and hoping the rebuild includes picking up Panara in the off season...
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Nut how does it look for LV in the playoffs?


Frankly, I feel like their Cinderella season came and went....
I've been lurking back here in Ranger land where my heart is and hoping the rebuild includes picking up Panara in the off season...

I hear ya bud...Root for Dallas in the West lol
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I just went back and looked...The Oil won the lotto 3 straight years and 4 out of 6


Bettman conspiracy
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I read Canes want a 1st for Fox....I hang up the phone on that....I'll give Pionk...basic hockey trade similarish in age


They can't do that trade and wake up the next morning. At least with a pick you have hope. I'd give them anything short of a first.
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Mikey Red - 2019-04-02 3:38 PM

I just went back and looked...The Oil won the lotto 3 straight years and 4 out of 6


Bettman conspiracy

Haha totally
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I just went back and looked...The Oil won the lotto 3 straight years and 4 out of 6


Bettman conspiracy

Haha totally


Remember how the Crosby draft was the only one behind closed doors, for some reason? And that Pittsburgh was in serious financial trouble until then?
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I just went back and looked...The Oil won the lotto 3 straight years and 4 out of 6


Bettman conspiracy

Haha totally


Remember how the Crosby draft was the only one behind closed doors, for some reason? And that Pittsburgh was in serious financial trouble until then?

Yep totally....one reason why the NHL can't get out of it's own way
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He would instantly be one if not THE top prospect in our system.


I wouldn't go that far, he'd easily be one of the top 2 defensive prospects in our system though.


THE top defensive prospect

https://www.tsn.ca/top-50-nhl-affiliated-prospects-1.1241869

TSN had Fox as the 12th best prospect a couple months ago... Kravtsov was #1... Cale Makar was/is regarded as the top defensive prospect followed by Quinn Hughes, Erik Brannstrom, then Adam Fox...

Fox finished with more points then both Makar and Hughes playing in the same league... he had more points per game than anyone in the NCAA this year




Harvard put up a highlight reel of him a few hours ago as he's a Hobey Baker finalist.... he very well may win it....
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It is potentially better for us if Nashville wins the Central
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Can't forget the best case scenario of Dallas makes it to the WCF and Tampa wins The Cup giving the Rangers FOUR 1st rounders!!!
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Can't forget the best case scenario of Dallas makes it to the WCF and Tampa wins The Cup giving the Rangers FOUR 1st rounders!!!
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I read Canes want a 1st for Fox....I hang up the phone on that....I'll give Pionk...basic hockey trade similarish in age


If Tampa wins the cup, I would trade that pick for Fox
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Harvard put up a highlight reel of him a few hours ago as he's a Hobey Baker finalist.... he very well may win it....


Kiss of death!
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Fascinating developments last night....Buffalo actually won a game...now stand tied with Detroit at 74 points....They play each other to end the season tomorrow night....somebody has to win the game and move to 76 points....even better scenario is that game goes to OT....Then both of those teams pass us...If we lose out. CBJ makes the playoffs if they win tonight....Hopefully Hank the tank play vs Pitt and we lose....Pitt needs the game because if they lose and Carolina wins...Pitt becomes a WC team

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Harvard put up a highlight reel of him a few hours ago as he's a Hobey Baker finalist.... he very well may win it....


Kiss of death!


Yeah - that Hobey Baker really jinxed Johnny Geadreau, lol
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Harvard put up a highlight reel of him a few hours ago as he's a Hobey Baker finalist.... he very well may win it....


Kiss of death!


Yeah - that Hobey Baker really jinxed Johnny Geadreau, lol
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Posted 2019-04-06 9:04 AM (#724097 - in reply to #722584)
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Rangers clinch 5th worst with a regulation loss in Pittsburgh.
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Buffalo did their job again tonight.. Stupid, stupid, stupid Rangers. Could of had three four kids in the lineup tonight.
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We finish 6th...Thank you Oil...and F you Pittsburgh for mailing that game in....Also importantly...Nashville won the division...So Winnepegs 1st potentially can be lower
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Posted 2019-04-07 7:12 AM (#724208 - in reply to #722584)
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What frustrates me is that at this point of a rebuilding season, Quinn would be perfectly justified in saying "we want to play some kids and get them experience" and sitting some of the vets and young vets. It's in his best interest to get a better player/higher draft pick also, more for him to work with next year.

Let's just hope the lotto balls fall in our favor, although it hasn't in 23 years.
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The Rangers make you shake your head sometimes and this one is earthquake like. You have to be in awe of the ego involved in the stupidity of the lineups for the last 10 games. The perfect opportunity to see some young players in games against opponents who still have something to play for, and the management and coaching group throws out the strongest lineup they have every game, bypassing kids that could have been assessed for next year. Playing players they know they don't want around next year, instead of some prospects. Stupid, stupid, stupid. Well they screwed themselves, well done.
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Posted 2019-04-07 8:54 AM (#724210 - in reply to #722584)
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It's imperative that we get rid of Shattenkirk. Smith at forward isn't the worst thing but paying him $4 million is. If Krav and a UFA comes here and makes it next season then you can't have Smith at forward...so either 7th D or trade him too. Hajek and Lindgren are good enough to play right now....Crawley might be close....ADA is a keeper...I guess Skjei is. Hell no on Karlsson but Hell yes on trying to get Trouba. I can't watch another game with what seems like Pionk is top pair and out there the whole game. Get Staal a disability Lawyer. Hire either Yzerman or JD and get the party started
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I want Dylan Cozens or Kirby Dach as our lottery pick. Nolan Foote with either 22 or 31. Big fast players who are physical. Dallas makes the finals we get 18th pick also.
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I wonder if Kreider will be around next year. They have been trading guys with time left on their deal to get a better return. I guess ultimately the question is, are they willing to go $6mx6 for a 27 year old Kreider, or does this type of contract simply not fit into their plans (from a timing standpoint)

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I want Dylan Cozens or Kirby Dach as our lottery pick. Nolan Foote with either 22 or 31. Big fast players who are physical. Dallas makes the finals we get 18th pick also.

If they make the Finals it wont be an 18th pick
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Housley done, Bougher done, McDavid with a serious injury that puts an end to trade rumors (for now).
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I want Dylan Cozens or Kirby Dach as our lottery pick. Nolan Foote with either 22 or 31. Big fast players who are physical. Dallas makes the finals we get 18th pick also.

If they make the Finals it wont be an 18th pick


Whatever it is can be used in a package to move up, also.... along with the pending Tampa pick if the win The Cup.

Could end up with four 1st round picks. If they don't win the lotto, I feel this Ott/Colarado pick could be had in a trade
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Just sit at the table and pick the BPA at your time at bat...No more of this off the board chit
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Housley done, Bougher done, McDavid with a serious injury that puts an end to trade rumors (for now).

1. Eichel maybe?
2. Did Florida crack 8,000 fans at any home games?
3. X rays negative...I hope for him he's ok
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2. They do when they play the Rangers.

Hahahaha
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Just sit at the table and pick the BPA at your time at bat...No more of this off the board chit


Yeah well... off who's board?

They don't give a.f. who Bob McKenzie likes.... if they did we wouldn't have Kravtsov who is widely currently believed to be the top prospect not in the NHL, who btw has played center most of the year



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I want Dylan Cozens or Kirby Dach as our lottery pick. Nolan Foote with either 22 or 31. Big fast players who are physical. Dallas makes the finals we get 18th pick also.

If they make the Finals it wont be an 18th pick


I believe he's saying that if Dallas makes the final, that means Winnipeg will have bounced out early, and that pick could then potentially be as high as 18. Not that Dallas' pick would be 18.
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I want Dylan Cozens or Kirby Dach as our lottery pick. Nolan Foote with either 22 or 31. Big fast players who are physical. Dallas makes the finals we get 18th pick also.

If they make the Finals it wont be an 18th pick


I believe he's saying that if Dallas makes the final, that means Winnipeg will have bounced out early, and that pick could then potentially be as high as 18. Not that Dallas' pick would be 18.


Yeah, if Dallas and Winni both make ot passed round one, they play eachother in round 2
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I want Dylan Cozens or Kirby Dach as our lottery pick. Nolan Foote with either 22 or 31. Big fast players who are physical. Dallas makes the finals we get 18th pick also.

If they make the Finals it wont be an 18th pick


I believe he's saying that if Dallas makes the final, that means Winnipeg will have bounced out early, and that pick could then potentially be as high as 18. Not that Dallas' pick would be 18.


Yeah, if Dallas and Winni both make ot passed round one, they play eachother in round 2


Having said that we would definitely want Winnipeg out in first round versus in the second round.
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Just sit at the table and pick the BPA at your time at bat...No more of this off the board chit


Yeah well... off who's board?

