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concust
Posted 2016-08-11 7:46 AM (#663753)
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Might as well, nothing else to talk about in August.

Jimmy Vesey becomes an unrestricted free agent on August 15. Rangers are mentioned in the mix, but then again they're mentioned in the mix for almost everyone.

Buffalo owns his rights and remain "in the picture" technically, especially since he's friends with Eichel, but considering he's going to get a max ELC anywhere he goes, if he wanted to sign in Buffalo I don't see any (good) reason why he wouldn't have already.

Countdown to Monday... rumors will start heating up this weekend.
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Posted 2016-08-11 8:30 AM (#663755 - in reply to #663753)
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Chicago and New York are Vesey's best options as far as quality of team... New York has his buddy Hayes who would likely be his linemate, is one of the biggest markets in the league, and fits the bill of his wish to stay in the North East

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Vua
Posted 2016-08-11 8:54 AM (#663756 - in reply to #663753)
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The report from Boston is Vesey's preferred 3 are the Blackhawks, Rangers, and Devils. What that means is anyone's guess because rumors are what they are. Surprising group though considering all the initial speculation, though this could be equally as inaccurate.
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Posted 2016-08-11 10:33 AM (#663757 - in reply to #663756)
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updates from sny.tv, indicates Rangers "heavily in the mix"

https://www.sny.tv/rangers/news/report-rangers-heavily-in-the-mix-to...
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concust
Posted 2016-08-11 10:41 AM (#663758 - in reply to #663756)
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Vua - 2016-08-11 9:54 AM

The report from Boston is Vesey's preferred 3 are the Blackhawks, Rangers, and Devils. What that means is anyone's guess because rumors are what they are. Surprising group though considering all the initial speculation, though this could be equally as inaccurate.


If that's actually the case I can see Vesey signing here. "Reports" have always been Toronto or Boston based on family ties to both, but, like Hayes, Vesey may want to make a name for himself and strike out on his own. Pretty common for a youngster, hockey player or not. If that's the case then maybe the opportunity to step up as one of the top young forwards in NY is more appealing than playing second or third fiddle behind Toews, Kane, Hossa, Panarin, etc. The shot at a Cup is real but when you're young and you're starting your career you think you have plenty of time to win a Cup.

Who knows, this may get more interesting than I initially suspected.

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Posted 2016-08-11 11:18 AM (#663760 - in reply to #663753)
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I predict he signs with the Rangers.... as Herb Brooks once said.... "Great Moments are Born from Great Opportunity"....There is no greater opportunity for an NHL rookie player than to play in "The Worlds Most Famous Arena"...
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Posted 2016-08-11 11:44 AM (#663761 - in reply to #663758)
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concust - 2016-08-11 10:41 AM

Vua - 2016-08-11 9:54 AM

The report from Boston is Vesey's preferred 3 are the Blackhawks, Rangers, and Devils. What that means is anyone's guess because rumors are what they are. Surprising group though considering all the initial speculation, though this could be equally as inaccurate.


If that's actually the case I can see Vesey signing here. "Reports" have always been Toronto or Boston based on family ties to both, but, like Hayes, Vesey may want to make a name for himself and strike out on his own. Pretty common for a youngster, hockey player or not. If that's the case then maybe the opportunity to step up as one of the top young forwards in NY is more appealing than playing second or third fiddle behind Toews, Kane, Hossa, Panarin, etc. The shot at a Cup is real but when you're young and you're starting your career you think you have plenty of time to win a Cup.

Who knows, this may get more interesting than I initially suspected.



I was a little surprised to see a Boston report say it seemed both Boston and Toronto weren't in his top 3 destinations. But that doesn't mean they can't talk him into it when he meets with them.
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Mjolnir
Posted 2016-08-11 6:25 PM (#663765 - in reply to #663760)
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RANGERNUT - 2016-08-11 1:18 PM

I predict he signs with the Rangers.... as Herb Brooks once said.... "Great Moments are Born from Great Opportunity"....There is no greater opportunity for an NHL rookie player than to play in "The Worlds Most Famous Arena"...


