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Posted 2019-10-23 7:11 AM (#728912)
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Couldn't find a thread on him, but we're clearly going to want to keep an eye on him because so far he has picked up where he left off in Russia.

Only 3 games under his belt, but he's undefeated with a 1.34 GAA and a .952 sv% including a 36 save shutout

The Pack have back to back games Friday and Saturday, so we'll see what the weekend brings.

At some point a decision is going to have to be made. One of Lundqvist or Georgiev has got to go.... because Igor is coming....

Both Henk and Georgie have been good.... either one should bring back a solid return. There's no rush, but as expected, this is a developing story this season
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Posted 2019-10-23 7:34 AM (#728917 - in reply to #728912)
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Lundqvist would be the obvious choice to go. He has the least long term value on the ice to the Rangers going forward. Georgiev is a intriguing guy showing all the signs of being a capable starter. The Rangers have a lot of deserved confidence in Shestorokin and deservedly so, but prudence suggests hanging onto Georgiev and let those two duke it out in the NHL..
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Posted 2019-10-23 7:55 AM (#728918 - in reply to #728917)
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Rranger - 2019-10-23 9:34 AM

Lundqvist would be the obvious choice to go. He has the least long term value on the ice to the Rangers going forward. Georgiev is a intriguing guy showing all the signs of being a capable starter. The Rangers have a lot of deserved confidence in Shestorokin and deservedly so, but prudence suggests hanging onto Georgiev and let those two duke it out in the NHL..


Hank will not leave. So far, he seems to value his NY Rangers legacy more than the opportunity to win a cup. I wonder if the Rangers asked him if he wanted leave after last season's mess. This season has a very slim chance for the playoffs and no chance for a cup. Is Hank hopeful about next season? Georgiev looks like a full time NHL goalie so far. If Shestorkin is the real deal, the unfortunate answer would be to trade Georgiev. Doing that before Shestorkin gets here is a risky move.
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Posted 2019-10-23 8:03 AM (#728919 - in reply to #728918)
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Rranger - 2019-10-23 9:34 AM

Lundqvist would be the obvious choice to go. He has the least long term value on the ice to the Rangers going forward. Georgiev is a intriguing guy showing all the signs of being a capable starter. The Rangers have a lot of deserved confidence in Shestorokin and deservedly so, but prudence suggests hanging onto Georgiev and let those two duke it out in the NHL..


Hank will not leave. So far, he seems to value his NY Rangers legacy more than the opportunity to win a cup. I wonder if the Rangers asked him if he wanted leave after last season's mess. This season has a very slim chance for the playoffs and no chance for a cup. Is Hank hopeful about next season? Georgiev looks like a full time NHL goalie so far. If Shestorkin is the real deal, the unfortunate answer would be to trade Georgiev. Doing that before Shestorkin gets here is a risky move.




It would take a hell of a enticement to get Lundqvist to move. And I think the biggest issue is how many teams contending for a CUP, would realistically believe he's going to provide the type of goaltending to win a Cup at this stage of his career. It's probably not a very big list, and he's probably not a upgrade at this stage. An injury to a contenders starter would probably provide the cap room, opportunity, and possibly the persuasion Lundqvist would need. And then it would be on him.
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Posted 2019-10-23 8:10 AM (#728920 - in reply to #728919)
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Rranger - 2019-10-23 9:34 AM

Lundqvist would be the obvious choice to go. He has the least long term value on the ice to the Rangers going forward. Georgiev is a intriguing guy showing all the signs of being a capable starter. The Rangers have a lot of deserved confidence in Shestorokin and deservedly so, but prudence suggests hanging onto Georgiev and let those two duke it out in the NHL..


Hank will not leave. So far, he seems to value his NY Rangers legacy more than the opportunity to win a cup. I wonder if the Rangers asked him if he wanted leave after last season's mess. This season has a very slim chance for the playoffs and no chance for a cup. Is Hank hopeful about next season? Georgiev looks like a full time NHL goalie so far. If Shestorkin is the real deal, the unfortunate answer would be to trade Georgiev. Doing that before Shestorkin gets here is a risky move.




