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Rranger
Posted 2017-07-27 7:45 AM (#678498 - in reply to #677153)
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Buying out Staal to afford Bozak would be a brutal move. Way to much cap hit penalty. Do like I said in another post, bite the bullet this year, move Staal somehow with prospect incentives, Arizona?, trade Nash at the deadline for pieces, then would probably have to move Hayes (unless he tears it up this year) to make room and take your shot at Tavares. Its the only way the Rangers will get their hands on a center young enough to retool around.
You can win a cup with a workman like defense, but not without a dominant center. They have to get their hands on a no doubt number one center, to win a cup.

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Shattenkirk NYR
Posted 2017-07-27 8:31 AM (#678500 - in reply to #677153)
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I would go the other way and actually try and win this season. Team isn't that far off if they can add a solid top 9 C/forward, so I would go that route.

I also really think it would be a longshot for Tavares to bail on the Isles and go to the Rangers, that would be a huge F you to the Isles. Certainly put out your feelers, but that would surprise me greatly.

We'll see what Gorton does.

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Mikey Red
Posted 2017-07-27 8:54 AM (#678501 - in reply to #677153)
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No to a buyout just to get a 31 year old mediocre center...Horrible move...Yes they can have a shot...If you are gonna do something...do something legit
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Shattenkirk NYR
Posted 2017-07-27 8:58 AM (#678502 - in reply to #677153)
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Agreed...I wouldn't buy out Staal either. Way too much of a penalty.

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Mikey Red
Posted 2017-07-27 8:59 AM (#678503 - in reply to #677153)
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Tavares is not coming here...its just the way it is...I would be shocked....If you want a top flight center...go offer sheet Draisaitl... He is a better Center now than any of the draft picks you will lose in compensation...and he's 21 Tavares will be 28 at the start of next season.
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Mjolnir
Posted 2017-07-27 10:23 AM (#678504 - in reply to #678500)
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Shattenkirk NYR - 2017-07-27 10:31 AM

I would go the other way and actually try and win this season. Team isn't that far off if they can add a solid top 9 C/forward, so I would go that route.

I also really think it would be a longshot for Tavares to bail on the Isles and go to the Rangers, that would be a huge F you to the Isles. Certainly put out your feelers, but that would surprise me greatly.

We'll see what Gorton does.



This is too funny...Rangers are not "that far off" from the Cup. The "window" has closed more and more each year.
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Shattenkirk NYR
Posted 2017-07-27 10:33 AM (#678505 - in reply to #677153)
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Crazy the way some of you view this team. With a good top 9 C/forward added this team can be right in the mix for sure.




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Mcphee
Posted 2017-07-27 11:04 AM (#678507 - in reply to #678503)
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Mikey Red - 2017-07-27 10:59 AM

Tavares is not coming here...its just the way it is...I would be shocked....If you want a top flight center...go offer sheet Draisaitl... He is a better Center now than any of the draft picks you will lose in compensation...and he's 21 Tavares will be 28 at the start of next season.

The offer for Draisaitl would put the Rangers way over the Cap.Maybe too much to be within 10%You would have to move 3 or 4 guys on the roster to sign him.I would imagine the offer sheet would have to be somewhere in the 10 million range to scare Edmonton off.
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Rranger
Posted 2017-07-27 11:46 AM (#678508 - in reply to #678503)
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Mikey Red - 2017-07-27 7:59 AM

Tavares is not coming here...its just the way it is...I would be shocked....If you want a top flight center...go offer sheet Draisaitl... He is a better Center now than any of the draft picks you will lose in compensation...and he's 21 Tavares will be 28 at the start of next season.




Mike if Toronto is out of the picture it's open season on Tavares. His agent knows he's going to get paid. What player in their right mind would sign on with the Islanders? If it's not those two teams then the Rangers can sign him. He's 28 and just entering his prime. With Zibanejads affordable contract added to the Tavares one the Rangers wouldn't be in to bad a shape on the top two centres contracts. The casualty would be Hayes, but if Andersson is anything he could be a third line center a year from now.
Even if the Rangers trade for Bozak they are not challenging for anything but a playoff spot as constructed. No star center no cup.

"Disclaimer" No where am I saying buy out Staal...

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Mjolnir
Posted 2017-07-27 1:32 PM (#678509 - in reply to #678508)
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Mikey Red - 2017-07-27 7:59 AM

Tavares is not coming here...its just the way it is...I would be shocked....If you want a top flight center...go offer sheet Draisaitl... He is a better Center now than any of the draft picks you will lose in compensation...and he's 21 Tavares will be 28 at the start of next season.




