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Rranger
Posted 2017-02-26 5:16 PM (#667515 - in reply to #666923)
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The Arizona Coyotes have traded F Martin Hanzal, F Ryan White and a 2017 4th round pick to the Minnesota Wild for a 2017 1st round pick, 2018 2nd round pick and 2019 conditional pick.

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concust
Posted 2017-02-27 6:58 AM (#667538 - in reply to #667404)
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robstones - 2017-02-24 8:10 PM

Makes me wonder if Brady Skjei for Shattenkirk with add ons is a possibility

McDonagh Shattenkirk
Holden Girardi
Staal Klein

IS pretty solid looking... tempting depending on how much more past Skjei it would take


Are you insane? Holden, Girardi, Staal, Klein as 2/3 of your defense? The only way that would work is if McDonagh/Shattenkirk play 35 min a night.
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Mjolnir
Posted 2017-02-27 7:49 AM (#667539 - in reply to #666923)
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I sincerely hope Shattenkirk gets traded quickly so people can put down the pipes and come back to reality.

Rangers would be stupid to make yet another rental deal. And I wouldn't count on signing him in the off season either -- giving him 7 years for $7M per is asinine (that's the rumored going rate, not my numbers).



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concust
Posted 2017-02-27 8:04 AM (#667540 - in reply to #666923)
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"New York Rangers: If it only costs you a first and JT Miller to get Kevin Shattenkirk, that’s a trade you make every time."
-Ryan Lambert

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/what-we-learned-st-louis-blues-bungle-...


I think they would be crazy to trade away Miller and first for Shattenkirk. I wouldn't even make that deal straight up. He's 23 and leading the team in scoring. As good as Shattenkirk is, the back half of a long term deal at his age, is going to be iffy. No way I trade Miller AND a first.
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Rranger
Posted 2017-02-27 8:06 AM (#667541 - in reply to #666923)
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Skjei's game at this point in time has the potential to possibly pass Shattenkirk's overall game, in 2 years Skjei very well could be the better all round player. It would be a terrible move to include Skjei in a trade for Shattenkirk.
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Mikey Red
Posted 2017-02-27 8:15 AM (#667543 - in reply to #667539)
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Mjolnir - 2017-02-27 7:49 AM

I sincerely hope Shattenkirk gets traded quickly so people can put down the pipes and come back to reality.

Rangers would be stupid to make yet another rental deal. And I wouldn't count on signing him in the off season either -- giving him 7 years for $7M per is asinine (that's the rumored going rate, not my numbers).



100% agree...We dont need him
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Mikey Red
Posted 2017-02-27 8:16 AM (#667544 - in reply to #667540)
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concust - 2017-02-27 8:04 AM

"New York Rangers: If it only costs you a first and JT Miller to get Kevin Shattenkirk, that’s a trade you make every time."
-Ryan Lambert

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/what-we-learned-st-louis-blues-bungle-...


I think they would be crazy to trade away Miller and first for Shattenkirk. I wouldn't even make that deal straight up. He's 23 and leading the team in scoring. As good as Shattenkirk is, the back half of a long term deal at his age, is going to be iffy. No way I trade Miller AND a first.


Gorton should get fired if he does that.
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Mandar
Posted 2017-02-27 8:51 AM (#667546 - in reply to #667544)
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Mikey Red - 2017-02-27 10:16 AM

concust - 2017-02-27 8:04 AM

"New York Rangers: If it only costs you a first and JT Miller to get Kevin Shattenkirk, that’s a trade you make every time."
-Ryan Lambert

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/what-we-learned-st-louis-blues-bungle-...


I think they would be crazy to trade away Miller and first for Shattenkirk. I wouldn't even make that deal straight up. He's 23 and leading the team in scoring. As good as Shattenkirk is, the back half of a long term deal at his age, is going to be iffy. No way I trade Miller AND a first.


Gorton should get fired if he does that.


Lambert is the Yahoo version of Dump. I would bet that he has no idea how JT Miller has played, or anything about his game.

We are not trading for Shatt....but you can bet he will sign here in the off season.
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robstones
Posted 2017-02-27 8:58 AM (#667547 - in reply to #666923)
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Miller is completely off the table.
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Posted 2017-02-27 9:22 AM (#667550 - in reply to #667217)
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This month's games against playoff teams:

3 wins, 4 losses so far.