They don't give a.f. who Bob McKenzie likes.... if they did we wouldn't have Kravtsov who is widely currently believed to be the top prospect not in the NHL, who btw has played center most of the year


Lias was off the board...and has shown why. Middlestadt Tippet Vilardi and Nrecas were there to be had.
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TB to win the SC. That also bumps our CBJ picks higher up in the rounds. Dallas wins 2 rounds. Winnipeg gets bounced in 1st round...That would all be great
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We get the parents of #1 draft pick.
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Ten spins 1 (Hughes), 6,6,6 (Cozens), 7,7,7,7,7 (Krebs?), 2 (Kakko). Pick #22 keeps coming up Thomas Harley (6'3", 183, 17.6 yrs old) Still hoping to get Nolan Foote.
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First roll today, #1.

sorry if I used up all our luck
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It was a crazy roll, too - Rangers +5, Minnesota +9, Arizona +11
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It was a crazy roll, too - Rangers +5, Minnesota +9, Arizona +11

That would be awesome if that happened
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If we drop down in the lotto from 6...That will be it for me with Sam Rosen. Everything that can go wrong has gone wrong with this team since 1994
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And if we do win the lotto...That should be the starting point to acquire Connor MacDavid
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It was a crazy roll, too - Rangers +5, Minnesota +9, Arizona +11

That would be awesome if that happened


Shiiit. I did just 1 round and won the lottery. Bad omen if multiples of us are getting the Rangers first. Or maybe the site has inside info. That would be good!

Rangers (+5), Flyers (+8) then Kings (-1).
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Mikey Red - 2019-04-09 3:24 PM

If we drop down in the lotto from 6...That will be it for me with Sam Rosen. Everything that can go wrong has gone wrong with this team since 1994


Don't look at the probabilities then because you won't be happy.
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Mikey Red - 2019-04-09 4:24 PM

If we drop down in the lotto from 6...That will be it for me with Sam Rosen. Everything that can go wrong has gone wrong with this team since 1994


Yeah, if anyone wins the lotto that did better than The Rangers, I blame Sam Rosen because it means there's no hope to build a winning team... ?

I know you're kinda joking, but...
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Mikey Red - 2019-04-09 4:24 PM

If we drop down in the lotto from 6...That will be it for me with Sam Rosen. Everything that can go wrong has gone wrong with this team since 1994


Yeah, if anyone wins the lotto that did better than The Rangers, I blame Sam Rosen because it means there's no hope to build a winning team... ?

I know you're kinda joking, but...

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About to start announcing the order here... drum roll PLEASE!
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C’mon baby, #1!!!
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NBC is milking this for all it’s worth. If I was there, I’d ask Gorton, “How much pressure is on you to NOT **** this up?”
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Top 3???? Holy Crap!!!

Wont be getting a stinking Lias this year!!
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I’m enjoying that win against the Pens on Saturday even more tonight.
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How many times do the F'n Devils get to win the Lotto?
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I’ll take it, but the fecking Devils?

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We're gonna get a good one I believe.

Now lets see how many more #1's we get this year, if we get 3 more, maybe we can trade 2 of the 3 for a great player
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Hughes and Kakko are can’t miss. Either one can be a #1. Best draft news ever.

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Dammit, the Devils have rigged the system.

So let the speculation begin. If it was the #1, Gorton’s hands would be tied and he’d just draft Hughes. But now that he’s got #2, he can take the popular pick (Kakko) or get creative. Creative picks bring the potential for busts and second-guessing and getting fired. Have fun, Jeff.
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Great night for the Rangers for a change . Kakko is real close to Quinn in terms of value. If they covet a Cozens instead of Kakko maybe they flip with Chicago. The Russian is a great player, so the options of holding number 2 are there and it's up to Gorton to maximize the pick.
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PV29 - 2019-04-09 8:53 PM

Dammit, the Devils have rigged the system.

So let the speculation begin. If it was the #1, Gorton’s hands would be tied and he’d just draft Hughes. But now that he’s got #2, he can take the popular pick (Kakko) or get creative. Creative picks bring the potential for busts and second-guessing and getting fired. Have fun, Jeff.


If they take anyone other than Kakko or Hughes, then all management must be fired and Dolan should be forced to sell the team.
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PV29 - 2019-04-09 8:53 PM

Dammit, the Devils have rigged the system.

So let the speculation begin. If it was the #1, Gorton’s hands would be tied and he’d just draft Hughes. But now that he’s got #2, he can take the popular pick (Kakko) or get creative. Creative picks bring the potential for busts and second-guessing and getting fired. Have fun, Jeff.

Heck yeah! you probably can't go wrong up to first 7 picks
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Centers and defensemen have the biggest influence on games unless your name is Ovechkin and a few more big time wingers. No defensemen at the top of this draft and wingers rated two and three complicating things if your after a big time center and Cozens and Byam are close. Kakko was a big time player for the World Junior tourney . Hes a stud. Get your jersey now before the price goes up. The Rangers will not over think this one.
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The Rangers finally caught a draft break. It will be interesting to see if the Devils go for the smaller skill center or the power winger. The Rangers can't really lose at number two.
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Best night as a Ranger fan in a long time. We really beat the odds tonight. That was a really lucky bounce.

They can't go off the board on this pick. It's either Hughes or Kakko. Even picking Podkolzin would be a huge risk. By all accounts it's 1 and 2 almost neck and neck, 3 is close behind but a clear 3, and then there's a dropoff for the next tier. Picking in the top 2 and going off the board would be suicide.

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Trade Kreider to Colorado for the #4



Man if they could trade Kreider in a deal for that pick and come out of the draft with Kakko and Cozens. :

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Trade Kreider to Colorado for the #4



Man if they could trade Kreider in a deal for that pick and come out of the draft with Kakko and Cozens.


Kreider playing with Mackinnon would be pretty incredible. If he played on Mackinnon's wing he probably fulfills his 40-goal potential.

One thing I do if I'm Jeff Gorton is call up Carolina and play hardball. Fox for Pionk and a third, take it or leave it. And then leak the proposed deal to the media so they know if they don't take it there will be regret next summer when he goes UFA and they lose him for nothing.
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Trade Kreider to Colorado for the #4



Man if they could trade Kreider in a deal for that pick and come out of the draft with Kakko and Cozens.


Kreider playing with Mackinnon would be pretty incredible. If he played on Mackinnon's wing he probably fulfills his 40-goal potential.

One thing I do if I'm Jeff Gorton is call up Carolina and play hardball. Fox for Pionk and a third, take it or leave it. And then leak the proposed deal to the media so they know if they don't take it there will be regret next summer when he goes UFA and they lose him for nothing.



As long as Fox is playing hardball with the Rangers being his only choice, but I read a bit of a interview with him the other day and hes focused on best opportunity to play in the NHL so he may have another team or two on his ok list. It will be interesting g to see how all that plays out.
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Posted 2019-04-09 9:17 PM (#724309 - in reply to #724307)
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Trade Kreider to Colorado for the #4



Man if they could trade Kreider in a deal for that pick and come out of the draft with Kakko and Cozens.


Kreider playing with Mackinnon would be pretty incredible. If he played on Mackinnon's wing he probably fulfills his 40-goal potential.

One thing I do if I'm Jeff Gorton is call up Carolina and play hardball. Fox for Pionk and a third, take it or leave it. And then leak the proposed deal to the media so they know if they don't take it there will be regret next summer when he goes UFA and they lose him for nothing.



As long as Fox is playing hardball with the Rangers being his only choice, but I read a bit of a interview with him the other day and hes focused on best opportunity to play in the NHL so he may have another team or two on his ok list. It will be interesting g to see how all that plays out.


That may be the case but still drastically limits Carolina's options. I'd be thrilled to get Fox at a discount, or wait another year and get him for free, but if he wants to sign somewhere else I'm not too broken up about it.. And honestly I don't see how another team in the league would be able to give him more/better opportunity than the rebuilding Rangers at this point.

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Posted 2019-04-09 9:25 PM (#724310 - in reply to #724309)
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Mikey Red - 2019-04-09 6:14 PM

Trade Kreider to Colorado for the #4



Man if they could trade Kreider in a deal for that pick and come out of the draft with Kakko and Cozens.


Kreider playing with Mackinnon would be pretty incredible. If he played on Mackinnon's wing he probably fulfills his 40-goal potential.

One thing I do if I'm Jeff Gorton is call up Carolina and play hardball. Fox for Pionk and a third, take it or leave it. And then leak the proposed deal to the media so they know if they don't take it there will be regret next summer when he goes UFA and they lose him for nothing.



As long as Fox is playing hardball with the Rangers being his only choice, but I read a bit of a interview with him the other day and hes focused on best opportunity to play in the NHL so he may have another team or two on his ok list. It will be interesting g to see how all that plays out.


That may be the case but still drastically limits Carolina's options. I'd be thrilled to get Fox at a discount, or wait another year and get him for free, but if he wants to sign somewhere else I'm not too broken up about it.. And honestly I don't see how another team in the league would be able to give him more/better opportunity than the rebuilding Rangers at this point.




I don't disagree. The other thing he and other potential players can see, especially after tonight is some pretty good optimism about what Gorton has going. Tonight was huge. I think Fox being from where he is and with the defensive spot openings is going to be real interested in the Rangers. If Gorton grabs him for a third and Pionk he will get his opportunity.
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Posted 2019-04-09 9:25 PM (#724311 - in reply to #722584)
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Sweet. I'm actually looking forward to seeing Kaapo Kaako in a Rangers uniform. And Hughes right there in NJ makes things even more interesting.
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Article in the post today Gorton happy the "hockey gods" shone on the Rangers after playing it straight and hard down the stretch when no one would have criticized them for tanking. They deserved it, and like I said earlier a great draft to be picking number 2. A definite fall off after Hughes and Kappo who are both number 1 overall talents, bringing different skill sets and abilities to the table making jersey's pick a lot tougher than it looks. Devils face the possibility of losing Taylor Hall to free agency after next season and Shero is smart enough to know he already has Hischier at center and Kappo is a nice replacement for Hall if he leaves.
Kappo has phenomenal numbers for his age bracket over in Finland, and brings more size and skill to the group Gorton is compiling. Ranger centers are going to be fighting to play with a guy, that can dangle like this kid. What a great day this was yesterday.
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Posted 2019-04-10 7:35 AM (#724325 - in reply to #722584)
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I think that's a little bit of monday morning quarterbacking by Gorton... of course that's easier to say when you beat the odds and end up #2. Odds were heavily in favor of staying at 6 or dropping, and that's what the original "tanking" criticism was. You obviously want the best chance of picking as high as possible going in - no one should go into the draft with hope as a strategy. The Kings played hard at the end too, winning 6 of their last 10 (we won 4 of our last 10) but they got totally boned, dropping from the 2 spot to #5. So I guess the hockey gods didn't smile on them for playing hard.

