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Blue404
Posted 2017-07-01 6:19 PM (#677421 - in reply to #677404)
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I am getting the feeling that this whole Kovalchuk returning to the NHL affair, is a fabricated product of his player agent trying to milk as much money as possible out of his KHL deal.


We don't want him anyway ...He's 34...coming off knee surgery and another Russian head case

Correct!
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Shattenkirk NYR
Posted 2017-07-02 3:54 PM (#677486 - in reply to #676592)
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Marleau to the Leafs, 3-years 6.25 AAV. A lot for a guy who is 38 in September, but he has game left and will add leadership to that team. They are near the top of the East also on paper into the season.

Pens, BJ's, TB and the Leafs. I think we slot in right after that group in the 4 or 5 range (assuming we add another C/forward). We have a good solid team that can make a run again.



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concust
Posted 2017-07-02 5:30 PM (#677488 - in reply to #676592)
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I think the Leafs have another lukewarm year before they really start to put it together. Their defense needs to gel a bit more and I still don't think they have the goaltending to make them a serious contender. Tampa has some question marks also. We'll see how Vasilievsky does with a full year's work. After Pittsburgh and CBJ I think the east is wide open, with a few teams that will almost definitely be at the bottom (Sabres, Panthers, Hurricanes, Devils at least)
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Posted 2017-07-02 5:36 PM (#677489 - in reply to #676592)
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I agree on the Leafs. Their D can use another season and another proven defender. They are closer to that next level than the top with the Pens and CBJ. I do think TB is closer to the top with the Pens and CBJ if Stamkos is healthy. After those teams the East is wide open. If we add the C/forward we need we can clearly slot into the 4th or so best team in the East...but odds are we'll have to play the Pens or CBJ in round 1 in the ridiculous NHL playoff system (can this league get ANYTHING right?), and that would not be easy.

If Gorton finishes this thing off right I really do like our team and would go to battle against anyone in the East when the time comes. BTW...watch for CBJ to get Kovy from the Devs. They are building a heck of a team there. I bet they win the Met with us and the Pens battling for 2nd.


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Shattenkirk NYR
Posted 2017-07-02 5:38 PM (#677490 - in reply to #676592)
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Looks like Kuznetsov has resigned with the Caps for 8-years and a 7.8 mill cap hit. That seems way excessive to me. The guy scored 20 goals with 77 points last season. This season scored 19 goals, but fell back to 59 points. Is that worth 7.8 mill per?

Yes he is 25 and you have to expect he'll get better, but these deals are nutty.

Did I miss some announcement that the cap is taking a huge jump next season? Price 11.5 and Kuz 7.8 seem crazy to me.

How will the Caps have balance and depth with OV at 9.5, Kuz at 7.8, Backstrom at 6.7 (maybe a bargain), Oshie at 5.75, Orpik at 5.5, Orlov at 5.1 (insane deal), Niskanen at 5.75 and Holtby at 6.1. Over 52 mill of the 75 mill cap in 8 players. Simply no depth can be had. And Carlson is a UFA after next season.

There is talent in those 8 players, and Carlson is solid at 4 mill for one more season, but the Caps will take a clear step back next season I think.


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concust
Posted 2017-07-02 6:25 PM (#677494 - in reply to #676592)
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It seems high to me also. They're paying for futures which is fine but like the discussion in the other thread, the NHL and the hard cap punishes teams for doing well in drafting and development. Sad thing is the Caps developed all these players, and because they did a good job with that, they're running up against the hard cap. Ovechkin, Kuznetsov, Backstrom, Orlov, Holtby, all homegrown.

Perhaps part of the solution is to give a level of exemption per year for a homegrown player. For example -$500k cap hit for each home-grown player. This would encourage teams to draft and develop better, and would reward the teams that do well rather than punishing them.



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Shattenkirk NYR
Posted 2017-07-02 6:33 PM (#677495 - in reply to #676592)
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Yeah, that's the kind of thinking the NHLPA needs. Personally I never would have resigned Orlov for 5.1 per. I also would have said to Kuz dude we cannot give you 7.8 per. No way they can field a good deep team for much longer. Maybe one more season, but they are f'd real soon.