It would take a hell of a enticement to get Lundqvist to move. And I think the biggest issue is how many teams contending for a CUP, would realistically believe he's going to provide the type of goaltending to win a Cup at this stage of his career. It's probably not a very big list, and he's probably not a upgrade at this stage. An injury to a contenders starter would probably provide the cap room, opportunity, and possibly the persuasion Lundqvist would need. And then it would be on him.


Eat half his salary and send him to San Jose. Their goaltending is awful again and keeps costing them. Even on his last legs Lundqvist is better than Jones.
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Posted 2019-10-23 8:27 AM (#728922 - in reply to #728920)
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Rranger - 2019-10-23 9:34 AM

Lundqvist would be the obvious choice to go. He has the least long term value on the ice to the Rangers going forward. Georgiev is a intriguing guy showing all the signs of being a capable starter. The Rangers have a lot of deserved confidence in Shestorokin and deservedly so, but prudence suggests hanging onto Georgiev and let those two duke it out in the NHL..


Hank will not leave. So far, he seems to value his NY Rangers legacy more than the opportunity to win a cup. I wonder if the Rangers asked him if he wanted leave after last season's mess. This season has a very slim chance for the playoffs and no chance for a cup. Is Hank hopeful about next season? Georgiev looks like a full time NHL goalie so far. If Shestorkin is the real deal, the unfortunate answer would be to trade Georgiev. Doing that before Shestorkin gets here is a risky move.




It would take a hell of a enticement to get Lundqvist to move. And I think the biggest issue is how many teams contending for a CUP, would realistically believe he's going to provide the type of goaltending to win a Cup at this stage of his career. It's probably not a very big list, and he's probably not a upgrade at this stage. An injury to a contenders starter would probably provide the cap room, opportunity, and possibly the persuasion Lundqvist would need. And then it would be on him.


Eat half his salary and send him to San Jose. Their goaltending is awful again and keeps costing them. Even on his last legs Lundqvist is better than Jones.




I’m with you on that. I think the Rangers can make it work somewhere, if he will go, there just won’t be much of a return.
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Posted 2019-10-23 8:36 AM (#728923 - in reply to #728912)
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If Shesterkin is the real deal... it looks like he is.... Then the trade value is Georgiev.

Teams looking for a goalie aren't looking for a Lundqvist... they're looking for a long term starter.

Georgiev isn't the starter here.... he'll never be the starter here.... And that isn't saying he's not good enough to start, it's just Lundqvist is going to be splitting the time with him... because he is also good still...

And will be next year... after that he may very well retire, or take a pay cut for a couple years to remain in NY as Shesty's backup IF the team looks like it can contend by then.

If by the deadline Georgiev shows that he is ready to be a starter, teams that need one will come calling for him.

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Posted 2019-10-23 10:26 AM (#728925 - in reply to #728923)
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robstones - 2019-10-23 8:36 AM

If Shesterkin is the real deal... it looks like he is.... Then the trade value is Georgiev.

Teams looking for a goalie aren't looking for a Lundqvist... they're looking for a long term starter.

Georgiev isn't the starter here.... he'll never be the starter here.... And that isn't saying he's not good enough to start, it's just Lundqvist is going to be splitting the time with him... because he is also good still...

And will be next year... after that he may very well retire, or take a pay cut for a couple years to remain in NY as Shesty's backup IF the team looks like it can contend by then.

If by the deadline Georgiev shows that he is ready to be a starter, teams that need one will come calling for him.


Half of San Jose's team uses walkers when they aren't on the ice. They look for long term or short term solutions. And I'd rather keep Georgiev as a backup for now and clear out some of Lundqvist's salary. I'd take a bag of pucks to do it. I don't see it happening but I wouldn't trade either young goalie to keep Lundqvist around. That makes no sense.
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Posted 2019-10-23 11:41 AM (#728928 - in reply to #728925)
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robstones - 2019-10-23 8:36 AM

If Shesterkin is the real deal... it looks like he is.... Then the trade value is Georgiev.

Teams looking for a goalie aren't looking for a Lundqvist... they're looking for a long term starter.

Georgiev isn't the starter here.... he'll never be the starter here.... And that isn't saying he's not good enough to start, it's just Lundqvist is going to be splitting the time with him... because he is also good still...

And will be next year... after that he may very well retire, or take a pay cut for a couple years to remain in NY as Shesty's backup IF the team looks like it can contend by then.

If by the deadline Georgiev shows that he is ready to be a starter, teams that need one will come calling for him.


