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ej17
Posted 2017-06-24 10:43 AM (#677064 - in reply to #677061)
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Mikey Red - 2017-06-24 12:35 PM

And why is Sather still at the table like he's part of the decision n stuff?

I don't get it, you retired get the **** on the Golf course and leave the NYR alone
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robstones
Posted 2017-06-24 10:43 AM (#677065 - in reply to #677057)
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Chytil is going to be a power house! He's 6'2" 190.... when he packs some muscle on, there will be nothing undersized about him.

Andersson is 5'11" but 200 lbs.... at 18 years old.... Kid is strong, and pushing 6'

I read where Chytil is barely 6 feet, 178lbs.

http://thehockeywriters.com/filip-chytil-2017-nhl-draft-prospect-pr...

Whatever. Neither are going to transform this team down the road from a finesse team to a power team.


Yeah, he's a teenager. They grow, he's still growing. He'll bulk up.

You're right, they aren't building a team made of towering lumbering forwards and big bodied defensemen

They're building a speedy smart three zone team
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Mikey Red
Posted 2017-06-24 11:05 AM (#677066 - in reply to #677064)
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ej17 - 2017-06-24 10:43 AM

Mikey Red - 2017-06-24 12:35 PM

And why is Sather still at the table like he's part of the decision n stuff?

I don't get it, you retired get the **** on the Golf course and leave the NYR alone

lol absolutely
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Mikey Red
Posted 2017-06-24 11:21 AM (#677067 - in reply to #676931)
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I found this ... https://www.google.com/amp/s/syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/1466...
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Rranger
Posted 2017-06-24 11:36 AM (#677068 - in reply to #676931)
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Ruff signed as assistant coach. Sounds like insurance for a management team expecting improvement in many areas out of double mint. PP PK faceoff's d zone coverage, mental readiness of players, line combo's and matchups ect. Ect. Ect.

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Mikey Red
Posted 2017-06-24 11:39 AM (#677070 - in reply to #676931)
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I like it.....promote that guy!
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DaTeL
Posted 2017-06-24 12:08 PM (#677074 - in reply to #677057)
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PV29 - 2017-06-24 6:06 PM

Whatever. Neither are going to transform this team down the road from a finesse team to a power team.

The only way that happens is with a different head coach.
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Posted 2017-06-24 12:08 PM (#677075 - in reply to #676931)
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Now of we could replace Arniel as pp coach, we'll be on to something
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Posted 2017-06-24 12:09 PM (#677076 - in reply to #677062)
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PV29 - 2017-06-24 12:11 PM

He's small. He's a nifty AV-type of player, which I dislike. This team needs (and has needed for some time) power forwards and physical D-men with size and snarl. Neither of these top 25 picks address that need, either now or in the future.

Grade = D-

A clear sign that AV is here to stay.

Unfortunately, that seems to be the case.
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Mikey Red
Posted 2017-06-24 5:41 PM (#677080 - in reply to #676931)
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I cant help it...This draft makes me think of this song Euro Trash girl by Cracker https://youtu.be/2K2teeclbR4
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Mikey Red
Posted 2017-06-24 5:47 PM (#677081 - in reply to #677051)
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robstones - 2017-06-24 9:33 AM

Mikey Red - 2017-06-24 11:02 AM

robstones - 2017-06-24 8:58 AM

Lias Andersson gets the title of "safest pick in the draft" this year... This isn't a MDZ or Sanguinetti pick where there's high upside, but needs to be molded....

This kid is one of the few said to be potentially NHL ready now. There are no flaws to his game, unless you want to call not being an elite level scorer a flaw.... Stepan isn't elite.... the guy they compare him to, Chris Kunitz, isn't elite.....

But that's why this draft is called "weak" remember? The potential elite level talent isn't there. This kid isn't going to be an allstar.

But a top 6 forward that can play in all situations is a good pickup in my book

I hope so...but dont you remember about Sanguinetti when they said "Wait til you see this kid"? Mclrath draft Pierre on TV said hell no....He said as much about Del Zotto too.




Andersson has a high floor. The worst he'll be is a career bottom 6 NHLer who kills penalties and forechecks hard.... the worst he'll be is Jesper Fast.... But there is skill there that could translate into top 6 talent as he matures and gains experience.

He will compete for Oscar Lindbergs' spot this season.....

