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Fish
Posted 2017-02-09 9:09 AM (#667014 - in reply to #666931)
Subject: Re: Trade Deadline - Feb 28



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itsmcilrathtime - 2017-02-04 7:41 AM

They have shown no ability to beat the best teams and have been embarrassed by them on several occasions.


Against the other teams ranked in the top 10, the Rangers are 8-7-0 this season....that's a long way from "no ability"
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Posted 2017-02-09 10:27 AM (#667015 - in reply to #666931)
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itsmcilrathtime - 2017-02-04 10:41 AM

Rangers should be sellers. They have shown no ability to beat the best teams and have been embarrassed by them on several occasions.

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concust
Posted 2017-02-09 10:54 AM (#667016 - in reply to #667013)
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concust - 2017-02-08 5:33 PM

On defense, in order to really move the needle on making this team better for the postseason, you need to add a top 4 defenseman, without moving one out. Argue the rankings all you like, but that means to me, as currently constructed, McDonagh, Skjei, Holden, Staal all need to stay. Argue Staal if you want but this year, Klein and Girardi have been worse. So if you can add a (example) Shattenkirk-level defenseman, then yes you have significantly improved your defense because it allows you to basically move a poor defenseman OUT of the lineup in addition to adding a good defenseman. That's a win-win.

I say stand pat, because if Rangers were to get a Shattenkirk type, AV is more likely to sit Skjei than either Klein or Girardi, no matter how little sense that makes. He hasn't really rested either one of them all season despite saying early on that that was the plan to keep them fresh


Yeah that's the other issue I didn't even bring up. Even if we get a guy (not advocating for Shattenkirk btw) there's no reason to think AV will utilize him properly. Yandle was misused. Eric Staal was misused. Like you said Skjei will be the odd man out or Holden. Girardi, Klein, Staal's utilization is not going to drastically change.

I'm just glad that we've played 3 rookies all year long. When was the last time that happened? Thinking back to as long as I've followed the Rangers (30+ years) I can't remember the last time that happened. Early 90's maybe, Weight, Amonte, Marchant?
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itsmcilrathtime
Posted 2017-02-09 12:27 PM (#667017 - in reply to #667014)
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Fish - 2017-02-09 9:09 AM

itsmcilrathtime - 2017-02-04 7:41 AM

They have shown no ability to beat the best teams and have been embarrassed by them on several occasions.


Against the other teams ranked in the top 10, the Rangers are 8-7-0 this season....that's a long way from "no ability"



Teams ranked 5 to 10 are not the best teams. My calculations say they are 3-6 vs the top teams. Would be 2-7 if not for playing Columbus backup who stunk in a 5-4 win. The top teams are Pitt, Washington, Minnesota and Montreal. Everybody else is a pretender. So, as I said, they have shown no ability to beat the best teams and have been embarrassed by them on several occassions.
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Posted 2017-02-09 12:55 PM (#667019 - in reply to #666923)
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Hopefully the team can remain healthy and we can see how they perform against top teams then. It's difficult to measure when you are comparing teams with health and schedule issues.
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Ridley18
Posted 2017-02-09 1:20 PM (#667020 - in reply to #666923)
Subject: Re: Trade Deadline - March 1st - 3pm Eastern


Must make move on defense--I actually think we need 2 defenseman. This core defensive group gets us TO round 1---That is it! I would trade for Trouba and sign Shattenkirk after season. The only untouchables in my opinion are Buuuuch and Vesey. Just dont give up too much for Trouba and we'll be fine. We have to trade Grabs I'm guessing because we will lose him at expasion draft--so do Grabs and Klein for Trouba!
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Posted 2017-02-09 1:32 PM (#667022 - in reply to #667020)
Subject: Re: Trade Deadline - March 1st - 3pm Eastern



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Ridley18 - 2017-02-09 1:20 PM

Must make move on defense--I actually think we need 2 defenseman. This core defensive group gets us TO round 1---That is it! I would trade for Trouba and sign Shattenkirk after season. The only untouchables in my opinion are Buuuuch and Vesey. Just dont give up too much for Trouba and we'll be fine. We have to trade Grabs I'm guessing because we will lose him at expasion draft--so do Grabs and Klein for Trouba!


While it may suck to lose Grabs to expansion draft, he's been our 2nd to 3rd best player. While we have depth, I think there's something special with Grabs and this team this year and hopefully won't disappear when come playoff time.