Half of San Jose's team uses walkers when they aren't on the ice. They look for long term or short term solutions. And I'd rather keep Georgiev as a backup for now and clear out some of Lundqvist's salary. I'd take a bag of pucks to do it. I don't see it happening but I wouldn't trade either young goalie to keep Lundqvist around. That makes no sense.




Exactly, who thinks Georgiev has more value than Lundqvist to a team looking to make a playoff run? And that’s the only type of team that would pursue Lundqvist. Don’t discount the pull Karlsson in SAN Jose might have on Lundqvist in a private conversation also.
Trading Georgiev should only happen after Shestorokin has actually proven not hypothesized he is better than Georgiev. Battling it out with Shestorokin will only enhance Georgiev’s game and trade value. There is such a thing as cultivating trade value in a guy like Georgiev and it would be silly to trade him before he reaches max value.
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Posted 2019-10-23 11:42 AM (#728929 - in reply to #728925)
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Vua - 2019-10-23 12:26 PM

robstones - 2019-10-23 8:36 AM

If Shesterkin is the real deal... it looks like he is.... Then the trade value is Georgiev.

Teams looking for a goalie aren't looking for a Lundqvist... they're looking for a long term starter.

Georgiev isn't the starter here.... he'll never be the starter here.... And that isn't saying he's not good enough to start, it's just Lundqvist is going to be splitting the time with him... because he is also good still...

And will be next year... after that he may very well retire, or take a pay cut for a couple years to remain in NY as Shesty's backup IF the team looks like it can contend by then.

If by the deadline Georgiev shows that he is ready to be a starter, teams that need one will come calling for him.


Half of San Jose's team uses walkers when they aren't on the ice. They look for long term or short term solutions. And I'd rather keep Georgiev as a backup for now and clear out some of Lundqvist's salary. I'd take a bag of pucks to do it. I don't see it happening but I wouldn't trade either young goalie to keep Lundqvist around. That makes no sense.


Keep him around? His contract is up next year.... So you get Shesterkin up here, split time with Lundqvist the way Talbot, Raanta, and Georgiev have all done... and when Lundqvist retires, Shesty takes over...
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Posted 2019-10-23 1:19 PM (#728934 - in reply to #728929)
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robstones - 2019-10-23 1:42 PM

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robstones - 2019-10-23 8:36 AM

If Shesterkin is the real deal... it looks like he is.... Then the trade value is Georgiev.

Teams looking for a goalie aren't looking for a Lundqvist... they're looking for a long term starter.

Georgiev isn't the starter here.... he'll never be the starter here.... And that isn't saying he's not good enough to start, it's just Lundqvist is going to be splitting the time with him... because he is also good still...

And will be next year... after that he may very well retire, or take a pay cut for a couple years to remain in NY as Shesty's backup IF the team looks like it can contend by then.

If by the deadline Georgiev shows that he is ready to be a starter, teams that need one will come calling for him.


Half of San Jose's team uses walkers when they aren't on the ice. They look for long term or short term solutions. And I'd rather keep Georgiev as a backup for now and clear out some of Lundqvist's salary. I'd take a bag of pucks to do it. I don't see it happening but I wouldn't trade either young goalie to keep Lundqvist around. That makes no sense.


Keep him around? His contract is up next year.... So you get Shesterkin up here, split time with Lundqvist the way Talbot, Raanta, and Georgiev have all done... and when Lundqvist retires, Shesty takes over...


What if Georgiev is better?
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Posted 2019-10-23 4:59 PM (#728939 - in reply to #728912)
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Georgiev isn't better than Lundqvist now... If Georgiev is better, than Shesterkin is a bust.

I'm assuming Shesterkin is not a bust.

I'm not saying trade either Lundqvist or Georgiev now... Shesterkin needs to get NHL time first... he'll get a callup this season.

If Shesterkin proves to be as good or better than the other 2... if he's at their level... we keep the younger home grown one
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Posted 2019-10-23 5:14 PM (#728941 - in reply to #728929)
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robstones - 2019-10-23 10:42 AM

Vua - 2019-10-23 12:26 PM

robstones - 2019-10-23 8:36 AM

If Shesterkin is the real deal... it looks like he is.... Then the trade value is Georgiev.

