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itsmcilrathtime
Posted 2017-06-30 5:33 PM (#677271 - in reply to #677153)
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Grigorenko wasn't given an offer. 57% on draws last year with great size. Tells me his effort wasn't there for how young he is. Rather they sign him on a 2 year deal.
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Posted 2017-07-01 12:09 AM (#677275 - in reply to #677270)
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Fish - 2017-06-30 11:42 PM

Darren Dreger reporting Rangers in discussions with Ondrej Pavelec

After having Talbot and Raanta as the last two second goalies, Pavelec would be step in the wrong direction quality-wise.
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itsmcilrathtime
Posted 2017-07-01 5:22 AM (#677278 - in reply to #677153)
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Yeah because Talbot and Raanta had such great careers before BA unscrewed them. When will people learn how great our goalie coach is.
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Posted 2017-07-01 6:04 AM (#677279 - in reply to #677256)
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Rangerjunkie - 2017-06-30 8:54 AM

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concust - 2017-06-28 9:22 AM

I was not impressed with the return from the Stepan/Raanta trade and so far have been less impressed with the plan for replacement.



Well there was also the Salary Cap aspect of it, getting out from the $6.25M per year gave them some flexibility to address some thins, like perhaps resigning Brendan Smith for instance...though we're yet to see whether that eventuates


Yep, they've cleared $7.5m off the books, plus another $3m if/when Klein officially retires, but the problem is there seems like no plan to replace the hole in the middle. I'd be a little more comfortable if they cleared Stepan's $6.5, got some assets, and then the plan was to sign XXXX center as a stopgap for a few years... barring a Gagner signing I don't see a realistic option here aside from just "go with what we have" or a more significant trade in the offseason. Gagner still isn't ideal but IMO he's probably one of the better options on the table right now - there just aren't a lot of choices.


Well...

It could be the case, though we are of course, not privvy to any thoughts they may have re: UFAs (soon to be resolved), and less likely, through the trade market. I think it's more accurate to say that the options speculated to this point, aren't exciting


This is playing out pretty much like I predicted, Stepan gets traded and there's no plan for replacement. I'm glad we got some futures but there isn't even a plug to fill the hole temporarily.

But we have the cap space! And lazy Stepan is gone! Only a matter of time before lazy Hayes and his (worse) FO% are gone too, right?



One huge difference...Hayes didn't usually take the PP or PK face-offs. That's where stepan really killed the PP, Rangers would lose 20 seconds easily on the PP. I'm sorry you don't understand that for some reason, again I'll refer to what Messier said is the KEY to a good PP and PK....In case you don't remember, he said its the face-off!!

I don't really blame stepan for this either, (he just sucks) I blame AV, who is the idiot who kept putting out there, until the last couple of games against Ottawa.


You are aware that Hayes' FO% is worse than Stepan's right? If that's the case then how does getting rid of Stepan help.

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Posted 2017-07-01 6:10 AM (#677280 - in reply to #677278)
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itsmcilrathtime - 2017-07-01 6:22 AM

Yeah because Talbot and Raanta had such great careers before BA unscrewed them. When will people learn how great our goalie coach is.


Allaire can't just turn sh!t into shinola. He worked with Talbot for 5 years, Raanta for 2 before they really started to come into their own. I don't really have an issue with Pavelec as long as he's cheap but Allaire can't make him better overnight.

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Posted 2017-07-01 6:25 AM (#677282 - in reply to #677153)
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We didn't win the cup with Stepan as our top center.... again....

They signed him to that contract in faith that he would produce even better.... that his best years were ahead.

A lot of this team got better last year... Hayes, Miller, Skjei, McDonagh had a fantastic year, Nash was good...

When we talk about guys not earning their contract, Stepan is up there with Girardi on list of underachievers... and they're both gone.


Now rumors are that NYR aren't willing to overpay for Shattenkirk.

If they aren't willing to overpay for Shatt, I can't see them overpaying for anyone anymore. Trading Stepan... getting rid of that contract is as much as part of the return as anything.