Mike if Toronto is out of the picture it's open season on Tavares. His agent knows he's going to get paid. What player in their right mind would sign on with the Islanders? If it's not those two teams then the Rangers can sign him. He's 28 and just entering his prime. With Zibanejads affordable contract added to the Tavares one the Rangers wouldn't be in to bad a shape on the top two centres contracts. The casualty would be Hayes, but if Andersson is anything he could be a third line center a year from now.
Even if the Rangers trade for Bozak they are not challenging for anything but a playoff spot as constructed. No star center no cup.

"Disclaimer" No where am I saying buy out Staal...


Toronto?
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Mjolnir
Posted 2017-07-27 1:32 PM (#678510 - in reply to #678505)
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Shattenkirk NYR - 2017-07-27 12:33 PM

Crazy the way some of you view this team.




It's called "reality".

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Rranger
Posted 2017-07-27 1:53 PM (#678511 - in reply to #678509)
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Mjolnir - 2017-07-27 12:32 PM

Rranger - 2017-07-27 1:46 PM

Mikey Red - 2017-07-27 7:59 AM

Tavares is not coming here...its just the way it is...I would be shocked....If you want a top flight center...go offer sheet Draisaitl... He is a better Center now than any of the draft picks you will lose in compensation...and he's 21 Tavares will be 28 at the start of next season.




Mike if Toronto is out of the picture it's open season on Tavares. His agent knows he's going to get paid. What player in their right mind would sign on with the Islanders? If it's not those two teams then the Rangers can sign him. He's 28 and just entering his prime. With Zibanejads affordable contract added to the Tavares one the Rangers wouldn't be in to bad a shape on the top two centres contracts. The casualty would be Hayes, but if Andersson is anything he could be a third line center a year from now.
Even if the Rangers trade for Bozak they are not challenging for anything but a playoff spot as constructed. No star center no cup.

"Disclaimer" No where am I saying buy out Staal...


Toronto?



His home town.
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Shattenkirk NYR
Posted 2017-07-27 2:14 PM (#678512 - in reply to #677153)
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Is it reality? Multiple ECF's, a SCF, 2nd round last season (poor coaching away from making the ECF again). Pretty solid track record. I don't know.

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Mikey Red
Posted 2017-07-27 5:05 PM (#678513 - in reply to #678507)
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Mcphee - 2017-07-27 11:04 AM

Mikey Red - 2017-07-27 10:59 AM

Tavares is not coming here...its just the way it is...I would be shocked....If you want a top flight center...go offer sheet Draisaitl... He is a better Center now than any of the draft picks you will lose in compensation...and he's 21 Tavares will be 28 at the start of next season.

The offer for Draisaitl would put the Rangers way over the Cap.Maybe too much to be within 10%You would have to move 3 or 4 guys on the roster to sign him.I would imagine the offer sheet would have to be somewhere in the 10 million range to scare Edmonton off.

I absolutely hear you...Yes if you can move Staal, Holden, Nash....Just maybe then lol
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Mikey Red
Posted 2017-07-27 5:07 PM (#678514 - in reply to #678508)
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Rranger - 2017-07-27 11:46 AM

Mikey Red - 2017-07-27 7:59 AM

Tavares is not coming here...its just the way it is...I would be shocked....If you want a top flight center...go offer sheet Draisaitl... He is a better Center now than any of the draft picks you will lose in compensation...and he's 21 Tavares will be 28 at the start of next season.




Mike if Toronto is out of the picture it's open season on Tavares. His agent knows he's going to get paid. What player in their right mind would sign on with the Islanders? If it's not those two teams then the Rangers can sign him. He's 28 and just entering his prime. With Zibanejads affordable contract added to the Tavares one the Rangers wouldn't be in to bad a shape on the top two centres contracts. The casualty would be Hayes, but if Andersson is anything he could be a third line center a year from now.
Even if the Rangers trade for Bozak they are not challenging for anything but a playoff spot as constructed. No star center no cup.

"Disclaimer" No where am I saying buy out Staal...

True R... I just dont think he's crossing the Hugh Carey Tunnel....Just a proximity thing I guess. But you a re most certainly not wrong
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Mikey Red
Posted 2017-07-27 5:08 PM (#678515 - in reply to #678510)
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Mjolnir - 2017-07-27 1:32 PM

Shattenkirk NYR - 2017-07-27 12:33 PM

Crazy the way some of you view this team.




