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itsmcilrathtime
Posted 2017-06-23 11:14 AM (#676879)
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Thank God. I've had it with lazy Stepan
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Mikey Red
Posted 2017-06-23 11:18 AM (#676885 - in reply to #676879)
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Hoo-ray!!!...Parlay time
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itsmcilrathtime
Posted 2017-06-23 11:22 AM (#676889 - in reply to #676879)
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If I had to watch one more season of Stepan barely try on faceoffs I was going to throw up. Finally some cap relief. Kid on defense has a lot of talent. Needs to be developed. Wouldn't be shocked to see him in the AHL were this organization will teach him how to play defense.
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robstones
Posted 2017-06-23 11:28 AM (#676891 - in reply to #676879)
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I wonder how they fill those holes.

We need aa backup and a #1 center

Jumbo Joe?
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Posted 2017-06-23 11:34 AM (#676892 - in reply to #676879)
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This Tony DeAngelo seems pretty good, too.

Was drafted by Tampa as a "Dan Boyle replacement" the year we traded for MSL.... this wasn't "our" pick they used to draft him, but we got a 1st rounder back from Tampa

And he DOES seem a lot like Dan Boyle, in all the right ways. Small but plays with an edge.... fantastic skater, check out the tape on him.... real good skater.... with sick hands and playmaking ability.

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Fish
Posted 2017-06-23 11:36 AM (#676893 - in reply to #676879)
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Well, this is an interesting move...

Now they have around $20-23M in Cap Space, depending on Klein, and they have lost two centers (Stepan and Lindberg), still need some help on D, and have 2 first round picks....
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Posted 2017-06-23 11:38 AM (#676894 - in reply to #676879)
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Posted 2017-06-23 11:44 AM (#676895 - in reply to #676879)
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For the 1st time in Years...Draft Day has become very interesting for the Rangers!!
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itsmcilrathtime
Posted 2017-06-23 11:54 AM (#676896 - in reply to #676879)
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Kid had some racial and queer insults to refs and teammates a while ago but that happens everyday in schools. Nobody hears about it. If he has grown up he should be fine. Yet, our pansy, to the left fans are already complaining about it.
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Posted 2017-06-23 12:02 PM (#676897 - in reply to #676879)
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Now do they keep the 7th overall pick.... or trade it for Trouba....

Having no 1st rounders for the past 5 years to now pick the highest I think I've ever seen us pick in my life AND at our traditional late round slot?

Thorton, Shattenkirk, and Condon could be signed as UFAs if the price is right
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Posted 2017-06-23 12:03 PM (#676898 - in reply to #676879)
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Even though i wanted Stepan traded i was not expecting this.

I will have to reserve judgement until the final roster is set. As Fish said we are 2 centers in the hole, possibly 2 dmen in the hole and a backup Goaltender (a very good one at that).
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Fish
Posted 2017-06-23 12:19 PM (#676900 - in reply to #676879)
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Yeah, the goaltending situation is a little concerning. Lundqvist dropped off significantly last year, and there's a good chance we'll see more of it again this year, so I saw Raanta as being a good option if things went south. Not sure what they're going to do there now...they're not even sure yet if they're going to qualify Skapski, Sheshterkin still has a contract in the KHL and Halverson doesn't appear ready.
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Rranger
Posted 2017-06-23 12:21 PM (#676901 - in reply to #676879)
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My first impression is tilted Arizona way. That 7th sounds good but it's reportedly a weak draft. But like mentioned wait and see.
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Posted 2017-06-23 12:22 PM (#676902 - in reply to #676900)
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Fish - 2017-06-23 8:19 PM

Yeah, the goaltending situation is a little concerning. Lundqvist dropped off significantly last year, and there's a good chance we'll see more of it again this year, so I saw Raanta as being a good option if things went south. Not sure what they're going to do there now...they're not even sure yet if they're going to qualify Skapski, Sheshterkin still has a contract in the KHL and Halverson doesn't appear ready.

There are solid goalies available as of July 1. And with our goaltending staff ability to produce the Talbot's and Raanta's of the world... I'm not too worried.

More concerned about the other holes.
And of course the Jack Adams behind the bench.
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Posted 2017-06-23 12:25 PM (#676903 - in reply to #676901)
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Rranger - 2017-06-23 8:21 PM

My first impression is tilted Arizona way. That 7th sounds good but it's reportedly a weak draft. But like mentioned wait and see.