And then there's AV.
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Posted 2016-08-11 7:03 PM (#663767 - in reply to #663753)
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Nash, Miller, Kreider, Stepan, Zabenijad, Hayes, Zuccarello, Buchnevich and coaches personal fave Fast in the top nine. Unless Nash or someone else gets moved who's he going to bump to the fourth line? Toss Grabner in that mix to. I don't see him coming here unless he knows there's going to be a forward or two moved.
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Posted 2016-08-11 7:29 PM (#663769 - in reply to #663767)
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Rranger - 2016-08-11 9:03 PM

Nash, Miller, Kreider, Stepan, Zabenijad, Hayes, Zuccarello, Buchnevich and coaches personal fave Fast in the top nine. Unless Nash or someone else gets moved who's he going to bump to the fourth line? Toss Grabner in that mix to. I don't see him coming here unless he knows there's going to be a forward or two moved.
Out of names mentioned, I would say the only candidate is Hayes.
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concust
Posted 2016-08-12 10:24 AM (#663775 - in reply to #663761)
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Vua - 2016-08-11 12:44 PM

concust - 2016-08-11 10:41 AM

Vua - 2016-08-11 9:54 AM

The report from Boston is Vesey's preferred 3 are the Blackhawks, Rangers, and Devils. What that means is anyone's guess because rumors are what they are. Surprising group though considering all the initial speculation, though this could be equally as inaccurate.


If that's actually the case I can see Vesey signing here. "Reports" have always been Toronto or Boston based on family ties to both, but, like Hayes, Vesey may want to make a name for himself and strike out on his own. Pretty common for a youngster, hockey player or not. If that's the case then maybe the opportunity to step up as one of the top young forwards in NY is more appealing than playing second or third fiddle behind Toews, Kane, Hossa, Panarin, etc. The shot at a Cup is real but when you're young and you're starting your career you think you have plenty of time to win a Cup.

Who knows, this may get more interesting than I initially suspected.



I was a little surprised to see a Boston report say it seemed both Boston and Toronto weren't in his top 3 destinations. But that doesn't mean they can't talk him into it when he meets with them.


I saw another recent report that listed Chicago and Boston, no mention of the Rangers. So at this point it's all rumors.
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Mjolnir
Posted 2016-08-12 11:05 AM (#663776 - in reply to #663775)
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concust - 2016-08-12 12:24 PM

Vua - 2016-08-11 12:44 PM

concust - 2016-08-11 10:41 AM

Vua - 2016-08-11 9:54 AM

The report from Boston is Vesey's preferred 3 are the Blackhawks, Rangers, and Devils. What that means is anyone's guess because rumors are what they are. Surprising group though considering all the initial speculation, though this could be equally as inaccurate.


If that's actually the case I can see Vesey signing here. "Reports" have always been Toronto or Boston based on family ties to both, but, like Hayes, Vesey may want to make a name for himself and strike out on his own. Pretty common for a youngster, hockey player or not. If that's the case then maybe the opportunity to step up as one of the top young forwards in NY is more appealing than playing second or third fiddle behind Toews, Kane, Hossa, Panarin, etc. The shot at a Cup is real but when you're young and you're starting your career you think you have plenty of time to win a Cup.

Who knows, this may get more interesting than I initially suspected.



I was a little surprised to see a Boston report say it seemed both Boston and Toronto weren't in his top 3 destinations. But that doesn't mean they can't talk him into it when he meets with them.


I saw another recent report that listed Chicago and Boston, no mention of the Rangers. So at this point it's all rumors.
I've recently seen that he has a list of 5 teams including Chicago and Boston, but there's no word on the other 3 teams.
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Mjolnir
Posted 2016-08-12 11:15 AM (#663777 - in reply to #663753)
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Here's what I found so far:

http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/vesey-narrows-list-to-handful-of-...

Among the teams Vesey will reportedly hear from are the Boston Bruins, New York Rangers, New Jersey Devils, Toronto Maple Leafs and Chicago Blackhawks.

http://www.csnne.com/boston-bruins/Jimmy-Vesey-has-a-short-list-of-...

The sense at this address: the Bruins, Sabres, Maple Leafs and New Jersey Devils are the teams on Vesey’s short list with the Pittsburgh Penguins as a possible dark horse candidate after winning the Stanley Cup last spring.

http://www.cbssports.com/nhl/news/jimmy-vesey-watch-shortlist-narro...