To get Trouba it will take more than Klein and Grabner anyway. The Jets will probably want a first rounder and prospect/young winger and a veteran. Maybe something like Buch, Klein, Day and a 3rd round pick. I wouldn't do it, but that's what I think the ask would be.
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concust
Posted 2017-02-09 1:46 PM (#667023 - in reply to #667017)
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itsmcilrathtime - 2017-02-09 1:27 PM

Teams ranked 5 to 10 are not the best teams. My calculations say they are 3-6 vs the top teams. Would be 2-7 if not for playing Columbus backup who stunk in a 5-4 win. The top teams are Pitt, Washington, Minnesota and Montreal. Everybody else is a pretender. So, as I said, they have shown no ability to beat the best teams and have been embarrassed by them on several occassions.



Hahahaha the Canadiens? They're 17-16-7 since November. Double check your "calculations."

Or maybe watch a few games instead of just looking up standings.

And you wonder why you have zero credibility around here.

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Mandar
Posted 2017-02-09 3:24 PM (#667026 - in reply to #667023)
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itsmcilrathtime - 2017-02-09 1:27 PM

Teams ranked 5 to 10 are not the best teams. My calculations say they are 3-6 vs the top teams. Would be 2-7 if not for playing Columbus backup who stunk in a 5-4 win. The top teams are Pitt, Washington, Minnesota and Montreal. Everybody else is a pretender. So, as I said, they have shown no ability to beat the best teams and have been embarrassed by them on several occassions.



Hahahaha the Canadiens? They're 17-16-7 since November. Double check your "calculations."

Or maybe watch a few games instead of just looking up standings.

And you wonder why you have zero credibility around here.



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itsmcilrathtime
Posted 2017-02-10 2:51 AM (#667063 - in reply to #666923)
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Montreal has Price and they are a nightmare to beat in Montreal in the playoffs. Some might throw Chicago in the mix this year. I believe when NY played them Toews was out once and then the second time it was his first game back. Either way, when the Rangers can play Pitt or Minny and not give up 5 to 7 goals, wake me.
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robstones
Posted 2017-02-10 6:40 AM (#667065 - in reply to #666923)
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Those games where The Rangers gave up 7 goals, happened in December..... The Rangers beat Pittsburgh 5-2 in November... also beat The Caps 4-2.

The Rangers have also had two 7 goal games and three 6 goal games this year.

17 of their 35 wins... half.... have been games where The Rangers scored 5 or more goals, and they have the 3rd best goal differential in the league.

Next time they play Pittsburgh or Minnesota will be after the deadline

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itsmcilrathtime
Posted 2017-02-11 3:00 AM (#667069 - in reply to #666923)
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It's always the same with this fan base. When they beat a few teams in a row that aren't all that good in the regular season, everybody starts whacking it and believes they can win the cup. They were embarrassed by Pitt and Minnesota. They never beat Montreal up there when Price is in net.
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PV29
Posted 2017-02-11 10:31 AM (#667070 - in reply to #667069)
Subject: Re: Trade Deadline - March 1st - 3pm Eastern


I said on Jan. 31st that the test of this team will be the games against the Caps, CBJ, Pens, Isles, Habs and the California teams.

They lost to CBJ on 1/31; it was a 6 - 0 blowout until the Jackets stopped playing in the third period.
They beat Anaheim 4 - 1. They were outshot 44 to 20, but a win is a win.

So 1 win, 1 loss. After tonight's game against the lowly Avalanche, they play 6 of the remaining 8 this month against CBJ (twice), Caps (twice), Habs and Isles. We will know by the 28th of this month whether or not this team is built to seriously contend for the Eastern Conference finals. Four of those games are at home, so no excuses.
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Posted 2017-02-11 2:02 PM (#667072 - in reply to #667070)
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PV29 - 2017-02-11 12:31 PM

We will know by the 28th of this month whether or not this team is built to seriously contend for the Eastern Conference finals. Four of those games are at home, so no excuses.


Nope.
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concust
Posted 2017-02-13 7:24 AM (#667106 - in reply to #667070)
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PV29 - 2017-02-11 11:31 AM

I said on Jan. 31st that the test of this team will be the games against the Caps, CBJ, Pens, Isles, Habs and the California teams.

They lost to CBJ on 1/31; it was a 6 - 0 blowout until the Jackets stopped playing in the third period.
They beat Anaheim 4 - 1. They were outshot 44 to 20, but a win is a win.