Remaining games against playoff teams before deadline is:

Caps 2/28

No big deals should be made, this team will get past round 1 if they get the crossover series with the Atlantic division winner. Beyond that it doesn't look promising. No reason to mortgage young promising players like Buch or Skjei in a futile attempt to chase a Cup.
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Andy Bathgate
Posted 2017-02-27 9:50 AM (#667551 - in reply to #666923)
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At the present moment I think the odds of the Rangers beating the Pens, Caps or CBJs in a 7 game series are pretty slim. Mainly because I don't think Hank can steal a series for us any longer.

What kind of a trade can better our odds, without screwing with the future? I say screw with trying to win one with Hank, and start looking beyond him.

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Mjolnir
Posted 2017-02-27 9:55 AM (#667552 - in reply to #667546)
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Mandar - 2017-02-27 10:51 AM

Mikey Red - 2017-02-27 10:16 AM

concust - 2017-02-27 8:04 AM

"New York Rangers: If it only costs you a first and JT Miller to get Kevin Shattenkirk, that’s a trade you make every time."
-Ryan Lambert

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/what-we-learned-st-louis-blues-bungle-...


I think they would be crazy to trade away Miller and first for Shattenkirk. I wouldn't even make that deal straight up. He's 23 and leading the team in scoring. As good as Shattenkirk is, the back half of a long term deal at his age, is going to be iffy. No way I trade Miller AND a first.


Gorton should get fired if he does that.


Lambert is the Yahoo version of Dump. I would bet that he has no idea how JT Miller has played, or anything about his game.

We are not trading for Shatt....but you can bet he will sign here in the off season.
Sorry...I don't see Gorton signing Shattenkirk to contract similar to the Girardi/Staal mistakes.
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Mjolnir
Posted 2017-02-27 9:56 AM (#667553 - in reply to #667540)
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concust - 2017-02-27 10:04 AM

"New York Rangers: If it only costs you a first and JT Miller to get Kevin Shattenkirk, that’s a trade you make every time."
-Ryan Lambert

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/what-we-learned-st-louis-blues-bungle-...


I think they would be crazy to trade away Miller and first for Shattenkirk. I wouldn't even make that deal straight up. He's 23 and leading the team in scoring. As good as Shattenkirk is, the back half of a long term deal at his age, is going to be iffy. No way I trade Miller AND a first.


One has to remember that JT is not on the top of AV's favorite players list...don't even think he's on it. If AV says he has to go, he's gone.
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Mikey Red
Posted 2017-02-27 10:49 AM (#667554 - in reply to #667553)
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This team needs more JT's not less...We need to speed, skill, and attitude out there
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Mikey Red
Posted 2017-02-27 10:51 AM (#667555 - in reply to #666923)
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Marc Staal is only 30 now and hes almost shot....Cant get into another contract like that with Shatt
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concust
Posted 2017-02-27 11:48 AM (#667556 - in reply to #666923)
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The only similarity between Staal and Shattenkirk are they both play defense. And even that is up for debate.

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Posted 2017-02-27 12:15 PM (#667557 - in reply to #666923)
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Patrick Eaves to the Ducks, for second round pick.

Pretty good deal for a 20+ goal guy.
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Posted 2017-02-27 12:24 PM (#667558 - in reply to #666923)
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Jurco to the Blackhawks for a third round pick, in a rare CHI-DET trade.

Not a typical deadline deal, Jurco has no points and has been very underwhelming. But he's young and has been mishandled in his time with the Wings.

Probably worth about a third round pick, he has great tools if the Hawks get him on track, if he's beyond repair then you've only lost a third, which probably wouldn't have panned out anyway.
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robstones
Posted 2017-02-27 1:18 PM (#667559 - in reply to #666923)
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Nothing final, but sounds like Brian Boyle is going to Toronto

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concust
Posted 2017-02-27 2:15 PM (#667560 - in reply to #666923)
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Sens finalizing deal for Alex Burrows which means he's not coming here! Successful trade deadline!
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Posted 2017-02-27 2:17 PM (#667561 - in reply to #666923)
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Jordie Benn for Greg Pateryn, plus swap of picks. Good trade for both teams, Montreal gains a more experienced D for playoffs, Dallas gets a younger guy with some upside.

