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concust
Posted 2017-02-03 12:30 PM (#666923)
Subject: Trade Deadline - March 1st - 3pm Eastern



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Posted 2017-02-03 1:16 PM (#666924 - in reply to #666923)
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Posted 2017-02-03 2:10 PM (#666926 - in reply to #666923)
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I'd rather have Ekblad.

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Posted 2017-02-03 3:03 PM (#666927 - in reply to #666923)
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Petr Nedved, Alexei Kovalev and Tom Poti are available.
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Posted 2017-02-03 3:36 PM (#666928 - in reply to #666927)
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In line with previous AV/Gorton acquisitions at the deadline ................... Chris Pronger. Power play help.
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Posted 2017-02-03 4:20 PM (#666929 - in reply to #666923)
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Posted 2017-02-03 8:20 PM (#666930 - in reply to #666926)
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I'd rather have Ekblad.



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Posted 2017-02-04 8:41 AM (#666931 - in reply to #666923)
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Rangers should be sellers. They have shown no ability to beat the best teams and have been embarrassed by them on several occasions. The GM's of this team have been moronic by not selling high on players they have a replacement for. Which is exactly why they should trade Holden who will bring back a ton. He's having a great year, is dirt cheap for this and next season. I posted this on another board. Toronto's defense is horrible. They have 3 second round picks. I would think they can get 2 second rounders and a prospect like Rychel back in a deal. It's a deal they should absolutely make because Graves is ready and IMO he will be better than Skjei who I think is fantastic. Then see if there is someway to trade Nash and not take back a lot of salary.
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Posted 2017-02-04 6:44 PM (#666932 - in reply to #666923)
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The Rangers have until March 1 to figure out if they want to buy or sell. I don't see much buying this year. They cant afford the assets to acquire the so called top end talent. And unless somebody other than Trouba is available, there is no one. Personally I think Shattenkirk is a Wade Redon contractual bust waiting to happen. His present skills totally overblown by acquiring teams total lack of viable options. Unless they can package someone off the dcorp and one of their forwards and get a solid young dman like a Trouba then they are wasting their time. And even if your trading Stephan or Nash your not exactly selling high. Draft picks would have to enter the equation, and the Rangers are not in a position to Do that. Especially since smart money is on a early playoff exit.
That said the Rangers are capable of getting on a roll, and you owe it to the fans to take your swing. Even with quickie on Millers line instead of Buccnevich. Trading arguably their second best defensemen Holden is not the answer in my opinion. They need him badly for his contract length. Getting rid of Klein or Girardi is. And that's the key phrase. "Get rid of" One way or another. Unfortunately not so easy with Girardi so he's here til summer at least. But Klein is moveable and then you bring up Graves and hope your d has been improved. Other teams that don't expect homerun passes every shift, to forwards usually blowing the d zone to soon might make better use of Klein. Unless Gorton pulls a rabbit out of the hat Klein probably the guy to go and not much else.


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robstones
Posted 2017-02-04 7:28 PM (#666933 - in reply to #666923)
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The Rangers would have to try pretty hard to miss the playoffs..... they're going to be in the post season.... They're not selling anything.

I saw an article suggested possibly getting Trouba AND Little in a blockbuster that would include Stepan in the deal plus.... I think they said Sean Day. I wonder if Brady Skjei would do it. A 2 for 2 swap.

Idk how I feel about that.... but it's an interesting proposal.





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Posted 2017-02-04 9:04 PM (#666934 - in reply to #666933)
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robstones - 2017-02-04 6:28 PM

The Rangers would have to try pretty hard to miss the playoffs..... they're going to be in the post season.... They're not selling anything.

I saw an article suggested possibly getting Trouba AND Little in a blockbuster that would include Stepan in the deal plus.... I think they said Sean Day. I wonder if Brady Skjei would do it. A 2 for 2 swap.

Idk how I feel about that.... but it's an interesting proposal.







If somehow the Rangers ended up with McD, Holden, Staal, Skjei, Girardi, Graves and landed Trouba, that's about as much a Grand Slam as Gorton could hope for on D. Girardi is immovable at this time. And if Stephan was the key piece going to Winnipeg it's doable.
That's also assuming Miller replaces Stephan at centre and he's shown the talent is there to do it. He also changes the centre dynamic for the Rangers with some badly needed grit.

