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concust
Posted 2017-02-24 8:50 AM (#667386 - in reply to #666923)
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Oh yes they'll rethink their asking price if he's only going to be a rental. They'll get a lot less obviously but only they can decide if it's "enough".

For the sake of argument let's say his rental-only price turns out to be a second and third round pick. At that point if you're STL do you take that, and lose Shattenkirk for your playoff run? It would definitely not only hurt your playoff run, but it would also send a signal to fans, players, media, etc that you're not really making a serious run. And if you're not making a serious run, shouldn't you just sell off a bunch of other assets at the same time? At that point, wouldn't they just keep him?

I think they probably would. I also think Shattenkirk even as rental would fetch a higher price than that. If they can get a First and a third or something like that, it may be enough for St Louis to justify moving him. Less than a first (or a good prospect) and I don't think they bother moving him.
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Posted 2017-02-24 9:07 AM (#667387 - in reply to #666923)
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Which is why something like what I suggested could work. Nash and Klein for Shattenkirik and Upshall.

St. Louis gets an upgrade to their top 6 and a solid veteran defender to still try to make a run. If Nash is at a discount, he is more easily traded.... Klein can be traded by St. Louis too at the draft... So, St. Louis stays competitive now, and get the option to trade for future assets too.

Rangers get McDonagh Shattenkirk as their top D pair for the next handful of years, and add some toughness to round out that 4th line.
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concust
Posted 2017-02-24 10:02 AM (#667388 - in reply to #666923)
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McKenzie reporting Armstrong is looking for a first round pick, a top prospect, plus something else for Shattenkirk. (As a rental, not under contract)

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concust
Posted 2017-02-24 10:05 AM (#667389 - in reply to #666923)
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Dreger speculating the price is too high for NYR, who he says are looking at Brendan Smith instead.

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Rangerjunkie
Posted 2017-02-24 10:54 AM (#667390 - in reply to #666923)
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What do you think of Pirri for Pateryn from Montreal? He's young and inexpensive and a right handed defenseman. He also has a corsi rating of 63.1 a lot higher than any of our defensemen. He's also 6'3 and 226. Maybe he can replace Klein and the Rangers could move Klein in a package for something else.
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Posted 2017-02-24 11:26 AM (#667392 - in reply to #667389)
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concust - 2017-02-24 9:05 AM

Dreger speculating the price is too high for NYR, who he says are looking at Brendan Smith instead.



Well Smith doesn't seem like he'd be worth the price for a player at the trade deadline....2nd pair, left-handed d-man that isn't overly physical
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RANGERNUT
Posted 2017-02-24 11:55 AM (#667394 - in reply to #666923)
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Updates on the Kevin Shattenkirk situation
12:08PM 2/24/14

2/24/17 | 12:06PM: Elliotte Friedman was on the radio today and talked about the feeling that certain NHL people have that Shattenkirk wants to play for the Rangers and that they are his number one choice this offseason. (Nichols)

He said that Shattenkirk likely turned down a potential contract extension with Tampa Bay because the Rangers are his top choice and the Bruins are his second choice. (Nichols)

10:03AM: Dreger reports that the Rangers have talked with St. Louis about Kevin Shattenkirk but that the price is too high. (TSN 1050)

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RANGERNUT
Posted 2017-02-24 11:57 AM (#667395 - in reply to #666923)
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Dan Girardi and Kevin Klein are not practicing today
1:17PM 2/24/17

Hmmm, Coincidence ? Maybe ...... Maybe not !

The Rangers have announced that Dan Girardi and Kevin Klein are not practicing today and that both have been given maintenance days. (NYR)

Klein missed yesterday's game after tweaking his back during the morning skate.

Last night, Girardi played 18:51, had one shot on goal, 1 shot attempt that was blocked, 2 hits, 1 giveaway and 3 blocked shots.

He played 5:35 in the first, 6:12 in the second and 7:10 in the third.

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concust
Posted 2017-02-24 12:08 PM (#667396 - in reply to #667390)
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Rangerjunkie - 2017-02-24 11:54 AM

What do you think of Pirri for Pateryn from Montreal? He's young and inexpensive and a right handed defenseman. He also has a corsi rating of 63.1 a lot higher than any of our defensemen. He's also 6'3 and 226. Maybe he can replace Klein and the Rangers could move Klein in a package for something else.


I like Pateryn, but he'd be inexpensive insurance. Bottom pair guy, black ace. Don't think he's 1:1 replacing anyone in our lineup, including Girardi or Klein. (realistically)

Not to say he couldn't be more - but he is currently not a consistent, regular, NHL defenseman. He's a hedge against injury.

I wouldn't want to move Pirri to Montreal and then have to face him in the playoffs.
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concust
Posted 2017-02-24 12:08 PM (#667397 - in reply to #667392)
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Fish - 2017-02-24 12:26 PM

concust - 2017-02-24 9:05 AM

Dreger speculating the price is too high for NYR, who he says are looking at Brendan Smith instead.



