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Posted 2017-04-17 10:45 AM (#671765)
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Here is the info from practice today.

At Rangers practice on Monday they are using the following lines (Cyrgalis)

•Jimmy Vesey, Derek Stepan, Rick Nash
•Chris Kreider, Mika Zibanejad, Tanner Glass/Pavel Buchnevich
•JT Miller, Kevin Hayes, Mats Zuccarello
•Michael Grabner, Oscar Lindberg, Jesper Fast

On defense the Rangers have Ryan McDonagh paired with Dan Girardi, Marc Staal paired with Nick Holden, Brady Skjei with Brendan Smith and a fourth pair of Steven Kampfer and Kevin Klein.


Appears Klein will be back out. D pairs back to game 1 and 2 pairs.

We'll see who gets the call on the Zib line (I would go Buch).

I actually like those lines, but obviously that means Zib, Kreider, Miller and Hayes wake up.


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Mandar
Posted 2017-04-17 11:23 AM (#671769 - in reply to #671765)
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Can't do those lines....killing Zucc by having no finishers on his line; wasting the only offensive thread in this series on the 4th line (Grabs), and the only way that 2nd line works is if someone plugs a charger into Kreider.

Sit Miller and put in Buch there.
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Rangerjunkie
Posted 2017-04-17 11:25 AM (#671770 - in reply to #671765)
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Rangers 2017 - 2017-04-17 10:45 AM

Here is the info from practice today.

At Rangers practice on Monday they are using the following lines (Cyrgalis)

•Jimmy Vesey, Derek Stepan, Rick Nash
•Chris Kreider, Mika Zibanejad, Tanner Glass/Pavel Buchnevich
•JT Miller, Kevin Hayes, Mats Zuccarello
•Michael Grabner, Oscar Lindberg, Jesper Fast

On defense the Rangers have Ryan McDonagh paired with Dan Girardi, Marc Staal paired with Nick Holden, Brady Skjei with Brendan Smith and a fourth pair of Steven Kampfer and Kevin Klein.


Appears Klein will be back out. D pairs back to game 1 and 2 pairs.




We'll see who gets the call on the Zib line (I would go Buch).

I actually like those lines, but obviously that means Zib, Kreider, Miller and Hayes wake up.




Told ya none of the 5 you mentioned earlier would sit!

Two problems with the lines imo

1. Stepan is rewarded with probably two of the better wingers so far, watch their game slip now that they are shackled to Mr do nothing can't win a face-off but hey he's got a high hockey IQ!
2. Glass has been one of the hardest working guys in these three games so far, I understand wanting Buch for more skill and offense. I would sit Fast

Edited by Rangerjunkie 2017-04-17 11:27 AM
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Rangerjunkie
Posted 2017-04-17 11:27 AM (#671771 - in reply to #671765)
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I also agree with everyone having to wake up!
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Posted 2017-04-17 11:31 AM (#671772 - in reply to #671769)
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Mandar - 2017-04-17 11:23 AM

Can't do those lines....killing Zucc by having no finishers on his line; wasting the only offensive thread in this series on the 4th line (Grabs), and the only way that 2nd line works is if someone plugs a charger into Kreider.

Sit Miller and put in Buch there.


Sorry but Buch in Miller out makes no sense at all!

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Rangerjunkie
Posted 2017-04-17 11:35 AM (#671773 - in reply to #671772)
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Rangerjunkie - 2017-04-17 11:31 AM

Mandar - 2017-04-17 11:23 AM

Can't do those lines....killing Zucc by having no finishers on his line; wasting the only offensive thread in this series on the 4th line (Grabs), and the only way that 2nd line works is if someone plugs a charger into Kreider.

Sit Miller and put in Buch there.


Sorry but Buch in Miller out makes no sense at all!



Killing Zucc?

Talk about bone headed moves, I love Zucc, but he has 12 penalty minutes. His double minor last night was a killer made the game 2-0.. Zucc is killing himself letting his frustration get the best of him. Which I think is Millers problem right now, he's allowing his frustration to get him
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Rangers 2017
Posted 2017-04-17 11:36 AM (#671775 - in reply to #671765)
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At this point where we are now I think it is difficult to sit Stepan or Zib given the position they play.

I think the lines are what they are. Not sure if there is any perfect combo given how most of the forwards played in game 3. I have mentally moved onto game 4 now. No upside to rehashing game 3 over and over again. And no upside to continually bashing the players and coaches over and over again.

We have to move forward.



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Rangerjunkie
Posted 2017-04-17 11:37 AM (#671777 - in reply to #671775)
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Rangers 2017 - 2017-04-17 11:36 AM

At this point where we are now I think it is difficult to sit Stepan or Zib given the position they play.