We'll see who fills out the roster spot, but to say they don't have a plan is ignorant. We don't know what they're going to do isn't the same as they don't know what they're doing....

Lias Andersson looks like a good pick to me. He should develop in to a reliable top 6 forward, and should compete for a roster spot this year.... pretty good return....

DeAngelo.... have you seen the tape on this kid? There's a real fear that he's Del Zotto 2.0, but he has way more skill than Del Zotto.... and he plays with an edge. All the talk about how soft our team is.... this is a Jersey kid who isn't afraid to punch you in the face and play a physical game.

And he's a PP specialist. Universally seen as a 4th forward on the ice.

As for save % Hayes isn't good on faceoffs either, but if the 2 centers that fill the roster spots of Lindberg and Stepan are better at them in the dots, than that makes this team better next year, too.....

So ultimately, it's impossible to judge this until the dust settles. Let the dominos fall.... Let's see what Lias Andersson and Tony D look like in preseason.

Let's see who they get to fill out the rest of the roster including the backup..... because as good as Raanta is, we had to trade him. He wasn't going to resign to be a backup. We either trade him, or lose him for nothing.

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Posted 2017-07-01 7:21 AM (#677283 - in reply to #677153)
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We need a center that can win a >55% of faceoffs. We haven't had one since.... I can't even remember... The rangers are as good a 5 on 5 team as there is year in and year out. It's about the power play. which is putrid. We generate better scoring chances on the PK than the PP so it seems.
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itsmcilrathtime
Posted 2017-07-01 7:26 AM (#677284 - in reply to #677153)
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IMO, the first huge problem with the defense has been the atrocious defensive play of Brassard and Stepan. You can't have one of your top centers suck defensively. Forget it if you have two. Stepan's defense has been beyond overrated the past couple years. Brassard mailed it in his last year here defensively. Just awful. Both overpaid and inconsistent. Second, the defense got way too slow and has immense trouble with speed teams. There was a reason McDonagh and Skjei are by far our best defenseman. They are great skaters. DeAngelo can fly. Del Zotto was never a great skater IMO. He was also dumb and wasn't all that dedicated. Excited to see what DeAngelo can do. Graves is a future top 3 guy IMO. He played on a horrific Pack team. I expect him to make this team. Gorton should probably deal Holden now because AV is a stubborn mule and is in love with vets and rarely punishes them whey they suck. Third, the defense was way too soft. Smith plays with an edge. So does DeAngelo. So does Graves. This is what our defense needs. Along with more speed. Fourth, a lack of overall effort from some of our highest paid players just kills this team. If these dopes can't look at Zucc and Fast and see that's how you have to play if you want to win a cup, there is no saving them.

I think this season will be Kreider's last in NY if he can't put it all together.

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Posted 2017-07-01 8:03 AM (#677285 - in reply to #677153)
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Yeah Kreider has until the trade deadline to show he's not a puss posing as a power forward.

Guy came in last year saying, and I quote: "I want to be a bully on the ice"

A bully.....
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Posted 2017-07-01 8:11 AM (#677286 - in reply to #677153)
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They say Ondrej Pavelec is our new backup goalie
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Posted 2017-07-01 8:47 AM (#677295 - in reply to #677271)
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itsmcilrathtime - 2017-06-30 6:33 PM

Grigorenko wasn't given an offer. 57% on draws last year with great size. Tells me his effort wasn't there for how young he is. Rather they sign him on a 2 year deal.


I would take a flyer on him on a one or two year "prove it" deal, with the understanding that teams don't trade/not qualify big 23 year old centers with offensive talent, unless there's a good reason. In other words I wouldn't expect much out of him but as a young bottom 6 with potential upside, then sure, sign him rather than some retread who's been playing in europe or just got out of the substance abuse program.
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Posted 2017-07-01 5:37 PM (#677407 - in reply to #677153)
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Gorton has talked about it and mentioned Miller as capable of playing centre. Rangers should be concentrating on obtaining a fourth line centre, and if available one better than Hayes, Miller, or Zibanejad. Grigorenko is neither, and just takes up space til he finishes dissapointing you, just like he did Buffalo and Colorado.

