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Fish
Posted 2017-06-27 4:48 PM (#677153)
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Posted 2017-06-27 4:52 PM (#677154 - in reply to #677153)
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If term is on the cheap and he can be the bridge to one of our kids...then why not
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Posted 2017-06-27 7:13 PM (#677159 - in reply to #677153)
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He would probably fit our system better than Thornton with his speed. When was the last time Marleau played center, though?
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Posted 2017-06-27 8:07 PM (#677161 - in reply to #677153)
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Cap friendly lists him as a LW/C
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Posted 2017-06-27 8:16 PM (#677162 - in reply to #677161)
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Cap friendly lists him as a LW/C


Yeah I know he can play either.... I'm just not sure how long it's been since he was used in the middle.

Pretty sure he's been Thornton's LW for a while.... but I'm not possitive
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Posted 2017-06-27 8:21 PM (#677163 - in reply to #677153)
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Yeah Im not sure either... Gorton has work to do
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Posted 2017-06-28 4:12 AM (#677174 - in reply to #677153)
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According to Craig Custance, the Rangers are one of a few teams that is "in the mix" and talking with Sharks forward and UFA Patrick Marleau.

Other teams that have expressed interest in Marleau include Toronto, Anaheim, Carolina, Nashville, LA and the Sharks.

Pierre LeBrun noted on Monday that there is interest in Marleau.

Marleau scored 27 goals last season for San Jose, averaging 17:09 per gameand winning 53.5% of his 215 faceoffs.

He will be 38 this coming season and has played in every regular season game since the 2009-10 season.

The Rangers have also been linked to Marleau's teammate in San Jose, Joe Thornton.

A couple of years ago the Rangers, Kings and Ducks were the only teams that Marleau would reportedly waive his no-trade clause to go to.

Adam Rotter: Like Joe Thornton, Marleau only makes sense for the Rangers on a one-year deal. He is more of a wing than a center at this point in his career, which doesn't make him an exact fit, but is still relatively productive. I think he presents more risk/bust potential than Thornton would, but a potential one-year deal is something that the Rangers can explore. Ultimately Marleau first needs to decide if he wants to leave the West Coast and then see if there is common ground for a deal. If he does leave San Jose I think it's probably more likely that he ends up in LA or Anaheim than with the Rangers.
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Posted 2017-06-28 9:07 AM (#677183 - in reply to #677153)
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The thought of signing Marleau or Thornton for three years makes me puke. The Rangers have been down this road so many times. Signing players to contracts that are burden by the end.
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Posted 2017-06-28 9:46 AM (#677184 - in reply to #677153)
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Agree. Lord no
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Posted 2017-06-28 9:58 AM (#677185 - in reply to #677153)
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This couldn't have been their plan to replace Stepan from the get go.

Because if it was then we're ****ed. Cuz Gorton had gone nuts.
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Posted 2017-06-28 10:22 AM (#677186 - in reply to #677153)
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Marleau takes a little over 2 faceoffs per game. Basically at the rate that you would if you were a regular winger and your center got tossed from the circle twice in a game. He can do it, but can't comment on much consistency over the longer term.

I was not impressed with the return from the Stepan/Raanta trade and so far have been less impressed with the plan for replacement.

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Posted 2017-06-28 10:25 AM (#677187 - in reply to #677153)
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Gorton definitely has work to do.
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Posted 2017-06-28 11:09 AM (#677190 - in reply to #677186)
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concust - 2017-06-28 9:22 AM

I was not impressed with the return from the Stepan/Raanta trade and so far have been less impressed with the plan for replacement.



Well there was also the Salary Cap aspect of it, getting out from the $6.25M per year gave them some flexibility to address some thins, like perhaps resigning Brendan Smith for instance...though we're yet to see whether that eventuates
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Posted 2017-06-28 11:14 AM (#677191 - in reply to #677153)
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no, no, no. If there are that many teams interested than the price is getting high (and the term longer). No thanks.
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Posted 2017-06-28 2:49 PM (#677201 - in reply to #677190)
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Fish - 2017-06-28 12:09 PM

concust - 2017-06-28 9:22 AM

I was not impressed with the return from the Stepan/Raanta trade and so far have been less impressed with the plan for replacement.



