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Shattenkirk NYR
Posted 2017-07-22 4:55 PM (#678241 - in reply to #676879)
Subject: Re: Stepan and Raanta to Yotes for DeAngelo and 7th overall


Agreed it was an awful deal. I mean who in their right mind would deal Stepan (and his NTC which started July 1st) and one-year of Raanta for the 7th pick, DeAngelo, and Shatt. Insane...

And yes you need to count Shatt in that deal because ZERO shot we can sign him if Stepan is here still.

Awful deal.




Edited by Shattenkirk NYR 2017-07-22 4:57 PM
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lucifer316
Posted 2017-07-22 4:56 PM (#678242 - in reply to #676879)
Subject: Re: Stepan and Raanta to Yotes for DeAngelo and 7th overall


When did Arizona get Shattenkirk.

Oh that's right they didn't. Ever.
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Shattenkirk NYR
Posted 2017-07-22 4:57 PM (#678243 - in reply to #676879)
Subject: Re: Stepan and Raanta to Yotes for DeAngelo and 7th overall


If we don't make that deal we don't get Shatt...period. That's how the overall picture broke down. Reality.

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lucifer316
Posted 2017-07-22 4:59 PM (#678244 - in reply to #676879)
Subject: Re: Stepan and Raanta to Yotes for DeAngelo and 7th overall


Sorry but you don't get to add things to the deal that aren't part of the deal because you can't find any other way to defend the deal.

By that logic by trading Stepan we were able to keep Lundqvist on the team. So we traded Stepan for a HOF goalie. Yeah you are right what a great deal.
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lucifer316
Posted 2017-07-22 5:00 PM (#678245 - in reply to #676879)
Subject: Re: Stepan and Raanta to Yotes for DeAngelo and 7th overall


Reality is Shattenkirk was not in the deal. That is reality. Reality is the amount of cap space we currently have would fit Stepan so no we didn't need to move him to fit Shattenkirk. Reality.
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Shattenkirk NYR
Posted 2017-07-22 5:02 PM (#678247 - in reply to #676879)
Subject: Re: Stepan and Raanta to Yotes for DeAngelo and 7th overall


Realty is we do not have Shatt if we didn't deal Stepan. That's it. The rest of your comments mean nothing. Dealing the 6.5 mill of Stepan gave us the space to sign Shatt. There is ZERO ZERO shot we would have Shatt and Stepan on this team...ZERO.

And after we resign Ziban we wouldn't have close to enough space to have both Step and Shatt. It was either or, and I take Shatt every day of the week.

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Shattenkirk NYR
Posted 2017-07-22 5:04 PM (#678248 - in reply to #676879)
Subject: Re: Stepan and Raanta to Yotes for DeAngelo and 7th overall


I broke down what we did so far this summer. Off Stepan and one-year of Raanta. On 7th pick, DeAngelo, and Shatt. And we signed Pavelec also to replace Raanta. That is great GM'ing by Gorton for sure.

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lucifer316
Posted 2017-07-22 5:08 PM (#678251 - in reply to #676879)
Subject: Re: Stepan and Raanta to Yotes for DeAngelo and 7th overall


That is not the reality that is a bold faced lie. We have over $7m in cap space so we absolutely could have signed Shattenkirk with Steps on the team. You can try to lie all you want but the facts are the facts. The space doesn't lie.

Either way though it is irrelevant. Both are two separate issues. Signing Shattenkirk doesn't make trading Stepan for nothing a good move regardless of if we needed the space or not, we didn't by the way I can provide you with links if you need them. The Stepan trade was awful we got zero in return for a player with value.
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Shattenkirk NYR
Posted 2017-07-22 5:12 PM (#678252 - in reply to #676879)
Subject: Re: Stepan and Raanta to Yotes for DeAngelo and 7th overall


No it isn't. If you really think we'd have Step, and Ziban, and Shatt on this team you are flat out lying...period. There is no shot we could have all those guys. You can spew whatever you want, but there is less than a zero % chance we'd have Shatt here if we didn't deal Step. That's it.

And again, like it or not this summer has gone like this. Off Stepan and one-year of Raanta. On 7th pick, DeAngelo, and Shatt. And we signed Pavelec also to replace Raanta.

That's great stuff. That's reality.

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Shattenkirk NYR
Posted 2017-07-22 5:16 PM (#678253 - in reply to #676879)
Subject: Re: Stepan and Raanta to Yotes for DeAngelo and 7th overall


I also love how you say we got zero for Step. Even without the obvious, which is no shot we have Shatt if Stepan was here still, getting Andersson and DeAngelo (a 1st round pick with real potential) isn't zero. And once we signed Shatt it made that trade a huge HR.

