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concust
Posted 2017-08-22 7:43 AM (#679356 - in reply to #677153)
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Slightly more credible (not by much), a Vancouver sports talk radio station is reporting Canucks still in mix.

Rick Dhaliwal?
@DhaliwalSports

Hearing UFA forward Alex Kerfoot will decide soon on a team and yes the #Canucks are still in the mix.
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itsmcilrathtime
Posted 2017-08-22 7:54 AM (#679358 - in reply to #677153)
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Right now a lot of teams have crap defenseman who they have convinced themselves, won't suck when the season starts. When they do, Holden's value will go up a lot. Or if they get an injury to a starter. Gorton really doesn't need to panic. Plus, it probably is smarter for him to see what his centers can do before he makes a deal. Holden was one of the better defenseman on the team for a big part of the season. Struggled at the end but he's better than a lot of teams have as their 4 to 6th d guys. I still say a lot of the problems defensively were do to overpaid, lazy forwards no longer busting it. Stepan was leading the way. Kreider is headed that same way as well.

Edited by itsmcilrathtime 2017-08-22 7:58 AM
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Posted 2017-08-22 8:28 AM (#679359 - in reply to #679358)
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itsmcilrathtime - 2017-08-22 8:54 AM

Right now a lot of teams have crap defenseman who they have convinced themselves, won't suck when the season starts.



Like this dude on the left?

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Mjolnir
Posted 2017-08-22 8:35 AM (#679360 - in reply to #679359)
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I want to be sure I've got this straight: Are we speaking about the same Holden that the defensively challenged Colorado Avs dumped unceremoniously for a 4th round pick?

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Posted 2017-08-22 10:14 AM (#679363 - in reply to #679359)
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concust - 2017-08-22 8:28 AM

itsmcilrathtime - 2017-08-22 8:54 AM

Right now a lot of teams have crap defenseman who they have convinced themselves, won't suck when the season starts.



Like this dude on the left?



L O L!!!

I wonder what Henrik is saying to him right there.......
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Posted 2017-08-22 12:32 PM (#679366 - in reply to #679360)
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Mjolnir - 2017-08-22 9:35 AM

I want to be sure I've got this straight: Are we speaking about the same Holden that the defensively challenged Colorado Avs dumped unceremoniously for a 4th round pick?


In dump's defense (can't believe i'm saying that) the Avs have proven to be pretty terrible talent evaluators the past 5+ years. The only reason they have any wins at all are because they were so terrible they drafted can't miss kids like Landeskog and Mackinnon and lucked out with Barrie.

Holden was not "gawd awful" but he was also a victim of horrible usage by AV. He's not good enough to warrant being out there late in a tie game or protecting a one goal lead, with Staal, but there he was. AV called his number, what's he supposed to do, refuse?

The way I see it, we gave up a fourth round pick for the guy. He's about "replacement level" which means he's a 5/6 defenseman that nobody would miss if he disappeared from the league next year. He played well enough on a good team to goose his numbers a bit, and he has a low contract that is expiring. I think it's possible to get a 3rd round pick for him in the right situation. Even if you get a fourth rounder, call it breaking even and move on. I don't think he's returning Bozak or a legit third line center, no way.

I think they're holding on to him so they can get another look at some young guys at Traverse City and camp, and if they're anywhere close to good enough, Rangers will dump Holden.

One problem with dump's "teams will want defensemen after training camp" is that the Knights are flush with defensemen, they need to move some, and everyone knows it. So that'll dilute the market quite a bit.



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Posted 2017-08-22 12:33 PM (#679367 - in reply to #679363)
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Rangerjunkie - 2017-08-22 11:14 AM


L O L!!!

I wonder what Henrik is saying to him right there.......