I think the lines are what they are. Not sure if there is any perfect combo given how most of the forwards played in game 3. I have mentally moved onto game 4 now. No upside to rehashing game 3 over and over again. And no upside to continually bashing the players and coaches over and over again.

We have to move forward.





Im with you 100%

Lets go Rangers game 4!!
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Rangers 2017
Posted 2017-04-17 11:55 AM (#671778 - in reply to #671765)
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YES...LGR!!!


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Posted 2017-04-17 12:14 PM (#671780 - in reply to #671773)
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Rangerjunkie - 2017-04-17 1:35 PM

Rangerjunkie - 2017-04-17 11:31 AM

Mandar - 2017-04-17 11:23 AM

Can't do those lines....killing Zucc by having no finishers on his line; wasting the only offensive thread in this series on the 4th line (Grabs), and the only way that 2nd line works is if someone plugs a charger into Kreider.

Sit Miller and put in Buch there.


Sorry but Buch in Miller out makes no sense at all!



Killing Zucc?

Talk about bone headed moves, I love Zucc, but he has 12 penalty minutes. His double minor last night was a killer made the game 2-0.. Zucc is killing himself letting his frustration get the best of him. Which I think is Millers problem right now, he's allowing his frustration to get him


Miller's idiocy was more of a killer....it got Montreal their first goal.....and it was an offensive zone penalty on a rule he knows....especially after Montreal got called for it in game one. That was the first of the dominoes to fall....without that Miller penalty, chances are the events that happened afterwards wouldn't have happened.

And sure, Zucc has let it get to him, but it doesn't change the fact that he has been our best set up man by far....his stats don't reflect the points he should have if the forwards could finish.
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Posted 2017-04-17 12:17 PM (#671781 - in reply to #671772)
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Rangerjunkie - 2017-04-17 1:31 PM

Mandar - 2017-04-17 11:23 AM

Can't do those lines....killing Zucc by having no finishers on his line; wasting the only offensive thread in this series on the 4th line (Grabs), and the only way that 2nd line works is if someone plugs a charger into Kreider.

Sit Miller and put in Buch there.


Sorry but Buch in Miller out makes no sense at all!


If Miller was playing to even half his capabilities, I would agree with you.....but since we haven't seen that Miller in quite some time, it would make lots of sense to me.
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Posted 2017-04-17 3:42 PM (#671786 - in reply to #671765)
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kredier Zib and Buch had chemistry but now that line can be -3 in 3 shifts. after last night need to make some moves for sure.... why not kamfper ....
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Posted 2017-04-17 3:51 PM (#671788 - in reply to #671781)
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Mandar - 2017-04-17 12:17 PM

Rangerjunkie - 2017-04-17 1:31 PM

Mandar - 2017-04-17 11:23 AM

Can't do those lines....killing Zucc by having no finishers on his line; wasting the only offensive thread in this series on the 4th line (Grabs), and the only way that 2nd line works is if someone plugs a charger into Kreider.

Sit Miller and put in Buch there.


Sorry but Buch in Miller out makes no sense at all!


If Miller was playing to even half his capabilities, I would agree with you.....but since we haven't seen that Miller in quite some time, it would make lots of sense to me.


I agree that Miller isn't playing to his capabilities but almost everyone else isn't either.

The last time we saw Miller be Miller was a couple of weeks ago when he was placed on the 4th line, so do that again. I don't think we should sit a guy that his his potential. That's all!

Get Buch in there absolutely we need some offense, but to me the one to sit is Fast, not that he's played all that bad, but Miller has more potential than him. If Fast scored 2 goals next game we (including you) would be astonished! But if Miller had a hat trick we would (including you) say there's the Miller we know!

I say sit Fast over Miller
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Posted 2017-04-17 3:52 PM (#671789 - in reply to #671765)
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OH!! And Mandar, Love ya, mean it!!
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Posted 2017-04-17 6:50 PM (#671795 - in reply to #671765)
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If this coach had any brains or balls, he'd sit Kreider and put in Buchnevich. Kreider has been useless, as The Big Whistle used to say, "He's just out there for a skate, Jim". Keep the same lines as Game 1, which looked pretty good for two periods of Game 2 until AV ****ed things up, but insert Buch for Kreider. Buch should have a fire up his ass and would be a big upgrade on that line which might kick start it.

IF this coach had any brains or balls.
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Rangers 2017
Posted 2017-04-17 7:23 PM (#671799 - in reply to #671765)
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On merit 20 or 13 or 93 or 10 would sit. At this point in a do or die game it is tougher to sit one of those guys though (you live or die with what got you here I guess). Not saying I wouldn't do it, just saying it is not an easy decision.