Teams looking for a goalie aren't looking for a Lundqvist... they're looking for a long term starter.

Georgiev isn't the starter here.... he'll never be the starter here.... And that isn't saying he's not good enough to start, it's just Lundqvist is going to be splitting the time with him... because he is also good still...

And will be next year... after that he may very well retire, or take a pay cut for a couple years to remain in NY as Shesty's backup IF the team looks like it can contend by then.

If by the deadline Georgiev shows that he is ready to be a starter, teams that need one will come calling for him.


Half of San Jose's team uses walkers when they aren't on the ice. They look for long term or short term solutions. And I'd rather keep Georgiev as a backup for now and clear out some of Lundqvist's salary. I'd take a bag of pucks to do it. I don't see it happening but I wouldn't trade either young goalie to keep Lundqvist around. That makes no sense.


Keep him around? His contract is up next year.... So you get Shesterkin up here, split time with Lundqvist the way Talbot, Raanta, and Georgiev have all done... and when Lundqvist retires, Shesty takes over...






Georgiev will be one of the better goaltending bargains available. Do you think he’s going to break the bank? He will if his start is a indication supply as good a goaltending as Lundqvist for a 1/4 of the money if they can move Lundqvist. And he’s here until Shestorokin proves he’s better than Georgiev. Lundqvist is the non fit. Just because they did it with Talbot , Raanta doesn’t mean you do it with Georgiev.
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Posted 2019-10-23 5:31 PM (#728942 - in reply to #728939)
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robstones - 2019-10-23 4:59 PM

Georgiev isn't better than Lundqvist now... If Georgiev is better, than Shesterkin is a bust.

I'm assuming Shesterkin is not a bust.

I'm not saying trade either Lundqvist or Georgiev now... Shesterkin needs to get NHL time first... he'll get a callup this season.

If Shesterkin proves to be as good or better than the other 2... if he's at their level... we keep the younger home grown one


I'd disagree about Georgiev not being better than Lundqvist right now. From what I see he is. And Georgiev turning out better than Shesterkin doesn't automatically mean he's a bust. What kind of comment is that? Lundqvist being gone would help out a lot with the cap hit next year that buying out Shattenkirk is leaving behind. I know Lundqvist is gone after next season, but you brought up resigning him. I didn't say that. There is no benefit to keeping Lundqvist around at all. None. And you'd be better off trading Georgiev later if Shesterkin pans out than trading him this year.
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Posted 2019-10-23 6:30 PM (#728943 - in reply to #728912)
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I would say Georgiev is just as good as Lundqvist. At 23 he should get even better
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Posted 2019-10-23 7:10 PM (#728944 - in reply to #728943)
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Rangerjunkie - 2019-10-23 8:30 PM

I would say Georgiev is just as good as Lundqvist. At 23 he should get even better


Yeah... they're about equal.... both are playing great. The losses have been in spite of great goaltending.

I think Lundqvist retires next year... The benefit of keeping him is to have Shesterkin learn from one of if not THE best goalie in franchise history....

Ben Allaire gets credit for Talbot, Raanta and everyone else, but I think Lundqvist contributes to these guys developement too. Georgiev... Lundqvist helped mold these guys, and I want him here for Shesterkin to learn from too
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Posted 2019-10-23 7:41 PM (#728945 - in reply to #728944)
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Rangerjunkie - 2019-10-23 8:30 PM

I would say Georgiev is just as good as Lundqvist. At 23 he should get even better


Yeah... they're about equal.... both are playing great. The losses have been in spite of great goaltending.

I think Lundqvist retires next year... The benefit of keeping him is to have Shesterkin learn from one of if not THE best goalie in franchise history....

Ben Allaire gets credit for Talbot, Raanta and everyone else, but I think Lundqvist contributes to these guys developement too. Georgiev... Lundqvist helped mold these guys, and I want him here for Shesterkin to learn from too









“””””Georgiev isn't better than Lundqvist now... If Georgiev is better, than Shesterkin is a bust. “”””””

Your quote which makes zero sense. How if Georgiev is better than Lundqvist makes Shestorokin a bust requires a explanation. . And a couple posts later you say”” Georgiev and Lundqvist are about equal””. Which is a subjective thing and your opinion, some feel Georgiev is better now. And I don’t disagree with that. He certainly has more long term value than Lundqvist and the idea Lundqvist is going to be some kind of mentoring guru doesn’t hold water. You have to look to find a goalie of Lundqvist's stature that was happy and mentored a youngster in the twilight of his career. And never for $8.5 mill. Guys like Lundqvist go down swinging. The best thing for the Rangers is a adequate return for moving Henrek when Shestorokin proves he has graduated from Hartford, and then he and Georgiev duke it out.
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Posted 2019-10-23 8:48 PM (#728947 - in reply to #728939)
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robstones - 2019-10-23 6:59 PM

Georgiev isn't better than Lundqvist now... If Georgiev is better, than Shesterkin is a bust.

