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Blue404
Posted 2017-07-05 9:46 AM (#677627 - in reply to #677153)
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Let Kovalchuk retire somewhere else but not as a Ranger.
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Mikey Red
Posted 2017-07-05 10:07 AM (#677628 - in reply to #677627)
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Blue404 - 2017-07-05 9:46 AM

Let Kovalchuk retire somewhere else but not as a Ranger.

I concur.... Blue are you outside with the laptop?
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Posted 2017-07-05 10:15 AM (#677629 - in reply to #677153)
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Mikey Red
Posted 2017-07-05 10:30 AM (#677631 - in reply to #677153)
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robstones
Posted 2017-07-05 6:18 PM (#677647 - in reply to #677153)
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I think I just read that because Zibanejad filed for arbitration, The Rangers have a buyout open in August?

What does that mean? Can we buyout Staal now too?
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LeetchyMrRanger
Posted 2017-07-05 7:01 PM (#677648 - in reply to #677627)
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Blue404 - 2017-07-05 9:46 AM

Let Kovalchuk retire somewhere else but not as a Ranger.


He decided to play in KHL.
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Shattenkirk NYR
Posted 2017-07-05 7:14 PM (#677649 - in reply to #677153)
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They all file for arbitration. Fast did, and then he signed a new deal. That is procedural, so doesn't mean much. As for the next buyout window, yes a 48 hour window opens at some point and we can buy Staal out then if we want to. It would be expensive though, and I still think ideal situation has Staal being bought out next summer when his years remaining match what Girardi was at this summer.


Fast did file for salary arbitration before signing his contract, so the Rangers will have another buyout window of 48 hours available to them at a yet-to-be-determined date.

A buyout of Staal would create more than $3.55M of space for this season but would come at an enormous cost, as well. The Rangers would be charged with approximately $2.133M of dead space each of the next two seasons, $3.133M in 2019-20 and $3.933M in conjunction with a Staal buyout.

Combined with dead space generated by Dan Girardi’s previous buyout, a Staal buyout would obligate the Blueshirts to carry a combined $4.74M of dead space this year, $5.74M of dead space in 2018-19, $6.74M of dead space in 2019-20 and $5.04M in 2020-21.





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Mikey Red
Posted 2017-07-05 7:17 PM (#677650 - in reply to #677153)
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Im sure you can trade Staal to someone....But AV wont go for it...He is going to make him the Captain this season
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Shattenkirk NYR
Posted 2017-07-05 7:20 PM (#677651 - in reply to #677153)
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The only way I would do it is if Gorton has something lined up ready to go and use that cap space on a C. If he doesn't we should bite the bullet for one more season with Staal, trade Holden, have about 5 or so mill left to make a move for a C (after Klein retires and we resign Ziban) and then buy Staal out next summer.


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Mikey Red
Posted 2017-07-05 7:22 PM (#677652 - in reply to #677153)
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Tell Staal to retire and pay him his contract in cash
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RANGERNUT
Posted 2017-07-06 3:54 AM (#677676 - in reply to #677153)
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Mika Zibanejad has filed for salary arbitration

Jul 5 | 7:00PM


The NHLPA has announced that Mika Zibanejad has filed for salary arbitration:

Negotiations with Zibanejad can continue on a new contract right up until the hearing is about to start.

Larry Brooks wrote today that Zibanejad will likely get between $4.5 million and $5.5 million depending on the length of his contract. (NY Post)

Jeff Gorton said that the Rangers are open to any sort of deal with Zibanejad.

The Rangers have not had an arbitration hearing since 2009 when they walked away from Nikolai Zherdev's award.


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concust
Posted 2017-07-06 5:55 AM (#677677 - in reply to #677153)
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The second buyout window starts shortly after the Rangers' last arbitration hearing (which has not been set). It remains open for 48 hours.

I don't expect them to use it on Staal unless some other deal materializes where the Rangers just have to have the cap space by that time. For example, trading for a center, then Zbad's award comes in, we're over the cap, and need to buy someone out. This to me is a pretty remote possibility.