But as GM he's a spin guy also, so he's entitled to frame it how he likes, not going to rain on this parade at all. And obviously no GM is going to come out and say they were tanking, all they can do is give their coach the assets to tank (he did). It's all moot. Games are over, we lucked out.

Shero is probably going to draft Hughes but looking at it objectively I think Kakko fits the team better, and specifically to play with Nico. There's a bit of a logjam at center for them, especially with Zajac's contract on the books for a few more years. I'm not sure how much Zacha played on the wing last year but he has the skillset for it. That might help. Hall leaving after next year would be a big blow but that would "help" the logjam at center also. Realistically they already have 4 centers on the team right now, (Hischer, Zacha, Hall, Zajac) and moving one to wing is only kicking the can down the road. They could use a goal scoring winger more than adding another center.

For the Rangers, Kakko would slot right in at wing. There's no winger that has really cemented a spot in the top 6, although many are deserving. And with twice as many wing spots as center spots, there's more roster flexibility also. Personally I prefer Hughes but if he "fell" to us we'd have some tough roster decisions to make.

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Posted 2019-04-10 8:03 AM (#724326 - in reply to #722584)
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Monday morning quarterbacking over what? He's telling it like it is and was. L. A. is quite right to say the hockey gods didn't shine on them. Gorton is thrilled he got the pick and is pointing out how happy they are they went about it the right way. its an obvious reference to some poor teams don't all go all out down the stretch. or is a smart GM talking out of his ass about nothing. Tanking happens all the time, its an art in and of itself. Going into a lottery with hope and higher odds created by finish is all you got, not sure who your referring to who goes into a draft with hope only. Makes it all the better when you go about it the right way, all the way down to playing the hottest goalie. Rangers could have improved their chances of losing by playing a subpar Lundqvist down the stretch and nobody would have said squat, they didn't, they played their best. Well done.
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Posted 2019-04-10 9:40 AM (#724333 - in reply to #722584)
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Posted 2019-04-10 10:54 AM (#724334 - in reply to #722584)
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Brian Burke ranting on Hockey Central about the lotto.... Good non playoff teams jumping many spots over a bad team ....and repetitive bad teams being allowed to pick 1st so many times
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Posted 2019-04-10 11:46 AM (#724336 - in reply to #722584)
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Posted 2019-04-10 5:42 PM (#724347 - in reply to #722697)
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I just did the lottery sim and the Kings won. BUT the RANGERS had the #2.


well look at this....a regular f in Nostrodumass I am
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Pierre_Pdare - 2019-04-10 7:42 PM

Pierre_Pdare - 2019-03-14 4:33 PM

I just did the lottery sim and the Kings won. BUT the RANGERS had the #2.


well look at this....a regular f in Nostrodumass I am

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Posted 2019-04-10 6:37 PM (#724352 - in reply to #724347)
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Pierre_Pdare - 2019-04-10 4:42 PM

Pierre_Pdare - 2019-03-14 4:33 PM

I just did the lottery sim and the Kings won. BUT the RANGERS had the #2.


well look at this....a regular f in Nostrodumass I am




Haha Pierre well done.
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Posted 2019-04-10 6:52 PM (#724353 - in reply to #722584)
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The more you look at this the more I like the Rangers can't miss position unless they do something off the wall. I would not be overly suprised to see Shero take Kakko who is as much a game breaker as Hughes, just in a different way.. I can hardly wait for the draft. It will hopefully remove the bitter taste of Andersson over Middlestadt who would have been fantastic with Kakko.
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Posted 2019-04-11 7:11 AM (#724358 - in reply to #722584)
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Posted 2019-04-11 7:40 AM (#724359 - in reply to #722584)
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Pronman article on The Athletic, I'll just post the conculsion


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Kakko has done nothing but impress over the past two seasons. It’s hard to pick apart his play or skill set given what he’s shown at the international and pro levels. He’s given every indication he can be a star forward in the NHL and, given what he’s done versus men already, every indication he could step in right away next season and make a seamless transition into a top-nine, if not a top-six forward role.
The question on Kakko is if he’s dynamic enough to rise to the level of a true superstar, a guy who can define a franchise. I think there is reasonable doubt there, but from what he’s done this season at one of the highest levels of hockey, it is certainly possible. I know more than one team who would take him over Hughes, citing that Kakko’s skill set and the way he plays will translate better to the NHL.
I would not bet currently on him reaching the highest echelons of production in the NHL, but I can see him in the very next tier. In that sense, I see him as a roughly comparable prospect talent-wise to Andrei Svechnikov at this time last season, except with added value given what Kakko’s proven versus men


https://theathletic.com/902206/2019/04/08/pronman-why-kaapo-kakko-co...
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Watching some highlights from last night...Heiskenen can skate like Paul Coffey. Rinne is not a money goalie. Dallas can absolutely win that series
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Posted 2019-04-11 8:39 AM (#724362 - in reply to #722584)
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Rinne never was, the weak link on that team, I don't know why they never went after a playoff type goalie, they would have won the cup by now. They are about to become the next toothless Sharks. Craps avoided that label last year.

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Rinne never was, the weak link on that team, I don't know why they never went after a playoff type goalie, they would have won the cup by now. They are about to become the next toothless Sharks. Craps avoided that label last year.
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Posted 2019-04-11 12:23 PM (#724365 - in reply to #722584)
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Watching Denmark vs Finland right now, looking for #24 Kakko, haven't seen him yet. Start noticing this other guy #34 who's dominating shifts. He takes a stick to the jaw, they zoom in on him, it's Kakko. Color me surprised, he's wearing a different number and I didn't know it was him but he was easily one of the best on the ice.

My preference for Hughes may have gone down a notch.
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Of minor note, Kakko is playing LW. He usually plays RW and this was of note to me because we already have Buch and Kravtsov penciled in for spots on the right side. If Kakko can/is comfortable playing the left side (his natural wing) this could alleviate some need for roster juggling.
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Posted 2019-04-11 10:22 PM (#724370 - in reply to #722584)
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Kravtsov and Kakko have both played center well. The Rangers have issues at center after Zibanejad. Kakko or Kravtsov don't take a back seat to any other center on the roster. If Chytil and Andersson dont get it together at center out of camp next year, they might be the wingers.
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My biggest issue is D, & playing D as a team, forwards that can come back pick up their man, & fore check. This team to go anywhere to be good again needs huge improvement on D. The team as a team has to play good, solid D. The goalies face 35+ shots every game, have to win games all on their own. There are a bunch of Bures & Gretzkys & Jagrs on the team that don't play any D, but none are named Bure or Gretzky or Jagr that can get away & look the other way playing no D.

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Monday morning quarterbacking over what? He's telling it like it is and was. L. A. is quite right to say the hockey gods didn't shine on them. Gorton is thrilled he got the pick and is pointing out how happy they are they went about it the right way. its an obvious reference to some poor teams don't all go all out down the stretch. or is a smart GM talking out of his ass about nothing. Tanking happens all the time, its an art in and of itself. Going into a lottery with hope and higher odds created by finish is all you got, not sure who your referring to who goes into a draft with hope only. Makes it all the better when you go about it the right way, all the way down to playing the hottest goalie. Rangers could have improved their chances of losing by playing a subpar Lundqvist down the stretch and nobody would have said squat, they didn't, they played their best. Well done.


I hear what you're saying, but, I agree with Concust. What do you think Gorton would've said if the Rangers fell to 8th, which had a higher % of happening?

Also, there is no such thing as hockey gods..............

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Kravtsov and Kakko have both played center well. The Rangers have issues at center after Zibanejad. Kakko or Kravtsov don't take a back seat to any other center on the roster. If Chytil and Andersson dont get it together at center out of camp next year, they might be the wingers.


Kakko can probably play D, too.... he's pretty much set as a winger.

Kravtsov has been playing center all year, both for Team Russia and his KHL team. Upon drafting Gordie mentioned he likes him as a center, too. Chytil may very well be a winger again next year.

Which is fine! Either way is good. That said, Anderson may be a trading chip already. He wasn't drafted to be a 4th liner, but The Rangers are running out of room in their top 9
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Posted 2019-04-12 8:25 AM (#724379 - in reply to #724374)
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Monday morning quarterbacking over what? He's telling it like it is and was. L. A. is quite right to say the hockey gods didn't shine on them. Gorton is thrilled he got the pick and is pointing out how happy they are they went about it the right way. its an obvious reference to some poor teams don't all go all out down the stretch. or is a smart GM talking out of his ass about nothing. Tanking happens all the time, its an art in and of itself. Going into a lottery with hope and higher odds created by finish is all you got, not sure who your referring to who goes into a draft with hope only. Makes it all the better when you go about it the right way, all the way down to playing the hottest goalie. Rangers could have improved their chances of losing by playing a subpar Lundqvist down the stretch and nobody would have said squat, they didn't, they played their best. Well done.