I'm assuming Shesterkin is not a bust.

I'm not saying trade either Lundqvist or Georgiev now... Shesterkin needs to get NHL time first... he'll get a callup this season.

If Shesterkin proves to be as good or better than the other 2... if he's at their level... we keep the younger home grown one


Georgiev is 42 days younger than Shestyorkan

I think Hank will continue to refuse a trade.
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Posted 2019-10-24 10:14 AM (#728952 - in reply to #728939)
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robstones - 2019-10-23 6:59 PM

Georgiev isn't better than Lundqvist now... If Georgiev is better, than Shesterkin is a bust.

I'm assuming Shesterkin is not a bust.

I'm not saying trade either Lundqvist or Georgiev now... Shesterkin needs to get NHL time first... he'll get a callup this season.

If Shesterkin proves to be as good or better than the other 2... if he's at their level... we keep the younger home grown one


Isn't Georgiev home grown as well as Shesterkin?
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Posted 2019-10-24 10:21 AM (#728953 - in reply to #728952)
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robstones - 2019-10-23 6:59 PM

Georgiev isn't better than Lundqvist now... If Georgiev is better, than Shesterkin is a bust.

I'm assuming Shesterkin is not a bust.

I'm not saying trade either Lundqvist or Georgiev now... Shesterkin needs to get NHL time first... he'll get a callup this season.

If Shesterkin proves to be as good or better than the other 2... if he's at their level... we keep the younger home grown one


Isn't Georgiev home grown as well as Shesterkin?


Yes, but Georgie was signed as a UFA and Shesty was drafted.
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His numbers have been off the charts. #1 in the AHL. When compared to Huska, not even close. Knoblauch attributes much of Hartford's success to Shesty's play. He's been their MVP. I know the Rangers problems have not been in goal, but how do you keep this kind of talent stuck on the farm?

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Steady Eddie - 2020-01-04 5:38 AM

His numbers have been off the charts. #1 in the AHL. When compared to Huska, not even close. Knoblauch attributes much of Hartford's success to Shesty's play. He's been their MVP. I know the Rangers problems have not been in goal, but how do you keep this kind of talent stuck on the farm?






You don't but the only logical move is move Lundqvist. The Rangers need a very good contender to lose their top goalie for the season, and then maybe Hank could be persuaded to take a last shot at a cup. He's going to get his retirement ceremony in the sun no matter what. I hate to see them dump Georgiev for a second pick if they are lucky to appease Henrek.
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His numbers have been off the charts. #1 in the AHL. When compared to Huska, not even close. Knoblauch attributes much of Hartford's success to Shesty's play. He's been their MVP. I know the Rangers problems have not been in goal, but how do you keep this kind of talent stuck on the farm?






You don't but the only logical move is move Lundqvist. The Rangers need a very good contender to lose their top goalie for the season, and then maybe Hank could be persuaded to take a last shot at a cup. He's going to get his retirement ceremony in the sun no matter what. I hate to see them dump Georgiev for a second pick if they are lucky to appease Henrek.

Agreed. I think Georgiev and Shesterkin can be an excellent tandem, but how do you move Hank? The only way is to designate him as the backup, and he may just waive his NMC.
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Steady Eddie - 2020-01-04 5:38 AM

His numbers have been off the charts. #1 in the AHL. When compared to Huska, not even close. Knoblauch attributes much of Hartford's success to Shesty's play. He's been their MVP. I know the Rangers problems have not been in goal, but how do you keep this kind of talent stuck on the farm?






You don't but the only logical move is move Lundqvist. The Rangers need a very good contender to lose their top goalie for the season, and then maybe Hank could be persuaded to take a last shot at a cup. He's going to get his retirement ceremony in the sun no matter what. I hate to see them dump Georgiev for a second pick if they are lucky to appease Henrek.

