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LeetchyMrRanger
Posted 2017-02-03 5:56 AM (#666918 - in reply to #665803)
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Can we have the old Hank from the Buffalo game.
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Mjolnir
Posted 2017-02-03 6:35 AM (#666919 - in reply to #665803)
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Actually (from the accounts I read), that's the new "old" Hank. I didn't get to see much of the game (bowling night and had to run back and forth between bar and alley)...however, I saw this in the article in today's Post:

"The King was aggressive, more on his toes and on top of his crease in challenging shooters than he has been through parts of this unusual season."

This is Henrik at the beginning of his career before Bonehead Benoir had him start playing with his butt in the net. I'm sure I'll be beaten with brickbats by many here for saying this, especially after the career he's had, but I think playing that far back was the direct cause of a lot of the bad goals he became prone to giving up on a regular basis.

Of course, it remains to be see (a) if he can continue to play this way and (b) if the Rangers can beat a good team with the same approach.
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Posted 2017-02-03 6:59 AM (#666920 - in reply to #665803)
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Buffalo may have been his best game of the season
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Posted 2017-02-03 9:10 AM (#666922 - in reply to #666919)
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Mjolnir - 2017-02-03 7:35 AM

Actually (from the accounts I read), that's the new "old" Hank. I didn't get to see much of the game (bowling night and had to run back and forth between bar and alley)...however, I saw this in the article in today's Post:

"The King was aggressive, more on his toes and on top of his crease in challenging shooters than he has been through parts of this unusual season."

This is Henrik at the beginning of his career before Bonehead Benoir had him start playing with his butt in the net. I'm sure I'll be beaten with brickbats by many here for saying this, especially after the career he's had, but I think playing that far back was the direct cause of a lot of the bad goals he became prone to giving up on a regular basis.

Of course, it remains to be see (a) if he can continue to play this way and (b) if the Rangers can beat a good team with the same approach.


Neither approach is better or worse.

If you have a defense that can keep shots to the perimeter and block a lot of shots, playing deep is fine, because you're in better position for home-plate and in-close shots, when the other team gets them.

If you come out and challenge the shooter, you'll stop more clear sight shots but you're depending more heavily on your defense to clear bodies in front so you can cut down the angle and see the shot, and the D has to prevent cross ice passes or else it's a wide open net.

The other major factor is the age/athleticism of the goaltender. If you're younger, more athletic, deeper is fine. If you're older/slower you can't play this way anymore because your reflexes won't bail you out. You have to rely more on positioning/angles but this also means you have to anticipate better. Look at a guy like Felix Potvin, very quick, very athletic, but not a cerebral goaltender. As he aged he didn't have the goaltending IQ, or the size, to compensate.

Also not sure where calling Allaire a bonehead came from - especially when you consider not only his work with Lundqvist, but also with Raanta, Talbot, and Johnson.



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LeetchyMrRanger
Posted 2017-02-07 7:41 PM (#666992 - in reply to #665803)
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Back to being that diff makers.
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LeetchyMrRanger
Posted 2017-02-11 7:34 PM (#667086 - in reply to #665803)
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Guess who is back on track in his old form.
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LeetchyMrRanger
Posted 2017-02-11 7:34 PM (#667087 - in reply to #665803)
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Only Marty & Esposito won 400+ with 1 team.
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LeetchyMrRanger
Posted 2017-02-11 7:47 PM (#667088 - in reply to #665803)
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Maloney says could be the best & most important Rangers of all time. Yes, no cup w/o Mess, but hard to argue with his thoughts. He has carried this team for 11+ seasons.

Mess said Leetch is the greatest Rangers of them all, Leetch may have to move over.
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LeetchyMrRanger
Posted 2017-02-11 7:47 PM (#667089 - in reply to #665803)
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Fastest to 400 ever. I'm surprised he beats Marty.
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Rranger
Posted 2017-02-11 10:56 PM (#667093 - in reply to #665803)
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"Henrik, Henrik, Henrik"
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robstones
Posted 2017-02-12 6:46 AM (#667094 - in reply to #667089)
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LeetchyMrRanger - 2017-02-11 9:47 PM

Fastest to 400 ever. I'm surprised he beats Marty.


Why? The guy is overrated. He has the most wins ever because he played the most games ever, meaning he also has the most losses ever.

Lundqvist now sits 12th all time wins. Of the 11 above him, no one has a better save% By season's end, Lundqvist should easily have sole possession of 9th all time winningest goalie in NHL history.... Somewhere around 412 I say is reasonable by the end of the year.

Next year he should move up to 7th all time in about 100 fewer games played then the goalies he'd be passing

Jacques Plante, Tony Esposito, Glenn Hall, Grant Fuhr, Chris Osgood....

Roberto Luongo has 51 more wins... good enough for 5th all time, but has played 234 more games. Lundqvist should be able to get to that many wins in his next 100 games played.

Is Lundqvist the best of all time? No.... but if he hoists a Cup, he's going to be in that conversation.... it's all he needs


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Posted 2017-02-12 9:51 AM (#667096 - in reply to #665803)
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He was locked in last night. Watching him live is startling when you see how damn quick he is. He was up on his toes, aggressive, hunting the puck instead of just trying to stop it. It was awesome to watch.
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LeetchyMrRanger
Posted 2017-02-12 10:06 AM (#667097 - in reply to #665803)
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Oh come on, I'm no Devils fan, but over rated, geez. Let's not be like other fans of other teams & give credit where credit is due to the greats of this game no matter which team they play.
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Posted 2017-02-12 1:01 PM (#667100 - in reply to #667097)
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LeetchyMrRanger - 2017-02-12 12:06 PM

Oh come on, I'm no Devils fan, but over rated, geez. Let's not be like other fans of other teams & give credit where credit is due to the greats of this game no matter which team they play.