I hear what you're saying, but, I agree with Concust. What do you think Gorton would've said if the Rangers fell to 8th, which had a higher % of happening?

Also, there is no such thing as hockey gods..............




So you would have been happier if he said we didn't deserve this because we went all out down to the wire fine.. Your going to have to ask Gorton what he would have said pagan.
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Kravtsov and Kakko have both played center well. The Rangers have issues at center after Zibanejad. Kakko or Kravtsov don't take a back seat to any other center on the roster. If Chytil and Andersson dont get it together at center out of camp next year, they might be the wingers.


Kakko can probably play D, too.... he's pretty much set as a winger.

Kravtsov has been playing center all year, both for Team Russia and his KHL team. Upon drafting Gordie mentioned he likes him as a center, too. Chytil may very well be a winger again next year.

Which is fine! Either way is good. That said, Anderson may be a trading chip already. He wasn't drafted to be a 4th liner, but The Rangers are running out of room in their top 9



Kappo has had a lot of dominating performances as a center. Including the WJC. Your opinion is noted but thankfully Quinn will not have your pre conceived notions and Kappo will get his look at Center. And I'm sure the thought of beating out any center on the roster besides Zib doesn't worry Kappo to much.
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Posted 2019-04-12 9:24 AM (#724387 - in reply to #722584)
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One thing to remember when you consider Kakko as center, is that his dominating performances at center come from U20 competition on ad-hoc national teams. When you have a player of Kakko's caliber and he's playing with smaller and less skilled teammates in, say, the WJC, you're going to want him at center because he'll likely have a greater impact on both sides of the ice than he would as a winger

When he plays in Liiga, with men, he's a winger. I think that's likely a better reference point for where he would play in the NHL , but as you said if we draft him I'm sure the coaching staff will try him at center if he's comfortable there, to see how he holds up at the NHL level. If he can/is comfortable playing center, that opens up a number of possibilities for the roster, as that also means you can try to convert another center who isn't cutting it at that position, to wing.
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Monday morning quarterbacking over what? He's telling it like it is and was. L. A. is quite right to say the hockey gods didn't shine on them. Gorton is thrilled he got the pick and is pointing out how happy they are they went about it the right way. its an obvious reference to some poor teams don't all go all out down the stretch. or is a smart GM talking out of his ass about nothing. Tanking happens all the time, its an art in and of itself. Going into a lottery with hope and higher odds created by finish is all you got, not sure who your referring to who goes into a draft with hope only. Makes it all the better when you go about it the right way, all the way down to playing the hottest goalie. Rangers could have improved their chances of losing by playing a subpar Lundqvist down the stretch and nobody would have said squat, they didn't, they played their best. Well done.


I hear what you're saying, but, I agree with Concust. What do you think Gorton would've said if the Rangers fell to 8th, which had a higher % of happening?

Also, there is no such thing as hockey gods..............




So you would have been happier if he said we didn't deserve this because we went all out down to the wire fine.. Your going to have to ask Gorton what he would have said pagan.


I wouldn't be happier about anything he would have or could have said... I just don't think he believes that because they played the right way they were rewarded with the 2nd overall. It was just luck, just like Chicago and NJ
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Monday morning quarterbacking over what? He's telling it like it is and was. L. A. is quite right to say the hockey gods didn't shine on them. Gorton is thrilled he got the pick and is pointing out how happy they are they went about it the right way. its an obvious reference to some poor teams don't all go all out down the stretch. or is a smart GM talking out of his ass about nothing. Tanking happens all the time, its an art in and of itself. Going into a lottery with hope and higher odds created by finish is all you got, not sure who your referring to who goes into a draft with hope only. Makes it all the better when you go about it the right way, all the way down to playing the hottest goalie. Rangers could have improved their chances of losing by playing a subpar Lundqvist down the stretch and nobody would have said squat, they didn't, they played their best. Well done.


I hear what you're saying, but, I agree with Concust. What do you think Gorton would've said if the Rangers fell to 8th, which had a higher % of happening?

Also, there is no such thing as hockey gods..............




So you would have been happier if he said we didn't deserve this because we went all out down to the wire fine.. Your going to have to ask Gorton what he would have said pagan.


I wouldn't be happier about anything he would have or could have said... I just don't think he believes that because they played the right way they were rewarded with the 2nd overall. It was just luck, just like Chicago and NJ





Of course it has nothing to do with hockey gods, its shyt house luck. But if Gorton wants to pat the Rangers on the back for playing the right way good on him.
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Posted 2019-04-12 3:01 PM (#724398 - in reply to #724387)
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One thing to remember when you consider Kakko as center, is that his dominating performances at center come from U20 competition on ad-hoc national teams. When you have a player of Kakko's caliber and he's playing with smaller and less skilled teammates in, say, the WJC, you're going to want him at center because he'll likely have a greater impact on both sides of the ice than he would as a winger

When he plays in Liiga, with men, he's a winger. I think that's likely a better reference point for where he would play in the NHL , but as you said if we draft him I'm sure the coaching staff will try him at center if he's comfortable there, to see how he holds up at the NHL level. If he can/is comfortable playing center, that opens up a number of possibilities for the roster, as that also means you can try to convert another center who isn't cutting it at that position, to wing.






He will get his chance in the NHL because he will be one of the Rangers best centers. It has nothing to do with your perception excelling in the WJC is some kind of stigma, compared to playing in a Euro league. We had this discussion before regarding your insistence Chytil and more so the NHL ready Andersson were going to benefit playing mens Euro hockey and we are still waiting. Kakko is Kakko and he will make his own way. Quinn moves guys around looking for their best fit in his scheme of things. A center with Kakko's package would be a sight to behold, and I would not be at all suprised to see him locked in at number 2 out of camp next year.


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Posted 2019-04-12 6:36 PM (#724400 - in reply to #724397)
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Monday morning quarterbacking over what? He's telling it like it is and was. L. A. is quite right to say the hockey gods didn't shine on them. Gorton is thrilled he got the pick and is pointing out how happy they are they went about it the right way. its an obvious reference to some poor teams don't all go all out down the stretch. or is a smart GM talking out of his ass about nothing. Tanking happens all the time, its an art in and of itself. Going into a lottery with hope and higher odds created by finish is all you got, not sure who your referring to who goes into a draft with hope only. Makes it all the better when you go about it the right way, all the way down to playing the hottest goalie. Rangers could have improved their chances of losing by playing a subpar Lundqvist down the stretch and nobody would have said squat, they didn't, they played their best. Well done.


I hear what you're saying, but, I agree with Concust. What do you think Gorton would've said if the Rangers fell to 8th, which had a higher % of happening?

Also, there is no such thing as hockey gods..............




So you would have been happier if he said we didn't deserve this because we went all out down to the wire fine.. Your going to have to ask Gorton what he would have said pagan.


I wouldn't be happier about anything he would have or could have said... I just don't think he believes that because they played the right way they were rewarded with the 2nd overall. It was just luck, just like Chicago and NJ





Of course it has nothing to do with hockey gods, its shyt house luck. But if Gorton wants to pat the Rangers on the back for playing the right way good on him.


I'm with you, like I am most of the time. I don't mind Gorton patting the team on the back for playing hard at all. But,,,,he said they were rewarded with the second pick, I get what he's implying its just not fact.
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Monday morning quarterbacking over what? He's telling it like it is and was. L. A. is quite right to say the hockey gods didn't shine on them. Gorton is thrilled he got the pick and is pointing out how happy they are they went about it the right way. its an obvious reference to some poor teams don't all go all out down the stretch. or is a smart GM talking out of his ass about nothing. Tanking happens all the time, its an art in and of itself. Going into a lottery with hope and higher odds created by finish is all you got, not sure who your referring to who goes into a draft with hope only. Makes it all the better when you go about it the right way, all the way down to playing the hottest goalie. Rangers could have improved their chances of losing by playing a subpar Lundqvist down the stretch and nobody would have said squat, they didn't, they played their best. Well done.


I hear what you're saying, but, I agree with Concust. What do you think Gorton would've said if the Rangers fell to 8th, which had a higher % of happening?

Also, there is no such thing as hockey gods..............




So you would have been happier if he said we didn't deserve this because we went all out down to the wire fine.. Your going to have to ask Gorton what he would have said pagan.


I wouldn't be happier about anything he would have or could have said... I just don't think he believes that because they played the right way they were rewarded with the 2nd overall. It was just luck, just like Chicago and NJ





Of course it has nothing to do with hockey gods, its shyt house luck. But if Gorton wants to pat the Rangers on the back for playing the right way good on him.


I'm with you, like I am most of the time. I don't mind Gorton patting the team on the back for playing hard at all. But,,,,he said they were rewarded with the second pick, I get what he's implying its just not fact.





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Posted 2019-05-09 6:25 AM (#725449 - in reply to #722584)
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http://www.mynhldraft.com/NHL-Mock-Draft/

With the Conference Finals set, we now know that NYR have two 1st round picks in this year's draft....

Lot's of mock drafts out there, and almost all of them have us landing Kaapo Kakko at #2

So..... and let's not get TOO ahead of ourselves, but let's look ahead to what will be available at #20.