Agreed. I think Georgiev and Shesterkin can be an excellent tandem, but how do you move Hank? The only way is to designate him as the backup, and he may just waive his NMC.




If he'd cooperate it would be easy. He's getting close to second string and he should know it. The lure of a cup as a starter with a contender is pretty much the only way he's leaving.
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Posted 2020-01-04 7:49 AM (#730799 - in reply to #728912)
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Steady, I don't think Henrik is going anywhere....the best time to move him was 2 years ago after The Letter...he was in prime shape and trade value was high (especially if we retained half). However, Henrik was adamant about staying here (to me, that said he wasn't thinking about a Cup any longer -- he's already a first ballot HOFer).

If you couldn't get him to agree to a trade then, he's certainly not going to now. I think the only scenario left is retirement.
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Mjolnir - 2020-01-04 9:49 AM

Steady, I don't think Henrik is going anywhere....the best time to move him was 2 years ago after The Letter...he was in prime shape and trade value was high (especially if we retained half). However, Henrik was adamant about staying here (to me, that said he wasn't thinking about a Cup any longer -- he's already a first ballot HOFer).

If you couldn't get him to agree to a trade then, he's certainly not going to now. I think the only scenario left is retirement.


Well said.
Hank is not going anywhere. It would take a miracle that is not possible in the NHL. No team will extend him for big money and he is not interested in moving. The odds are slim that the Rangers win a cup next year as they have cap issues (UFA/RFA), youth issues and coaching issues. He is going to ride out this year and next year and we will be watching Georgiev playing in another sweater.
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Don't rule the Rangers buying Hank out if he won't accept a trade. JD and Gorton are cold blooded. They will do what is best for the team. He's made a crap load of money here and deserved it. However, all things must eventually end.
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Posted 2020-01-04 6:10 PM (#730804 - in reply to #730802)
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itsmcilrathtime - 2020-01-04 1:57 PM

Don't rule the Rangers buying Hank out if he won't accept a trade. JD and Gorton are cold blooded. They will do what is best for the team. He's made a crap load of money here and deserved it. However, all things must eventually end.


Interesting. The Hank buyout cap hit would be $5.5m next year and $1.5m the year after. The Rangers would save $3m next season and be able to keep the 2 young goalies.
https://puckpedia.com/player/henrik-lundqvist/buyout?s=2020-2021
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Posted 2020-01-04 7:39 PM (#730805 - in reply to #730804)
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x10003q - 2020-01-04 8:10 PM

itsmcilrathtime - 2020-01-04 1:57 PM

Don't rule the Rangers buying Hank out if he won't accept a trade. JD and Gorton are cold blooded. They will do what is best for the team. He's made a crap load of money here and deserved it. However, all things must eventually end.


Interesting. The Hank buyout cap hit would be $5.5m next year and $1.5m the year after. The Rangers would save $3m next season and be able to keep the 2 young goalies.
https://puckpedia.com/player/henrik-lundqvist/buyout?s=2020-2021
Rangers need to stay from buyouts totally. After next season, they will be rid of most of the dead space AND the bad contracts.
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Posted 2020-01-06 7:21 AM (#730822 - in reply to #728912)
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He's here, Shestorokin called up.

https://www.nhl.com/rangers/news/rangers-recall-igor-shesterkin-from...
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Posted 2020-01-06 10:23 AM (#730823 - in reply to #728912)
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Sounds like he'll make his debut tomorrow...and if he plays well for the period leading up to the deadline, would likely mean Georgiev gets traded by the looks
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Posted 2020-01-06 10:32 AM (#730824 - in reply to #730823)
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Fish - 2020-01-06 9:23 AM

Sounds like he'll make his debut tomorrow...and if he plays well for the period leading up to the deadline, would likely mean Georgiev gets traded by the looks




You might say things are shaping up for a Georgiev, Andersson and maybe a prospect for a stiff defensemen with some bang. .
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Posted 2020-01-06 12:28 PM (#730825 - in reply to #730824)
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Rranger - 2020-01-06 9:32 AM

Fish - 2020-01-06 9:23 AM

Sounds like he'll make his debut tomorrow...and if he plays well for the period leading up to the deadline, would likely mean Georgiev gets traded by the looks


You might say things are shaping up for a Georgiev, Andersson and maybe a prospect for a stiff defensemen with some bang. .