Mentions 6 teams: Boston, Toronto, Buffalo, Chicago, Devils, Rangers

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Posted 2016-08-13 9:57 AM (#663778 - in reply to #663753)
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No chance he goes to NJ. They never win these types of situations because it's well known around the league that they are a low class organization that treats their players terrible. So do the Bruins. So to me it's down to Toronto and the Rangers. Chicago is too far from him and the city is full of crime.
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Posted 2016-08-13 1:33 PM (#663779 - in reply to #663753)
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http://thehockeywriters.com/jimmy-vesey-watch-why-signing-with-the-...

I think the future contracts thing weighs big on this. The Rangers have a good track record signing players. Vesey could be very confident if he holds up his end, his next contract negotiation would be amicable. The biggest black cloud over Chicago is the number of quality players they've had to dump, to hold their cap. Vesey could be the next Andrew Shaw forced out.

Edited by Rranger 2016-08-13 3:44 PM
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concust
Posted 2016-08-14 7:18 AM (#663781 - in reply to #663753)
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Some outlets reporting it's down to Chicago and NJ. Not entirely credible sources though so I won't even bother citing them.

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Posted 2016-08-14 10:07 AM (#663782 - in reply to #663753)
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I shouldn't say no way he goes to NJ. There is one way. He knows he can walk onto that team and never play a game in the minors. So if all cares about is playing in the NHL and not playing in the minors, he might take the easy way out and go to a crap team. To me that tells me he is afraid of earning a spot on a team with few openings. Which means he's soft.
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Posted 2016-08-14 12:08 PM (#663783 - in reply to #663753)
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The Devils make no sense. He might as well stay in Buffalo, if he wants to be on a nonplayoff team.
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Posted 2016-08-14 3:34 PM (#663784 - in reply to #663753)
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Vesey has a lot of options, he is also going to seek a guarantee he's in the NHL for this season and he will be.
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Posted 2016-08-15 7:23 AM (#663787 - in reply to #663753)
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Vesey will be guaranteed an NHL spot on whatever team he goes to. It's one of the few bargaining chips he has since he will get max ELC from any team. He can only negotiate the perks.
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Posted 2016-08-15 1:01 PM (#663788 - in reply to #663753)
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How is there even a franchise in the $hithole of NJ. Most obscure team, no one cares about...... Lmfao

Edited by Spider3WideBanana 2016-08-15 1:02 PM
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concust
Posted 2016-08-15 2:49 PM (#663789 - in reply to #663753)
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Vesey's agent is saying no decision until Friday at the earliest.
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Posted 2016-08-15 9:25 PM (#663791 - in reply to #663753)
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I have read that Boston is the dream spot for him as he loves the B's Toronto a longer shot.. as his dad works for them .. but is a scout in the eastern USA.. so not sure that is even a thing...

If the talk of wanting to play right away is a big thing for him staying in Buffalo is a great spot they are young and he will for sure start over a team like he Devils who are not as young or skilled..

and if he is looking at Chicago he has as much of a shot with the Rangers.. so really there are many places he can play.. his agent said it will probably be friday or Saturday this week and does not see it going to next week

He just has to pick where he best fits and/or his best chance to win .. and if he wants to be top 6 then he goes to a weaker team.. if he wants to win he goes to a Chicago, Pens, Rangers, sort of situation.. I have to say I would be surprised if he is a Ranger.. but then I also did not think anyone would trade for Gomez.... so who knows.. lol
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Posted 2016-08-15 9:38 PM (#663793 - in reply to #663753)
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I don't see a American player wanting all the bookkeeping issues, taxes and other headaches they go through playing in Canada. Being traded there is one thing choosing to go there is another, and a highly unlikely one.
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Posted 2016-08-16 2:38 AM (#663796 - in reply to #663753)
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Boston is a lousy organization and a poor situation. For starters they are cheap. They don't treat their players well. If you don't play exactly like they want they trade you. No patience. Their centers are relics. All are over 30. Three of the their defenseman are over 35. He would be a complete moron to go there.
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Posted 2016-08-16 11:54 AM (#663797 - in reply to #663789)
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concust - 2016-08-15 2:49 PM

Vesey's agent is saying no decision until Friday at the earliest.