The weak draft label might be just that. Label.
Typically used to express there are no players like McDavid or Laine available but doesn't cover the entire talent quality.
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itsmcilrathtime
Posted 2017-06-23 12:35 PM (#676904 - in reply to #676879)
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It's not a weak draft when you have Clark who hasn't had crap to work with in years. Finally, give him something.
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Posted 2017-06-23 12:44 PM (#676905 - in reply to #676900)
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Fish - 2017-06-23 2:19 PM

Yeah, the goaltending situation is a little concerning. Lundqvist dropped off significantly last year, and there's a good chance we'll see more of it again this year, so I saw Raanta as being a good option if things went south. Not sure what they're going to do there now...they're not even sure yet if they're going to qualify Skapski, Sheshterkin still has a contract in the KHL and Halverson doesn't appear ready.


There's some decent UFA goalies available...

Mike Condon
Chad Johnson
Jhonas Enroth

Enroth would probably love to backup Lundqvist...

Hellberg has also gotten his feet wet, as has Skapski
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Posted 2017-06-23 12:45 PM (#676906 - in reply to #676904)
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itsmcilrathtime - 2017-06-23 2:35 PM

It's not a weak draft when you have Clark who hasn't had crap to work with in years. Finally, give him something.


2 somethings! There has to be someone Gordie is drooling over, and thinks he can get

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Rangerjunkie
Posted 2017-06-23 1:27 PM (#676907 - in reply to #676891)
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robstones - 2017-06-23 11:28 AM

I wonder how they fill those holes.

We need aa backup and a #1 center

Jumbo Joe?


Stepan was NOT a #1 any way you slice it!!

Zib will be the #1
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Posted 2017-06-23 1:34 PM (#676908 - in reply to #676907)
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Rangerjunkie - 2017-06-23 3:27 PM

robstones - 2017-06-23 11:28 AM

I wonder how they fill those holes.

We need aa backup and a #1 center

Jumbo Joe?


Stepan was NOT a #1 any way you slice it!!

Zib will be the #1


He was our top line center for years. That's the role he played.... was he a good top line center? Eh, not really.... but that's where he played in our lineup.... pretty much since he got here....

Zinenajad isn't a #1 center either....
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Posted 2017-06-23 1:43 PM (#676909 - in reply to #676905)
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robstones - 2017-06-23 11:44 AM

Fish - 2017-06-23 2:19 PM

Yeah, the goaltending situation is a little concerning. Lundqvist dropped off significantly last year, and there's a good chance we'll see more of it again this year, so I saw Raanta as being a good option if things went south. Not sure what they're going to do there now...they're not even sure yet if they're going to qualify Skapski, Sheshterkin still has a contract in the KHL and Halverson doesn't appear ready.


There's some decent UFA goalies available...

Mike Condon
Chad Johnson
Jhonas Enroth

Enroth would probably love to backup Lundqvist...

Hellberg has also gotten his feet wet, as has Skapski


Hellberg has signed a contract in Europe...Skapski the Rangers aren't certain they'll qualify, he's didn't have the greatest year.
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Posted 2017-06-23 1:55 PM (#676910 - in reply to #676879)
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Now if they could just somehow get rid of staal the offseason will be a fantastic success.
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Mikey Red
Posted 2017-06-23 2:15 PM (#676911 - in reply to #676879)
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Yeah getting rid of Staal would be great....anybody can be backup goalie ...sign ginger and let him try...get a chad Johnson ufa...parlay the 7 into a win
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Mikey Red
Posted 2017-06-23 2:17 PM (#676912 - in reply to #676879)
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I hated Stepan since 2012 playoffs when I saw him lose every faceoff and was a turnover machine...to get a number 7 pick and a 1st rd d man...whether he is nhl material or not we'll see...but it's a good trade
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LeetchyMrRanger
Posted 2017-06-23 2:33 PM (#676913 - in reply to #676879)
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Step walks away #1 in playoff games played as a Ranger. Good luck to you, Step, I think he picks up his career again. It was obvious he stopped playing, & needed a change. Step has value & Rangers got the best they could, so it works for me.