Who knows, but I wouldn't be surprised to see a forward come back
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Posted 2020-01-06 3:10 PM (#730827 - in reply to #730825)
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Fish - 2020-01-06 2:28 PM

Rranger - 2020-01-06 9:32 AM

Fish - 2020-01-06 9:23 AM

Sounds like he'll make his debut tomorrow...and if he plays well for the period leading up to the deadline, would likely mean Georgiev gets traded by the looks


You might say things are shaping up for a Georgiev, Andersson and maybe a prospect for a stiff defensemen with some bang. .


Who knows, but I wouldn't be surprised to see a forward come back


I would say a forward. Kreider is history, Buch and Strome could also go. They are light on forwards.
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Posted 2020-01-06 3:59 PM (#730828 - in reply to #728912)
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People were worried if he didn't get called up he would use his out clause. A few games behind this defense and he may use his clause if they don't send him back to Hartford.
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Posted 2020-01-06 5:25 PM (#730830 - in reply to #728912)
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Lol Vua good one.
The Rangers are not light on forwards if they stick to trading Fast and Kreider up front and Skjei and by miracle Staal. Strome and Buchnevich are handy guys to have around and Strome better be smart enough to realize what he has in New York.
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Posted 2020-01-07 8:56 AM (#730831 - in reply to #730828)
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Vua - 2020-01-06 5:59 PM

People were worried if he didn't get called up he would use his out clause. A few games behind this defense and he may use his clause if they don't send him back to Hartford.


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Posted 2020-01-07 11:47 AM (#730832 - in reply to #728912)
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Ok, good for this kid goalie. How does this solve the Rangers D-problems, holes, inefficiencies? Unless he is the next Roy (i.e. 1986), the same D-problems will persist.
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Posted 2020-01-07 12:09 PM (#730833 - in reply to #728912)
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I think the return on Shesterkin is greater than Georgiev. If management has confidence in Georgiev, a #1 pick or a top prospect could be had for Shestorkin. Not sure if we get better than a #2 for Georgiev.
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Posted 2020-01-07 12:28 PM (#730834 - in reply to #730833)
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Steady Eddie - 2020-01-07 11:09 AM

I think the return on Shesterkin is greater than Georgiev. If management has confidence in Georgiev, a #1 pick or a top prospect could be had for Shestorkin. Not sure if we get better than a #2 for Georgiev.


I'd be very surprised if they got a 2nd rounder for Georgiev....goaltenders tend to trade below other positions in terms of value. I wouldn't be surprised if Shesterkin managed a 2nd rounder at best, and IMO you check to see what you got, but on performance to date, I'd be more inclined to keep Shesterkin than Georgiev, and the only real reason you're trading Georgiev is because you have too many goaltenders, so moving him would make it easier for Shesterkin to evolve rather than have him plateau in Hartford.
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Posted 2020-01-07 5:49 PM (#730843 - in reply to #730828)
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Vua - 2020-01-06 5:59 PM

People were worried if he didn't get called up he would use his out clause. A few games behind this defense and he may use his clause if they don't send him back to Hartford.


Might not even take a few games... a few periods perhaps...
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Posted 2020-01-08 7:49 AM (#730913 - in reply to #728912)
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People are overrating Georgiev. I'm happy with his performance as a backup but he's either had great games, or very bad ones. And I think people all too easily are forgetting the bad ones.

He's played 20 games so far. He's given up 4 or more goals in 7 of them, including 3 of the last 4. That's not starter material in the NHL, even in spite of blaming the Rangers defense for bleeding shots. That's either a good backup, or a bottom of the barrel starter. If we can get a 2nd rounder for him I'd be thrilled.