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itsmcilrathtime
Posted 2017-07-02 3:29 AM (#677445 - in reply to #677153)
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This team has way too many defenseman. It's nonsense that you can't have too many defenseman. Yes. You can. Especially when you are thin up the middle. AV seems to be up to his old, stubborn, thickhead moves of blocking young players. They have Graves, DeAngelo, Point, Day and Bereglazov. All I see is Holden and Staal blocking them. Honestly, I was surprised they brought back Smith if they thought there was any chance they would get Shattenkirk.
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Posted 2017-07-02 6:43 AM (#677453 - in reply to #677153)
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There's 7 defenseman.... 8 if you count Graves....
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Posted 2017-07-02 4:45 PM (#677487 - in reply to #677153)
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I have a feeling they sign Kevin's brother Jimmy

Nash Zibanejad Zuccarello
Kreider Miller Buchnevich
Vesey K.Hayes J.Hayes
Grabner Andersson Fast

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Pierre_Pdare
Posted 2017-07-02 6:18 PM (#677493 - in reply to #677153)
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can we sign Willie Mays-Hayes too?
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Posted 2017-07-02 6:34 PM (#677496 - in reply to #677487)
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robstones - 2017-07-02 5:45 PM

I have a feeling they sign Kevin's brother Jimmy



I'd sooner sign Vesey's sister than Jimmy Hayes.

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Posted 2017-07-02 7:20 PM (#677497 - in reply to #677496)
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concust - 2017-07-02 8:34 PM

robstones - 2017-07-02 5:45 PM

I have a feeling they sign Kevin's brother Jimmy



I'd sooner sign Vesey's sister than Jimmy Hayes.



Ha Vesey's got a sister!?
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Posted 2017-07-02 7:45 PM (#677498 - in reply to #677153)
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Tomorrow is supposedly Kovalchuk day.
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Mikey Red
Posted 2017-07-02 9:05 PM (#677500 - in reply to #677153)
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Just say No!
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Posted 2017-07-02 9:22 PM (#677501 - in reply to #677496)
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concust - 2017-07-02 8:34 PM

robstones - 2017-07-02 5:45 PM

I have a feeling they sign Kevin's brother Jimmy



I'd sooner sign Vesey's sister than Jimmy Hayes.


I would be willing to sign her.
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Posted 2017-07-02 9:22 PM (#677502 - in reply to #677500)
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Mikey Red - 2017-07-02 11:05 PM

Just say No!
Sounded like you are in the church.
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Posted 2017-07-02 9:34 PM (#677503 - in reply to #677502)
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Blue404 - 2017-07-02 9:22 PM

Mikey Red - 2017-07-02 11:05 PM

Just say No!
Sounded like you are in the church.

Lol Yes...I was looking for Stellas
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Posted 2017-07-02 9:35 PM (#677504 - in reply to #677153)
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Blue did the NJ migrants try to come to South Beach...since Christie shut the State parks down?
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Posted 2017-07-02 9:42 PM (#677505 - in reply to #677504)
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Mikey Red - 2017-07-02 11:35 PM

Blue did the NJ migrants try to come to South Beach...since Christie shut the State parks down?
They go to the shores at south beach in NJ,south on Garden state parkway.
Water here is much calmer though but the quality of water sucks though its improving.(i really hope so it does)
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Posted 2017-07-02 9:44 PM (#677506 - in reply to #677153)
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I usually go to Gateways park beach.It;s a little bit better in my opinion.More hockey friendly than basketball.
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Posted 2017-07-02 9:55 PM (#677507 - in reply to #677153)
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Lol Yeah Hockey friendly crowd is the key.... I might go to the Sandy Hook in a couple of weeks
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Shattenkirk NYR
Posted 2017-07-03 4:00 AM (#677508 - in reply to #677153)
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Right now I think Kovy goes to CBJ if he comes back to the NHL. That team is going to be real good next season.