It's called "reality".

he he he .... MJ Tribe still running away with the Central
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Mikey Red
Posted 2017-07-27 5:14 PM (#678516 - in reply to #677153)
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In the meantime with the tools we have in the box.....Duchene, Mackinnon, and Trouba are out there.....to me...Kreider is in play to make that happen....I dont want Bozak...We need cornerstone pieces...Not Pavel Bure after the 15th knee surgery...Eric Lindros after the 90th concussion... Rick Nash after 10 years and a million miles on him etc...LGR....
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Mikey Red
Posted 2017-07-27 5:16 PM (#678517 - in reply to #677153)
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Perhaps the true NYR fans that are still in the building can start a Lindy...Lindy chant come Spring 2018
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Mikey Red
Posted 2017-07-27 5:20 PM (#678518 - in reply to #677153)
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Doublemint, Chewbacca, Bazzoka Joe...I forgot some of the others....Im sick of the guy...He has screwed us form getting to where we want to be...Forgets whos's on the bench.....F'n Staal, Holden, Stepan on the ice at the times we got burned etc...Who is running the show? is Gorton on the ball?
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Mikey Red
Posted 2017-07-27 11:00 PM (#678520 - in reply to #677153)
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https://youtu.be/xIW4Bsp9ZqQ just some good time reminiscing...I was at this game...way upstairs...When the goal was scored...I was in the middle of the row...by the time the anarchy riot stopped...I was in the aisle...My only critique of the goal was that there should of been a little kid pile on in the corner
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Posted 2017-07-28 7:31 AM (#678523 - in reply to #678514)
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Mikey Red - 2017-07-27 6:07 PM

Rranger - 2017-07-27 11:46 AM

Mikey Red - 2017-07-27 7:59 AM

Tavares is not coming here...its just the way it is...I would be shocked....If you want a top flight center...go offer sheet Draisaitl... He is a better Center now than any of the draft picks you will lose in compensation...and he's 21 Tavares will be 28 at the start of next season.




Mike if Toronto is out of the picture it's open season on Tavares. His agent knows he's going to get paid. What player in their right mind would sign on with the Islanders? If it's not those two teams then the Rangers can sign him. He's 28 and just entering his prime. With Zibanejads affordable contract added to the Tavares one the Rangers wouldn't be in to bad a shape on the top two centres contracts. The casualty would be Hayes, but if Andersson is anything he could be a third line center a year from now.
Even if the Rangers trade for Bozak they are not challenging for anything but a playoff spot as constructed. No star center no cup.

"Disclaimer" No where am I saying buy out Staal...

True R... I just dont think he's crossing the Hugh Carey Tunnel....Just a proximity thing I guess. But you a re most certainly not wrong



Hahah I don't think I've ever met anyone that actually said "Hugh Carey Tunnel." Do you say RFK Bridge too?



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Mikey Red
Posted 2017-07-28 8:56 AM (#678526 - in reply to #678523)
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concust - 2017-07-28 7:31 AM

Mikey Red - 2017-07-27 6:07 PM

Rranger - 2017-07-27 11:46 AM

Mikey Red - 2017-07-27 7:59 AM

Tavares is not coming here...its just the way it is...I would be shocked....If you want a top flight center...go offer sheet Draisaitl... He is a better Center now than any of the draft picks you will lose in compensation...and he's 21 Tavares will be 28 at the start of next season.




Mike if Toronto is out of the picture it's open season on Tavares. His agent knows he's going to get paid. What player in their right mind would sign on with the Islanders? If it's not those two teams then the Rangers can sign him. He's 28 and just entering his prime. With Zibanejads affordable contract added to the Tavares one the Rangers wouldn't be in to bad a shape on the top two centres contracts. The casualty would be Hayes, but if Andersson is anything he could be a third line center a year from now.
Even if the Rangers trade for Bozak they are not challenging for anything but a playoff spot as constructed. No star center no cup.

"Disclaimer" No where am I saying buy out Staal...

True R... I just dont think he's crossing the Hugh Carey Tunnel....Just a proximity thing I guess. But you a re most certainly not wrong



Hahah I don't think I've ever met anyone that actually said "Hugh Carey Tunnel." Do you say RFK Bridge too?




hahahaha lol absolutely not ...I am a tri boro bridge guy forever....I hate that they changed the name to RFK...He has a stadium in D.C. named for him already
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Mikey Red
Posted 2017-07-28 8:58 AM (#678527 - in reply to #677153)
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I can guarantee you that both boros that the Battery tunnel connects....very very very few people know who Hugh Carey was
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Posted 2017-07-28 10:24 AM (#678528 - in reply to #678527)
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Mikey Red - 2017-07-28 10:58 AM

I can guarantee you that both boros that the Battery tunnel connects....very very very few people know who Hugh Carey was

Come On..thats easy... Cubs Announcer ,
Always sang take me out to the Ball game..
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Mikey Red
Posted 2017-07-28 10:40 AM (#678529 - in reply to #678528)
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Mikey Red - 2017-07-28 10:58 AM