If you want to say Gorton got lucky that Shatt signed for a NY discount, I'll buy that. But to act as if there is any shot we have Shatt if we didn't deal Stepan is flat out nonsense. And you have to look at it big picture full team, because the team is clearly better today than the day before we made the Stepan trade. No doubt. And we'll still add another forward I believe.




Edited by Shattenkirk NYR 2017-07-22 5:18 PM
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lucifer316
Posted 2017-07-22 5:21 PM (#678256 - in reply to #676879)
Subject: Re: Stepan and Raanta to Yotes for DeAngelo and 7th overall


https://www.capfriendly.com/

Ranger's cap space is listed at $7,608,056.

https://www.capfriendly.com/players/derek-stepan

Stepan's cap hit is listed at $6,500,000.

I am not sure why you think you can get away with lying about all of this but the proof is right there. $6.5m is less than $7.6. To suggest otherwise is flat out being dishonest.

We didn't trade Stepan for Shattenkirk. I can also provide links with proof of that if you require those as well.
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Shattenkirk NYR
Posted 2017-07-22 5:24 PM (#678257 - in reply to #676879)
Subject: Re: Stepan and Raanta to Yotes for DeAngelo and 7th overall


AGAIN...Ziban will get 4.5 or so at least. Jesus why is this so difficult. We cannot have had all of those guys. Period. Jesus you are lost here man. After we resign Ziban we'll have 2.5 to 3 mill or so left. That's it. Stop the nonsense.




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Shattenkirk NYR
Posted 2017-07-22 5:25 PM (#678258 - in reply to #676879)
Subject: Re: Stepan and Raanta to Yotes for DeAngelo and 7th overall


And AGAIN here is the summer NYR list:

Off Stepan and one-year of Raanta. On 7th pick, DeAngelo, and Shatt. And we signed Pavelec also to replace Raanta.

I would do that EVERY SINGLE DAY OF THE WEEK. Move on now. You are wrong...it's okay to say it.

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lucifer316
Posted 2017-07-22 5:31 PM (#678261 - in reply to #676879)
Subject: Re: Stepan and Raanta to Yotes for DeAngelo and 7th overall


I don't have to say it because I am not wrong. We could fit Stepan and Shattenkirk under the cap. I can show you the links again if you want. I know you keep lying about it but the links are above do you need them again. You lied when you said we traded Stepan for Shattenkirk and you lied when you said we couldn't sign Shattenkirk with Stepan on the team. You are the one who needs to move on to facts. Agaain I can provide links if you need them. Do you need a link to see who we traded Stepan for and how it wasn't Shattenkirk? Do you need the links for the cap space and Stepan again? Let me know I can post them rather easily to refute your lies.
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lucifer316
Posted 2017-07-22 5:33 PM (#678262 - in reply to #678241)
Subject: Re: Stepan and Raanta to Yotes for DeAngelo and 7th overall


Shattenkirk NYR - 2017-07-22 6:55 PM

Agreed it was an awful deal. I mean who in their right mind would deal Stepan (and his NTC which started July 1st) and one-year of Raanta for the 7th pick, DeAngelo, and Shatt. Insane...

And yes you need to count Shatt in that deal because ZERO shot we can sign him if Stepan is here still.

Awful deal.



Here is the post by the way that way you don't try to edit what you posted. You said he was dealt for Shattenkirk. A lie.
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robstones
Posted 2017-07-22 5:33 PM (#678263 - in reply to #676879)
Subject: Re: Stepan and Raanta to Yotes for DeAngelo and 7th overall



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Shattenkirk NYR
Posted 2017-07-22 5:34 PM (#678264 - in reply to #676879)
Subject: Re: Stepan and Raanta to Yotes for DeAngelo and 7th overall


Where does Ziban fit into your numbers...EXACTLY HE DOES NOT. You are laughable now bro. You are wrong and cannot admit it. We NEVER EVER have had Step and Shatt on this team...EVER...period.

No shot we'd be able to resign Ziban. And we wouldn't have looked at Shatt if we didn't get rid of Stepan's deal.

That's it. No matter how many times you try and avoid it here is the NYR summer thus far. Off Stepan and one-year of Raanta. On 7th pick, DeAngelo, and Shatt. And we signed Pavelec also to replace Raanta.

EVERY DAY OF THE WEEK...