I give credit for his longevity. He was a starting goaltender longer than anyone, and played seemingly every night for years and years. And rightfully so. He was no doubt one of the better puck movers, but the guy got lucky a lot. Out of position with no idea where the puck is, flat on his belly flopping around like a fish.

There's no denying his accomplishments, but I scoff at the idea that he's the best ever.... I remember Pierre touting him as the best PLAYER in all of hockey at one point.... he's overrated IMO

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LeetchyMrRanger
Posted 2017-02-12 3:16 PM (#667101 - in reply to #665803)
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In our generation of goalies, my pic is Roy (80s & on). I started watching in '81. But, I do agree it is these 3 & every one else with Hank right there OR best since those 3, no doubt about that.

http://www.thehockeynews.com/news/article/does-lundqvist-belong-in-...
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robstones
Posted 2017-02-12 6:22 PM (#667102 - in reply to #665803)
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Yeah, Roy was way better than Bordeur. Far and away. Hasek was better than both IMO. Didn't play 1000+ games, or he'd have the wins too. But his save% and goals against average were better. Certainly more fun to watch.

But absolutely Lundqvist's name will be in the conversation when it's all said and done. He needs that Cup, though.
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LeetchyMrRanger
Posted 2017-02-12 7:48 PM (#667103 - in reply to #665803)
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There are a # of greats to never win, it will be a shame if Hank is 1 of them. Some ask for trades to contenders (i.e. Bourque, etc...). It looks like with Hank it is here or bust.
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Posted 2017-02-13 7:09 AM (#667104 - in reply to #665803)
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All-time, I put Brodeur in the top-10. Maybe. To me that's about the point where you could start arguing "yeah but..."

If you look back 30 years, he's in the top 5 easily.

In no way is he the best goaltender ever, nor the best player ever. I struggle to recall even a season or a time where he was the best current player.

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LeetchyMrRanger
Posted 2017-02-13 11:32 AM (#667108 - in reply to #665803)
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All those goalies Rangers drafted early in looking for a Richter replacement. A 7rnd pick turns out to be the replacement & then some. It just shows you again that the draft you never know, like rolling the dice.
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Posted 2017-02-13 12:08 PM (#667110 - in reply to #667108)
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LeetchyMrRanger - 2017-02-13 1:32 PM

All those goalies Rangers drafted early in looking for a Richter replacement. A 7rnd pick turns out to be the replacement & then some. It just shows you again that the draft you never know, like rolling the dice.


Agreed....

Some would even argue that its not a bad idea to trade high draft picks to get what you want....cause most draft picks are a crap shoot.....
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Mjolnir
Posted 2017-02-14 9:43 AM (#667140 - in reply to #666922)
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concust - 2017-02-03 11:10 AM

Also not sure where calling Allaire a bonehead came from - especially when you consider not only his work with Lundqvist, but also with Raanta, Talbot, and Johnson.



I don't believe he actually helped Talbot......the first he does with any goalie is to make him play with his butt in the net...that alone is enough to qualify him as a bonehead.
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Posted 2017-02-14 10:35 AM (#667141 - in reply to #667140)
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Mjolnir - 2017-02-14 11:43 AM

concust - 2017-02-03 11:10 AM

Also not sure where calling Allaire a bonehead came from - especially when you consider not only his work with Lundqvist, but also with Raanta, Talbot, and Johnson.



I don't believe he actually helped Talbot......the first he does with any goalie is to make him play with his butt in the net...that alone is enough to qualify him as a bonehead.

You might not believe he helped Talbot, But I take the word of Talbot who has given him credit
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Mjolnir
Posted 2017-02-14 10:46 AM (#667142 - in reply to #667141)
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ej17 - 2017-02-14 12:35 PM

Mjolnir - 2017-02-14 11:43 AM

concust - 2017-02-03 11:10 AM

Also not sure where calling Allaire a bonehead came from - especially when you consider not only his work with Lundqvist, but also with Raanta, Talbot, and Johnson.



I don't believe he actually helped Talbot......the first he does with any goalie is to make him play with his butt in the net...that alone is enough to qualify him as a bonehead.

You might not believe he helped Talbot, But I take the word of Talbot who has given him credit


I never said to take my word....I just gave my opinion. And I still think it's a bonehead move.

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ej17
Posted 2017-02-14 12:35 PM (#667145 - in reply to #667142)
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Mjolnir - 2017-02-14 12:46 PM

ej17 - 2017-02-14 12:35 PM

Mjolnir - 2017-02-14 11:43 AM

concust - 2017-02-03 11:10 AM

Also not sure where calling Allaire a bonehead came from - especially when you consider not only his work with Lundqvist, but also with Raanta, Talbot, and Johnson.



I don't believe he actually helped Talbot......the first he does with any goalie is to make him play with his butt in the net...that alone is enough to qualify him as a bonehead.

You might not believe he helped Talbot, But I take the word of Talbot who has given him credit


I never said to take my word....I just gave my opinion. And I still think it's a bonehead move.

Never said you did... The Only opinion that counts is the person that he worked with, Talbot.. And he says he helped him..
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LeetchyMrRanger
Posted 2017-03-02 7:48 PM (#667970 - in reply to #665803)
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Back to setting records & breaking records.
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