This site has exactly what I wanted to see.

Moritz Seider is the guy I would target and really hope is still available if/when NYR gets their second selection at the 20 spot

http://www.tankathon.com/nhl/mock_draft

And wouldn't you know it, this site has us grabbing him at 20, too

Here's his scouting report
https://lastwordonhockey.com/2019/04/22/moritz-seider-scouting-repor...

Looks like he'll be in the WC for Germany, so worth keeping an eye on if you plan on watching the tournament.... Kaapo will play for Finland, and of course USA has Jack Hughes, Adam Fox, Brady Skjei, and CK

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http://www.mynhldraft.com/NHL-Mock-Draft/

With the Conference Finals set, we now know that NYR have two 1st round picks in this year's draft....

Lot's of mock drafts out there, and almost all of them have us landing Kaapo Kakko at #2

So..... and let's not get TOO ahead of ourselves, but let's look ahead to what will be available at #20.

This site has exactly what I wanted to see.

Moritz Seider is the guy I would target and really hope is still available if/when NYR gets their second selection at the 20 spot

http://www.tankathon.com/nhl/mock_draft

And wouldn't you know it, this site has us grabbing him at 20, too

Here's his scouting report
https://lastwordonhockey.com/2019/04/22/moritz-seider-scouting-repor...

Looks like he'll be in the WC for Germany, so worth keeping an eye on if you plan on watching the tournament.... Kaapo will play for Finland, and of course USA has Jack Hughes, Adam Fox, Brady Skjei, and CK


They have Brogerg falling to 16... a couple more spots and he could be within reach.
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Posted 2019-05-09 7:32 AM (#725451 - in reply to #725450)
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No Euros or D men this year...we took care of that last year and have enough ....Draft very Forwards heavy this year
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Harley's the other defenseman I'd keep an eye on in that spot. My concern with Seider is less with the prospect and more with the league(s) he's played in so far. On the positive side he's playing in the top league in Germany (vs men), on the downside, it's not an elite pro level European league. It's typically not a good feeder to the NHL, and that's in large part because the quality of competition in these leagues can be pretty suspect. Even though arley is playing in the Juniors, there is a lot more familiarity and intel about his play, his team, his league and his performance than of Seider. He's just more of a risk based on where he plays right now.
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Posted 2019-05-09 7:49 AM (#725453 - in reply to #722584)
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Posted 2019-05-09 12:29 PM (#725459 - in reply to #722584)
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Steve Kournianos has a very good podcast thats strictly about prospects

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Posted 2019-05-09 3:07 PM (#725462 - in reply to #725450)
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http://www.mynhldraft.com/NHL-Mock-Draft/

With the Conference Finals set, we now know that NYR have two 1st round picks in this year's draft....

Lot's of mock drafts out there, and almost all of them have us landing Kaapo Kakko at #2

So..... and let's not get TOO ahead of ourselves, but let's look ahead to what will be available at #20.

This site has exactly what I wanted to see.

Moritz Seider is the guy I would target and really hope is still available if/when NYR gets their second selection at the 20 spot

http://www.tankathon.com/nhl/mock_draft

And wouldn't you know it, this site has us grabbing him at 20, too

Here's his scouting report
https://lastwordonhockey.com/2019/04/22/moritz-seider-scouting-repor...

Looks like he'll be in the WC for Germany, so worth keeping an eye on if you plan on watching the tournament.... Kaapo will play for Finland, and of course USA has Jack Hughes, Adam Fox, Brady Skjei, and CK


They have Brogerg falling to 16... a couple more spots and he could be within reach.


Not sure I wouldn't reach for a guy with the name Connor McMichael. It just sounds familiar
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Posted 2019-05-10 10:20 AM (#725475 - in reply to #722584)
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Kakko just had himself a game
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Posted 2019-05-10 11:29 AM (#725476 - in reply to #722584)
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#11 is not bad for a team that is rebuilding. THN is very positive on the Rangers future, they like what they are doing.

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Team USA about to play .....Ex Ranger Kreider on top line LW with Eichel and Keller Jack Hughes centering 3rd line between Kane and JVR Skjei on 2nd pair with Hannifin Quinn Hughes and Fox are 3rd pair
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BSU podcast referred to a Kreider interview recently that in their words "definitely pissed the FO off"...I have not seen the interview
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Kid is the goods

I really hope NJD take Hughes
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Kid is the goods

I really hope NJD take Hughes

Me too!
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Posted 2019-05-10 7:28 PM (#725495 - in reply to #722584)
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Hmm, there are now people saying he may go #1. It will be a close call, no way of telling who goes #1 right now.
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Posted 2019-05-11 2:45 PM (#725498 - in reply to #722584)
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Another ridiculous game today by Kakko. Some great goals. Strength and speed. I think we are getting Hughes, and that's okay to me. Both will be studs, but Kakko looks unreal. The worst place to be is # 3 missing out on these two studs. Right now I think the Devs take Kakko.


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Posted 2019-05-11 5:34 PM (#725500 - in reply to #722584)
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One thing to remember...This Tournament means absolutely everything to the Euro teams...compete level etc... is through the roof. Also Kakko is playing on the larger ice surface...game is faster on the NHL ice surface
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Quinn # 1 - 2019-05-11 10:45 PM

Another ridiculous game today by Kakko. Some great goals. Strength and speed. I think we are getting Hughes, and that's okay to me. Both will be studs, but Kakko looks unreal. The worst place to be is # 3 missing out on these two studs. Right now I think the Devs take Kakko.



World Championships are an inferior tournament. And I'm saying this as a European who used to watch them every year in full.

Kakko has been playing against men already, knows the wider rink, plays on the top line. In this tournament, he's holding all the cards compared to Hughes.
No way take the Devil's this little tournament as a decisive factor.

Plus there's a lot more to picking a no 1 pick if it's this close.
Lots of background checks and other non public information coming into play.
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Posted 2019-05-12 1:08 PM (#725513 - in reply to #722584)
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You always take the center unless the wing is an Ovechkin type. I hope the Devils are dumb and take Kakko. You win cups with center depth. If Hughes slipped to us it would allow us to not use Kravtsov, Chytil or Andersson at center which I'm a big fan off. Howden is the natural center of that group. Hughes will also make his wings better as he fills out. Kakko will make great plays no doubt. However, either Kravtsov, Chytil and Andersson will have to take second center role. I'm not confident in any of them to do that. I think Kravtsov is a pretty good lock to be a top line wing. Not sure about a center. What I'd love to see is them package a Pionk with a Chytil and the Jets pick to go get a Cozens. That's the kind of guy that will fit in perfectly with Quinn.
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Posted 2019-05-12 1:13 PM (#725514 - in reply to #722584)
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Those fancy stick handling moves by Kakko ain't working in the NHL for long. Especially when they start cross checking you in the back of the head a few times.
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Also take into account...larger ice surface ...and these teams are terrible...USA vs Finland tomorrow 10:15 AM
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Posted 2019-05-12 2:10 PM (#725518 - in reply to #722584)
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At days end the odds are the Devs take Hughes. With that said this is very close, and Kakko has played against men for a while now. Downplaying what he has done in Finland, or in the Worlds through two games, I think is faulty. He has been pretty dominating for two games, and at worst was very good this season as an 18 year old against men.




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Fair points but I ask....How good are the Finnish Men that are not good enough to play over here?
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Posted 2019-05-12 2:42 PM (#725520 - in reply to #722584)
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It's probably the 5th or so best league in the world he plays in. Not bad doing the things he has done as an 18 year old. His comp has been better than Hughes' comp though, that's for sure.

People get caught up in comparing. To me I think both will be studs, so adding either one is a huge win.


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Posted 2019-05-12 3:05 PM (#725522 - in reply to #722584)
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Getting Hughes would make life a lot easier. Put Kravtsov and Andersson on wing.
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Posted 2019-05-13 3:33 AM (#725534 - in reply to #722584)
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Was watching some Hughes highlights. He knows how to find all the lanes, buy time to make the passes when he enters the zone. He needs to fill out his frame quite a bit. However, he will make his wings a lot better. I though Zibanejad finally started doing that this year. I have high hopes for Howden. He had a pretty good rookie season for a player so young. That long, goal drought got in his head a little that happens to a lot of players that young.
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Posted 2019-05-21 6:40 PM (#725735 - in reply to #722584)
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Posted 2019-05-22 7:32 AM (#725762 - in reply to #722584)
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People have preferences for Kakko or Hughes, but whats important is the Rangers will get one of them. Kakko more of a sure thing at present, and more NHL ready, Quinn will be asked to take a huge step if he "makes" a NHL team next season. Brace yourselves for the thought Hughes might need some more seasoning somewhere next year based on his underwhelming WC performance against men. You want that kid to hit the NHL running, not struggling to find his way. But he'd still be the best prospect to join the Rangers organization in a long long time. Going to be good watching all this unfold with the Rangers in the middle of it for a change.
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Rranger - 2019-05-22 8:32 AM

People have preferences for Kakko or Hughes, but whats important is the Rangers will get one of them. Kakko more of a sure thing at present, and more NHL ready, Quinn will be asked to take a huge step if he "makes" a NHL team next season. Brace yourselves for the thought Hughes might need some more seasoning somewhere next year based on his underwhelming WC performance against men. You want that kid to hit the NHL running, not struggling to find his way. But he'd still be the best prospect to join the Rangers organization in a long long time. Going to be good watching all this unfold with the Rangers in the middle of it for a change.