Well there was also the Salary Cap aspect of it, getting out from the $6.25M per year gave them some flexibility to address some thins, like perhaps resigning Brendan Smith for instance...though we're yet to see whether that eventuates


Yep, they've cleared $7.5m off the books, plus another $3m if/when Klein officially retires, but the problem is there seems like no plan to replace the hole in the middle. I'd be a little more comfortable if they cleared Stepan's $6.5, got some assets, and then the plan was to sign XXXX center as a stopgap for a few years... barring a Gagner signing I don't see a realistic option here aside from just "go with what we have" or a more significant trade in the offseason. Gagner still isn't ideal but IMO he's probably one of the better options on the table right now - there just aren't a lot of choices.
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Posted 2017-06-28 3:47 PM (#677208 - in reply to #677201)
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concust - 2017-06-28 1:49 PM

Fish - 2017-06-28 12:09 PM

concust - 2017-06-28 9:22 AM

I was not impressed with the return from the Stepan/Raanta trade and so far have been less impressed with the plan for replacement.



Well there was also the Salary Cap aspect of it, getting out from the $6.25M per year gave them some flexibility to address some thins, like perhaps resigning Brendan Smith for instance...though we're yet to see whether that eventuates


Yep, they've cleared $7.5m off the books, plus another $3m if/when Klein officially retires, but the problem is there seems like no plan to replace the hole in the middle. I'd be a little more comfortable if they cleared Stepan's $6.5, got some assets, and then the plan was to sign XXXX center as a stopgap for a few years... barring a Gagner signing I don't see a realistic option here aside from just "go with what we have" or a more significant trade in the offseason. Gagner still isn't ideal but IMO he's probably one of the better options on the table right now - there just aren't a lot of choices.


Well...

It could be the case, though we are of course, not privvy to any thoughts they may have re: UFAs (soon to be resolved), and less likely, through the trade market. I think it's more accurate to say that the options speculated to this point, aren't exciting
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Posted 2017-06-29 8:22 AM (#677220 - in reply to #677208)
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concust - 2017-06-28 9:22 AM

I was not impressed with the return from the Stepan/Raanta trade and so far have been less impressed with the plan for replacement.



Well there was also the Salary Cap aspect of it, getting out from the $6.25M per year gave them some flexibility to address some thins, like perhaps resigning Brendan Smith for instance...though we're yet to see whether that eventuates


Yep, they've cleared $7.5m off the books, plus another $3m if/when Klein officially retires, but the problem is there seems like no plan to replace the hole in the middle. I'd be a little more comfortable if they cleared Stepan's $6.5, got some assets, and then the plan was to sign XXXX center as a stopgap for a few years... barring a Gagner signing I don't see a realistic option here aside from just "go with what we have" or a more significant trade in the offseason. Gagner still isn't ideal but IMO he's probably one of the better options on the table right now - there just aren't a lot of choices.


Well...

It could be the case, though we are of course, not privvy to any thoughts they may have re: UFAs (soon to be resolved), and less likely, through the trade market. I think it's more accurate to say that the options speculated to this point, aren't exciting


This is playing out pretty much like I predicted, Stepan gets traded and there's no plan for replacement. I'm glad we got some futures but there isn't even a plug to fill the hole temporarily.

But we have the cap space! And lazy Stepan is gone! Only a matter of time before lazy Hayes and his (worse) FO% are gone too, right?

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Posted 2017-06-29 4:46 PM (#677234 - in reply to #677220)
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concust - 2017-06-29 7:22 AM

This is playing out pretty much like I predicted, Stepan gets traded and there's no plan for replacement. I'm glad we got some futures but there isn't even a plug to fill the hole temporarily.

