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Posted 2016-10-27 10:33 AM (#664740)
Subject: Dylan McIlrath Clears Waivers - Assigned to Hartford


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Numerous internet reports he's on waivers.
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Posted 2016-10-27 11:26 AM (#664741 - in reply to #664740)
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Coin flip whether he gets claimed or not
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Posted 2016-10-27 11:46 AM (#664743 - in reply to #664740)
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Makes you wonder if he will get claimed. Hard to believe the Rangers couldn't get a late round pick for him. But often teams will sit and wait to see if he goes on waivers and then try to get him for nothing.
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Posted 2016-10-27 12:05 PM (#664744 - in reply to #664740)
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He also needs to play another 41 games this year, other wise he becomes a Group VI UFA...given that he's only played 39 to date, there's some risk in that
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Posted 2016-10-27 12:21 PM (#664745 - in reply to #664744)
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Fish - 2016-10-27 11:05 AM

He also needs to play another 41 games this year, other wise he becomes a Group VI UFA...given that he's only played 39 to date, there's some risk in that





That very well could be huge in the Rangers favour, making teams think twice about making that commitment to playing him a minimum of 39 games to keep him, with such a small body of NHL work it is a risk.
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Posted 2016-10-27 1:20 PM (#664746 - in reply to #664740)
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I hope he clears and reports to Hartford. I just like this kid. He has given it %100 and has improved. It would appear he is just a step off today's NHL. What a shame because his heart is good for a team. I hope he makes to Hartford and works his ass off to figure out how to compensate for the lack of foot speed, It can be done and he needs to find it.
would think he gets plucked .....
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Posted 2016-10-27 1:29 PM (#664748 - in reply to #664746)
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Dylan McIlrath’s time as a Ranger might have come to an end.

The organization’s first-round pick (No. 10 overall) from the 2010 draft was placed on waivers Thursday, meaning the rest of the league has until noon Friday to put in a claim and take on the rest of his one-year, $800,000 deal. If he clears, the Rangers can send him to AHL Hartford, and he can return at any later date.

“Obviously disappointed,” McIlrath said after he participated in practice, his team preparing to leave for Raleigh, N.C., where they will take on the Hurricanes on Friday night. “A lot of emotions running through my head. Definitely a very emotional day. Obviously it’s not the end of my career by any means, just a bump in the road. So, yeah, tough day.”

McIlrath, 24, played in just one of the team’s first seven games and was a healthy scratch for the previous five straight. After he played 34 regular season games last season, McIlrath did not look to blame coach Alain Vigneault or say he got short shrift.

“This year, I was more disappointed in myself, [not] earning that spot, and I take full onus. I’m never going to blame this on the coaches,” McIlrath said. “This was all about my play and not earning a spot in the lineup.”


http://nypost.com/2016/10/27/rangers-dylan-mcilrath-blames-only-him...
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Posted 2016-10-27 2:36 PM (#664749 - in reply to #664740)
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I just can't believe they'really willing to lose him for nothing.... AV referred to him as the #8 defenseman.... but is he really THAT bad, that he couldn't give a guy a break who may need the day off? Holden NEEDS to play??? Or is this guy the new Tanner Glass?
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Posted 2016-10-27 2:48 PM (#664750 - in reply to #664749)
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robstones - 2016-10-27 1:36 PM

I just can't believe they'really willing to lose him for nothing.... AV referred to him as the #8 defenseman.... but is he really THAT bad, that he couldn't give a guy a break who may need the day off? Holden NEEDS to play??? Or is this guy the new Tanner Glass?


I got the sense from the "Patrick Roy" called me story, that AV was trying to protect Holden a bit.
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Posted 2016-10-27 2:57 PM (#664752 - in reply to #664740)
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http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/nhl2010e.html

To look at that draft and see some of the guys drafted immediately behind him and further down the line, is so upsetting. Sather at his finest.

Edited by Spider3WideBanana 2016-10-27 2:58 PM
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Posted 2016-10-27 2:58 PM (#664753 - in reply to #664750)
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Fish - 2016-10-27 4:48 PM

robstones - 2016-10-27 1:36 PM

I just can't believe they'really willing to lose him for nothing.... AV referred to him as the #8 defenseman.... but is he really THAT bad, that he couldn't give a guy a break who may need the day off? Holden NEEDS to play??? Or is this guy the new Tanner Glass?