It's Jack Hughes, Quinn Hughes is his brother and plays for the Canucks.

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Posted 2019-05-22 10:24 AM (#725769 - in reply to #722584)
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Posted 2019-05-22 12:28 PM (#725770 - in reply to #722584)
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Rranger - 2019-05-22 8:32 AM

People have preferences for Kakko or Hughes, but whats important is the Rangers will get one of them. Kakko more of a sure thing at present, and more NHL ready, Quinn will be asked to take a huge step if he "makes" a NHL team next season. Brace yourselves for the thought Hughes might need some more seasoning somewhere next year based on his underwhelming WC performance against men. You want that kid to hit the NHL running, not struggling to find his way. But he'd still be the best prospect to join the Rangers organization in a long long time. Going to be good watching all this unfold with the Rangers in the middle of it for a change.


It's Jack Hughes, Quinn Hughes is his brother and plays for the Canucks.





Thank you typo corrections are always nice. For some reason stuck on Quinn as their last name. . Jack may need seasoning. He is not even close to where his brother Quinn was physically and mentally when he made his debut with the Canucks
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Posted 2019-05-22 2:09 PM (#725772 - in reply to #722584)
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Posted 2019-05-22 3:37 PM (#725773 - in reply to #725771)
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People have preferences for Kakko or Hughes, but whats important is the Rangers will get one of them. Kakko more of a sure thing at present, and more NHL ready, Quinn will be asked to take a huge step if he "makes" a NHL team next season. Brace yourselves for the thought Hughes might need some more seasoning somewhere next year based on his underwhelming WC performance against men. You want that kid to hit the NHL running, not struggling to find his way. But he'd still be the best prospect to join the Rangers organization in a long long time. Going to be good watching all this unfold with the Rangers in the middle of it for a change.


It's Jack Hughes, Quinn Hughes is his brother and plays for the Canucks.





Thank you typo corrections are always nice. For some reason stuck on Quinn as their last name. . Jack may need seasoning. He is not even close to where his brother Quinn was physically and mentally when he made his debut with the Canucks


I think he will absolutely need seasoning, he needs to get a little bigger while maintaining his speed and skating ability. I think his decision making is top level but the NHL regular season is a grind, and I fully expect both to taper off past the all star break since they are not used to the mental schedule of an 82 game season. Quinn I think got a boost coming out of college last year because for a while these NCAA guys run on adrenaline because they just made "the show". We'll see how well they hold up to a full NHL season. Same applies for Makar, Fox, etc.

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Posted 2019-05-22 6:13 PM (#725774 - in reply to #725773)
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People have preferences for Kakko or Hughes, but whats important is the Rangers will get one of them. Kakko more of a sure thing at present, and more NHL ready, Quinn will be asked to take a huge step if he "makes" a NHL team next season. Brace yourselves for the thought Hughes might need some more seasoning somewhere next year based on his underwhelming WC performance against men. You want that kid to hit the NHL running, not struggling to find his way. But he'd still be the best prospect to join the Rangers organization in a long long time. Going to be good watching all this unfold with the Rangers in the middle of it for a change.


It's Jack Hughes, Quinn Hughes is his brother and plays for the Canucks.





Thank you typo corrections are always nice. For some reason stuck on Quinn as their last name. . Jack may need seasoning. He is not even close to where his brother Quinn was physically and mentally when he made his debut with the Canucks


I think he will absolutely need seasoning, he needs to get a little bigger while maintaining his speed and skating ability. I think his decision making is top level but the NHL regular season is a grind, and I fully expect both to taper off past the all star break since they are not used to the mental schedule of an 82 game season. Quinn I think got a boost coming out of college last year because for a while these NCAA guys run on adrenaline because they just made "the show". We'll see how well they hold up to a full NHL season. Same applies for Makar, Fox, etc.





Any player coming into the league needs to adapt mostly to the day to day rigors which catch up to a lot of young olayers after Christmas mid January or so. Which is different than Jack needing seasoning to have a Impact at any point in the season. His issue will not be burn out after Christms it will be is he ready period. And if he's not the Rangers better be smarter than they were with Chytil and in particular Andersson last season. Neither one of whom showed much growth to lead one to believe they will be much better this year. Although in fairness Chytil had a few moments of evidence of some good upside. Andersson really didn't do much of anything. Andersson again not exactly lighting up the AHL either. And there was no opportunity lacking in Hartford or New York, good ready players find their game, neither one of them did.

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Posted 2019-05-23 6:51 AM (#725776 - in reply to #725514)
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Those fancy stick handling moves by Kakko ain't working in the NHL for long. Especially when they start cross checking you in the back of the head a few times.


He beats Montour of Buffalo and Chabot of Ottawa on that breakaway for his 1st goal.... both NHL defensemen, but.....

Did you see him vs USA? Did you watch that OT??? He was real impressive maintaining possession against Ryan Suter... one of the best defenders in the world. Suter was NOT easy on him. Most would've been out matched.... Hughes would've been out matched....

He's facing a lot of NHL talent here... there's no doubt in my mind that what you see is what you get here. He's ready for a top 6 role on any team in the league TODAY.... Hughes is not. Hughes, maybe gets the 2nd line on this team or NJD, but that's questionable.

Hughes will adapt, though.

USA had him on the 3rd line C to start... he did ok, but was sheltered.... they moved him to play with Eichel, probably given the instruction to emulate him.... and after that sat him out.... not as punishment... not because he's not talented enough.... but to watch, and learn. Don't be surprised if he's back in the lineup for USA. As a center.

Hughes WILL be a legit #1 C in the NHL.... that's what you're guaranteed. Devils would be smart to go for the 1-2 punch with Hughes and Hischier


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Posted 2019-05-23 8:19 AM (#725777 - in reply to #722584)
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Hughes may be the most agile player in the world. His combination of speed, skating, hands, and vision are off the charts.

I still want Kakko, but the more I see of Hughes, the more I see the hype
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Posted 2019-05-23 9:23 AM (#725778 - in reply to #725777)
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Hughes may be the most agile player in the world. His combination of speed, skating, hands, and vision are off the charts.

I still want Kakko, but the more I see of Hughes, the more I see the hype


He has McDavid-like ability when he's skating with the puck. The question is if he'll be able to find the open ice and time to make the most use of that skill in the NHL. He used to be able to just blow past guys, and he's not going to be able to do that as much in the NHL. He's been the consensus #1 for 3 years for good reason.
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Posted 2019-05-23 10:17 AM (#725779 - in reply to #722584)
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This USA-Russia game has been very good. Hughes has been one of the US' better forwards all game after sitting out the last one. Two steals that led directly to goals. He's a shifty little kid. Second goal being challenged now but I think it should hold up.
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Posted 2019-05-23 10:21 AM (#725780 - in reply to #722584)
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Goal stands but US gets called for a phantom offside. Officiating has dropped to NHL levels!
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Posted 2019-05-23 10:33 AM (#725781 - in reply to #722584)
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WHOOOOOAAAA Nellie... Canada about to lose to Switzerland, and they score with about 0 on the clock... going to replay.
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Posted 2019-05-23 10:33 AM (#725782 - in reply to #722584)
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Wow that's a goal. Canada scores with 0.3 remaining to tie it up.
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Posted 2019-05-23 10:48 AM (#725784 - in reply to #722584)
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Mark Stone wins it in OT. That sucks. Switzerland was 0.3 seconds away from the biggest upset in their nation's history (probably)

Kakko and some other guys play Sweden this afternoon.
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Posted 2019-05-23 11:32 AM (#725788 - in reply to #722584)
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Mark Stone wins it in OT. That sucks. Switzerland was 0.3 seconds away from the biggest upset in their nation's history (probably)

Kakko and some other guys play Sweden this afternoon.

Totally
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Posted 2019-05-23 12:18 PM (#725790 - in reply to #722584)
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Kakko's line scores on the first shot of the game. I don't think Kakko figured in the scoring directly but he had a subtle little interference play on OEL to open up a lane.
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Posted 2019-05-23 1:30 PM (#725791 - in reply to #722584)
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Sweden-Finland tied at 3 late second. Kakko has been pretty quiet. All 3 Finn goals have been longer shots that were screens or deflections. Overall Sweden really setting the pace, as they should as they are the superior team on paper. Swedes can just control the game on this ice surface it's very impressive.
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Posted 2019-05-23 2:04 PM (#725792 - in reply to #722584)
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Finns getting better pressure late in the third, Kakko has had a couple of "good looks" but I don't think they were on goal.
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Posted 2019-05-23 2:22 PM (#725793 - in reply to #722584)
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Finland scores in the final minute to tie the game, being challenged for offside. It looks good to me on the replay.
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Posted 2019-05-23 2:23 PM (#725794 - in reply to #722584)
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Posted 2019-05-23 2:24 PM (#725795 - in reply to #722584)
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Kakko hasnt done much since early part of the tournament
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Posted 2019-05-23 2:32 PM (#725796 - in reply to #722584)
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Posted 2019-05-23 2:37 PM (#725797 - in reply to #722584)
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Last goal given up was on Hank for sure. Clear sight shot, I don't think it was tipped, definitely should have had it. The other goals were all tips and screens. That tying goal he made 3 stops before his own defenseman ran into him and helped knock the puck in. So you can't really put that on him.
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Posted 2019-05-23 2:39 PM (#725798 - in reply to #725795)
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Kakko hasnt done much since early part of the tournament


He's been quiet for a few games now. But we'll get to see him play again at least once. Just like I said a good tournament isn't really going to positively affect his draft ranking, a bad tournament isn't going to negatively affect him either.