He's asking Holden if he forgot his stick at home

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itsmcilrathtime
Posted 2017-08-22 12:36 PM (#679369 - in reply to #677153)
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It's typical of Rangers fans to blame the defenseman for everything. How quickly people forgot that Holden the first 50 games last year was a huge reason the Rangers were winning games. Also, Stepan IMO single handily lost the Ottawa series for the Rangers with his atrocious defense late in 2 games. Deservedly, he got traded for turning into the lazy scrub he did after he got paid.
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Posted 2017-08-22 12:39 PM (#679370 - in reply to #677153)
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I wonder if the fans on this board will post the 50 photos of Kreider screwing up offensive chance after offensive chance in the playoffs. Last 17 playoff games, Kreider 5 G 1 A. 1 f'n assist. Yet, it's the defenseman's fault. Classic Rangers fans. Give all the forwards pass after pass in the playoffs.
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Mikey Red
Posted 2017-08-22 12:42 PM (#679371 - in reply to #679369)
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itsmcilrathtime - 2017-08-22 12:36 PM

It's typical of Rangers fans to blame the defenseman for everything. How quickly people forgot that Holden the first 50 games last year was a huge reason the Rangers were winning games. Also, Stepan IMO single handily lost the Ottawa series for the Rangers with his atrocious defense late in 2 games. Deservedly, he got traded for turning into the lazy scrub he did after he got paid.

Sometimes I blame the Goalie too...Him and Stepan were the biggest sharers of blame for the Ottawa disaster
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Posted 2017-08-22 12:43 PM (#679372 - in reply to #679370)
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itsmcilrathtime - 2017-08-22 12:39 PM

I wonder if the fans on this board will post the 50 photos of Kreider screwing up offensive chance after offensive chance in the playoffs. Last 17 playoff games, Kreider 5 G 1 A. 1 f'n assist. Yet, it's the defenseman's fault. Classic Rangers fans. Give all the forwards pass after pass in the playoffs.

I would trade Kreider tommorrow
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Posted 2017-08-22 11:51 PM (#679386 - in reply to #677153)
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Just noticed our defense next year has a good chance of being comprised of all ex-first rounders. McDonagh (2007), Shattenkirk (2007), Skjei (2012), Smith (2007), Staal (2005), DeAngelo (2014).
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Posted 2017-08-23 5:59 AM (#679388 - in reply to #677153)
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Oh yeah. Forgot Lundqvist getting all the blame with the defenseman. If he doesn't stand on his head every game, he sucks according to half our fan base. Only way I can see this team signing McDonagh is trading Kreider and buying out Staal. That would give them enough room. That might very well be the direction they go in if Kreider sucks this year or in the playoffs for the third consecutive year. Honestly, the second they signed Shattenkirk, the Smith signing became a huge mistake. Especially with getting DeAngelo, Skjei's ability to play the right side. There is way too much money tied up in the defense already.
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Mjolnir
Posted 2017-08-23 3:32 PM (#679399 - in reply to #677153)
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In other news, anyone see the news from Tampa Bay:

Yzerman just gave Girardi a 2-year, $3M contract.
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Posted 2017-08-23 3:44 PM (#679400 - in reply to #679399)
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Mjolnir - 2017-08-23 5:32 PM

In other news, anyone see the news from Tampa Bay:

Yzerman just gave Girardi a 2-year, $3M contract.





You're calling this news?? What rock have you been under??
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Mikey Red
Posted 2017-08-23 3:46 PM (#679401 - in reply to #679399)
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Mjolnir - 2017-08-23 3:32 PM

In other news, anyone see the news from Tampa Bay:

Yzerman just gave Girardi a 2-year, $3M contract.

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Posted 2017-08-23 3:53 PM (#679403 - in reply to #679400)
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jobat317 - 2017-08-23 5:44 PM

Mjolnir - 2017-08-23 5:32 PM

In other news, anyone see the news from Tampa Bay:

Yzerman just gave Girardi a 2-year, $3M contract.