So 1 win, 1 loss. After tonight's game against the lowly Avalanche, they play 6 of the remaining 8 this month against CBJ (twice), Caps (twice), Habs and Isles. We will know by the 28th of this month whether or not this team is built to seriously contend for the Eastern Conference finals. Four of those games are at home, so no excuses.


A win is a win in that you get your two points, but for the purposes of judging the compete level of this team, that Anaheim game may as well have been a loss.

The Avalanche game was no picnic either, down 2-1 heading into the third. Outshot by one of the worst teams in the league, playing against their backup-turned-starter, missing Tyson Barrie...

Agree the next stretch will tell if they can man up and actually beat these teams or if they'll show their true colors. It will also likely determine how big of a splash they try to make at the deadline.
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PV29
Posted 2017-02-17 8:23 AM (#667217 - in reply to #666923)
Subject: Re: Trade Deadline - March 1st - 3pm Eastern


2 wins, 2 losses so far.

Remaining games against playoff teams are:

Caps on 2/19
Habs on 2/21
CBJ on 2/26
Caps 2/28

If they get 4 wins or less in this stretch of tough games I say they should do nothing at the deadline except maybe get rid of Girardi's and/or Staal's contracts if possible. 5 wins or more and I can see them trying to get a piece or two for the playoffs.

Edited by PV29 2017-02-17 8:25 AM
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Mikey Red
Posted 2017-02-17 8:48 AM (#667218 - in reply to #667217)
Subject: Re: Trade Deadline - March 1st - 3pm Eastern



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Stepan , Zabinajad, Buchnevich, Pirri and Shertskin.... to Colorado for Duchense and Landeskog....do it...Money is almost a wash
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Mandar
Posted 2017-02-17 9:36 AM (#667219 - in reply to #667218)
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Mikey Red - 2017-02-17 10:48 AM

Stepan , Zabinajad, Buchnevich, Pirri and Shertskin.... to Colorado for Duchense and Landeskog....do it...Money is almost a wash


Don't quit your day job.
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ej17
Posted 2017-02-17 11:11 AM (#667220 - in reply to #667219)
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Mikey Red - 2017-02-17 10:48 AM

Stepan , Zabinajad, Buchnevich, Pirri and Shertskin.... to Colorado for Duchense and Landeskog....do it...Money is almost a wash


Don't quit your day job.

That has to be a joke.... Right???
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Posted 2017-02-17 12:48 PM (#667221 - in reply to #667219)
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Mikey Red - 2017-02-17 10:48 AM

Stepan , Zabinajad, Buchnevich, Pirri and Shertskin.... to Colorado for Duchense and Landeskog....do it...Money is almost a wash


Don't quit your day job.
not quite enough to make your list, but has potential
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Mikey Red
Posted 2017-02-17 12:49 PM (#667222 - in reply to #667220)
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Good thing I have a good day job.....Why not? Stepan is awful...always on the PP trying to thread a pass from the boards thru 4 people....You give Colorado 4 right away players and a goalie down the road they need.... we get 2 guys who i am sure hate going to work right now and are infinitely better than those 4....I forgot ej....good competitive season is good enough for you
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Mikey Red
Posted 2017-02-17 12:53 PM (#667223 - in reply to #666923)
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How long has it been since we last won? How much open window is left?
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Mikey Red
Posted 2017-02-17 12:57 PM (#667224 - in reply to #666923)
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Just want to be clear...You wouldnt do that deal why?
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Mikey Red
Posted 2017-02-17 1:21 PM (#667225 - in reply to #666923)
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The well in Colorado is poisoned ...these guys have to go....Someone is going to get one of them....If we can give Ryan Callahan and 2 #1's for 90000 year old 5 foot tall MSL...then....
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Mandar
Posted 2017-02-17 2:14 PM (#667226 - in reply to #667222)
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Mikey Red - 2017-02-17 2:49 PM

Good thing I have a good day job.....Why not? Stepan is awful...always on the PP trying to thread a pass from the boards thru 4 people....You give Colorado 4 right away players and a goalie down the road they need.... we get 2 guys who i am sure hate going to work right now and are infinitely better than those 4....I forgot ej....good competitive season is good enough for you


If Stepan is awful (as you say)....., obviously Colorado will want to trade for him. Zib & Buch...our #2 center and one of our top young forwards....both top 9 (arguable top 6) players.....oh, and add in the best goalie that isn't in the NHL (and the heir apparent to Hank). For two top 6 western conference forwards....who are good...that much is certain. But the talent on both sides of your proposed mess is soooooooo lopsided, its laughable. I would counter your "analysis" that the 2 coming back are better than the 4 going the other way.....in what world is the talent coming back better than what we give away?