I am going to be honest & say I only know this DeAngelo player in name only.
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Rranger
Posted 2017-06-23 2:41 PM (#676915 - in reply to #676879)
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I'm not a Stepan of the last two seasons fan at all. Before that, ya he was a contributor. But no matter how you slice it Gorton has taken a key cog out of the lineup and gotten rid of a potential number one goalie for a slightly undersized offensive defenseman (gee what coach likes those guys) and a seventh overall pick. Granted DeAngelo has some potential all star upside, but that and a bucket of spit doesn't help this season unless he steps in this year in a big way. Realistically he's going to have a roller coaster typical rookie season, even after his games with Phoenix last season. He's also not solving the first pair dman situation.
To sum up the Rangers now need at least a 1a to go with Zibanejad, a top pair right defenseman, unless this kid is a find, a fourth line centre and a backup goalie. That's still a pretty big plate. Gorton has cap room for July 1 and he's going to need it. I will hold total opinion til after free agency, I trust in Gord, but that ain't going to help this season.

Edited by Rranger 2017-06-23 2:56 PM
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Posted 2017-06-23 2:49 PM (#676916 - in reply to #676879)
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like all here will wait on what shakes out... Right now it is Zib, miller , hayes and TBD as center-ice and some cap to play with..... seems we have created some holes so hopefully there is a play in there somewhere
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Posted 2017-06-23 2:55 PM (#676917 - in reply to #676913)
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LeetchyMrRanger - 2017-06-23 1:33 PM

Step walks away #1 in playoff games played as a Ranger. Good luck to you, Step, I think he picks up his career again. It was obvious he stopped playing, & needed a change. Step has value & Rangers got the best they could, so it works for me.

I am going to be honest & say I only know this DeAngelo player in name only.


Actually Stepan is #4, behind Lundqvist, Girardi and Staal. McDonagh is one behind his 97, so will likely pass him before his career is out
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Posted 2017-06-23 3:03 PM (#676920 - in reply to #676879)
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This is a good read and realistic.

The New York Rangers were looking to shed salary, and the Arizona Coyotes were more than happy to accommodate them.

As a result, the Coyotes have a new number one centre and potentially a starting goaltender.

Statistically Speaking breaks down the deal sending Derek Stepan Antti Raanta to Arizona.

The Coyotes Get: C Derek Stepan and G Antti Raanta

Stepan, who just turned 27, has been a remarkably consistent centre for the Rangers, his point totals ranging between 51 and 57 in each of the past five full seasons (he had 44 points in the 48-game lockout season of 2012-2013). He’s also a reliable two-way player, putting up positive possession numbers in the past couple of seasons, rebounding from a 2014-105 season that was the worst of his career in that respect.

While never scoring 60 points probably diminishes the wider perception of Stepan’s value, over the past four seasons, he’s scored 1.97 points/60 during 5-on-5 play, ranking 23rd among 84 forwards to play at least 4000 5-on-5 minutes. Jonathan Toews is one spot ahead at 1.98 points/60.

He’s not Jonathan Toews, but Stepan is an effective two-way player that the Rangers have counted on to play tough matchups. Over the past four seasons, these are the five forwards that he’s played against most: Alex Ovechkin, Nicklas Backstrom, Travis Zajac, Sidney Crosby and John Tavares.

In Arizona, Stepan will be the number one centre, practically by default, because the franchise’s best forwards are all very young. Stepan’s presence will allow the Coyotes to ease the workload of centre Christian Dvorak and top prospect Dylan Strome.

Stepan is under contract for four more seasons, at a cap hit of $6.5-million. The actual cash owed over those seasons is $23-million, which adds slightly more value for a team trying to get to the cap floor. It’s a little expensive, but not outrageously so if Stepan continues to play around this level through his age 30 season.

Raanta is a 28-year-old who has been a superb backup over the past three seasons, posting a .924 save percentage in 69 games (which is nicer than the .897 save percentage he had in 25 games as a rookie in 2013-2014), and that track record makes him a likely candidate for a chance at a starting job.

Enter Arizona, a team that traded their starting netminder, Mike Smith, to Calgary and needs a new number one. Raanta will get that chance to handle a heavier workload in Arizona, with Louis Domingue there to share time.

For one more season, Raanta will be a huge bargain, making just $1-million. However, he’ll be an unrestricted free agent at the end of next season, so if he performs at the level of an NHL starter, he’ll be looking at a big raise with some term. It’s a good bet for Arizona to make, too, because if Raanta can’t handle the starting role, there isn’t a punishing long-term financial commitment.

The Rangers Get: D Anthony DeAngelo and the seventh pick in the 2017 Draft.