I can guarantee you that both boros that the Battery tunnel connects....very very very few people know who Hugh Carey was

Come On..thats easy... Cubs Announcer ,
Always sang take me out to the Ball game..

lol lol ha ha yep...
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Posted 2017-07-28 12:37 PM (#678531 - in reply to #677153)
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What are the Rangers going to do with Nick Holden?
7/28/17 2:17PM
Larry Brooks wrote earlier this week that Rangers are "expected to attempt" to trade Nick Holden in exchange for potential help at center. (NY Post)
Brooks wrote on Wednesday that the Rangers could move Holden for draft picks to both remove him from the crowded defense and also to clear a bit more cap space. (NY Post)
He also wrote last weekend that there is a "glut" of defensemen that could be moved, including many from Vegas, that is holding up a potential trade market. (NY Post)
Holden, 30, is a UFA at the end of the season and has a cap hit of $1.65 million but an actual salary of $1.8 million.

Adam Rotter: Unless the Rangers have another move planned, I think Nick Holden starts the season with them. He would be the sixth defenseman and provide a bit of insurance in the event that the young defensemen the Rangers have all need a bit of time in Hartford. While I think there is a pretty good chance that Holden will start the season with the Rangers, I think there is more than a pretty good chance that he won't end the season with the Rangers. Unless he plays at the level he did in the first part of last season, or the Rangers are decimated by injuries, at some point they will likely use him to land a depth center from a team that needs a depth defenseman.
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Rranger
Posted 2017-07-28 12:43 PM (#678532 - in reply to #677153)
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If DeAngelo, Pionk, and Bereglazov can't come in and make as many mistakes as Holden did last season then they shouldn't be here this season.

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Mjolnir
Posted 2017-07-28 6:14 PM (#678536 - in reply to #678515)
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Mikey Red - 2017-07-27 7:08 PM

Mjolnir - 2017-07-27 1:32 PM

Shattenkirk NYR - 2017-07-27 12:33 PM

Crazy the way some of you view this team.




It's called "reality".

he he he .... MJ Tribe still running away with the Central
More like backing away. Their pitching is shakey.
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Posted 2017-07-29 5:27 AM (#678538 - in reply to #677153)
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Over at nhlnumbers.com, Rangers are listed at $74 K over the cap with 2 spots open. Trading Holden gets us $1.65 M cap space, just about enough to add Andersson and Bereglazov. IF Miller is moved to center AND AV will play him there, doesl AV yell loud enough to get his BFF, Tanner Glass, back?
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Posted 2017-07-29 1:46 PM (#678544 - in reply to #677153)
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For the first time. I would buy out Staal. Rangers can use Graves, Bereglazov and DeAngelo there. Those kids will be dirt cheap for at least 3 years. So, it's not the end of the world. Staal is well on his way to sucking asssssssssss. Said 3 months ago. Want to go young on D.
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Mikey Red
Posted 2017-07-29 1:54 PM (#678545 - in reply to #677153)
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Cap hit too steep....And nobody knows if the other 3 are NHL legit
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Shattenkirk NYR
Posted 2017-07-29 2:06 PM (#678546 - in reply to #677153)
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Staal's buyout most likely happens next summer, which would be with the same # of years remaining as Girardi had when he was bought out. Truth is Staal should be a solid 3rd pair dman for us. No way worth a 5.7 mill cap hit, but if his cap hit was 2.5 to 3 mill he would be perfect for the role he should play this upcoming season. I say should because I still have some doubts AV realizes Staal is a 3rd pair dman and needs to be treated as such, and also should be given games off here and there.

If used correctly I think Staal can be a plus for us this season on the ice. He won't be big picture because his cap hit is 3 mill too much for his new role, but on the ice he can be solid on the 3rd pair.

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Posted 2017-07-29 2:34 PM (#678547 - in reply to #677153)
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Staal had a decent season last year. Skjei has clearly passed him on the depth chart, but I see trade value there over Holden.

I'd sooner waive Holden and trade Staal, then buyout Staal, and try trading Holden.
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Posted 2017-07-29 2:45 PM (#678549 - in reply to #677153)
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I'd love to see the team that would deal for Staal and his 5.7 mill cap hit. If he had value he'd be gone already, so I don't buy that one at all (unless we package good pieces with him like a young prospect or a pick). Plus he'd have to okay a trade as well. I don't see him having value. Maybe if we retained some of his cap hit, maybe we could move him then without having to add a good sweetener into the deal. Even then long shot that he'd have to okay.

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Mikey Red
Posted 2017-07-29 3:04 PM (#678550 - in reply to #677153)
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Staal contract so bad....Half a Decade left on it
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