They did just deal Johansson and his 4.583 cap hit to NJ for 2nd and 3rd round picks in 2018, but they are still f'd I think.

This league is not good right now. Teams get punished for good development. I don't want to be a broken record, but it has to change some.



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concust
Posted 2017-07-03 4:39 AM (#677509 - in reply to #676592)
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NJ fleeced the Caps in that deal but what else could the Caps have done. After July 1, teams' rosters and salary caps are pretty much set, aside from signing a few RFA. There aren't going to be a lot of teams with that much salary cap space to just take on $4.5 for a couple of draft picks. At least they Caps understood that the longer they wait to address the problem the worse it's going to get. But yeah they're going to be screwed unless they can find some major efficiencies. The Rangers have at least been able to find a few of these bargains - Hayes, Miller, Vesey on ELC or bridge deals, McDonagh's sweetheart contract, Grabner's production vs contract, etc. Which really helped balance out the big contracts of Staal, Girardi, Hank, Nash, Stepan.
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Posted 2017-07-03 4:41 AM (#677510 - in reply to #676592)
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Marcus Kruger traded from CHI to VGK, completing their pre-expansion draft side deal. Kruger was sent there for future considerations, which means, nothing.

CHI paid Kruger a $2m signing bonus yesterday, which VGK didn't want to pay, that was the last thing holding up the deal from becoming official.

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Posted 2017-07-03 4:44 AM (#677511 - in reply to #676592)
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Carey Price signs an extension for 8 years, $84m.

He is about the same age as Hank when he signed his big extension. Hank's deal is for $2m less per year, one fewer year, and had virtually no injury history when he signed his deal. Price has missed significant time 3 of the last 5 seasons.

Bergevin doesn't care though, he'll be long gone by the time that contract starts becoming an anchor.
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Shattenkirk NYR
Posted 2017-07-03 4:56 AM (#677512 - in reply to #676592)
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I have zero clue what Bergevin is doing up there. Team looks like a disaster to me. Terrible deal for Alzner. Petry is their # 3 dman I guess. Good to add Drouin, but their O is seriously lacking (their highest forward cap hit is Plekanec). Price at 10.5 per is too much for any goalie. 8 years of Price. 5 years of Alzner. Dude is lost up there and that team is in serious trouble I think. D is bad and O is below average. Terrible mix. That team will sink like a stone and only be solid in the regular season because of Price.

As for us, Gorton has done a masterful job, he really has. And I would also add the Shatt deal and the Zucc very team friendly deal to our good column as well. Hank should be 1 mill less, but outside of that and the Staal deal, we are really in a good spot contract wise. Nice to see.




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Posted 2017-07-03 5:01 AM (#677513 - in reply to #676592)
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Here's a question. Any shot anyone would include Skjei in a Duchene package? Sakic wants an ELC dman. Skjei fits the bill of young up and comer. Sakic's demands are high. May take Skjei, Gropp and a 1st to get Duchene. We'd still have McDonagh, Shatt and Smith as a base (real good). And a handful of good young kids who are real close on D (including Graves). Plus Staal/Holden can man the 3rd pair well I think. And man would Duchene look good in the middle here with our forward depth and slotted in front of Ziban and Hayes at C.

Won't happen, but wonder if anyone would make that kind of deal, which is what it would take to start with for Sakic.

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Posted 2017-07-03 5:26 AM (#677514 - in reply to #676592)
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heres a question also, how do the freaken Devils get a center for a bag of pucks in Johansson and the Rangers have no clue ...re below

Devils acquire Johansson from Capitals for picks

Jul 2 | 8:24PM

The New Jersey Devils acquired forward Marcus Johansson from the Washington Capitals in exchange for 2018 second- and third-round picks.

Johansson, 26, recorded 24 goals and 34 assists in 82 games during the regular season and two goals and six assists in 13 playoff games for Washington.

A first-round pick in 2009, Johansson has 102 goals and 188 assists in 501 career NHL games.