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Shattenkirk NYR
Posted 2017-07-22 5:35 PM (#678265 - in reply to #676879)
Subject: Re: Stepan and Raanta to Yotes for DeAngelo and 7th overall


Of course you do rob. This guy is playing games. We all know it. We also all know no shot we sign Shatt if we don't deal Stepan. Everyone knows it. This dude knows it also, but now is in too deep to admit it. Funny.

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Shattenkirk NYR
Posted 2017-07-22 5:36 PM (#678267 - in reply to #676879)
Subject: Re: Stepan and Raanta to Yotes for DeAngelo and 7th overall


The only lie here is you acting as if we'd have Shatt and Stepan, when no shot that would happen. And you acting as if Ziban doesn't exist. In essence 100% it was Stepan for Shatt, and I make that deal EVERY SINGLE DAY.

Off Stepan and one-year of Raanta. On 7th pick, DeAngelo, and Shatt. And we signed Pavelec also to replace Raanta.

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lucifer316
Posted 2017-07-22 5:38 PM (#678268 - in reply to #678263)
Subject: Re: Stepan and Raanta to Yotes for DeAngelo and 7th overall


robstones - 2017-07-22 7:33 PM

Still have to sign Zibanejad....

So then the argument might be we had to move him so we could bring back Zibanejad. The fact still remains that there was room under the cap for Shattenkirk with Stepan still on the roster. That is an absolute fact. To say or suggest otherwise is lying.
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Shattenkirk NYR
Posted 2017-07-22 5:40 PM (#678270 - in reply to #676879)
Subject: Re: Stepan and Raanta to Yotes for DeAngelo and 7th overall


There is no way we'd have Shatt and Stepan on the team together...we all know it. It obviously assumes Ziban here as well since he is part of the team. If you cannot understand that concept...wow.

Off Stepan and one-year of Raanta. On 7th pick, DeAngelo, and Shatt. And we signed Pavelec also to replace Raanta.

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lucifer316
Posted 2017-07-22 5:42 PM (#678271 - in reply to #676879)
Subject: Re: Stepan and Raanta to Yotes for DeAngelo and 7th overall


We did not trade Stepan for Shattenkirk for the umpteenth time. You keep trying to suggest that when it is simply not the case. There was a trade involving Stepan. Shattenkirk was not in the deal at all. The deal we made involving Stepan was a crap deal. That is a fact. You can try to add as many things that weren't part of the deal to the deal and lie to yourself about it but you are not going to snowball me with your bullcrap.

You don't get to expand trades to include whatever you want them to. The fact that you need to continually include people who were not in a trade into the trade proves that the trade itself was in fact a crap trade. If the trade was a good trade it could be argued on it's own without lying about the actual components.
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lucifer316
Posted 2017-07-22 5:44 PM (#678272 - in reply to #676879)
Subject: Re: Stepan and Raanta to Yotes for DeAngelo and 7th overall


Stepan's cap hit is $6.5m, there is currently $7.6m in cap space. We didn't need to move Stepan's cap hit to sign Shattenkirk. That is an outright lie. The numbers are the numbers.
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Shattenkirk NYR
Posted 2017-07-22 5:44 PM (#678273 - in reply to #676879)
Subject: Re: Stepan and Raanta to Yotes for DeAngelo and 7th overall


We absolutely did in essence since we would not have Shatt here if we had Stepan here. So yes that's how it all played out. And the team as a whole is clearly better for it.

Off Stepan and one-year of Raanta. On 7th pick, DeAngelo, and Shatt. And we signed Pavelec also to replace Raanta.

EVERY SINGLE DAY.

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Shattenkirk NYR
Posted 2017-07-22 5:45 PM (#678274 - in reply to #676879)
Subject: Re: Stepan and Raanta to Yotes for DeAngelo and 7th overall


Is Ziban on the team...YES. Once his contract is locked in could we afford Shatt and Stepan...NO. So again we could not have Shatt and Stepan here...period.

Off Stepan and one-year of Raanta. On 7th pick, DeAngelo, and Shatt. And we signed Pavelec also to replace Raanta.

EVERY SIGNLE DAY.

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lucifer316
Posted 2017-07-22 5:51 PM (#678277 - in reply to #676879)
Subject: Re: Stepan and Raanta to Yotes for DeAngelo and 7th overall


We did not in essence do anything. Stepan and Raanta were traded for a 1st rounder and DeAngelo. That is it nothing else was in the deal at all.

That deal is a terrible deal period end of sentence. Again the fact that you keep needing to expand the trade to things that were not involved in it just to justify it proves it was a crap deal.

