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Steady Eddie
Posted 2017-05-08 6:32 AM (#675327)
Subject: Current NHL Point System Must Go



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I know I'm beating a dead horse, but the current point system in the NHL sucks. 3 points per game is the way it should be. No bonus point for OT games.

  • 3 points for a regulation win
  • 2 points for OT/shootout win
  • 1 point for OT/shootout loss
  • 0 points for regulation loss

This example from the current hockey World Championship:

RTeamGPWOTWOTLLGF:GAPTS
Group A
1LAT220006:16
2RUS2110012:25
3SWE210108:44
4GER210014:83
5USA210018:43
6SVK201014:52
7ITA200113:131
8DEN200022:100
Group B
1CAN2200011:36
2SUI211008:45
3FRA210017:43
4CZE210017:53
5NOR210013:53
6FIN210014:73
7SLO200116:121
8BLR200023:90

 


 

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Mikey Red
Posted 2017-05-08 6:50 AM (#675328 - in reply to #675327)
Subject: Re: Current NHL Point System Must Go


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Yep ...3 pts for a reg win, 2 for an OT win and 1 Point for a tie...No more shoot out...i hate it, its not hockey. Also get rid of the bye week...another brilliant decision by the League. Dont worry, Bettman is around, we are gonna have another team in Arizona
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rjpny75
Posted 2017-05-08 8:54 AM (#675340 - in reply to #675328)
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Mikey Red - 2017-05-08 8:50 AM

Yep ...3 pts for a reg win, 2 for an OT win and 1 Point for a tie...No more shoot out...i hate it, its not hockey. Also get rid of the bye week...another brilliant decision by the League. Dont worry, Bettman is around, we are gonna have another team in Arizona


I agree except for the shootout. While I'm not crazy about the shootout, it still beats a tie. For the fans and players, no closure. As a fan I'd hate to waste 2-2 1/2 hours of my time to leave with a tie. If I want to spend time to watch any event that ends in a tie, I'll just watch soccer. But they have it more backwards, regular season or initial round of a tournament, game can end in a tie. The last games that actually count can be decided by a shootout.

I like the 3 man overtime, but I think the PA doesn't want a game to go too long for the players. How about 2 5min OT's, but each OT period must use 9 different players in each. Then go to a shootout. If we really want it to be hockey, after OT and no winner, just have the goalies fight. LOL.
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Mikey Red
Posted 2017-05-08 8:58 AM (#675341 - in reply to #675327)
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Yeah I hear ya. There has to be another way....Shoot out is like ending an NBA game with a free throw contest ...or baseball with a HR contest...Its stupid...Even 3 on 3 is kind of BS hockey....Or..if you have to go shootout...winner gets 1 point and loser gets 0? If you lose the game in the end you get nothing...kinds like real life
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Mikey Red
Posted 2017-05-08 9:04 AM (#675343 - in reply to #675327)
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Shoot out should no way count as the same as a regulation victory. No more ROW BS...Just point totals 3,2,1 Reg, OT, Shootout
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rjpny75
Posted 2017-05-08 9:11 AM (#675345 - in reply to #675343)
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Mikey Red - 2017-05-08 11:04 AM

Shoot out should no way count as the same as a regulation victory. No more ROW BS...Just point totals 3,2,1 Reg, OT, Shootout


That I'm 100% in agreement!
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Fish
Posted 2017-05-09 12:47 PM (#675484 - in reply to #675327)
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Would be interesting to look at what impact that would have on the standings over the past few years. To be honest, I'm much more annoyed with the current divisional playoff setup than the point system..
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Mikey Red
Posted 2017-05-09 12:52 PM (#675485 - in reply to #675327)
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Yes.... current format is atrocious ...2 of the top 3 in the conference will be gone by rd 2....go 1-16 again...balance the schedule ...get rid of divisions and conferences...or go 2 conferences and 1-8
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x10003q
Posted 2017-05-09 1:40 PM (#675490 - in reply to #675340)
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rjpny75 - 2017-05-08 10:54 AM

Mikey Red - 2017-05-08 8:50 AM

Yep ...3 pts for a reg win, 2 for an OT win and 1 Point for a tie...No more shoot out...i hate it, its not hockey. Also get rid of the bye week...another brilliant decision by the League. Dont worry, Bettman is around, we are gonna have another team in Arizona


I agree except for the shootout. While I'm not crazy about the shootout, it still beats a tie. For the fans and players, no closure. As a fan I'd hate to waste 2-2 1/2 hours of my time to leave with a tie. If I want to spend time to watch any event that ends in a tie, I'll just watch soccer. But they have it more backwards, regular season or initial round of a tournament, game can end in a tie. The last games that actually count can be decided by a shootout.

I like the 3 man overtime, but I think the PA doesn't want a game to go too long for the players. How about 2 5min OT's, but each OT period must use 9 different players in each. Then go to a shootout. If we really want it to be hockey, after OT and no winner, just have the goalies fight. LOL.


I would rather have a tie than watch a the shootout carny act. How is a tie worse than watching a shoot out? During the regular season a tie is fine.

The reason they will never go to the 3/2/1 point setup is to keep most of the teams in the "playoff hunt".
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lucifer316
Posted 2017-07-22 3:25 PM (#678233 - in reply to #675327)
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2 points for a regulation or ot win
1 point for a shoot out win
0 points for any and all types of losses

I loathe the idea of 3 points even more than the shoot out. Teams should never be rewarded for losing.
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mpcelo45
Posted 2017-07-23 3:01 PM (#678375 - in reply to #675327)
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The point system is not too much of an issue as is the playoff picture.