I got the sense from the "Patrick Roy" called me story, that AV was trying to protect Holden a bit.


The only way this move makes sense is if/when a trade happens to improve this D. AV said a few times that a factor in this is making cap room to "use down the line."

There's got to be something we don't know here
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Posted 2016-10-27 2:58 PM (#664754 - in reply to #664740)
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I have to guess they were trying to trade him, and had no takers. Perhaps it's worth the risk of losing him, by chancing waivers to get him to Hartford.

If the Islanders claim him, kill me.

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Posted 2016-10-27 3:01 PM (#664755 - in reply to #664740)
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From Blue Seat Blogs writer Dave Shapiro

By tomorrow, NYR will have $2.825m in cap space



Edited by robstones 2016-10-27 3:02 PM
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Posted 2016-10-27 3:12 PM (#664757 - in reply to #664740)
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Tarasenko was listed after our number 10 draft?!WTF does that list?
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LeetchyMrRanger
Posted 2016-10-27 4:03 PM (#664758 - in reply to #664740)
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No market for him these days ... for Yukropov (sp?) they only got back a prospect & a mid rnd pick is all, a #1 overall pick few years ago.

And, for Hall a top scorer in a game today who is carrying the Devils now, a nice d-man is all.

So, what can the Rangers get for this guy??? ... not much.

Edited by LeetchyMrRanger 2016-10-27 4:08 PM
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LeetchyMrRanger
Posted 2016-10-27 4:24 PM (#664759 - in reply to #664740)
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Blames himself for poor play:

http://nypost.com/2016/10/27/rangers-dylan-mcilrath-blames-only-him...
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Posted 2016-10-27 5:52 PM (#664760 - in reply to #664759)
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This is stupid. Just my opinion, and no surprise to many that I say this.

Holden is a turnover prone softie who shies away from hits. Girardi is one more heavy check away from the IR, and he'll break down as the season goes on. As a group, the defense struggles with physical teams. They've been bailed out by an excellent corps of forwards so far.

If McIlrath goes to an Eastern team and haunts the Rangers I hope it costs AV his job. Stubborn ass just won't change his mindset despite wasting several seasons with very good teams and no Cups.
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Posted 2016-10-27 6:35 PM (#664762 - in reply to #664740)
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I'm not sure I agree, I didn't see any of those Rangers teams as serious Cup contenders or winners. None of those teams were better than Hawks, Kings, Boston (that year they were a monster), even Tampa. I've said it for a few years now, good teams able to win a few rounds, but that's about it. You can't score, you can't win. We'll see this year. Those teams would never beat LA, Chicago, or Boston, or Pitts last year, no way no how.
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Posted 2016-10-27 6:54 PM (#664763 - in reply to #664760)
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PV29 - 2016-10-27 7:52 PM

This is stupid. Just my opinion, and no surprise to many that I say this.

Holden is a turnover prone softie who shies away from hits. Girardi is one more heavy check away from the IR, and he'll break down as the season goes on. As a group, the defense struggles with physical teams. They've been bailed out by an excellent corps of forwards so far.

If McIlrath goes to an Eastern team and haunts the Rangers I hope it costs AV his job. Stubborn ass just won't change his mindset despite wasting several seasons with very good teams and no Cups.

I'm Hoping an eastern team does pick him up. It would mean that team is just that much weaker. A glorified Eric Cairns isn't helping anyone get better.
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Posted 2016-10-27 7:12 PM (#664764 - in reply to #664740)
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Yeah, they are not loosing Keith. Simply, he is too slow for today's game. The last 2-3 years the game has changed, it has become a game of speed kills & skill.
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Posted 2016-10-27 8:57 PM (#664765 - in reply to #664740)
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Posted 2016-10-28 4:00 AM (#664766 - in reply to #664740)
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This is what happens when you have a thickheaded coach who doesn't value physical play and clearing the crease. Disgrace. Dylan took the high road which is better for him in the long run. Wish he had come out and stated he outplayed half our defense last year and got screwed over by the coach who plays favorites who aren't even playing well.
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Posted 2016-10-28 7:04 AM (#664767 - in reply to #664740)
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Player aside, why was this move even needed? Jooris to IR frees up a roster spot, so they didn't actually have a need to waive him. Something about this is fishy to me. They are not waiving him just to get rid of him.