You're calling this news?? What rock have you been under??


you got the right,
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Mikey Red
Posted 2017-08-23 4:29 PM (#679404 - in reply to #677153)
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Baseball tonight
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Wahoos clinch the division tonight with a win
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Posted 2017-08-23 8:12 PM (#679408 - in reply to #677153)
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Injin bullpen sucks
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Mikey Red
Posted 2017-08-23 8:40 PM (#679409 - in reply to #677153)
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Dam the BP got lumped up
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Mikey Red
Posted 2017-08-23 9:08 PM (#679410 - in reply to #677153)
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With the Oil signing Drasaitl....They will have to make moves to shed players at some point
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Posted 2017-08-23 10:47 PM (#679411 - in reply to #679410)
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Mikey Red - 2017-08-23 8:08 PM

With the Oil signing Drasaitl....They will have to make moves to shed players at some point




I don't think to many teams will do much now til after training camps and exhibition season. The risk for the Rangers as their training camp goes on is the need for a center going to increase? If it does, then Gorton has some serious work to do, and every team in the league will know he has to get a center, and the price will go up accordingly. They might need to sign a guy like Daniel Winnick for a little bit of fourth line insurance but he probably has to much bark in his game for double mints liking.
They have a huge hole at center and if Andersson isn't ready then they have two holes to fill. Desharnais will only help the Rangers miss the playoffs.
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Posted 2017-08-24 6:29 AM (#679413 - in reply to #677153)
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Shattenkirk has been skating with Kreider this summer

Aug 23 | 6:18PM

Kevin Shattenkirk has been skating this summer with Chris Kreider to prepare for the season. (New Caanan News)

Shattenkirk said that he and Kreider skate during the summers with Chris Gragnano, a skills coach, and that he helps them get ready for the season. (New Caanan News)

Kreider said recently that he has stayed around the area for most of the summer and has been working out and getting on the ice.

Kreider was at the Wayne Gretzky Hockey Camp today which is being held at the MSG Training Center.

Pavel Buchnevich said that he has been spending time on the ice with Kreider as well.

Other players skating with them at times this summer include James Neal, Jonathan Quick, Max Pacioretty and Cam Atkinson. (New Caanan News)

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Posted 2017-08-24 8:45 AM (#679415 - in reply to #677153)
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I really hope Buchnevich breaks out this year similarly to the way Skjei broke out last year.

I have

Nash Zibanejad Zuccarello
Kreider Miller Buchnevich
Grabner Hayes Vesey

as our top 3 lines

Puempel Andersson Deshernais

Until Fast comes back... or something... unless they sign someone else, or a rookie put in some work this off season
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Posted 2017-08-24 8:48 AM (#679416 - in reply to #679415)
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robstones - 2017-08-24 8:45 AM

I really hope Buchnevich breaks out this year similarly to the way Skjei broke out last year.

I have

Nash Zibanejad Zuccarello
Kreider Miller Buchnevich
Grabner Hayes Vesey

as our top 3 lines

Puempel Andersson Deshernais

Until Fast comes back... or something... unless they sign someone else, or a rookie put in some work this off season

We definitely need another legit piece
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Posted 2017-08-24 8:54 AM (#679417 - in reply to #677153)
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Nash absolutely has to go at some point...use him and another to get a major piece....letting the other team move him at the deadline again to get picks or something
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Posted 2017-08-24 9:09 AM (#679419 - in reply to #679415)
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robstones - 2017-08-24 8:45 AM

I really hope Buchnevich breaks out this year similarly to the way Skjei broke out last year.

I have

Nash Zibanejad Zuccarello
Kreider Miller Buchnevich
Grabner Hayes Vesey

as our top 3 lines

Puempel Andersson Deshernais

Until Fast comes back... or something... unless they sign someone else, or a rookie put in some work this off season


as I look at this group and the line combos I just don't see a cup contender, in fact, and I cant remember where I saw it, but at least one outlet has the Rangers in the wildcard spot at best..... Yikes...
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Posted 2017-08-24 9:17 AM (#679420 - in reply to #677153)
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The media other than NY has hated the Rangers for years. Never giving anything they do credit. They said the team would stink last year. I will say that getting Stepan off the team was a huge plus. He was lazy and inconsistent. A bad example for other players on the team. I think it's Key Andersson makes this team. They need his relentless motor to add to the mix. I remember not too long ago when this team always out worked other teams. Now, most of the team this team is outworked.
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Posted 2017-08-24 9:42 AM (#679421 - in reply to #677153)
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The minute Lias messes up he will be on the bench...that is what AV does...unless the kid is French Canadian.... Getting rid of Stepan was a no brainer....But Lias is not the answer yet...Im not even sold on Hayes, Kreider and Vesey
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Posted 2017-08-24 9:52 AM (#679422 - in reply to #677153)
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Hayes is not a top 6 guy....kreider should be our AO but hes not ...Vesey got top 6 minutes all last year...lets see what happens this year... I like him
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Posted 2017-08-24 9:54 AM (#679423 - in reply to #679415)
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robstones - 2017-08-24 8:45 AM

I really hope Buchnevich breaks out this year similarly to the way Skjei broke out last year.