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Posted 2017-07-03 8:18 AM (#677520 - in reply to #677504)
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Mikey Red - 2017-07-02 11:35 PM

Blue did the NJ migrants try to come to South Beach...since Christie shut the State parks down?


We can still go to our beaches.... there just won't be any life guards
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Posted 2017-07-03 8:19 AM (#677521 - in reply to #677508)
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Shattenkirk NYR - 2017-07-03 6:00 AM

Right now I think Kovy goes to CBJ if he comes back to the NHL. That team is going to be real good next season.



I don't think NJ is going to let him walk for nothing.

I'd take him.
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Mikey Red
Posted 2017-07-03 8:41 AM (#677522 - in reply to #677520)
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robstones - 2017-07-03 8:18 AM

Mikey Red - 2017-07-02 11:35 PM

Blue did the NJ migrants try to come to South Beach...since Christie shut the State parks down?


We can still go to our beaches.... there just won't be any life guards

I have a rule about going in the water anyway... I dont lol. An having to buy a beach badge in most places is beyond reprehensible

Edited by Mikey Red 2017-07-03 8:42 AM
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Posted 2017-07-04 8:16 AM (#677547 - in reply to #677522)
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Mikey Red - 2017-07-03 8:41 AM

robstones - 2017-07-03 8:18 AM

Mikey Red - 2017-07-02 11:35 PM

Blue did the NJ migrants try to come to South Beach...since Christie shut the State parks down?


We can still go to our beaches.... there just won't be any life guards

I have a rule about going in the water anyway... I dont lol. An having to buy a beach badge in most places is beyond reprehensible


YOU WUSS!!

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Posted 2017-07-04 8:23 AM (#677548 - in reply to #677547)
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Posted 2017-07-05 8:22 AM (#677619 - in reply to #677153)
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Ilya Kovalchuk has decided to stay in Russia for another season

9:26AM 7/5/17


Ilya Kovalchuk's agent Jay Grossman confirmed yesterday that Kovalchuk will stay in Russia and play in the KHL for the 2017-18 season.

Kovalchuk had expressed interest in returning to the NHL this year but was still property of the Devils, where he didn't want to play.

The Rangers had been linked to Kovalchuk with reports indicating that he wanted to join them.

The Devils were reportedly asking a lot for Kovalchuk in a trade.

Kovalchuk can return to the NHL next July 1 as a free agent and is already being connected to the Rangers.

Adam Rotter: I don't doubt that the Rangers had interest in Kovalchuk this year but the Devils were never going to trade him to the Rangers. If Kovalchuk is healthy and productive in the KHL and Olympics this year then I would assume the Rangers would have interest in him next July 1, but interest only goes to a certain point. The Rangers drew a line with a player they "coveted" in Kevin Shattenkirk and they are certainly going to draw a harder line with a player who would be 35 and hasn't played in the NHL for years. I couldn't see the Rangers going past one-year for Kovalchuk and while they will have Rick Nash's money come off the cap, the new young core of Hayes, Vesey, Skjei and Miller all need new contracts and are all about a decade younger than Kovalchuk.
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Posted 2017-07-05 9:04 AM (#677621 - in reply to #677153)
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Oscar Lindberg has a $1.7 million cap hit with Vegas

9:02AM 7/5/17

Vegas announced yesterday that they had come to terms on a two-year deal with former Ranger Oscar Lindberg.

Lindberg was an RFA and will have a cap hit of $1.7 million.

He just finished a two-year deal with the Rangers that had a cap hit of $650,000 and this past season his salary was $700,000.

Adam Rotter: I doubt Lindberg would have gotten a raise of $1 million from the Rangers had he not been selected in the expansion draft, but he looks to play a bigger role with Vegas than he would with the Rangers. If Lindberg was still a Ranger I think he would have ended up between $1 million and $1.4 million per season on a new deal.

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