If he ends up a bottom 6 forward with the number 7 pick....Then the grade is a D
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Mikey Red
Posted 2017-06-24 5:56 PM (#677082 - in reply to #676931)
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Sportsnet Canada broadcast draft basically called the Chtyl pick a reach... I dont know what they said about Anderson
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Rranger
Posted 2017-06-25 1:13 AM (#677084 - in reply to #676931)
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Since I've had time to research the pair and read some info on them my initial why didn't the Rangers trade down and still pick both has softened a bit, although more for Anderson than Chityl. Rumour has it the Kings we're picking Andersson if available which didn't leave a lot of trade down options. Chytil seems like he could have been had a little later but trust Gorton on his one he must have had his reasons.
Chytil only being eligible for the NHL draft by 10 days has spent his entire career battling against older players. Assuming the same eligibility cut off dates apply in his country. Players born between Sept 15 minor hockey cutoff date and December 31 are usually physically and mentally superior to kids born later and up to the following Sept 15th. During minor hockey and stepping into junior hockey the advantage of a kid born Sept 16th right after the cutoff date over a kid like Chytil born on Sept 5th almost a year later is huge physically and maturity wise. So he's been battling older players all his minor hockey life. Birth year is the first thing junior hockey scouts ask, month and day is second. By the time those with a later in the year birth like Chytil, are 19 or 20, and have personally physically and mentally reached young adult status, the age advantage kinda goes by the wayside, if they are still playing, some kids just can't make up that age difference especially if they are a little slow in the growth dept, and never move up from minor hockey. But it is a big issue for kids growing up. Next time your looking at team rosters check it out. The bulk off the players on junior, college and NHL rosters will be born between Sept 15th and the end of May.
So if your planning a new born hockey player launch, make sure it's just after Sept 15th, he will have a lot better chance of success.

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LeetchyMrRanger
Posted 2017-06-25 5:42 AM (#677085 - in reply to #676931)
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The hiring of Ruff cannot be all that good news to AV, I think, just my thought, nothing that I heard. But, I'm thinking if Rangers start slow & falter in any way, guess what & guess who is right there. I can't believe AV is very happy about this.

Only time will tell but this may go down as 1 of the worst drafts in a long time. The picking was slim according to experts (i.e. 1999).
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Mikey Red
Posted 2017-06-25 7:12 AM (#677086 - in reply to #677085)
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The seat deserves to be warm under AV...How many times did he have the wrong guys on the ice at the end of the game and we get burned? He takes good lines and blows them up...He punishes JT and Grabs...but not Stepan or Kreider
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Posted 2017-06-25 3:54 PM (#677091 - in reply to #676931)
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I think most will now agree, a great reg season coach, but that's it, reminds of Nielson.

It is interesting though every time the Rangers get into the Top 10, which is NOT often, it is a horrible draft year. Figures with Rangers luck.
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robstones
Posted 2017-06-25 4:01 PM (#677092 - in reply to #677082)
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Mikey Red - 2017-06-24 7:56 PM

Sportsnet Canada broadcast draft basically called the Chtyl pick a reach... I dont know what they said about Anderson


It'll be interesting to compare his production this year with next year's draft class.... since he is the youngest kod in this draft. They say he'd start thks year as a top 10 pick if he were part of the 2018 class
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Posted 2017-06-25 4:49 PM (#677093 - in reply to #677065)
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robstones - 2017-06-24 12:43 PM

Yeah, he's a teenager. They grow, he's still growing. He'll bulk up.

You're right, they aren't building a team made of towering lumbering forwards and big bodied defensemen

They're building a speedy smart three zone team


No guarantee that he'll do anything like that.

Size and snarl is not "lumbering". Did you watch Dumoulin and Cole play defense for the Pens in the playoffs?

Speedy and smart until they play a team that takes the body. Then they're not so speedy and not so smart and they lose in the playoffs. Again.

It's ok. I'm resigned to watching AV put out an endless parade of defensemen who, in his mind, move the puck quick and play goalie in front of Henrik instead of attacking the puck carrier and taking the body. Just biding time until they finally fire his gum-chewing ass. But until then, I will complain about it.

Edited by PV29 2017-06-25 4:50 PM
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Posted 2017-06-25 4:51 PM (#677094 - in reply to #677074)
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DaTeL - 2017-06-24 2:08 PM

PV29 - 2017-06-24 6:06 PM

Whatever. Neither are going to transform this team down the road from a finesse team to a power team.

The only way that happens is with a different head coach.