The Devils will give up Florida's second-round pick and Toronto's third-round pick next season.



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Posted 2017-07-03 5:47 AM (#677515 - in reply to #677513)
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Shattenkirk NYR - 2017-07-03 7:01 AM

Here's a question. Any shot anyone would include Skjei in a Duchene package? Sakic wants an ELC dman. Skjei fits the bill of young up and comer. Sakic's demands are high. May take Skjei, Gropp and a 1st to get Duchene. We'd still have McDonagh, Shatt and Smith as a base (real good). And a handful of good young kids who are real close on D (including Graves). Plus Staal/Holden can man the 3rd pair well I think. And man would Duchene look good in the middle here with our forward depth and slotted in front of Ziban and Hayes at C.

Won't happen, but wonder if anyone would make that kind of deal, which is what it would take to start with for Sakic.



No!!!! Sakic is going to realize that what he is asking for is not going to happen. Eventually he will have a disgruntled player on his hand and will have to trade him for next to nothing. That is when the teams will pounce.

Duchene is a good center but he is not an elite player and that is what Sakic is asking for in return (elite player return)
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Posted 2017-07-03 6:10 AM (#677516 - in reply to #676592)
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He is more of a wing than a C I think, and I have zero interest in Johansson. Nice 45-50 point guy, but his numbers were inflated on that team I think. He is a 3rd line player...maybe low 2nd line. He doesn't excite me. We can do better I think.

Caps are in salary cap hell. Shame on them for growing and assembling a good team the past couple of seasons.


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Posted 2017-07-03 7:39 AM (#677517 - in reply to #676592)
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Washington never would have traded him for that return to anyone they may face in the playoffs. The Devil's got him cheap because he doesn't help them enough to mean anything.

And shame on the Caps for having a top team in the league for over a decade and falling on their face over and over again. Their window to win has been open longer than you can hope for and not even a conference finals appearance to show for it.
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Mikey Red
Posted 2017-07-03 7:47 AM (#677518 - in reply to #676592)
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Johansson was expendable...nice player with inflated stats on that team...also a concussion victim
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Posted 2017-07-03 8:12 AM (#677519 - in reply to #676592)
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That is 100% fair Vua. The Caps have been a choking joke in the playoffs, and no one should cry for them. Still doesn't change the fact that this ridiculously restrictive cap in the NHL needs to be tweaked for some flexibility, but yeah the Caps had their opportunities and fell flat on their faces over and over again. That's on them and nothing else.


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Posted 2017-07-03 9:38 AM (#677523 - in reply to #676592)
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Well, that's not a bad deal for the Craps, they need to start thinking of the future now. Their window is closing fast.

Marleu 3 years @ 38? Wow. They can have him.
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Posted 2017-07-03 11:30 AM (#677528 - in reply to #676592)
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Radulov to the Stars. 5-years just over 6 mill per AAV.


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Posted 2017-07-03 12:08 PM (#677530 - in reply to #676592)
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I saw it & thought it was April 1st. Then, I checked the calendar & it is not April Fools Day. Wow. Stars?!?
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Posted 2017-07-03 12:23 PM (#677531 - in reply to #676592)
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Montreal is a mess. Overpay for Alzner and Price. Stars overpay for Radulov. Caps overpay for a couple of guys. Free agency deals are crazy. Have to give Gorton even more credit with Shatt. And actually Shatt gets the main credit telling the Rangers he'll take 4-years at a reasonable AAV.


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Posted 2017-07-03 12:23 PM (#677532 - in reply to #676592)
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5 years for Radulov is way too much. Stars will regret that in year 2 guaranteed.
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Posted 2017-07-03 1:49 PM (#677534 - in reply to #677532)
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concust - 2017-07-03 2:23 PM

5 years for Radulov is way too much. Stars will regret that in year 2 guaranteed.


When's this potential lockout?

Won't teams get to re-up on their buyouts soon?
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Posted 2017-07-03 2:21 PM (#677535 - in reply to #676592)
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That has to be bargained. I am sure some teams think that will happen, but who knows for sure. I believe it would be after the 2019-2020 season, so 3 more seasons of hockey before the next one.