I have

Nash Zibanejad Zuccarello
Kreider Miller Buchnevich
Grabner Hayes Vesey

as our top 3 lines

Puempel Andersson Deshernais

Until Fast comes back... or something... unless they sign someone else, or a rookie put in some work this off season

I would switch Grabs with Buch...Buch hasnt proven he is top 6 yet...Grabs Hayes and Miller was a good line til AV F'd it up

Edited by Mikey Red 2017-08-24 9:55 AM
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Posted 2017-08-24 10:20 AM (#679426 - in reply to #679422)
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Mikey Red - 2017-08-24 10:52 AM

Hayes is not a top 6 guy....kreider should be our AO but hes not ...Vesey got top 6 minutes all last year...lets see what happens this year... I like him


What are you smoking. Vesey averaged 13+ minutes a game last year. He got over 16 minutes per game two times since the trade deadline because his production dropped off so drastically.
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Posted 2017-08-24 10:53 AM (#679427 - in reply to #679419)
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RANGERNUT - 2017-08-24 11:09 AM

robstones - 2017-08-24 8:45 AM

I really hope Buchnevich breaks out this year similarly to the way Skjei broke out last year.

I have

Nash Zibanejad Zuccarello
Kreider Miller Buchnevich
Grabner Hayes Vesey

as our top 3 lines

Puempel Andersson Deshernais

Until Fast comes back... or something... unless they sign someone else, or a rookie put in some work this off season


as I look at this group and the line combos I just don't see a cup contender, in fact, and I cant remember where I saw it, but at least one outlet has the Rangers in the wildcard spot at best..... Yikes...


Yeah but then you add in the defense... which should be amonf the best in the league.

Then add trade deadline maybe getting that missing center or something.

It's all about McDonagh Shattenkirk
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Posted 2017-08-24 12:44 PM (#679428 - in reply to #679415)
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robstones - 2017-08-24 7:45 AM

I really hope Buchnevich breaks out this year similarly to the way Skjei broke out last year.

I have

Nash Zibanejad Zuccarello
Kreider Miller Buchnevich
Grabner Hayes Vesey

as our top 3 lines

Puempel Andersson Deshernais

Until Fast comes back... or something... unless they sign someone else, or a rookie put in some work this off season



I don't think your far off Rob, but you have Vigneaults whipping boy at center and he's already said he'd rather have him on the wing. Your lines imo make sense, especially Miller at center, from what I've seen of him I get the sense he wants to be a go to guy and he's playing for a coach who is constantly holding him back. He played a couple games at center last season and did not look at all out of place. Personally I have more faith in him going head to head against a guy like Crosby than any other center on the roster. Millers miscues that are always magnified by Vigneault, didn't end in losses that I remember but that's Vigneault for you. Other players mess up and end up right back on the ice. I hope he starts at center.
The fourth line absolutely blows with the exception of Andersson, which to my point in another thread sign Daniel Winnick and add Fast to Andersson and I like that fourth line a lot better.
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Posted 2017-08-24 2:38 PM (#679429 - in reply to #679426)
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concust - 2017-08-24 10:20 AM

Mikey Red - 2017-08-24 10:52 AM

Hayes is not a top 6 guy....kreider should be our AO but hes not ...Vesey got top 6 minutes all last year...lets see what happens this year... I like him


What are you smoking. Vesey averaged 13+ minutes a game last year. He got over 16 minutes per game two times since the trade deadline because his production dropped off so drastically.

Lol yeah I agree...that's why this year will be interesting for him to see what he is all about...I've read places that called him a passenger or an anchor on Nash line
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