Well Smith doesn't seem like he'd be worth the price for a player at the trade deadline....2nd pair, left-handed d-man that isn't overly physical


Sounds like exactly what NYR get at the deadline, an asset they don't really need that they don't know what to do with.

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Mikey Red
Posted 2017-02-24 1:19 PM (#667398 - in reply to #667397)
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Duchense and or Landeskog....Or do nothing...there's nothing out there
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Mandar
Posted 2017-02-24 2:09 PM (#667399 - in reply to #667398)
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Mikey Red - 2017-02-24 3:19 PM

Duchense and or Landeskog....Or do nothing...there's nothing out there


makes no sense for us....lineup-wise or $$ wise.
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Posted 2017-02-24 2:11 PM (#667400 - in reply to #666923)
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Dallas Stars trade RW Patrick Eaves to Anaheim for conditional second-round pick in 2017.
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Mikey Red
Posted 2017-02-24 2:31 PM (#667401 - in reply to #667399)
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Mandar - 2017-02-24 2:09 PM

Mikey Red - 2017-02-24 3:19 PM

Duchense and or Landeskog....Or do nothing...there's nothing out there


makes no sense for us....lineup-wise or $$ wise.


I would explore it and send Stepan and Zib outta here in a heartbeat
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Mikey Red
Posted 2017-02-24 2:33 PM (#667402 - in reply to #666923)
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Stepan, Zib, Pirri, Buch and Sherskin for Duchense and Landeskog..........Without blinking
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Mikey Red
Posted 2017-02-24 2:44 PM (#667403 - in reply to #666923)
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The fact that Patrick Eaves to Anaheim is "breaking news" on NHL is comical
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robstones
Posted 2017-02-24 7:10 PM (#667404 - in reply to #666923)
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Jurco to Chicago for a 3rd round pick?

Eklund says Brendan Smith from Detroit is headed our way

Only othee thing in the rumor mill is Shattenkirk.... the asking price is reportedly

1st round pick
Young nhl defenseman
and a prospect

Makes me wonder if Brady Skjei for Shattenkirk with add ons is a possibility


McDonagh Shattenkirk
Holden Girardi
Staal Klein


IS pretty solid looking... tempting depending on how much more past Skjei it would take

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Mikey Red
Posted 2017-02-24 7:24 PM (#667405 - in reply to #667404)
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robstones - 2017-02-24 7:10 PM

Jurco to Chicago for a 3rd round pick?

Eklund says Brendan Smith from Detroit is headed our way

Only othee thing in the rumor mill is Shattenkirk.... the asking price is reportedly

1st round pick
Young nhl defenseman
and a prospect

Makes me wonder if Brady Skjei for Shattenkirk with add ons is a possibility


McDonagh Shattenkirk
Holden Girardi
Staal Klein


IS pretty solid looking... tempting depending on how much more past Skjei it would take


Absolutely no way on Earth the Rangers should even think about it....When you can get him for free July 1....This team cannot afford to deal draft picks any longer
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Posted 2017-02-24 8:04 PM (#667406 - in reply to #667405)
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Mikey Red - 2017-02-24 9:24 PM

robstones - 2017-02-24 7:10 PM

Jurco to Chicago for a 3rd round pick?

Eklund says Brendan Smith from Detroit is headed our way

Only othee thing in the rumor mill is Shattenkirk.... the asking price is reportedly

1st round pick
Young nhl defenseman
and a prospect

Makes me wonder if Brady Skjei for Shattenkirk with add ons is a possibility


McDonagh Shattenkirk
Holden Girardi
Staal Klein


IS pretty solid looking... tempting depending on how much more past Skjei it would take


Absolutely no way on Earth the Rangers should even think about it....When you can get him for free July 1....This team cannot afford to deal draft picks any longer


And then Boston trades for him instead.... The Rangers can get him for free in July, only if he makes it to free agency.
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Mikey Red
Posted 2017-02-24 8:13 PM (#667407 - in reply to #667406)
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Im 1000% fine with that...We dont need him or his 7 mil per either.....Keith Yandle all over again...I def dont want to give Skjei up and draft picks is a non starter....It is well known the the Rangers have among the worst prospect pools in the NHL
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Mikey Red
Posted 2017-02-24 8:25 PM (#667409 - in reply to #666923)
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Go for the Colorado boys or do nothing.....no more Ryan Callahan and 2 #1's for an artifact....or Keith Yandle deals...Mike Ridley and Kelly Miller for Bobby Carpenter....Giving away Doug Weight, Tony Amonte, Todd Marchant, Mattias Nordstrom...the list goes on. Its time to dedicate building the future through the draft.
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Posted 2017-02-25 6:57 AM (#667410 - in reply to #667409)
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I think maybe it's underestimated what exactly Kevin Shattenkirk brings to the table. We're talking about top 5 offensive defenseman in the league. He has pretty good size, and strength. He's by no means a crease clearer, but he plays with a bit of an edge. 7 of his 11 goals this season have come on the power play, only Shea Weber has more. Only Victor Hedman has more power play points.