Again lie to yourself if that makes you happy but I don't buy into lies.
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Shattenkirk NYR
Posted 2017-07-22 5:54 PM (#678278 - in reply to #676879)
Subject: Re: Stepan and Raanta to Yotes for DeAngelo and 7th overall


The deal was great, and I applaud Gorton for what he has done this summer. Moving Stepan to sign Shatt was a stroke of genius. Great job by him. No shot we'd have Shatt if Stepan was here still, so awesome stuff.

Off Stepan and one-year of Raanta. On 7th pick, DeAngelo, and Shatt. And we signed Pavelec also to replace Raanta.

EVERY SINGLE DAY.

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Mikey Red
Posted 2017-07-22 5:55 PM (#678279 - in reply to #678244)
Subject: Re: Stepan and Raanta to Yotes for DeAngelo and 7th overall



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lucifer316 - 2017-07-22 4:59 PM


By that logic by trading Stepan we were able to keep Lundqvist on the team.

Dont tease me like that lol
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lucifer316
Posted 2017-07-22 6:00 PM (#678283 - in reply to #676879)
Subject: Re: Stepan and Raanta to Yotes for DeAngelo and 7th overall


You want to keep lying go right ahead. i am not buying the crap you are shoveling though that is for sure. The facts are that Shattenkirk absolutely could have been signed to a contract with Stepan on the team. The numbers don't lie even if you do.
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lucifer316
Posted 2017-07-22 6:00 PM (#678284 - in reply to #678279)
Subject: Re: Stepan and Raanta to Yotes for DeAngelo and 7th overall


Mikey Red - 2017-07-22 7:55 PM

lucifer316 - 2017-07-22 4:59 PM


By that logic by trading Stepan we were able to keep Lundqvist on the team.

Dont tease me like that lol

Tease you like what. Trading Lundqvist.
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Shattenkirk NYR
Posted 2017-07-22 6:02 PM (#678285 - in reply to #676879)
Subject: Re: Stepan and Raanta to Yotes for DeAngelo and 7th overall


You don't have to buy anything, not my goal to get you to "buy it". The truth is the truth. No shot we could have Stepan and Shatt here (Ziban is on the team despite the fact that you want to pretend he isn't and doesn't exist).

Off Stepan and one-year of Raanta. On 7th pick, DeAngelo, and Shatt. And we signed Pavelec also to replace Raanta.

EVERY SINGLE DAY.


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Mikey Red
Posted 2017-07-22 6:04 PM (#678286 - in reply to #678284)
Subject: Re: Stepan and Raanta to Yotes for DeAngelo and 7th overall



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lucifer316 - 2017-07-22 6:00 PM

Mikey Red - 2017-07-22 7:55 PM

lucifer316 - 2017-07-22 4:59 PM


By that logic by trading Stepan we were able to keep Lundqvist on the team.

Dont tease me like that lol

Tease you like what. Trading Lundqvist.

Lol Yep..Right after the Cup loss would of been a good time....His contract is now albatross too
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Mandar
Posted 2017-07-22 6:11 PM (#678289 - in reply to #676879)
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Mikey Red
Posted 2017-07-22 6:12 PM (#678290 - in reply to #676879)
Subject: Re: Stepan and Raanta to Yotes for DeAngelo and 7th overall



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lucifer316
Posted 2017-07-22 6:13 PM (#678292 - in reply to #678285)
Subject: Re: Stepan and Raanta to Yotes for DeAngelo and 7th overall


Shattenkirk NYR - 2017-07-22 8:02 PM

You don't have to buy anything, not my goal to get you to "buy it". The truth is the truth. No shot we could have Stepan and Shatt here (Ziban is on the team despite the fact that you want to pretend he isn't and doesn't exist).

Off Stepan and one-year of Raanta. On 7th pick, DeAngelo, and Shatt. And we signed Pavelec also to replace Raanta.

EVERY SINGLE DAY.


You are right the truth is the truth and the truth is that $6.5m is less than $7.6m and that doesn't even count the 10% overage in the offseason. Those are facts which you pretend don't exist. Ziban is on the team as an RFA so he has no cap hit at the current time. So the fact of the matter is Shattenkirk most certainly could have been signed without Stepan being traded. A Ziban contract likely could not have been signed in the future until something was resolved but Shattenkirk absolutely could have fit under the cap with Stepan on the team. Facts.

Again though it doesn't change the fact that a trade is a trade is a trade. Shattenkirk was not part of the Stepan deal even though you claimed he was above.
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