Just as I had been saying that 2017 is when Girardi buyout started to make sense, 2018 is when a Staal buyout begins to make sense. Of the two, Staal can still play, he just shouldn't be out there in late game and close situations. He's fully capable of being a third pair defenseman on this team, and although the contract is not ideal, we're not in a cap crunch either. It's not preventing us from signing our RFA, it's not hindering us from signing a UFA, promoting a player, etc.

Next year, he'll be a year slower, and the buyout will be significantly less expensive. If you can trade him this year then by all means do that instead, I actually think that could happen if AV would utilize him properly and game his stats a bit. He's already on the wrong side of 30 so push for a trade now rather than waiting, because he'll be 31 at the trade deadline/next year's draft. If we can use his $5.7m and split that cost between the dead cap space and an ELC defenseman that would be ideal.





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robstones
Posted 2017-07-06 10:59 AM (#677683 - in reply to #677153)
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Cap room, and roster room. If Graves is ready now, Staal and Holden are in his way.

We could have a top 6 of

McDonagh Shattenkirk
Skjei Smith
Graves DeAngelo

If the cards fall right.... It'll probably take Graves getting time because of injury and us waiting to trade Staal like you said, but Graves will be a player to watch in preseason without question.
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concust
Posted 2017-07-06 12:52 PM (#677684 - in reply to #677153)
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The kids should have some opportunity as injury replacement this year. I seriously doubt all of Bereglazov, Pionk, Graves etc are all ready for a full time role right away.

I also have serious questions about whether DeAngelo can hold a full time job at this level or not. Playing 40 games for the Coyotes is pretty different than playing 80 for the Rangers.

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Shattenkirk NYR
Posted 2017-07-06 1:20 PM (#677685 - in reply to #677153)
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I think you need to move Holden and get another top 9 forward/C in here. I am sure Gorton is working it. We have enough options to fill the 6th dman role. I wouldn't be concerned about that.

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Posted 2017-07-06 3:27 PM (#677687 - in reply to #677684)
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concust - 2017-07-06 2:52 PM

The kids should have some opportunity as injury replacement this year. I seriously doubt all of Bereglazov, Pionk, Graves etc are all ready for a full time role right away.

I also have serious questions about whether DeAngelo can hold a full time job at this level or not. Playing 40 games for the Coyotes is pretty different than playing 80 for the Rangers.



Well you gotta play your first half season somewhere so why not Arizona. I think he's more ready having played 40 in AZ than getting spoon fed with AV in charge. That and that all things point to it, including the price paid to get him (the trade wasn't all about the #7 overall pick - it was as much or more about D'Angelo IMO).
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Shattenkirk NYR
Posted 2017-07-06 4:45 PM (#677690 - in reply to #677153)
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Top 4 on the Rangers D into last season were McDonagh, Girardi, Staal and Holden. Top 4 into next season are scheduled to be McDonagh, Shatt, Skjei and Smith. Pretty big upgrade I think. Now go get that C Gorton.


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Mjolnir
Posted 2017-07-06 6:23 PM (#677693 - in reply to #677685)
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Shattenkirk NYR - 2017-07-06 3:20 PM

I think you need to move Holden and get another top 9 forward/C in here. I am sure Gorton is working it. We have enough options to fill the 6th dman role. I wouldn't be concerned about that.



Gonna take A LOT MORE than Holden.
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Pierre_Pdare
Posted 2017-07-06 6:25 PM (#677694 - in reply to #677153)
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I would like to unite Staal with one of his brothers and I would throw in a 2 and a 3.
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Shattenkirk NYR
Posted 2017-07-06 6:42 PM (#677695 - in reply to #677153)
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Of course it will. Maybe Holden and a mid-pick or mid-prospect to the Leafs for Bozak. Something along those lines. And who says Holden has to be dealt for a C. Deal him for 1.65 more cap space and then look to add a C if need be. I'm pretty confident Gorton is working on something.

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Mjolnir
Posted 2017-07-06 7:09 PM (#677696 - in reply to #677153)
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You have a much greater value on Holden's market value. The only person I ever heard praising Holden was Roy and after watching him last season, I can understand why. Leafs would have to be brain dead to make that move.
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Shattenkirk NYR
Posted 2017-07-06 7:20 PM (#677698 - in reply to #677153)
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Holden and a mid-pick or mid-prospect is valuing him highly? Bozak is a 45-50 point guy, who is a UFA next summer, and has zero chance of being back with Toronto given their crazy tight cap situation right now and all the guys they need to sign. Plus they have good forward depth and lack dmen. So no I don't think it is crazy to say Holden and a 3rd or 4th (and maybe a mid prospect also) for Bozak.