Jamie Benn gets to have just "Benn" on the back of his jersey again.
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Mjolnir
Posted 2017-02-27 2:19 PM (#667562 - in reply to #667560)
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concust - 2017-02-27 4:15 PM

Sens finalizing deal for Alex Burrows which means he's not coming here! Successful trade deadline!
Not yet...there are rumors that Shane Doan is not happy with the trade Yotes made and he could now be on the move......
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Rranger
Posted 2017-02-27 2:56 PM (#667563 - in reply to #666923)
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I don't think the Rangers are losing any sleep over anyone traded so far. And are probably happy to have Bishop and Boyle gone from Tampa with no immediate help returning to them.

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Mikey Red
Posted 2017-02-27 7:42 PM (#667564 - in reply to #667563)
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Shattenkirk to Caps! Hoo-ray!
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Mikey Red
Posted 2017-02-27 7:42 PM (#667565 - in reply to #666923)
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Now go get the Colorado boys!
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robstones
Posted 2017-02-27 7:52 PM (#667568 - in reply to #666923)
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Caps paid a 1st round pick a 2nd round pick and a prospect....
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Mikey Red
Posted 2017-02-27 7:53 PM (#667569 - in reply to #666923)
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Now we know what corner to dump it in on them
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robstones
Posted 2017-02-27 7:55 PM (#667570 - in reply to #666923)
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Time to get Trouba
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Mikey Red
Posted 2017-02-27 7:58 PM (#667571 - in reply to #666923)
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Trouba yes...Shatt...no way
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Rranger
Posted 2017-02-27 10:27 PM (#667572 - in reply to #666923)
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That's good for the Rangers. It will look real bad if Washington doesn't at least make he finals and Washington losing picks is also a good thing. And for nothing after this season because Shattenkirk will sign with the Rangers after the expansion draft.
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Posted 2017-02-28 3:31 AM (#667573 - in reply to #667565)
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Mikey Red - 2017-02-28 3:42 AM

Now go get the Colorado boys!


Yeah, Duchene for Step, + ... and may Landeskog for Zucc, + .... would be great.
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Posted 2017-02-28 6:51 AM (#667574 - in reply to #667570)
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robstones - 2017-02-27 7:55 PM

Time to get Trouba


To get Trouba would probably mean giving up JT Miller
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robstones
Posted 2017-02-28 7:13 AM (#667575 - in reply to #667574)
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Rangerjunkie - 2017-02-28 8:51 AM

robstones - 2017-02-27 7:55 PM

Time to get Trouba


To get Trouba would probably mean giving up JT Miller


Or Skjei
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concust
Posted 2017-02-28 7:23 AM (#667576 - in reply to #666923)
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Shattenkirk was the only player available who would have made a perceptible difference to the Rangers' playoff run. Having said that, I am not upset that he's gone to Washington, I would not have paid that price for him.

Also glad it happened on the early side of the deadline. This gives the Rangers time to answer a few questions.

1) Barring a surprise blockbuster, there's only really depth talent available out there. That's not enough to win us a Cup, let alone push us into another playoff round. Anyone you get now, i.e. Franson, Smith, even a middle-6 forward, is not a difference maker. I would not give up assets to get anyone at this point.

2) A decision has to be made, in the next 2 days, on Grabner. Is he a core part of this team or not? My feeling is no, and that we should sell high on him. He's a 26 goal, under-30, under contract for another year, and is cheap as dirt. If Hanzal , a third line center, is worth a high first round pick and two seconds, what could we return for Grabner?

You also have to ask yourself if you see Grabner's stint with the Rangers as a building block to a new contract for him, or if he's really here long term. Let's say he stays with NYR and scores, 20 more goals next year. Then he's UFA, 30 years old, probably 50 goals in the past 2 seasons combined, how much is a team going to (over) pay for that? Does NYR want that?

I would be really interested in his value right now. If a team offers us a Hanzal package you have to do it, especially with the expansion draft looming. You don't have to protect draft picks.

3) It's fun to make fun of Ovechkin and the Caps, but he's a great player and deserves a Cup. He plays a hard, power game, will run right over you to get the puck, doesn't whine like crybaby (you know who i'm talking about) and is arguably the best goal scorer of the past 30 years. Was happy for Kessel to have won last year in spite of the team he was on, I have no problem with Russian Machine hoisting the cup. Their window is closing.

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concust
Posted 2017-02-28 7:24 AM (#667577 - in reply to #667575)
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robstones - 2017-02-28 8:13 AM

Rangerjunkie - 2017-02-28 8:51 AM

robstones - 2017-02-27 7:55 PM

Time to get Trouba


To get Trouba would probably mean giving up JT Miller


Or Skjei


As reluctant as I would be to do it, I'd sooner give up Miller.
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