I think if it were my decision to make I would sit Hayes and put Buch in, but it is not an easy decision. You can sit any one of those 4 guys I think. So it appears he will default to sitting Glass I guess. If I were going to decide that Buch is in, and I wasn't sitting 20 or 13 or 93 or 10 I think I'd sit Fast over Glass right now. We know there is no shot of that though as AV really likes Fast, and truth is he has been fine the first 3 games and part of our best line.

To me I now forget about all the talk and focus on the effort. I want to see if this team comes out ready to play tomorrow night, or if we get another no show dog performance. At this point that's all that matters. Time for talk is done, now we face a must win game.


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Posted 2017-04-17 7:59 PM (#671800 - in reply to #671765)
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HINT: It's not a personnel issue.

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Posted 2017-04-18 4:20 AM (#671802 - in reply to #671765)
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The Rangers best line in the playoffs, so far, features Tanner Glass

Apr 17 | 10:40AM

This sez it all ..... YIKES! for us .............

Alain Vigneault said after Game 3 that the Rangers best line right now is their fourth line of Tanner Glass, Oscar Lindberg and Jesper Fast.
•Tanner Glass: Rangers have 58% of the shot attempts at 5 on 5, 9:22 per game
•Oscar Lindberg: Rangers have 61% of the shot attempts at 5 on 5, 10:36 per game
•Jesper Fast: Rangers have 49% of the shot attempts at 5 on 5, 15:23 per game

Adam Rotter: When the fourth line is your best line and two of those guys average just over 10 minutes per game or under, you won't win, even if your goalie plays out of his mind to keep you in games.
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Posted 2017-04-18 6:19 AM (#671807 - in reply to #671765)
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I think we've given a little too much credit to Tanner Glass, guys.

Not to dismiss what he's done, but come on.....
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Posted 2017-04-18 7:59 AM (#671810 - in reply to #671807)
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robstones - 2017-04-18 5:19 AM

I think we've given a little too much credit to Tanner Glass, guys.

Not to dismiss what he's done, but come on.....




I think the point is take out your weakest link when you bring in a replacement. There are quite a few in the lineup and Glass isn't one of them. Simply put AV is a guy who would replace a good tire instead of the flat and expect the car to go.
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Posted 2017-04-18 12:58 PM (#671825 - in reply to #671807)
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robstones - 2017-04-18 8:19 AM

I think we've given a little too much credit to Tanner Glass, guys.

Not to dismiss what he's done, but come on.....


The point of the article is not so much crediting Glass, but to show how sucky the other three lines have been.

Notwithstanding, the 4th line is the only one generating offensive zone time and shots on goal on a consistent basis. AV should've double-shifted that line late in the 3rd of Game 2.
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Posted 2017-04-18 1:56 PM (#671830 - in reply to #671810)
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robstones - 2017-04-18 5:19 AM

I think we've given a little too much credit to Tanner Glass, guys.

Not to dismiss what he's done, but come on.....




I think the point is take out your weakest link when you bring in a replacement. There are quite a few in the lineup and Glass isn't one of them. Simply put AV is a guy who would replace a good tire instead of the flat and expect the car to go.


I guess, but it's also hard to take out Zibanejad or Kreider or whoever else you want to call the weakest link.

Just because Glass has played well, everyone else has way more skill.

Facts are a 4th line of
Grabner Linberg Fast

Is better than one with Glass on it. At least potentially.
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Posted 2017-04-18 3:13 PM (#671836 - in reply to #671830)
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robstones - 2017-04-18 12:56 PM

Rranger - 2017-04-18 9:59 AM

robstones - 2017-04-18 5:19 AM

I think we've given a little too much credit to Tanner Glass, guys.

Not to dismiss what he's done, but come on.....




I think the point is take out your weakest link when you bring in a replacement. There are quite a few in the lineup and Glass isn't one of them. Simply put AV is a guy who would replace a good tire instead of the flat and expect the car to go.


I guess, but it's also hard to take out Zibanejad or Kreider or whoever else you want to call the weakest link.

Just because Glass has played well, everyone else has way more skill.

Facts are a 4th line of
Grabner Linberg Fast

Is better than one with Glass on it. At least potentially.