I would much rather go back to the old format of playoffs which is the top 8 teams make it in each conference. No more of this division winners crap. Give me the best 8 teams in each conference and reseed after each round.
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Fish
Posted 2017-07-24 10:37 AM (#678405 - in reply to #675328)
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Mikey Red - 2017-05-08 5:50 AM

Yep ...3 pts for a reg win, 2 for an OT win and 1 Point for a tie...No more shoot out...i hate it, its not hockey. Also get rid of the bye week...another brilliant decision by the League. Dont worry, Bettman is around, we are gonna have another team in Arizona


I believe it's the NHLPA that pushed for the bye week, but am not certain
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Mjolnir
Posted 2017-07-26 10:35 AM (#678490 - in reply to #678375)
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mpcelo45 - 2017-07-23 5:01 PM

The point system is not too much of an issue as is the playoff picture.

I would much rather go back to the old format of playoffs which is the top 8 teams make it in each conference. No more of this division winners crap. Give me the best 8 teams in each conference and reseed after each round.


Try selling that one to the NHLPA (not to mention The Girly Men). That would mean ending the season at reasonable date....and, not to mention, they're not willing to give up all that playoff cash.
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robstones
Posted 2017-07-26 6:07 PM (#678491 - in reply to #678233)
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lucifer316 - 2017-07-22 5:25 PM

2 points for a regulation or ot win
1 point for a shoot out win
0 points for any and all types of losses

I loathe the idea of 3 points even more than the shoot out. Teams should never be rewarded for losing.


Yo, we agree on something!

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concust
Posted 2017-08-07 7:56 PM (#678854 - in reply to #678491)
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robstones - 2017-07-26 7:07 PM

lucifer316 - 2017-07-22 5:25 PM

2 points for a regulation or ot win
1 point for a shoot out win
0 points for any and all types of losses

I loathe the idea of 3 points even more than the shoot out. Teams should never be rewarded for losing.


Yo, we agree on something!



Here's how I think about this, now that we have shootouts and have to deal with additional outcomes.

So when you play a game there are different outcomes based on how easily you defeat your opponent. "Easily" probably isn't the right word, it's probably "naturally" (in the spirit of the game)

The outcomes are as follows, ranked -
Winning in regulation > Winning in OT > Winning in Shootout > Losing in shootout > Losing in OT > Losing in regulation

The only reason I hesiate with Lucifer's suggestion, is that you have an unequal number of points awarded per game, and you're equating all the losses. I understand the argument that losing should not be rewarded but if there are different qualities of win, (2 points or 1 point) then it also follows that there are different qualities of losses.

My preferred method is the three point game.

3 points for regulation win
3 points for OT win
2 points for Shootout win
1 point for shootout loss
0 points for OT loss
0 points for reg loss

But I would also go back to 5v5 OT. 4v4 and 3v3 OT is a gimmick and if it's kept I would like it to go to the 2/1 split like shootouts instead of the full 3 points.

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Mikey Red
Posted 2017-08-07 8:25 PM (#678855 - in reply to #675327)
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HATE the 3 on 3 OT...total BS hockey
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Mjolnir
Posted 2017-08-10 8:27 AM (#679006 - in reply to #678855)
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The NHL should put an end to this "there are no ties" fantasy and stop giving out points at the end of regulation (teams ARE NOT getting points for losing) if the score is even.
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Mandar
Posted 2017-08-10 3:00 PM (#679018 - in reply to #678854)
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concust - 2017-08-07 9:56 PM

robstones - 2017-07-26 7:07 PM

lucifer316 - 2017-07-22 5:25 PM

2 points for a regulation or ot win
1 point for a shoot out win
0 points for any and all types of losses

I loathe the idea of 3 points even more than the shoot out. Teams should never be rewarded for losing.


Yo, we agree on something!



Here's how I think about this, now that we have shootouts and have to deal with additional outcomes.

So when you play a game there are different outcomes based on how easily you defeat your opponent. "Easily" probably isn't the right word, it's probably "naturally" (in the spirit of the game)

The outcomes are as follows, ranked -
Winning in regulation > Winning in OT > Winning in Shootout > Losing in shootout > Losing in OT > Losing in regulation

The only reason I hesiate with Lucifer's suggestion, is that you have an unequal number of points awarded per game, and you're equating all the losses. I understand the argument that losing should not be rewarded but if there are different qualities of win, (2 points or 1 point) then it also follows that there are different qualities of losses.

My preferred method is the three point game.

3 points for regulation win
3 points for OT win
2 points for Shootout win
1 point for shootout loss
0 points for OT loss
0 points for reg loss

But I would also go back to 5v5 OT. 4v4 and 3v3 OT is a gimmick and if it's kept I would like it to go to the 2/1 split like shootouts instead of the full 3 points.


I think that Lucifer's suggestion is perfect. I hear your comment about an unequal points awarded per game, but its that way now....and has been for a long time.

The point being....winning a game while actually playing the game should be worth more than winning a game due to winning a skills competition. If this point system was in effect, you wouldn't see teams sit back as much while playing for the shootout.

Your system awards a point for losing a shootout, but gets no points for losing a game in OT....why? you are encouraging sitting back in OT in that case.....makes no sense.

Winning should be rewarded since that's the goal. Losing the game in any way shouldn't be rewarded with points.
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