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Posted 2016-10-28 7:07 AM (#664768 - in reply to #664740)
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On a separate note, this is only more evidence of why you don't draft for need, you draft best available.

(If the Rangers thought McIlrath was the best available at that point then fine, but the point stands - big bruising defensemen have dropped significantly in value since he was drafted.)
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Posted 2016-10-28 8:32 AM (#664769 - in reply to #664767)
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concust - 2016-10-28 9:04 AM


Player aside, why was this move even needed? Jooris to IR frees up a roster spot, so they didn't actually have a need to waive him. Something about this is fishy to me. They are not waiving him just to get rid of him.


The Rangers accumulate cap space by sending him to Hartford.
Since McIlrath is not playing, they are doing him a solid. Either another team picks him up and he gets to play or he goes to Hartford and gets to play. Not playing in game conditions is the worst situation for McIlrath.

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Posted 2016-10-28 8:52 AM (#664770 - in reply to #664740)
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Well if they're going after any of the bigger names, it would seem to be Jacob Trouba. Have been reading this morning that the Ducks are looking to keep their team together and that Despres may be sidelined for the entire season. Trouba though is going to want pretty big money and term to sign, so the Rangers would have to move some salary the other way AND likely Brady Skjei and more in return.
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Posted 2016-10-28 10:04 AM (#664771 - in reply to #664740)
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McIlrath has cleared waivers per Steve Zipay
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Posted 2016-10-28 10:07 AM (#664772 - in reply to #664740)
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Posted 2016-10-28 10:14 AM (#664773 - in reply to #664740)
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I am actually real happy McIlrath cleared. Even though it means no team thinks it was worth the slot... Hopefully he can paly everyday and work those puck decision issues. That is the whole deal ...right reads and simple safe play... When possible lay the wood and keep the crease clear without mercy.
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Posted 2016-10-28 10:20 AM (#664774 - in reply to #664740)
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I'm glad to see he cleared. Go to Hartford be their best defenseman, get your confidence back, and who knows.
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Posted 2016-10-28 10:44 AM (#664775 - in reply to #664769)
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concust - 2016-10-28 9:04 AM


Player aside, why was this move even needed? Jooris to IR frees up a roster spot, so they didn't actually have a need to waive him. Something about this is fishy to me. They are not waiving him just to get rid of him.


The Rangers accumulate cap space by sending him to Hartford.
Since McIlrath is not playing, they are doing him a solid. Either another team picks him up and he gets to play or he goes to Hartford and gets to play. Not playing in game conditions is the worst situation for McIlrath.



Yes but, they don't need the cap space unless there's a trade brewing. That was my implication. Sure they're doing him "a solid" by having him in Hartford playing, but that's not how the Rangers organization works or else they'd have had him in Hartford full time last year instead of playing only 34 NHL games and watching the rest from a press box. They wouldn't lose risking an asset just to do the kid a favor. By waiving him they are fully prepared to let him go. To do what? Save cap space they don't need? Must be a trade in the works. I don't see another explanation. Even if you mean accumulate cap space for the end of the year - he only makes 800k/year, that's not a huge amount to be accumulating and planning for the trade deadline. The season's only just started.

Anyway, I'm glad he cleared, hope he sticks with the organization because depth will be needed for the playoffs.



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Posted 2016-10-28 10:50 AM (#664777 - in reply to #664775)
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concust - 2016-10-28 9:44 AM

Yes but, they don't need the cap space unless there's a trade brewing. That was my implication. Sure they're doing him "a solid" by having him in Hartford playing, but that's not how the Rangers organization works or else they'd have had him in Hartford full time last year instead of playing only 34 NHL games and watching the rest from a press box. They wouldn't lose risking an asset just to do the kid a favor. By waiving him they are fully prepared to let him go. To do what? Save cap space they don't need? Must be a trade in the works. I don't see another explanation. Even if you mean accumulate cap space for the end of the year - he only makes 800k/year, that's not a huge amount to be accumulating and planning for the trade deadline. The season's only just started.