But we have the cap space! And lazy Stepan is gone! Only a matter of time before lazy Hayes and his (worse) FO% are gone too, right?



As I said before, it's hard to know at this point whether there's a plan, because if it's the free agent market they expect to go to, we will not know until Saturday and beyond. If it's through a trade we may not know for some time. Their plan may be to not get a replacement also...but it's still a plan. I think it's a bit misleading to say they don't have a plan, more to the point you don't see any options you like.
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Posted 2017-06-29 4:58 PM (#677235 - in reply to #677153)
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We'll revisit this in a couple weeks after major moves have been made. My theory is that they backed into the Stepan trade and they'll try to replace him with a bottom 6 center, and then they're going to stand pat with the defense and not sign Shattenkirk. If that's the case they will have spent the offseason creating holes and not filling them.

Maybe it'll all fall into place on July 1... I don't expect much this year though.
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Posted 2017-06-29 5:21 PM (#677236 - in reply to #677235)
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concust - 2017-06-29 3:58 PM

We'll revisit this in a couple weeks after major moves have been made. My theory is that they backed into the Stepan trade and they'll try to replace him with a bottom 6 center, and then they're going to stand pat with the defense and not sign Shattenkirk. If that's the case they will have spent the offseason creating holes and not filling them.

Maybe it'll all fall into place on July 1... I don't expect much this year though.


Well I think they probably felt that they had few options, and that replacing a center was going to be easier than trying to remake the defense with the budget they had...so they made the trade with that in mind. They probably thought that worst come to worst, they could use the players they have, sign a veteran and maybe give Andersson a shot too...although what i've seen of him, his shot looks pretty ordinary.
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Posted 2017-06-29 6:26 PM (#677238 - in reply to #677153)
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I read rumors of teams offer sheeting Leon Draisaitl

Someone on here may have posted about that being a possibility already, not sure...

11 million for 7 years

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Posted 2017-06-29 7:14 PM (#677239 - in reply to #677238)
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robstones - 2017-06-29 8:26 PM

I read rumors of teams offer sheeting Leon Draisaitl

Someone on here may have posted about that being a possibility already, not sure...

11 million for 7 years



Insanity
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Posted 2017-06-29 7:55 PM (#677244 - in reply to #677153)
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The Oil laid off one Benoit Pouliot
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Posted 2017-06-29 8:05 PM (#677245 - in reply to #677239)
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robstones - 2017-06-29 8:26 PM

I read rumors of teams offer sheeting Leon Draisaitl

Someone on here may have posted about that being a possibility already, not sure...

11 million for 7 years



Insanity


If The Oilers don't match it, Rangers lose four 1st round picks

If they do match it.... well then they'd have 24.5 million dollars invested in two players.

Draisaitl would be that legit top line center we've been complaining we haven't had since Messier, though.... it's very tempting.

Draisaitl
Zibanejad
Hayes
Andersson

Could be our 4 centers for the better part of a decade.... Chytil could pan out too, of course, but after that we wouldn't have to worry about the center ice position in the draft.....

If Shestyorkin pans out, we wouldn't have to worry about goalies either

So now you're crap shooting on wingers and D? Who needs 1st rounders?

11 million is a steep price, and a bit of a gamble that he earns that money.... but he is only 21, and was a top 10 scorer in the league last season....

Is that because of McDavid? Maybe a little.... but you could also make a case for McDavid's stats being inflated from playing with Draisaitl, too....

Insanity, indeed.
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Posted 2017-06-29 8:12 PM (#677248 - in reply to #677153)
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Blueseatblogs also wrote about getting Justin Williams, and sticking with what we have at center

Zibanejad
Miller
Hayes

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Cody Franson is another interesting UFA defensman that I noticed today who could be had on a good deal.
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Posted 2017-06-29 11:27 PM (#677253 - in reply to #677245)
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robstones - 2017-06-29 7:05 PM

Mandar - 2017-06-29 9:14 PM

robstones - 2017-06-29 8:26 PM

I read rumors of teams offer sheeting Leon Draisaitl

Someone on here may have posted about that being a possibility already, not sure...