Define better? More goals? Better forechecking? More hits? Better defense? You would be doing well if they scored more goals, they won't forecheck better, I haven't seen Grabner hit anybody, the fourth line has been excellent defensively, double mint is grasping at straws thinking they are going to score some goals, at the expense of Glass's very effective physical play. Without question, Miller, Hayes, and Grabner have been bad. He will bring his weak and useless game without the puck to the fourth line and it will be worse because of it.
So play the guys with more skill that look like they got a deal on late April plane tickets home, or play someone who is doing his job very well. From my point of view Grabner has been terrible. One goal in game one and missed defensive assignments including weak board play, that has already cost the Rangers, especially in game two. He's been avoiding contact all over the ice.
. The same old underachieving floaters staying in and one of the few busting his ass sitting. He could have easily sat Grabner or Zabenijad with no effect, because other than Grabners goal which ties him with Glass he's done zip. And Zabenijad is so bad, he's entering the get rid of him this summer, discussion.
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Posted 2017-04-18 4:14 PM (#671838 - in reply to #671836)
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Rranger - 2017-04-18 5:13 PM

robstones - 2017-04-18 12:56 PM

Rranger - 2017-04-18 9:59 AM

robstones - 2017-04-18 5:19 AM

I think we've given a little too much credit to Tanner Glass, guys.

Not to dismiss what he's done, but come on.....




I think the point is take out your weakest link when you bring in a replacement. There are quite a few in the lineup and Glass isn't one of them. Simply put AV is a guy who would replace a good tire instead of the flat and expect the car to go.


I guess, but it's also hard to take out Zibanejad or Kreider or whoever else you want to call the weakest link.

Just because Glass has played well, everyone else has way more skill.

Facts are a 4th line of
Grabner Linberg Fast

Is better than one with Glass on it. At least potentially.


Define better? More goals? Better forechecking? More hits? Better defense? You would be doing well if they scored more goals, they won't forecheck better, I haven't seen Grabner hit anybody, the fourth line has been excellent defensively, double mint is grasping at straws thinking they are going to score some goals, at the expense of Glass's very effective physical play. Without question, Miller, Hayes, and Grabner have been bad. He will bring his weak and useless game without the puck to the fourth line and it will be worse because of it.
So play the guys with more skill that look like they got a deal on late April plane tickets home, or play someone who is doing his job very well. From my point of view Grabner has been terrible. One goal in game one and missed defensive assignments including weak board play, that has already cost the Rangers, especially in game two. He's been avoiding contact all over the ice.
. The same old underachieving floaters staying in and one of the few busting his ass sitting. He could have easily sat Grabner or Zabenijad with no effect, because other than Grabners goal which ties him with Glass he's done zip. And Zabenijad is so bad, he's entering the get rid of him this summer, discussion.


Just wanted to mention that Grabner has two goals in the series...not one.

Carry on.
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Posted 2017-04-18 4:34 PM (#671839 - in reply to #671838)
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Mandar - 2017-04-18 3:14 PM

Rranger - 2017-04-18 5:13 PM

robstones - 2017-04-18 12:56 PM

Rranger - 2017-04-18 9:59 AM

robstones - 2017-04-18 5:19 AM

I think we've given a little too much credit to Tanner Glass, guys.

Not to dismiss what he's done, but come on.....




I think the point is take out your weakest link when you bring in a replacement. There are quite a few in the lineup and Glass isn't one of them. Simply put AV is a guy who would replace a good tire instead of the flat and expect the car to go.


I guess, but it's also hard to take out Zibanejad or Kreider or whoever else you want to call the weakest link.

Just because Glass has played well, everyone else has way more skill.

Facts are a 4th line of
Grabner Linberg Fast

Is better than one with Glass on it. At least potentially.


Define better? More goals? Better forechecking? More hits? Better defense? You would be doing well if they scored more goals, they won't forecheck better, I haven't seen Grabner hit anybody, the fourth line has been excellent defensively, double mint is grasping at straws thinking they are going to score some goals, at the expense of Glass's very effective physical play. Without question, Miller, Hayes, and Grabner have been bad. He will bring his weak and useless game without the puck to the fourth line and it will be worse because of it.
So play the guys with more skill that look like they got a deal on late April plane tickets home, or play someone who is doing his job very well. From my point of view Grabner has been terrible. One goal in game one and missed defensive assignments including weak board play, that has already cost the Rangers, especially in game two. He's been avoiding contact all over the ice.
. The same old underachieving floaters staying in and one of the few busting his ass sitting. He could have easily sat Grabner or Zabenijad with no effect, because other than Grabners goal which ties him with Glass he's done zip. And Zabenijad is so bad, he's entering the get rid of him this summer, discussion.


Just wanted to mention that Grabner has two goals in the series...not one.

Carry on.






I checked the OTG stat page before I posted but didn't see it was only the first game stats. My bad, and I'd still sit his ass.
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