It goes
Brent Burns
Erik Karlsson
Victor Hedman
Kevin Shattenkirk
Duncan Keith

As you top 5 scoring defensemen this year in the league.

If we're talking about a 7 year contract, yes that takes him to 35 years old.... Ducan Keith is 33, and still scoring same as he ever was. Maybe we'll be worried about the deal 5 years from now, but there are ways to get out of it down the line.

Till then, The Rangers would be sporting 2 of the top American born defenders in the league till at least the rest of McDonaghs contract. In their prime.

But then you look at what you have right now. Your shot at winning a Stanley Cup this year. What's missing? A little more physicality would be nice.... maybe they can add that in another deal.... but the power play needs help. Maybe it's Arniels fault, but Shattenkirk would be adding one of the top power play offensive defensmen in the league. A right handed shot on the point. That would change the landscape of both units.

The Rangers have one of the better PKs in the league. Tied for 3rd best goal differential in the league. And 5th place in the NHL leading up to the deadline. An improved power play makes this team that much better. It makes them a true contender.

They owe it to Lundqvist to go for it. And Lundqvist will be hungry to win.

St. Louis isn't going to lose Shattenkirk for nothing. And The Rangers are becoming their only choice, with Shattenkirk holding the cards as to where he wants to be.

That said, the asking price for Shattenkirk is deservedly high. The Rangers are going to have to give up assets, but in the end, he makes this team better
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Posted 2017-02-25 7:37 AM (#667411 - in reply to #666923)
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All that said, I'd still rather have Trouba
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Mikey Red
Posted 2017-02-25 7:50 AM (#667412 - in reply to #667411)
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I agree... I would explore Trouba vs Shattenkirk...He's going to be expensive too and we dont have many young D men to send back
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Mikey Red
Posted 2017-02-25 7:54 AM (#667413 - in reply to #667412)
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And there is very little to nothing in Hartford
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Mandar
Posted 2017-02-25 8:14 AM (#667414 - in reply to #667411)
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robstones - 2017-02-25 9:37 AM

All that said, I'd still rather have Trouba

Ekblad is gonna get jealous.
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Mikey Red
Posted 2017-02-25 8:37 AM (#667415 - in reply to #666923)
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Florida has gotten its act together possibly...I doubt they will give us Ekblad lol. Callahan and Yandle trades cost us 3 #1 draft picks...and we have nothing to show for those trades....Luckily Duclair is in the minors so we arent completely getting our ass kicked on that trade...This is the where management has gotten us to today...So what do we do? Chicago wins the cup every other year and then dismantles the team....We just dismantle our teams and win nothing...Draft Draft Draft add a piece here n there...2014 Finals I wish we had Callahan, Duby and Artie on that team
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Posted 2017-02-25 9:35 AM (#667416 - in reply to #666923)
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Interesting article about Shattenkirk and his "news article" defensive deficiencies. Matheson has a pretty good reputation, and its a good read.

http://www.edmontonsun.com/2017/02/24/edmonton-oilers-had-looked-at...
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Mikey Red
Posted 2017-02-25 9:40 AM (#667417 - in reply to #666923)
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No way Im interested...7 mil per...and an albatross contract that would come with him...along with parting with assets...Wade Redden, Keith Yandle all over again
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Posted 2017-02-25 9:58 AM (#667418 - in reply to #666923)
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We got out of the Wade Redden contract, and bought two draft picks with Yandle..... Duclair doesn't even play anymore.....
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Posted 2017-02-25 7:04 PM (#667466 - in reply to #666923)
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Not long time ago people here were upset when I have suggested a Yandle trade before he left for nothing.Now a rental guy from STL for everything that we have left with for the future.Skjel,Miller are our future.
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Posted 2017-02-25 7:16 PM (#667467 - in reply to #666923)
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Scouts at Montreal/Toronto game tonight..... Matt Martin would be sweet for that 4th line
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Mikey Red
Posted 2017-02-26 9:48 AM (#667468 - in reply to #667467)
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From Brooksie today.....The Rangers have gone big at each of the past four deadlines, trading three first-rounders, four second-rounders, a world-class sniper (Marian Gaborik), a captain on an expiring contract (Ryan Callahan) and two prospects (Anthony Duclair and Aleksi Saarela) for Derick Brassard, Derek Dorsett, Ryane Clowe, Marty St. Louis, Keith Yandle and Eric Staal. (John Moore came and went in separate transactions.)

Clendening brings some offense but he is scary defensively
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Posted 2017-02-26 4:36 PM (#667491 - in reply to #666923)
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Bishop to L A

Hearing if deal gets done, Kings get Ben Bishop and pick and TB Lightning would receive Erik Cernak, Budaj and pick #TSN From Aaron Ward.
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Posted 2017-02-26 4:37 PM (#667492 - in reply to #666923)
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Kings get Bishop and a pick

Tampa gets Budaj, Cernak, and a pick
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