The owners are now upset about signing bonuses and NTC's/NMC's which almost all players get in some way shape or form these days. It really is laughable that the owners create this and drive this, and then negotiate to stop it because they cannot control themselves.

The NHLPA caves every time, but this time I really hope they say we're prepared to sit out for years if we need to because this isn't working. And again the proof is in the numbers, the cap number not growing that is. Tells me all we need to know. So unless the cap really grows over the next 3 seasons, the players better man up this time and say we have to change the cap rules and allow more flexibility and actually grow the darn game.


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Posted 2017-07-03 4:01 PM (#677537 - in reply to #676592)
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All these crazy contracts has me thinking that the owners have some scheme cooking in the dark that they'll spring on the NHLPA at the next CBA.

The Habs are lost. Spending all that on defense and their goalie when they desperately need scoring. If they have any decent scorers they would've beat the Rangers in Round 1.

Can Gorton package AV and Holden for a decent center? If he can then I'll be more excited for this team next season, and I'll agree that Gorton is a miracle worker.
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Mikey Red
Posted 2017-07-03 4:08 PM (#677539 - in reply to #677532)
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concust - 2017-07-03 12:23 PM

5 years for Radulov is way too much. Stars will regret that in year 2 guaranteed.

Montreal may be open to Staal now
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Posted 2017-07-04 8:09 AM (#677546 - in reply to #677513)
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Shattenkirk NYR - 2017-07-03 5:01 AM

Here's a question. Any shot anyone would include Skjei in a Duchene package? Sakic wants an ELC dman. Skjei fits the bill of young up and comer. Sakic's demands are high. May take Skjei, Gropp and a 1st to get Duchene. We'd still have McDonagh, Shatt and Smith as a base (real good). And a handful of good young kids who are real close on D (including Graves). Plus Staal/Holden can man the 3rd pair well I think. And man would Duchene look good in the middle here with our forward depth and slotted in front of Ziban and Hayes at C.

Won't happen, but wonder if anyone would make that kind of deal, which is what it would take to start with for Sakic.



Our best young defensemen, one of our top prospects, and a 1st round pick for Duchene??? LUNACY!!!!!!
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Mikey Red
Posted 2017-07-04 8:27 AM (#677549 - in reply to #676592)
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No way you do that trade...Just wait it out...Sakic asking for the World for him...He aint getting it... he will end up with less. Duchene has to go, Its too toxic an atmosphere there now.
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Posted 2017-07-04 3:20 PM (#677564 - in reply to #676592)
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Looks like Kovalchuck will be staying in Mother USSR
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Posted 2017-07-04 3:26 PM (#677566 - in reply to #676592)
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Yeah, stinks for the Devs. They now get nothing for him when he returns to the NHL next season (he'll be a UFA July 1st 2018). I'm happy because Shero wasn't going to deal him here, so now he won't end up with CBJ (the only other team he wanted to go to).


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Mikey Red
Posted 2017-07-04 3:29 PM (#677567 - in reply to #676592)
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Couldn't be happier ...F them
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Posted 2017-07-05 12:56 PM (#677640 - in reply to #676592)
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edit- correction, McDavid extension reported to be 8 x $12.5m.

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Posted 2017-07-05 12:57 PM (#677641 - in reply to #677549)
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Mikey Red - 2017-07-04 9:27 AM

No way you do that trade...Just wait it out...Sakic asking for the World for him...He aint getting it... he will end up with less. Duchene has to go, Its too toxic an atmosphere there now.


I agree that Sakic has completely mishandled this situation and it needs to end one way or another, but I don't perceive there being some rampantly toxic situation. Things were WAY worse between Drouin and the Bolts and they worked it out. And yes I know he got traded later but that was the result of salary cap problems, Drouin played and played well for them. And I also think things were abundantly worse between the Sharks and Joe Thornton, and they also worked it out. Keep in mind that Duchene has not submitted an official trade request. If/when that happens then yeah, the clock will be ticking.
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