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Mjolnir
Posted 2017-02-05 1:16 AM (#666935 - in reply to #666934)
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Rranger - 2017-02-04 11:04 PM

If somehow the Rangers ended up with McD, Holden, Staal, Skjei, Girardi, Graves and landed Trouba, that's about as much a Grand Slam as Gorton could hope for on D. Girardi is immovable at this time. And if Stephan was the key piece going to Winnipeg it's doable.
That's also assuming Miller replaces Stephan at centre and he's shown the talent is there to do it. He also changes the centre dynamic for the Rangers with some badly needed grit.


Considering AV's feelings about Miller, I think the Rangers either sign another #1/1A center or trade for one (and I would bet Miller would be part of that package).
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Rranger
Posted 2017-02-05 6:52 AM (#666936 - in reply to #666935)
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If somehow the Rangers ended up with McD, Holden, Staal, Skjei, Girardi, Graves and landed Trouba, that's about as much a Grand Slam as Gorton could hope for on D. Girardi is immovable at this time. And if Stephan was the key piece going to Winnipeg it's doable.
That's also assuming Miller replaces Stephan at centre and he's shown the talent is there to do it. He also changes the centre dynamic for the Rangers with some badly needed grit.


Considering AV's feelings about Miller, I think the Rangers either sign another #1/1A center or trade for one (and I would bet Miller would be part of that package).



Ya its to bad coach doesn't like the nickname Millsy.
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Posted 2017-02-05 10:51 AM (#666939 - in reply to #666923)
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Absolutely no on trading Miller....Im not keen on dealing picks either.....3 #1's for MSL and Yandle
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Posted 2017-02-05 12:27 PM (#666947 - in reply to #666923)
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Stepan has been a good Ranger, though. It'd be tough to see him go

Trouba would add just about everything you could as for in a defender, though.

And very good point about Miller, I've always liked him at center, and he plays well with Nash/Zuccarello

The article also wonders if they'd go after Vanek to help the PP. Forget what they suggested going the other way, but also interesting
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Posted 2017-02-05 12:53 PM (#666950 - in reply to #666947)
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The thing with Stepan is that he has a nmc which kicks in after this season,so if they are going to move him,now is the time.
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Posted 2017-02-06 10:07 AM (#666967 - in reply to #666923)
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Stepan is underappreciated. Would be a huge mistake to let him go.

I don't want any buying this year. The Calgary game only further confirms what we all know - this team is out-possessed, out-shot, and out-played more nights than not. We're not getting past the second round, and a depth defenseman or another forward, isn't going to change the fundamental makeup of the team.

If they can mask a lateral move and pick up some assets in the deal, or cap flexibility, then I'm all for that. IMO that's the ideal situation. I.e. deal Holden for a depth defenseman and a second round pick or something. Pirri for a 6th and a fringe NHL'er. I don't see any moves bigger than that. Although this is New York...

Please don't give up anything to get Wideman or Iginla.

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Posted 2017-02-06 11:53 AM (#666968 - in reply to #666967)
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concust - 2017-02-06 6:07 PM

We're not getting past the first round, and a depth defenseman or another forward, isn't going to change the fundamental makeup of the team.


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Posted 2017-02-06 6:31 PM (#666969 - in reply to #666968)
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Instead of looking to make another big-name deadline splash, they should be looking to grab a young, tough defenseman who actually plays defense. They have enough firepower up front, and McDonagh/Skjei/Holden are offensive oriented enough for a reasonable power play. They need physical defensemen who play stay at home, tough defense. In other words, small moves that build on the talent here now, which is young enough to build on for a season or two.
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Posted 2017-02-06 6:41 PM (#666971 - in reply to #666923)
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Trouba is all of those things. Young, physical, stay at home, but also makes good passes, and has a hard shot.... and he's a pretty big name. He'd help us in every facet.

McDonagh Trouba

would be one of the top pairs in the league, potentially.

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Posted 2017-02-06 7:25 PM (#666972 - in reply to #666923)
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At what cost? Would they let Trouba go straight up for Fast? In that case, yes. But I suspect that they would want Miller, or Kreider, or Hayes/Vesey, or Buchnevich. In which case, I say "absolutely no ****ing way".
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Posted 2017-02-06 7:41 PM (#666973 - in reply to #666923)
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Personally I don't want to see a Ranger youth or picks for a Iginlia type. Last year the Staal is still a sore spot. Expensive and then wasted by Vigneault. But if Gorton can pull off another Zabenijad for Brassard deal that's the type of trade I'd like to see. A good future based trade without giving up present hope. And a Trouba Stepan type trade fits the bill.
Stepan has been a good Ranger, but I see a guy who has good value on the market, a guy blocking Hayes and Millers accession to top two centre minutes. And a guy who isn't outplaying either one of them. And for 6.5 mill and next year unmoveable it's a no brainer to move him. Especially if another GM likes Stepan enough to send a quality right side dman here in exchange. Stepan in my opinion is another Girardi, Staal contract predicament that has to be avoided.
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Posted 2017-02-07 8:50 AM (#666976 - in reply to #666972)
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PV29 - 2017-02-06 9:25 PM