11 million for 7 years



Insanity


If The Oilers don't match it, Rangers lose four 1st round picks

If they do match it.... well then they'd have 24.5 million dollars invested in two players.

Draisaitl would be that legit top line center we've been complaining we haven't had since Messier, though.... it's very tempting.

Draisaitl
Zibanejad
Hayes
Andersson

Could be our 4 centers for the better part of a decade.... Chytil could pan out too, of course, but after that we wouldn't have to worry about the center ice position in the draft.....

If Shestyorkin pans out, we wouldn't have to worry about goalies either

So now you're crap shooting on wingers and D? Who needs 1st rounders?

11 million is a steep price, and a bit of a gamble that he earns that money.... but he is only 21, and was a top 10 scorer in the league last season....

Is that because of McDavid? Maybe a little.... but you could also make a case for McDavid's stats being inflated from playing with Draisaitl, too....

Insanity, indeed.


I'm not against it. I think he's a supreme talent. He is a combination of skill and power that just doesn't come along every day. I've watched him a fair bit and he's as sure a bet to be a number one centre and potential star as your going to get. The Rangers have to make a run with this nucleus, with and then without Lundqvist. They are young enough up front to get by when you add Draisaitl. If DeAngelo is a solid top four dman, or better yet reaches his potential number one dman status, Skjei steadily improves, McD carries on, and Smith proves to be a top four, they can fill the 5 and 6 holes.
When I look at where the Rangers will finish we are not talking top end first round picks they will lose. They might want to hang onto their second through fourth round picks, to offset the loss of the firsts.
$10,000,000 is going to be the new norm for teams star players. $11,000,000 for the max years for Draisaitl might be a bargain half way through the term. The other issue is how long does Hank and his $8.5 mill deal hang around? He has four years, will he play them all? I haven't done the math, but if it's doable, and not a burden on other potential signings then I'd be pretty tempted.

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Posted 2017-06-30 7:54 AM (#677256 - in reply to #677220)
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I was not impressed with the return from the Stepan/Raanta trade and so far have been less impressed with the plan for replacement.



Well there was also the Salary Cap aspect of it, getting out from the $6.25M per year gave them some flexibility to address some thins, like perhaps resigning Brendan Smith for instance...though we're yet to see whether that eventuates


Yep, they've cleared $7.5m off the books, plus another $3m if/when Klein officially retires, but the problem is there seems like no plan to replace the hole in the middle. I'd be a little more comfortable if they cleared Stepan's $6.5, got some assets, and then the plan was to sign XXXX center as a stopgap for a few years... barring a Gagner signing I don't see a realistic option here aside from just "go with what we have" or a more significant trade in the offseason. Gagner still isn't ideal but IMO he's probably one of the better options on the table right now - there just aren't a lot of choices.


Well...

It could be the case, though we are of course, not privvy to any thoughts they may have re: UFAs (soon to be resolved), and less likely, through the trade market. I think it's more accurate to say that the options speculated to this point, aren't exciting


This is playing out pretty much like I predicted, Stepan gets traded and there's no plan for replacement. I'm glad we got some futures but there isn't even a plug to fill the hole temporarily.

But we have the cap space! And lazy Stepan is gone! Only a matter of time before lazy Hayes and his (worse) FO% are gone too, right?



One huge difference...Hayes didn't usually take the PP or PK face-offs. That's where stepan really killed the PP, Rangers would lose 20 seconds easily on the PP. I'm sorry you don't understand that for some reason, again I'll refer to what Messier said is the KEY to a good PP and PK....In case you don't remember, he said its the face-off!!

I don't really blame stepan for this either, (he just sucks) I blame AV, who is the idiot who kept putting out there, until the last couple of games against Ottawa.
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I would say dealing Steps is dealing with a big problem down the middle. Get what you can while you can ... and clear some cap space.