RUS/FIN in the next round.
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Posted 2019-05-23 3:15 PM (#725799 - in reply to #722584)
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Posted 2019-05-23 5:03 PM (#725801 - in reply to #722584)
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Jersey knows who they are drafting before the tournament. The Rangers and Gorton are in a excellent position. Literally a slam dunk criticism free choice for Gorton and J.D. No one will criticize them for picking the guy that's left and 99.999% of the prognosticators will be all over them if they don't pick the guy that's left. All the pressure is on Jersey. A great position indeed picking second out of two players that no one will know who's the better for probably at least five years.

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Posted 2019-05-23 7:40 PM (#725802 - in reply to #722584)
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Im going on the record...I want Hughes
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Posted 2019-05-23 7:44 PM (#725803 - in reply to #725798)
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Kakko hasnt done much since early part of the tournament


He's been quiet for a few games now. But we'll get to see him play again at least once. Just like I said a good tournament isn't really going to positively affect his draft ranking, a bad tournament isn't going to negatively affect him either.

RUS/FIN in the next round.


He hasn't scored, but he's noticeable every shift.
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Im going on the record...I want Hughes




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Im going on the record...I want Hughes






I'll take Kakko as a RW and trade Fast to the Flyers. I'm sure AV would take him in a heartbeat.
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Posted 2019-05-24 11:10 AM (#725809 - in reply to #722584)
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Let's hope Kakko has a monster game tomorrow vs USSR
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Posted 2019-05-24 11:27 AM (#725810 - in reply to #722584)
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The more i watch Hughes the more I think he ends up as a winger. His game seems to fit the mold of an NHL winger much more than it does of a center.

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Posted 2019-05-24 12:00 PM (#725812 - in reply to #722584)
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It is out of the Rangers hands as the Devs pick 1st. I agree with some one who posted a few days ago the Rangers are in a good situation picking 2nd. They get the leftovers. This is not a Crosby, McDavid situation. You pray for #1 pick. Those come around once every 10-15 years. And, you loose out picking 2nd. This is a Ovie, Malkin draft situation. Who will be better, impossible to tell, to know. The pressure is on the Devs to pick the better player. The Rangers can always say we were picking 2nd, we picked what we were supposed to pick. I like their situation, glad Devs won the lotto.
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Posted 2019-05-25 8:32 AM (#725816 - in reply to #722584)
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USSR and Finland in a grudge match 0-0 late 2nd
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Posted 2019-05-26 12:17 PM (#725829 - in reply to #725816)
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USSR and Finland in a grudge match 0-0 late 2nd



WTF just started here.
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Posted 2019-05-26 12:37 PM (#725830 - in reply to #722584)
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Finland balloon will pop today...I have no idea how they got to the Gold Medal game...They are hardly the most talented...Lets hope Kakko has a great game
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Finland balloon will pop today...I have no idea how they got to the Gold Medal game...They are hardly the most talented...Lets hope Kakko has a great game





Go Canada
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Posted 2019-05-26 12:53 PM (#725833 - in reply to #722584)
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I hate this gay pushing and shoving these so called tough nhl players are doing. Pussy hockey at its finest.
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Posted 2019-05-26 1:17 PM (#725834 - in reply to #722584)
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Canada looking confused and disorganized must be catching on to cheweys coaching.

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Canada looking confused and disorganized must be catching on to cheweys coaching.

hahaha totally
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Chewy comes up short. Canadians have no business losing this game.
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Posted 2019-05-26 2:28 PM (#725839 - in reply to #722584)
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Totally...Haha Flyers you got him now





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Posted 2019-05-27 5:56 AM (#725848 - in reply to #722584)
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They are about to become the flygirls! :-)
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Posted 2019-06-08 9:34 AM (#725969 - in reply to #722584)
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THN has Rangers picking Kaapo & they say he has smarts, size, creativity, a force 1 day. They have Devs picking the American kid for sure. They have #20 Suzuki (skill & hockey sense IQ). They also love the progress of the Rangers rebuild, say will be a really good team when it all comes together.
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THN has Rangers picking Kaapo & they say he has smarts, size, creativity, a force 1 day. They have Devs picking the American kid for sure. They have #20 Suzuki (skill & hockey sense IQ). They also love the progress of the Rangers rebuild, say will be a really good team when it all comes together.




Rangers got a good start and then lucked out moving up to number two in the draft. Either Hughes or Kakko should be a game changer. When you are bringing in Kravstov, Andersson, Chytil and one of the afore mentioned that's a load of talent a level at which I'm not sure the Rangers have ever brought in at one time. It's going to be exciting and interesting watching their climb.




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Go read Pronmans write ups on Zegras Turcotte and Kakko......Tell me there shouldnt be doubt about the #2 pick...IF NJ takes Hughes. I think I take Zegras today
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Go read Pronmans write ups on Zegras Turcotte and Kakko......Tell me there shouldnt be doubt about the #2 pick...IF NJ takes Hughes. I think I take Zegras today


Go back to bed Mikey.
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Mikey Red - 2019-06-10 8:11 AM

Go read Pronmans write ups on Zegras Turcotte and Kakko......Tell me there shouldnt be doubt about the #2 pick...IF NJ takes Hughes. I think I take Zegras today


Go back to bed Mikey.

Lol too late...Pronaman calls Zegras and Turcotte first line NHL centers
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I remember an article Pronman wrote not too long ago making a case for Kakko going #1 overall.... I think it was just before the display he put on at the WC, too.

Every single scout and hockey writer describes Hughes and Kakko "in a class of their own."

And from what I've seen and read Bowen Byram is the next best available.... tgat the only reason Byram would fall past 3 is if Chicago (and the Avs) pick more on team need, as they both already have a stocked defense core in their system....

Both Turcotte and Zegras are good players, but Kakko is the most NHL ready... not just ready to play like Lias was, but ready to make an impact.

Zegras is going to play in BU next season.....

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That said, as we get closer to draft day, everyone seems more and more confident that Hughes is undoubtedly going #1

And to me it's not because he's the better player, or even projected to be.... it boils down to he's an American kid that has been hyped and has the privilege of being in the elite hockey circles for so long.

I honestly think Kakko is the best player and will continue to be the best player as time goes on. We're going to be lucky enough to draft him at #2, and every single Rangers fan should be over the moon about this fact.

He has the potential to be the best
player this organization has ever drafted.... try to let that sink in.... Certainly the best forward
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Could be interesting.....If I can't get Hughes...but can get a sure fired 1st line NHL center...hmmm ...swap with the Avs 4 and get sweeteners? 4 16 20 would be nice
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Updated the list to factor in Nutivaara. Thanks to @LucasDenny for pointing it out. The good news for is Columbus is that the Jackets are no longer in the red. The bad news is that the Rangers since 2014 still suck at drafting in later rounds.
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I was told that Tampa's later-round hits were just "luck", and that the NYR aren't all that bad drafting between Rounds 3-7 compared to everyone else.

Well, wrong. Since 2014-17, Tampa's the best at gettting NHL games from its 3rd to 7th rounders; NYR one of the worst
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Zegras would be a good target if we didn't win the lottery and were drafting 9. Not at 2.

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Interesting stuff with Chicago at No. 3. Bowman is in a good position to be in, but there are two major questions he's probably asking himself:

Will I ever get another chance to draft a Bowen Byram?

or

Will I ever get another chance to draft a Trevor Zegras or Alex Turcotte?
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I was told that Tampa's later-round hits were just "luck", and that the NYR aren't all that bad drafting between Rounds 3-7 compared to everyone else.

Well, wrong. Since 2014-17, Tampa's the best at getting NHL games from its 3rd to 7th rounders; NYR one of the worst


Hmmmm I wonder why they used 2014 as the cutoff? Go back one more year and 2013 NYR draftees play an additional 494 NHL games from rounds 3-7. (Buchnevich, Duclair, Graves, Skapski) That don't fit their narrative though.
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I was told that Tampa's later-round hits were just "luck", and that the NYR aren't all that bad drafting between Rounds 3-7 compared to everyone else.

Well, wrong. Since 2014-17, Tampa's the best at getting NHL games from its 3rd to 7th rounders; NYR one of the worst


Hmmmm I wonder why they used 2014 as the cutoff? Go back one more year and 2013 NYR draftees play an additional 494 NHL games from rounds 3-7. (Buchnevich, Duclair, Graves, Skapski) That don't fit their narrative though.

Dont know...just stumbled upon it
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All seem promising.... but uuuuuh 2014's 118 overall pick Igor Shestyorkin is on his way....


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Ty Ronning
Gabriel Fontaine
Tim Gettinger
Tarmo Reunanen
Jacob Ragnarsson
Joey Keane
Nico Gross
Lauri Pajuniemi

All seem promising.... but uuuuuh 2014's 118 overall pick Igor Shestyorkin is on his way....

There is hope there but nothing is guaranteed
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Ronning Fontaine and Gettinger are probably never will be's. I have a lot of hope for Keane
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I'm just not sure how anyone can say that we're the worst when there's that many guys that could still pan out is all
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There's maybe 2 guys from rob's list that will be NHL'ers.