I'm surprised, I thought he would sign right away... that tells me he is waiting for teams to have a bidding war. Sounds like he cares more about the money than the destination...just my thought...
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Posted 2016-08-16 12:34 PM (#663798 - in reply to #663797)
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concust - 2016-08-15 2:49 PM

Vesey's agent is saying no decision until Friday at the earliest.


I'm surprised, I thought he would sign right away... that tells me he is waiting for teams to have a bidding war. Sounds like he cares more about the money than the destination...just my thought...


That's not it at all....every team is gonna offer the rookie contract maximum....and probably the bonus maximums as well.

Its a rare situation where the money will be pretty much equal all around.....so he isn't basing his decision on money at all.....

Actually, he is being extremely smart about this whole situation....and doing his due diligence.

Edited by Mandar 2016-08-16 12:35 PM
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robstones
Posted 2016-08-16 5:12 PM (#663799 - in reply to #663753)
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Other teams weren't legally allowed to talk to him until now, right? I'm sure some did off the record, but I'm also sure Vesey would want to give the front runners a day or half a day of his time each before making a decision.

Does he visit. each city? Has this guy ever even been to The Garden yet?
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Posted 2016-08-17 9:20 AM (#663800 - in reply to #663799)
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OK, so Jimmy Vesey met yesterday with representatives from

Toronto, The Islanders, The Devils, and Pittsburgh

Today he will be talking to

The Hawks, The Bruins, and The Rangers...

If I am to read in to things a bit, could today's meetings be with the "frontrunners?"



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Posted 2016-08-17 12:08 PM (#663801 - in reply to #663753)
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Any word on which teams Vesey has on his list?
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Gresch4
Posted 2016-08-17 12:20 PM (#663802 - in reply to #663753)
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HockeyStatMiner þ@HockeyStatMiner 14h14 hours ago
Here was Kevin Hayes' performance-bonus breakdown in 2014 (league maximum). Expect a carbon copy for Vesey:
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Posted 2016-08-17 12:23 PM (#663803 - in reply to #663802)
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Gresch4 - 2016-08-17 12:20 PM

HockeyStatMiner þ@HockeyStatMiner 14h14 hours ago
Here was Kevin Hayes' performance-bonus breakdown in 2014 (league maximum). Expect a carbon copy for Vesey:


Its not so much the Max ELC, that's a given that he will get that whereever he signs,, It's about bonuses and that was my point yesterday... ala, "Bidding War"
Just my opinion ....
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Posted 2016-08-17 12:27 PM (#663804 - in reply to #663753)
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I'm trying to attach the document that shows the incentives.


Schedule A bonuses:

Each triggered category would earn $212,500 in bonuses, with $850,000 being the max payout (in other words he stops getting paid after four catagories are achieved).

If:
-Top six in NYR forward ice time per game (min 42 games)
-Top six in NYR forward ice time total (min 42 games)
-if 20 goals scored
-if 35 assists made
-if 60 points scored
- .73 points per game (min 42 games)
-Top three in NYR forward +/-
-selected to/plays in NHL Allstar Game
-named NHL Allstar MVP

Schedule B bonuses:

Then there is a max of $2mil total attainable performance bonuses for the following end of season achievements:

-Top five voting/placement for Hart, Selke and/or Rocket Richard Trophies
-Top 2 voting in Lady Byng award
-Winning Conn Smythe Trophy
-Being named to 1st or 2nd NHL Allstar team by hockey writers
-Finishing Top 10 in NHL goals, assists, points/game

Edited by Gresch4 2016-08-17 12:34 PM
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Posted 2016-08-17 12:38 PM (#663806 - in reply to #663753)
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Here's a simpler breakdown of the ELC rules...

It's not like the system allows Vesey to actually hit a truly open market because he's still limited by entry-level contract rules. He's available to all 30 teams, but it's in a constrained market where nobody can offer more than a two-year deal with a $832,500 base salary, $92,500 signing bonus and $2.85 million in performance bonuses. This isn't about Vesey getting access to the kind of payday not afforded to other inexperienced players because he waited. It's about not turning draft rights into a softer form of the reserve clause.
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Posted 2016-08-17 12:42 PM (#663807 - in reply to #663753)
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I'm not stating there's a bidding war monetarily. I'm simply showing the performance bonus structure. Not breaking down any rules, not saying you're wrong.
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