Hopefully soon. Before he pisses away another season.
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concust
Posted 2017-06-26 8:32 AM (#677102 - in reply to #677092)
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robstones - 2017-06-25 5:01 PM

Mikey Red - 2017-06-24 7:56 PM

Sportsnet Canada broadcast draft basically called the Chtyl pick a reach... I dont know what they said about Anderson


It'll be interesting to compare his production this year with next year's draft class.... since he is the youngest kod in this draft. They say he'd start thks year as a top 10 pick if he were part of the 2018 class


Right, apples to apples. Probably more fair to compare him to 2018s.

Here's a pre-draft writeup from Canucks blog, saying he could be the steal of the draft:

https://canucksarmy.com/2017/06/06/nation-network-2017-prospect-prof...





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Posted 2017-06-26 8:35 AM (#677103 - in reply to #676931)
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This is typical Clark though - find guys who fell for whatever reason ("Character", injury, "doesn't want to come to NA", youngest guy in the draft) and takes them/maximizes their value.

Did it with Duclair, Buchnevich, Sean Day, and now Chytil.
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Rranger
Posted 2017-06-26 8:43 AM (#677104 - in reply to #676931)
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When you draft that early your looking for a firstline centre or stud dman. Clark has a excellent track record, obviously he didn't think either was available. He calls this kid a dynamic player not a dynamic scorer. That's a pretty profound assessment, leaving himself wide open for criticism. Dynamic players are game changers, maybe this guy has enough offence down the road to become a top centre. It's like any other draft three, four years tells the tale.
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Posted 2017-06-26 9:02 AM (#677105 - in reply to #677057)
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PV29 - 2017-06-24 11:06 AM

robstones - 2017-06-24 11:39 AM

Chytil is going to be a power house! He's 6'2" 190.... when he packs some muscle on, there will be nothing undersized about him.

Andersson is 5'11" but 200 lbs.... at 18 years old.... Kid is strong, and pushing 6'

I read where Chytil is barely 6 feet, 178lbs.

http://thehockeywriters.com/filip-chytil-2017-nhl-draft-prospect-pr...

Whatever. Neither are going to transform this team down the road from a finesse team to a power team.



That's old information. Chytil is not a "power forward" and does not play that style, but that size is incorrect.

He was measured at 6'2.25", 192 lbs at the NHL Draft Combine in early June 2017.

http://starsandsticks.com/2017/06/03/2017-nhl-combine-heights-weigh...



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Posted 2017-06-26 11:47 AM (#677106 - in reply to #676931)
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I really don't know anything about these picks they made. But, I know 1 thing, the draft is like a lottery, like throwing darts. Luc Robitaille in the 9th rnd, Stefan #1 overall.
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Posted 2017-06-26 12:53 PM (#677110 - in reply to #677105)
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concust - 2017-06-26 11:02 AM

PV29 - 2017-06-24 11:06 AM

robstones - 2017-06-24 11:39 AM

Chytil is going to be a power house! He's 6'2" 190.... when he packs some muscle on, there will be nothing undersized about him.

Andersson is 5'11" but 200 lbs.... at 18 years old.... Kid is strong, and pushing 6'

I read where Chytil is barely 6 feet, 178lbs.

http://thehockeywriters.com/filip-chytil-2017-nhl-draft-prospect-pr...

Whatever. Neither are going to transform this team down the road from a finesse team to a power team.



That's old information. Chytil is not a "power forward" and does not play that style, but that size is incorrect.

He was measured at 6'2.25", 192 lbs at the NHL Draft Combine in early June 2017.

http://starsandsticks.com/2017/06/03/2017-nhl-combine-heights-weigh...



I didn't say power forward. He's going to be a power house, though.

17 years old, and he's 6'2" 192 lbs!!! At 17 years old!

He's going to bulk up.... he's going to get bigger. Meaner? Will he use that strength? Who knows... he's 17.... but at very least he should be hard to knock off the puck. He should be able to win battles. He's a good skater now.... what happens when you add more strength behind those strides?

He's going to bulk up, and he's going to be developing in a men's league.... playing 2nd line minutes this year.... There's real potential here
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Posted 2017-06-26 1:04 PM (#677113 - in reply to #677110)
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robstones - 2017-06-26 1:53 PM

concust - 2017-06-26 11:02 AM

PV29 - 2017-06-24 11:06 AM

robstones - 2017-06-24 11:39 AM

Chytil is going to be a power house! He's 6'2" 190.... when he packs some muscle on, there will be nothing undersized about him.

Andersson is 5'11" but 200 lbs.... at 18 years old.... Kid is strong, and pushing 6'

I read where Chytil is barely 6 feet, 178lbs.

http://thehockeywriters.com/filip-chytil-2017-nhl-draft-prospect-pr...