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Posted 2020-01-08 11:58 AM (#730914 - in reply to #728912)
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https://thehockeynews.com/news/article/igor-shesterkin-has-finally-a...
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Posted 2020-01-08 12:30 PM (#730916 - in reply to #728912)
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I don’t think many on here expect more than a second for Georgiev and even that might be high based on other goalie trades. I think the opposition is him being moved period. Especially for not much. Right now he’s pretty much even with Lundqvist playing and numbers wise. I would and many others would rather see Georgiev and Shestorokin playing together going forward. If there is a team out there that can offer Lundqvist the challenge and opportunity to compete for a cup and sell him on going there, fit him in their cap I’m all for it. And the sooner the better. Shestorokin and Georgiev are both ready and need to play.
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Posted 2020-01-09 8:55 AM (#730921 - in reply to #730916)
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Rranger - 2020-01-08 2:30 PM

I don’t think many on here expect more than a second for Georgiev and even that might be high based on other goalie trades. I think the opposition is him being moved period. Especially for not much. Right now he’s pretty much even with Lundqvist playing and numbers wise. I would and many others would rather see Georgiev and Shestorokin playing together going forward. If there is a team out there that can offer Lundqvist the challenge and opportunity to compete for a cup and sell him on going there, fit him in their cap I’m all for it. And the sooner the better. Shestorokin and Georgiev are both ready and need to play.


Watch the miracle of "Hank leaving" happen and then the Rangers loose Georgiev to Seattle.
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Posted 2020-01-09 11:31 AM (#730922 - in reply to #730921)
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Rranger - 2020-01-08 2:30 PM

I don’t think many on here expect more than a second for Georgiev and even that might be high based on other goalie trades. I think the opposition is him being moved period. Especially for not much. Right now he’s pretty much even with Lundqvist playing and numbers wise. I would and many others would rather see Georgiev and Shestorokin playing together going forward. If there is a team out there that can offer Lundqvist the challenge and opportunity to compete for a cup and sell him on going there, fit him in their cap I’m all for it. And the sooner the better. Shestorokin and Georgiev are both ready and need to play.


Watch the miracle of "Hank leaving" happen and then the Rangers loose Georgiev to Seattle.


Even if they don't move anyone, Hank's contract ends and they can protect Georgiev. Shesterkin doesn't need to be protected.
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Posted 2020-01-09 11:40 AM (#730923 - in reply to #730922)
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x10003q - 2020-01-09 9:55 AM

Rranger - 2020-01-08 2:30 PM

I don’t think many on here expect more than a second for Georgiev and even that might be high based on other goalie trades. I think the opposition is him being moved period. Especially for not much. Right now he’s pretty much even with Lundqvist playing and numbers wise. I would and many others would rather see Georgiev and Shestorokin playing together going forward. If there is a team out there that can offer Lundqvist the challenge and opportunity to compete for a cup and sell him on going there, fit him in their cap I’m all for it. And the sooner the better. Shestorokin and Georgiev are both ready and need to play.


Watch the miracle of "Hank leaving" happen and then the Rangers loose Georgiev to Seattle.


Even if they don't move anyone, Hank's contract ends and they can protect Georgiev. Shesterkin doesn't need to be protected.


Right! So they do not have to expose Shesterkin because of the age of his contract?
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Posted 2020-01-09 3:43 PM (#730928 - in reply to #728912)
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Yep, Shesterkin is exempt, as well as Kakko, Kravtsov, Fox, Miller, Keane, Lundkvist. (Not a full list just the more important ones)
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Posted 2020-01-10 11:04 AM (#731005 - in reply to #728912)
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After seeing him in the two games, it looks like Shesty is the real deal. Can handle the puck better than any Ranger goalie since Biron, good down low, very good glove, and good rebound control. I like Georgiev, but I think this guy is even better. Now the question is, what to do with three goalies? I say ride the hot hand. Play Shesty, keep Lundqvist on the bench, and Georgy in street clothes. Perhaps Hank will grow tired of being a backup and ask for a trade. If not, get what you can for Georgy.
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Posted 2020-03-14 6:07 AM (#733283 - in reply to #728912)
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Hartford is 24-8-7 with Shesterkin in the lineup. They are 7-12-4, have lost 5 straight, and have gone from 1st to 7th in the conference without him.

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Posted 2020-03-14 7:02 AM (#733284 - in reply to #728912)
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The fact Shesterkin and the coach had the record they did was a miracle. That team is basically void of talent. Next year there should be a huge pool of young talent going there. It's been a long time that has been the case.
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Posted 2020-03-14 7:31 AM (#733285 - in reply to #728912)
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This is the Rangers next great goalie, one thing Rangers always had good goaltenders. Yes, next year we expect the Rangers to do well.
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