Keeping Steps would've been not dealing with the problem down the middle. He has to be the worse #1 - #2 Center in the league, hands down... and just a decent #3 center, ... and for what he was making... see ya!

Lets see what they do with the new found $$$$ before we say they aren't dealing with the problem down the middle.







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Posted 2017-06-30 10:15 AM (#677259 - in reply to #677153)
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Stepan is deserving of blame. He walks into the circle with no intensity and half azzzzes it most of the time. He to me never made any effort to get better in the dot. You never heard about him working with top faceoff guys. Hayes on the other hand made a huge improvement over his first season. You heard about how he was working on it. He was also over 50% in the playoffs. While he struggled with his play in the post season, he faceoffs were excellent. Brassard became an overpaid dog his last season here. Stepan has been an overpaid dog for 2 season. This to me why was Gorton and Clark drafted the two kids they did in the first round. They have relentless motors according to both and a good amount of talent. A lot of Rangers simply don't play that hard since they got paid. Kreider is falling into that mold.
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itsmcilrathtime - 2017-06-30 12:15 PM

Stepan is deserving of blame. He walks into the circle with no intensity and half azzzzes it most of the time. He to me never made any effort to get better in the dot. You never heard about him working with top faceoff guys. Hayes on the other hand made a huge improvement over his first season. You heard about how he was working on it. He was also over 50% in the playoffs. While he struggled with his play in the post season, he faceoffs were excellent. Brassard became an overpaid dog his last season here. Stepan has been an overpaid dog for 2 season. This to me why was Gorton and Clark drafted the two kids they did in the first round. They have relentless motors according to both and a good amount of talent. A lot of Rangers simply don't play that hard since they got paid. Kreider is falling into that mold.


Ha Ha... I always laugh when fans say players stop playing hard, when they start getting paid. But what do I know, so many fans in all sports feel this way.

But I always felt, in most cases this theory goes against everything in a players DNA... To wake up so early when they were young spending years trying to make it to the next level, then the NHL, and to compete against a world wide talent pool, to making the league, playing well for several years to earn a decent salary... then just sit back and become mediocre... I don't know.... doesn't make sense. To purposely, hold back skills, let their team mates and family down while they spent their whole lives competing at an unbelievable level... Again goes against everything in their DNA. Maybe like Rocky unconsciously they lose the eye of the tiger.

I think in Steps case, he was always a bit of an over achiever and needed to work hard on his skating. I just think he hit a wall and can't progress or stay at his younger efforts. Maybe he performs better in a different setting... but I don't think he's World Class anymore.

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Next few years will be telling...MacDavid will get this...then you give Tavares that...Draisaitl etc... Matthews...Laine....If Shattenkirk who is NOT all that gets 7 x 7.... Good luck going to a game where the last row is now a $150 seat....Going to sink the League
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Devils waive to buy out 2 guys.....they will be the ones overpaying for overrated Shattenkirk
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Mikey Red - 2017-06-30 12:27 PM

Devils waive to buy out 2 guys.....they will be the ones overpaying for overrated Shattenkirk



I still think Shattenkirk is a Ranger at start of season. He'll do the "Brad Richards UFA tour" and get a few huge offers, but ultimately settle on the Rangers. I think he'll give them a "hometown discount" and Rangers won't overpay.

Shero passed on Shattenkirk for team USA twice, so I don't know why he'd want him on the devils.

I guess we'll see.
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You laugh Bathgate because you are probably one of those dumbazzz suckers who sits up in the Blues and pays your money every year for season tickets and forgives players game after game for not trying. Stepan's effort the past 2 years has been an f'n embarrassment. Do some research and put some tape on his faceoffs. His effort in the dot is a disgrace. Brassard's defense was laughable his last year here and even the coaching staff said so. Guys like you remember a few good plays from regulars and turn a blind eye to these overpaid dogs. This team has had far too many lazy, fat cats on it the past 2 years. It's obvious. The Ottawa series showed it. They simply wanted it more.
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