Whatever. Neither are going to transform this team down the road from a finesse team to a power team.



That's old information. Chytil is not a "power forward" and does not play that style, but that size is incorrect.

He was measured at 6'2.25", 192 lbs at the NHL Draft Combine in early June 2017.

http://starsandsticks.com/2017/06/03/2017-nhl-combine-heights-weigh...



I didn't say power forward. He's going to be a power house, though.

17 years old, and he's 6'2" 192 lbs!!! At 17 years old!

He's going to bulk up.... he's going to get bigger. Meaner? Will he use that strength? Who knows... he's 17.... but at very least he should be hard to knock off the puck. He should be able to win battles. He's a good skater now.... what happens when you add more strength behind those strides?

He's going to bulk up, and he's going to be developing in a men's league.... playing 2nd line minutes this year.... There's real potential here


Right, reower forward, was responding to PV.

I think the poor reaction to Chytil is because they're comparing him to the 2017 draft eligibles. And to an extent, that's fair, because he's a 2017. But if you compare him to the 2018 guys, he's probably a top 10 pick. So you're getting a 2018 top 10 guy for the #21 pick in 2017. I can live with that.

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Posted 2017-06-26 2:01 PM (#677116 - in reply to #677113)
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concust - 2017-06-26 3:04 PM

Right, reower forward, was responding to PV.

I think the poor reaction to Chytil is because they're comparing him to the 2017 draft eligibles. And to an extent, that's fair, because he's a 2017. But if you compare him to the 2018 guys, he's probably a top 10 pick. So you're getting a 2018 top 10 guy for the #21 pick in 2017. I can live with that.


Exactly. And like I said before, Martin Necas is the guy I was hoping they'd take at #7

He's 18 years old listed as 6'1" 179lbs

In 41 games he scored 7 goals and 8 assists playing on a what Pavel said is a better team in the same league as Chytil

Who in 38 games scored 4 goals and 4 assists
He also had a goal and an assist in the 2 post season games he played

Necas had 4 goals and no assists in the 10 playoff games he played

At world juniors they played on the same team
Necas: 15gp 4g 9a 13pts
Chytil: 19gp 6g 7a 13pts

Necas was drafted 12th overall....

We got Chytil at 21



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LeetchyMrRanger
Posted 2017-06-26 8:10 PM (#677118 - in reply to #676931)
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Mikey Red
Posted 2017-06-26 8:40 PM (#677119 - in reply to #677118)
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That site sucks...You are allowed to bash AV but not allowed to bash Henrik....He also gave Emerson Etem a B+ grade. NOBODY knows whats gonna happen with these kids
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Posted 2017-06-27 7:48 AM (#677133 - in reply to #676931)
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I've said this many many times, a draft is like the lottery, yeah you gotta be in it to win it, but it just that, a lottery, throwing darts.
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Posted 2017-06-30 2:43 PM (#677269 - in reply to #676931)
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Posted 2017-08-04 9:42 AM (#678691 - in reply to #676931)
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Interesting #s: Since 2000 the last expansion to 30 teams. THN raked teams in wins:
Reg Season:
Detroit 728
SJ: 702
Vancouver: 666
Sens: 665
Dallas: 663
Bruins: 657
Pitt: 656
NJD: 656
Caps: 654
NYR: 650
Ducks: 650
...so NYR Top 10

Playoffs:
Pitt: 100
Wings; 92
Ducks: 85
Sharks: 83
Hawks: 77
Boston: 65
NJD: 63
Sens: 62
NYR: 61
...so NYR Top 9

Overall Wins since 2000:
Wings
Sharks
Pitt
Ducks
Sens
Bruins
NJD
Vancouver
NYR
...overall Top 9

Also, Devils (to me) didn't expect.
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Posted 2017-08-04 10:41 AM (#678699 - in reply to #676931)
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Because of the rampant mediocrity that pervades the league, any team can rack up a ton of wins if they beat the teams as bad or worse than themselves. The Coyotes have never been considered a good team...yet the racked up a whopping 135 wins between 2009-12 (50, 43 and 42).
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Posted 2017-08-11 4:54 PM (#679110 - in reply to #676931)
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Posted 2017-08-11 5:09 PM (#679111 - in reply to #676931)
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Many Many Flaws in that article....in 3 years Staal will still be here....the rest of the lineup filled out with guys who we dont know if they are even NHL players
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