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Mjolnir
Posted 2017-07-06 8:03 PM (#677702 - in reply to #677153)
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Why would they want Holden?
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robstones
Posted 2017-07-06 8:06 PM (#677703 - in reply to #677153)
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Yeah Toronto might bite on a Holden or Staal trade.... Staal..... Who do they have? Matt Hunwick?
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Mikey Red
Posted 2017-07-06 8:07 PM (#677704 - in reply to #677153)
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Mikey Red
Posted 2017-07-06 8:11 PM (#677706 - in reply to #677703)
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robstones - 2017-07-06 8:06 PM

Yeah Toronto might bite on a Holden or Staal trade.... Staal..... Who do they have? Matt Hunwick?

Send Staal back to the Mother Land
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Mjolnir
Posted 2017-07-06 8:23 PM (#677707 - in reply to #677704)
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Mikey Red - 2017-07-06 10:07 PM

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Mikey Red
Posted 2017-07-06 8:38 PM (#677708 - in reply to #677153)
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Ah I see....Mj..The Tribe swung the bats tonight
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Mjolnir
Posted 2017-07-06 9:17 PM (#677709 - in reply to #677708)
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Mikey Red - 2017-07-06 10:38 PM

Ah I see....Mj..The Tribe swung the bats tonight


How does a "contender" struggle against the Padregs????
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Mikey Red
Posted 2017-07-06 9:19 PM (#677710 - in reply to #677153)
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Yeah very good question
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Mjolnir
Posted 2017-07-06 10:11 PM (#677722 - in reply to #677710)
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Mikey Red - 2017-07-06 11:19 PM

Yeah very good question


Pitching is not as strong this year. Too many junkballers.


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Shattenkirk NYR
Posted 2017-07-07 3:57 AM (#677724 - in reply to #677153)
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No shot they'd bite on Staal, they need cap space. Bozak at 4.2 down to Holden at 1.65 fits that bill.

Hunwick left, which is another reason they could use a 5/6 dman like Holden.

Obviously very unlikely to happen, but these are the types of things Gorton is looking at I'm sure.

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Posted 2017-07-07 6:08 AM (#677725 - in reply to #677153)
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How quickly people forget that Holden was tremendous for a good part of the season last year. Never ceases to amaze me how the Rangers have 100 points every year and our own fans think all our players suck. Yet, love the players of other teams of which many never make the playoffs. Toronto had a good season but don't kid yourself. Their defenseman suck. Holden would be a big upgrade. Plus trying to play defense in Av's crazy run and gun system is almost impossible unless you have a ton of talent and are an elite skater. Not to mention many of the overpaid, fat cat forwards we've had on this team the past 2 years haven't played very hard defensively. Two which are no longer on the team.
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Posted 2017-07-07 8:15 AM (#677730 - in reply to #677153)
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Holden was ok in the middle of the season, you're right....

But if we look at who's ahead of him on the depth chart.......

McDonagh
Shattenkirk
Skjei
Smith

For sure. Staal probably. Now we're talking about Holden as a 6th man...

That's without getting a look at Tony DeAngelo who could break out this year as a 21 year old, or Ryan Graves as a 22 year old. Both of which could prove to add more than either Staal or Holden in camp....

We could see

McDonagh Shattenkirk
Skjei DeAngelo
Graves Smith

by next season, at least....

Point is, if a team that needs defense like Toronto sees value in either Holden or Staal, then you pull the trigger. We need depth at forward.

Add Neal Pionk and Alexei Bereglazov, and The Rangers potentially have 10 NHL ready defenseman to work with.... wait no, let's not forget Steven Kampfer who they signed to a 2 year extention... that makes 11 D.

When 4 of them are young <23 year old budding talent, room needs to be made for them.

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Posted 2017-07-07 8:26 AM (#677732 - in reply to #677153)
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Fantasy??

https://bluelinestation.com/2017/07/05/new-york-rangers-target-paul-...


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