D’Angelo is a 21-year-old defenceman who can move the puck and quarterback the power play, but also comes with baggage. He’s been suspended for abuse of officials, was suspended in junior for a slur directed at a teammate, and was a healthy scratch a bunch in his first AHL season.

However, he’s also a very talented puck-moving defenceman, so he can help to generate offence. The downside is that he has work to do defensively, so he can be an equal opportunity contributor, creating chances at both ends of the rink.

If there is reason to have immediate optimism for DeAngelo, it’s due to his ability to quarterback the power play. In a small sample last year, Arizona was much more effective at 5-on-4 with DeAngelo on the ice.

He’ll need to improve his all-around game if he’s going to handle a top-four role for the Rangers, and he’s young enough that could happen at some point, but in the short-term, he seems more suited for third-pair and power play duty.

The real prize of the deal, for the Rangers, in addition to salary cap space, is that they get the seventh pick in the draft, which would be their first selection in the first round of the draft since 2012. That pick gives the Rangers a chance to move up further, or at least land a pretty quality centre prospect in that spot. Historically, the seventh pick brings about a 92% chance of turning into an NHL player, with a little better than a 40% chance of becoming a top-six forward, top-four defenceman or starting goaltender.

Cap savings and draft picks come at cost though. The Rangers now have a hole at centre and backup goaltender that will need to be addressed. The Blueshirts could run Mika Zibanejad and Kevin Hayes as their top two centres, but that would still require a new third-line centre to back-fill for Hayes, and fourth-line centre Oscar Lindberg just went to Vegas in the expansion draft, so the Rangers may have some more work to do. The good news is that they have some financial flexibility to address these needs.

Verdict: The Coyotes made a deal earlier in the day to get Niklas Hjalmarsson from Chicago, and after adding Stepan and Raanta, they are a much better team, as one might expect when adding a potential starting goaltender, number one centre and top-pair defenceman. The Rangers were looking to cut money from their payroll and Arizona was in position to take advantage. That’s not to say that Arizona fleeced the Rangers, because the seventh pick in the draft is a significant asset and the cap room really helps the Rangers, but the Rangers are clearly not as good after making this deal, and it will depend on how they spend their money – perhaps signing free agent defenceman Kevin Shattenkirk – to determine if the increased financial flexibility is ultimately worth it.

Scott Cullen can be reached at scott.cullen@bellmedia.ca
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Posted 2017-06-23 3:03 PM (#676921 - in reply to #676909)
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Fish - 2017-06-23 3:43 PM

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Fish - 2017-06-23 2:19 PM

Yeah, the goaltending situation is a little concerning. Lundqvist dropped off significantly last year, and there's a good chance we'll see more of it again this year, so I saw Raanta as being a good option if things went south. Not sure what they're going to do there now...they're not even sure yet if they're going to qualify Skapski, Sheshterkin still has a contract in the KHL and Halverson doesn't appear ready.


There's some decent UFA goalies available...

Mike Condon
Chad Johnson
Jhonas Enroth

Enroth would probably love to backup Lundqvist...

Hellberg has also gotten his feet wet, as has Skapski


Hellberg has signed a contract in Europe...Skapski the Rangers aren't certain they'll qualify, he's didn't have the greatest year.


Oh yeah forgot about Hellberg... Wasn't Skapski injured?
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itsmcilrathtime
Posted 2017-06-23 3:07 PM (#676922 - in reply to #676879)
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Stepan regressed the past 2 years and it can't be disputed. I am glad we are rid of him. I think Gabriel Fontaine will be a name we will hear a lot of in the future. If anybody on his sorry azzz team could play defense he wouldn't be asked to be the defensive center. He should flourish once he leaves his junior team.
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Mikey Red
Posted 2017-06-23 3:09 PM (#676924 - in reply to #676879)
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Stepan has been awful...,you can't discount enough getting rid of that terrible contract
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Mikey Red
Posted 2017-06-23 3:11 PM (#676925 - in reply to #676879)
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And Stepan is NOT a #1 Center....what is Scott Cullen using to get high?
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itsmcilrathtime
Posted 2017-06-23 3:15 PM (#676926 - in reply to #676879)
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Stepan is hardly a number 1 center. He has sucked on draws his entire life and he goes thru 20-25 game offensive slumps where he sukkkks azz
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Mikey Red
Posted 2017-06-23 3:24 PM (#676927 - in reply to #676879)
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I can't believe a lot of the "bad trade getting rid of Stepan " out there....great trade!...especially if it parlays
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