2014-17 is a weird time range to consider, especially for later rounders, who are less likely to jump right into nhl action. Also it's a 4 year range for some reason? The latest draft that I'd use if I wanted meaningful information is 2015. That gives any prospects drafted, 3 years to get to the NHL (and a playing year). Expecting a late round pick from 2017 to jump into the NHL is dumb. Why would you use this date range. Makes no sense. (Unless you're cherry picking stats)
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2014 to 2017 TB has drafted ADA Point Cirelli Joseph Howden Hajek...2013 Drouin Rangers have drafted 2014 Halverson 2015 goose egg 2016 Gettinger 2017 Lias and Heatl....There is no comparison there thats awful.
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Ty Ronning
Gabriel Fontaine
Tim Gettinger
Tarmo Reunanen
Jacob Ragnarsson
Joey Keane
Nico Gross
Lauri Pajuniemi

All seem promising.... but uuuuuh 2014's 118 overall pick Igor Shestyorkin is on his way....

There is hope there but nothing is guaranteed







They all got a long ways to go. Reunannen probably has the best shot.
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Gettinger put in some reps in the NHL this year. Joey Keane and Nico Gross seem ready to take the next step into the pros. Lauri Pajuniemi played on the same team as Kakko in Finland
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2014 to 2017 TB has drafted ADA Point Cirelli Joseph Howden Hajek...2013 Drouin Rangers have drafted 2014 Halverson 2015 goose egg 2016 Gettinger 2017 Lias and Heatl....There is no comparison there thats awful.


2013 rounds 3-7

Rangers 4 picks, 494 NHL games
TBL 4 picks, 27 NHL games

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Forgot to mention that only 1 of those 2103 picks are still with the Rangers..........
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Forgot to mention that only 1 of those 2103 picks are still with the Rangers..........


That was not a criteria for either team.
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2014 to 2017 TB has drafted ADA Point Cirelli Joseph Howden Hajek...2013 Drouin Rangers have drafted 2014 Halverson 2015 goose egg 2016 Gettinger 2017 Lias and Heatl....There is no comparison there thats awful.


2013 rounds 3-7

Rangers 4 picks, 494 NHL games
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ThAtS jUsT aWfuL hOw dOEs gOrdiE HaVe a jOB

2014 Point 3rd rounder 229 games 2015 Cirelli 3rd rounder 100 games ... Joseph 4th rounder 72 games ....Hoo ray! Gordie picked Buch Duclair Graves and Skapski in 2013...one of his few success stories if you want to call it that....what about 14 15 16? Yes Gordie is doing a bang up job....Much rather have who we picked over Point Cirelli and Joseph....
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The criteria was ...since 2014 -2017
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14 15 16 our entire drafts are an 0 for...horrendous
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Forgot to mention that only 1 of those 2103 picks are still with the Rangers..........
and he is no lock to be here next season either
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Gordies 2 moments in the Sun are 2005 and 2008


2008 was the first draft that Clark ran as Director of Player Personnel.

If I had to grade Clark based on what he's had to work with (all those 1st round picks traded in consideration), and how the rest of the league has fared, I'd give him a C. Not terrible, but not great. Not good enough IMO.

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Mikey Red - 2019-06-11 11:59 AM

Gordies 2 moments in the Sun are 2005 and 2008


2008 was the first draft that Clark ran as Director of Player Personnel.

If I had to grade Clark based on what he's had to work with (all those 1st round picks traded in consideration), and how the rest of the league has fared, I'd give him a C. Not terrible, but not great. Not good enough IMO.


Gordie started in 2005. Marc Staal was his first pick
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Biggest failure with Gordie is how many bad misses he has had on the 1's 2006 Sanguinetti...next pick was Claude Giroux ...2007 we will never know about Chrepanov but he could of picked Nash Paccioretty Perron or Backlund 2008 Del Zotto instead of Eberle or Carlson....2010 awful pick Mclrath...missed Fowler Schwartz Tarasenko Watson Bjugstad Sheahan Kuznetzov Coyle Nelson ....2011 JTM is nothing special....missed 5 guys ...Gordie should have been fired by now. Lias was a terrible pick.....2018 we shall see
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2018 we shall see


The guy we should have taken was Dobson. He was named Most Valuable Player of the 2018-19 QMJHL playoffs, and went on to win the Memorial Cup with Rouyn. Another sure bet we passed on, taken by the Fishies, and in 20 years from now, I fear we will be chanting Dobson sucks.

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Mikey Red - 2019-06-11 11:59 AM

Gordies 2 moments in the Sun are 2005 and 2008


2008 was the first draft that Clark ran as Director of Player Personnel.

If I had to grade Clark based on what he's had to work with (all those 1st round picks traded in consideration), and how the rest of the league has fared, I'd give him a C. Not terrible, but not great. Not good enough IMO.


Gordie started in 2005. Marc Staal was his first pick


Not so sure about that. Prior to 2008, Gordie was only the Head Amateur Scout. Don Maloney was running the draft.

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2018 we shall see


The guy we should have taken was Dobson. He was named Most Valuable Player of the 2018-19 QMJHL playoffs, and went on to win the Memorial Cup with Rouyn. Another sure bet we passed on, taken by the Fishies, and in 20 years from now, I fear we will be chanting Dobson sucks.


Lol Kravstov better make us forget him
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Mikey Red - 2019-06-11 11:59 AM

Gordies 2 moments in the Sun are 2005 and 2008


2008 was the first draft that Clark ran as Director of Player Personnel.

If I had to grade Clark based on what he's had to work with (all those 1st round picks traded in consideration), and how the rest of the league has fared, I'd give him a C. Not terrible, but not great. Not good enough IMO.


Gordie started in 2005. Marc Staal was his first pick


Not so sure about that. Prior to 2008, Gordie was only the Head Amateur Scout. Don Maloney was running the draft.


https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1230187-ny-rangers-chris-kreider...
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Mikey Red - 2019-06-11 1:12 PM

Biggest failure with Gordie is how many bad misses he has had on the 1's 2006 Sanguinetti...next pick was Claude Giroux ...2007 we will never know about Chrepanov but he could of picked Nash Paccioretty Perron or Backlund 2008 Del Zotto instead of Eberle or Carlson....2010 awful pick Mclrath...missed Fowler Schwartz Tarasenko Watson Bjugstad Sheahan Kuznetzov Coyle Nelson ....2011 JTM is nothing special....missed 5 guys ...Gordie should have been fired by now. Lias was a terrible pick.....2018 we shall see


Unless you were in the draft room and know otherwise, those picks are all on Sather. He had the final say.
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Biggest failure with Gordie is how many bad misses he has had on the 1's 2006 Sanguinetti...next pick was Claude Giroux ...2007 we will never know about Chrepanov but he could of picked Nash Paccioretty Perron or Backlund 2008 Del Zotto instead of Eberle or Carlson....2010 awful pick Mclrath...missed Fowler Schwartz Tarasenko Watson Bjugstad Sheahan Kuznetzov Coyle Nelson ....2011 JTM is nothing special....missed 5 guys ...Gordie should have been fired by now. Lias was a terrible pick.....2018 we shall see


Unless you were in the draft room and know otherwise, those picks are all on Sather. He had the final say.

No Sir my friend....Gordie has absolutely had the final say all the way up to the mic. I hope with JD here now he gets fired
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Biggest failure with Gordie is how many bad misses he has had on the 1's 2006 Sanguinetti...next pick was Claude Giroux ...2007 we will never know about Chrepanov but he could of picked Nash Paccioretty Perron or Backlund 2008 Del Zotto instead of Eberle or Carlson....2010 awful pick Mclrath...missed Fowler Schwartz Tarasenko Watson Bjugstad Sheahan Kuznetzov Coyle Nelson ....2011 JTM is nothing special....missed 5 guys ...Gordie should have been fired by now. Lias was a terrible pick.....2018 we shall see


Unless you were in the draft room and know otherwise, those picks are all on Sather. He had the final say.


Sort of... Sather ultimately has veto power but the whole point of having an entire staff of amateur scouts is so one guy doesn't have to know/do everything. If your head scout says to draft Joe Blow in the first round, either you veto that pick because you're an egomaniac or you make the pick because you trust the people you hired.

Every team can point to "misses" and "you could have had XXX player 2 picks later" but that's hindsight. When you look at the longer term trends and weight by draft position, Rangers picks turn out ok. Not the best, hardly the worst.

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Mikey Red - 2019-06-11 1:12 PM

Biggest failure with Gordie is how many bad misses he has had on the 1's 2006 Sanguinetti...next pick was Claude Giroux ...2007 we will never know about Chrepanov but he could of picked Nash Paccioretty Perron or Backlund 2008 Del Zotto instead of Eberle or Carlson....2010 awful pick Mclrath...missed Fowler Schwartz Tarasenko Watson Bjugstad Sheahan Kuznetzov Coyle Nelson ....2011 JTM is nothing special....missed 5 guys ...Gordie should have been fired by now. Lias was a terrible pick.....2018 we shall see


Unless you were in the draft room and know otherwise, those picks are all on Sather. He had the final say.

No Sir my friend....Gordie has absolutely had the final say all the way up to the mic. I hope with JD here now he gets fired


I like the direction of this team & the direction this team is taking so does THN. This team will be force for years to come in 2-3 years, not next season, but 2-3.
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