Anyway, I'm glad he cleared, hope he sticks with the organization because depth will be needed for the playoffs.





Not exactly. You realistically want to bank Cap Space if you're not using a guy, or don't intend to use him. Later in the year it gets you more flexibility when you have the space.
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Posted 2016-10-28 10:54 AM (#664779 - in reply to #664766)
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itsmcilrathtime - 2016-10-28 6:00 AM

This is what happens when you have a thickheaded coach who doesn't value physical play and clearing the crease. Disgrace. Dylan took the high road which is better for him in the long run. Wish he had come out and stated he outplayed half our defense last year and got screwed over by the coach who plays favorites who aren't even playing well.

Seems 29 other teams don't value that either.

I get that you and others get all warm and fuzzy over unskilled (yes, he is unskilled), but "tough" hombres (given the current political climate, I thought that was appropriate) just aren't that important anymore.

At some point...in order to play...you gotta be better than the guys in front of you....and he isn't (not even Holden....sorry boys).
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Posted 2016-10-28 10:57 AM (#664780 - in reply to #664775)
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concust - 2016-10-28 12:44 PM

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concust - 2016-10-28 9:04 AM


Player aside, why was this move even needed? Jooris to IR frees up a roster spot, so they didn't actually have a need to waive him. Something about this is fishy to me. They are not waiving him just to get rid of him.


The Rangers accumulate cap space by sending him to Hartford.
Since McIlrath is not playing, they are doing him a solid. Either another team picks him up and he gets to play or he goes to Hartford and gets to play. Not playing in game conditions is the worst situation for McIlrath.



Yes but, they don't need the cap space unless there's a trade brewing. That was my implication. Sure they're doing him "a solid" by having him in Hartford playing, but that's not how the Rangers organization works or else they'd have had him in Hartford full time last year instead of playing only 34 NHL games and watching the rest from a press box. They wouldn't lose risking an asset just to do the kid a favor. By waiving him they are fully prepared to let him go. To do what? Save cap space they don't need? Must be a trade in the works. I don't see another explanation. Even if you mean accumulate cap space for the end of the year - he only makes 800k/year, that's not a huge amount to be accumulating and planning for the trade deadline. The season's only just started.

Anyway, I'm glad he cleared, hope he sticks with the organization because depth will be needed for the playoffs.



I am happy he cleared, too. I thought he played ok 3rd pair minutes last year, but I only watch on TV with a live game or 2. The Rangers have 34 games of NHL video from every angle and so does the rest of the NHL and nobody bit. That should tell us something about McIlrath. He is not an NHL defenseman right now.

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Posted 2016-10-28 11:01 AM (#664782 - in reply to #664777)
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concust - 2016-10-28 9:44 AM

Yes but, they don't need the cap space unless there's a trade brewing. That was my implication. Sure they're doing him "a solid" by having him in Hartford playing, but that's not how the Rangers organization works or else they'd have had him in Hartford full time last year instead of playing only 34 NHL games and watching the rest from a press box. They wouldn't lose risking an asset just to do the kid a favor. By waiving him they are fully prepared to let him go. To do what? Save cap space they don't need? Must be a trade in the works. I don't see another explanation. Even if you mean accumulate cap space for the end of the year - he only makes 800k/year, that's not a huge amount to be accumulating and planning for the trade deadline. The season's only just started.

Anyway, I'm glad he cleared, hope he sticks with the organization because depth will be needed for the playoffs.





Not exactly. You realistically want to bank Cap Space if you're not using a guy, or don't intend to use him. Later in the year it gets you more flexibility when you have the space.


I addressed that - banking 800k is really not that much. Sure it builds up over the course of the year but worth risking losing an asset? Probably not. They could have easily done the same thing last year with multiple players that didn't play, but chose to keep them on the roster instead. The guy makes 150k more than league minimum. You're not really banking that much cap space.

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