But hey....the dollars are about even.


now....try to think about the fact that a defenseman or two is what we need....not to churn forwards for forwards that will solve zero issues with this team.
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Mandar
Posted 2017-02-17 2:16 PM (#667227 - in reply to #667221)
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Mikey Red - 2017-02-17 10:48 AM

Stepan , Zabinajad, Buchnevich, Pirri and Shertskin.... to Colorado for Duchense and Landeskog....do it...Money is almost a wash


Don't quit your day job.
not quite enough to make your list, but has potential


true....but notice how nice I have been this season with the list......but eventually, someone will earn a spot. Waiting for Robbie to go on one of his "we need Nash" crusades....
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Mikey Red
Posted 2017-02-17 2:21 PM (#667228 - in reply to #667226)
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No doubt we need defenseman...I dont want Shattenkirk......Stepan is Awful from a frustrated fans perpective....He is a solid player....You have to give to get....Buch and Pirri watch from the stands right now....I think Skapski can be Henriks replacement ...Your crazy if you think Duchense and Landeskog are simply a switch for Stepan and Zib .....Every team in the League is trying to trade for them right now
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PV29
Posted 2017-02-17 3:21 PM (#667229 - in reply to #667228)
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Rangers have enough scoring talent, YOUNG scoring talent, up front for the playoffs. Scoring isn't the problem, there's no need for Duchesne or Landeskog no matter how good they are.

The problem is keeping teams from constantly cycling and getting high quality chances from the crease and between the faceoff dots. Hence the need for physical defensemen who actually play physical defense. Not the shiniest object on the market. If there's the equivalent of Jay Wells and David Shaw out there available now, get them. The asking price should not be prohibitive. Add a pending free agent grinder-banger for the 4th line and take a shot in the playoffs.
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Mikey Red
Posted 2017-02-17 3:28 PM (#667230 - in reply to #667229)
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PV you are right...but if Colorado is unloading these guys...then why not take a shot? It would be a 1000% upgrade.....Yes we need a Physical D man.....Alot of teams do....Who is he? and what will it cost?
Staal and Girardi have an eternity left on their contracts
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Posted 2017-02-17 3:41 PM (#667231 - in reply to #666923)
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Trouba, Franson, Stone, and if Detroit is selling as they should be Mike Green could be a target.

Nash and Stepan seem to be the leading candidates to go.

If The Rangers do trade Stepan, I read recently that Hanzal could and should also be a target.

Hanzal and Trouba are my targets.... what would I give up to add that size and skill set to The Rangers? Tough call, but they would be just what the doctor ordered, and would give The Rangers a playoff ready team in my opinion
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Posted 2017-02-17 9:20 PM (#667232 - in reply to #666923)
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Trade Stepan or Nash and get back a similar priced dman. Today's NHL trades are about $ for $. The dman should be a capable top four guy. Trade Klein for hopefully a guy that can slide between the third and fourth line and have some bite to his game. Realistically not much else in the cards, other than a Pirri or Pumper trade.
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Mikey Red
Posted 2017-02-18 11:19 AM (#667233 - in reply to #667232)
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Get Hagelin, Brassard and Callahan back....Playoff warriors
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PV29
Posted 2017-02-18 6:40 PM (#667234 - in reply to #667233)
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Fast would look awesome in a Stars jersey. See if Dallas will trade Stephen Johns straight up for the Quickie. AV may cry and be depressed for awhile, but it would help the defense.
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Mikey Red
Posted 2017-02-18 6:44 PM (#667235 - in reply to #667234)
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No chance PV...Fast will be wearing an "A" soon lol with AV
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Posted 2017-02-19 6:12 AM (#667240 - in reply to #667234)
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PV29 - 2017-02-18 8:40 PM

Fast would look awesome in a Stars jersey. See if Dallas will trade Stephen Johns straight up for the Quickie. AV may cry and be depressed for awhile, but it would help the defense.


AV would glue him to the press box and demand that Tan-Tan be promoted to big club.
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