At what cost? Would they let Trouba go straight up for Fast? In that case, yes. But I suspect that they would want Miller, or Kreider, or Hayes/Vesey, or Buchnevich. In which case, I say "absolutely no ****ing way".


http://fulltiltnyr.com/ranking-potential-new-york-rangers-trade-tar...

What about Stepan and Sean Day or even Brady Skjei, for Trouba and Little?

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Posted 2017-02-07 9:53 AM (#666977 - in reply to #666976)
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PV29 - 2017-02-06 9:25 PM

At what cost? Would they let Trouba go straight up for Fast? In that case, yes. But I suspect that they would want Miller, or Kreider, or Hayes/Vesey, or Buchnevich. In which case, I say "absolutely no ****ing way".


http://fulltiltnyr.com/ranking-potential-new-york-rangers-trade-tar...

What about Stepan and Sean Day or even Brady Skjei, for Trouba and Little?



Why would the Jets make that trade?

Stepan is better than Little but Little is younger and cheaper (2 years 4.5 remaining) than Stepan (5 years 6.5 remaining)

Trouba is better than Skjei now, and has a higher ceiling in the future, and both are the same age.

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Posted 2017-02-07 5:59 PM (#666980 - in reply to #666923)
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Stepan is 3 years younger, and better.

Stepan for Trouba is a wash.... Trouba may have better value

Skjei for Little is a wash, too, but Little is 30 this year

So, The Jets get younger, and improve their Center ice position while still getting a good young defenseman in Skjei

Rangers get better on D, and Little is still a serviceable Center

Trouba wanting out is one less headache to deal with
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Posted 2017-02-07 8:18 PM (#666994 - in reply to #666923)
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The idea is to KEEP the top 9 talent, and Buch, while solidifying a questionable backline. Giving up the most consistent playoff performer over the past three years (Stepan) at the deadline makes no sense. I don't care what his contract is or cap hit is. He's not tradable if you're serious about building a winner.
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Posted 2017-02-08 10:59 AM (#667003 - in reply to #666923)
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Deadline is actually March 1st...corrected the title
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Posted 2017-02-08 12:19 PM (#667004 - in reply to #666923)
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If ever a game illustrated the Rangers’ crying need for a defenseman who can control the puck and lead the way out of the zone, it was this one at the Garden on Tuesday against Anaheim in which the shots and shot attempts at even-strength, 36-18 and 62-33 against, respectively, looked like scores of a Knicks game.

But even with 22 shopping days until the March 1 trade deadline and even though the Rangers own a projected $10.1 million of space, there is really no one on whom general manager Jeff Gorton can spend it.

No one on whom he can responsibly spend it without overpaying in terms of assets that would have to go the other way and with no one on the market worthy of such short-sighted sacrifice, that is.

http://nypost.com/2017/02/08/why-the-rangers-shouldnt-force-a-deal-...
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Posted 2017-02-08 12:58 PM (#667006 - in reply to #667004)
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RANGERNUT - 2017-02-08 11:19 AM

If ever a game illustrated the Rangers’ crying need for a defenseman who can control the puck and lead the way out of the zone, it was this one at the Garden on Tuesday against Anaheim in which the shots and shot attempts at even-strength, 36-18 and 62-33 against, respectively, looked like scores of a Knicks game.

But even with 22 shopping days until the March 1 trade deadline and even though the Rangers own a projected $10.1 million of space, there is really no one on whom general manager Jeff Gorton can spend it.

No one on whom he can responsibly spend it without overpaying in terms of assets that would have to go the other way and with no one on the market worthy of such short-sighted sacrifice, that is.

http://nypost.com/2017/02/08/why-the-rangers-shouldnt-force-a-deal-...




Salary Cap room is an asset. Would be a first if the Rangers took advantage another team needing to clear some space. Maybe not so much at the deadline but possibly over the summer.
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concust
Posted 2017-02-08 3:22 PM (#667007 - in reply to #667003)
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Fish - 2017-02-08 11:59 AM

Deadline is actually March 1st...corrected the title


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concust
Posted 2017-02-08 3:33 PM (#667008 - in reply to #666923)
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OK I think we can all reasonably agree that the forwards are pretty much set. If you acquire a depth forward as a hedge against injury, then great. But to me, no glaring holes up front.

In goal, there's not even a conversation.

On defense, in order to really move the needle on making this team better for the postseason, you need to add a top 4 defenseman, without moving one out. Argue the rankings all you like, but that means to me, as currently constructed, McDonagh, Skjei, Holden, Staal all need to stay. Argue Staal if you want but this year, Klein and Girardi have been worse. So if you can add a (example) Shattenkirk-level defenseman, then yes you have significantly improved your defense because it allows you to basically move a poor defenseman OUT of the lineup in addition to adding a good defenseman. That's a win-win.

Now if you're looking at a depth defenseman, like a Franson or Wideman or similar, which is much more realistic based on the assets we have, that's at best a slight upgrade. Does not make this team a threat overnight. If that's the case then why bother? Just put in Clendening or call up Graves or Bodie. None of those guys is going to be a difference maker either, and you don't have to give up picks to do it. Hell, a Kid running on pure adrenaline because he's making his NHL debut in the playoffs, is going to be worth more than Dennis Wideman tooling around for 15 minutes a night while wondering if Morimoto has an opening for the next night.

Unless this team can flat out rip someone off in a deal we're best served by standing pat. Did adding Staal really matter? Did adding Yandle really matter? Do you think Franson is going to?
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Posted 2017-02-09 5:54 AM (#667010 - in reply to #666923)
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While what WE say makes sense to us, may not make sense to management. What they do depends on whether they consider this team Cup material and, if so, do they go for it.
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Posted 2017-02-09 6:07 AM (#667011 - in reply to #667008)
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OK I think we can all reasonably agree that the forwards are pretty much set. If you acquire a depth forward as a hedge against injury, then great. But to me, no glaring holes up front.

In goal, there's not even a conversation.

On defense, in order to really move the needle on making this team better for the postseason, you need to add a top 4 defenseman, without moving one out. Argue the rankings all you like, but that means to me, as currently constructed, McDonagh, Skjei, Holden, Staal all need to stay. Argue Staal if you want but this year, Klein and Girardi have been worse. So if you can add a (example) Shattenkirk-level defenseman, then yes you have significantly improved your defense because it allows you to basically move a poor defenseman OUT of the lineup in addition to adding a good defenseman. That's a win-win.

Now if you're looking at a depth defenseman, like a Franson or Wideman or similar, which is much more realistic based on the assets we have, that's at best a slight upgrade. Does not make this team a threat overnight. If that's the case then why bother? Just put in Clendening or call up Graves or Bodie. None of those guys is going to be a difference maker either, and you don't have to give up picks to do it. Hell, a Kid running on pure adrenaline because he's making his NHL debut in the playoffs, is going to be worth more than Dennis Wideman tooling around for 15 minutes a night while wondering if Morimoto has an opening for the next night.

Unless this team can flat out rip someone off in a deal we're best served by standing pat. Did adding Staal really matter? Did adding Yandle really matter? Do you think Franson is going to?


Let me get an AMEN, Hallelujah!!
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Posted 2017-02-09 7:12 AM (#667012 - in reply to #667010)
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Mjolnir - 2017-02-09 6:54 AM

While what WE say makes sense to us, may not make sense to management. What they do depends on whether they consider this team Cup material and, if so, do they go for it.


Pretty sure management's priority at this point is maximizing playoff revenue versus winning a cup. Which at least is a much more realistic goal.
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Posted 2017-02-09 7:47 AM (#667013 - in reply to #667008)
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On defense, in order to really move the needle on making this team better for the postseason, you need to add a top 4 defenseman, without moving one out. Argue the rankings all you like, but that means to me, as currently constructed, McDonagh, Skjei, Holden, Staal all need to stay. Argue Staal if you want but this year, Klein and Girardi have been worse. So if you can add a (example) Shattenkirk-level defenseman, then yes you have significantly improved your defense because it allows you to basically move a poor defenseman OUT of the lineup in addition to adding a good defenseman. That's a win-win.

I say stand pat, because if Rangers were to get a Shattenkirk type, AV is more likely to sit Skjei than either Klein or Girardi, no matter how little sense that makes. He hasn't really rested either one of them all season despite saying early on that that was the plan to keep them fresh
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