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Vua
Posted 2017-09-30 8:20 PM (#681331 - in reply to #681330)
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If you take Nash and Staal off the books that's 13.5 million.

You can front load the contract to have it make sense.... you don't want to handcuff the team 5 years from now....

But that said, you also have to figure the cap going up in that time frame, too. Oh, and swapping Lundqvists 8.5 million for Shestyorkin's entry level contract will be nice, too....

7 years from now takes him to 34 years old.....

I'm in

Interesting math.
How are you taking Staal's off? Someone is gonna take his full salary? Or maybe you think they will buy him out, which means we get hit with even more dead cap space. Either way, you aren't clearing 13.5 million.

You can front load all you want, but it's cap hit that matters....not salary. Know the difference.

If I'm using a 10 million cap hit, I'd want it to go to a better option than Taveras.


Staals no move clause switches to a modified no trade after this year..... he gone....

If the contract is front loaded, the cap hit changes for a team if we trade Tavares at the end of it, right?

So we sign him for the 7.... use him for 5, and his last two years he gets what's a good number? 6 million and 5 million? So his cap hit for a team he gets traded to would be 5.5 for the last 2 years instead of 10.... you make the contract moveable.

Thanks for the condescension , though.... I appreciate it


His cap his doesn't change. It's the total value of the contract divided by years regardless of how it's paid.


Yes, but the team that he gets traded to at the end of the contract would pay less dollars. There might be teams who think he has value at the lower dollar amounts at the end of his contract.They would still have to have the cap room for the average amount of the contract.


Sure. But we've been telling ourselves that since the Brad Richards deal and it never seems to happen. I made that argument with the Brad Richards deal actually. It seems these cheap teams would prefer to grab injured players to eat up the cap space so they can get the money back from insurance.
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Posted 2017-10-01 5:10 AM (#681335 - in reply to #677153)
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We can only pray that Staal plays really well on a lower pairing which I doubt but it's not impossible. Then they can hope some team bites next year if the Rangers retain like 30-35%. I'd take back a 5th or later pick.
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Posted 2017-10-01 6:19 AM (#681336 - in reply to #677153)
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Yeah I worded it wrong.... the cap hit stays the same, but the organization that the player is traded to is only obligated to pay what's left.... So they'd get hit with the 10 million against the cap, but only actually have to pay whatever the player is owed for those years... say the 5.5 million.

Which is potentially attractive for rebuilding/smaller market teams that need to get to the floor. Or worst case scenario is it's easier to buyout the remainder of the contract.... but I'd like to think a 32 year old John Tavares would still have enough game to have trade value.

Staal still has trade value. He isn't going to be here till 2021. Not with the amount of defenseman waiting to come up.... Graves in particular. Neither are sure bets, but if you front load it, the contract is more easily moved.
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Posted 2017-10-01 7:11 AM (#681338 - in reply to #681336)
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Unfortunately, we're stuck with Staal for this season. If you're an NHL GM, how much are you willing to spend on a slow, non-physical, zero offense, 3rd pairing, plays the PK defenseman? Girardi just got $3 million with Tampa Bay. With a $5.7 million cap hit, a buyout looks too expensive. Better to eat $3 million per for the next 3 seasons. Problem is, MODIFIED no trade clause. Not sure on the details or how many teams we are limited to, but it has to make moving him more difficult. Here's the buyout breakdown.


 

SEASONSALARYINITIAL CAP HITACTUAL COSTSAVINGSBUYOUT CAP HIT
2018-19$5,000,000$5,700,000$1,355,556$3,644,444$2,055,556
2019-20$4,000,000$5,700,000$1,355,556$2,644,444$3,055,556
2020-21$3,200,000$5,700,000$1,355,556$1,844,444$3,855,556
2021-22$0$0$1,355,556-$1,355,556$1,355,556
2022-23$0$0$1,355,556-$1,355,556$1,355,556
2023-24$0$0$1,355,556-$1,355,556$1,355,556

 


 

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Posted 2017-10-01 7:26 AM (#681339 - in reply to #677153)
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You can't buy him out at this point, the best you can do is trade him and eat as much salary as you can. Then you only have dead cap space for 3 years as opposed to 6. If the replacement is indeed a young defenseman (Bereglazov, Pionk, Crawley, Day, Graves etc) they are going to be on ELC and cost controlled for 2-3 years so eating $3m a year for 3 years is perfectly doable.


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Posted 2017-10-01 7:27 AM (#681340 - in reply to #677153)
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Yeah Staal is here for the season. Let his no move clause expire. They try to trade him in the off season.

Hopefully he has a good one... DeAngelo's offense could boost his numbers if he has his break out year.
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Posted 2017-10-01 11:39 AM (#681349 - in reply to #681340)
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robstones - 2017-10-01 9:27 AM

Yeah Staal is here for the season. Let his no move clause expire. They try to trade him in the off season.

Hopefully he has a good one... DeAngelo's offense could boost his numbers if he has his break out year.


If Staal really cannot compete when compared to the other D on the Rangers, he needs to sit in the press box. That might cause Staal to approve a trade.
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Posted 2017-10-01 12:56 PM (#681350 - in reply to #677153)
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If he can't, sure. I think he'll be decent enough to make it through the year.

Bottom pair and PK minutes.... He should be able to handle that.
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Posted 2017-10-01 6:55 PM (#681365 - in reply to #677153)
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According to Pro Hockey Rumors, Kovacs on Waivers
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Posted 2017-10-01 7:01 PM (#681366 - in reply to #677153)
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I guess the team don't like him
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Mikey Red
Posted 2017-10-01 7:09 PM (#681367 - in reply to #677153)
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Dave Strader passed away at age 62 RIP Sir
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Posted 2017-10-01 7:53 PM (#681369 - in reply to #677153)
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itsmcilrathtime - 2017-09-19 6:59 PM

Kovacs isn't close to being written off. Gimme a break. Again, unlike most of our incompetent forwards he can flat out shoot. Don't underestimate the fact Gernander was a moron who the game passed by. He had no clue how to coach in with the modern game. Kovacs is also a max effort player with a big time edge. I expect him to have a much better season. You sound like a tool Fish. This is not 2000 with a scouting staff that stinks and an organization that doesn't understand how to develop prospects. This team is among the elite developing prospects. Unlike idiot organizations like the Isles, Devils and Oilers, they don't ruin prospects. If the stupid NHL wouldn't allow incompetent organizations like the Oilers to get back to back 1st overall, they would still suck.


I think it's official now. Only Dump and his alter-ego Larry Brooks know anything about hockey. When is your big article coming about how you expect Graves, Fontaine and Kovacs to carry us to the Cup this year?


An endorsement from dump? Wow that sucks. Sorry Kovacs, you just got the kiss of death.





And Dump ruins another young Ranger prospect with his predictions. When will it end?

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Mikey Red
Posted 2017-10-01 8:11 PM (#681370 - in reply to #677153)
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Posted 2017-10-02 5:21 AM (#681371 - in reply to #681370)
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I don't know if this has anything to do with Kovacs release or not.
http://hfboards.mandatory.com/threads/kovacs-under-investigation-fo...
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Posted 2017-10-02 6:10 AM (#681372 - in reply to #677153)
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On a side note, Detroit passed on two former Rangers: P. A. Parenteau (released from PTO) and Dylan McIlrath (waivers).
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Posted 2017-10-02 6:49 AM (#681373 - in reply to #681371)
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Mcphee - 2017-10-02 7:21 AM

I don't know if this has anything to do with Kovacs release or not.
http://hfboards.mandatory.com/threads/kovacs-under-investigation-fo...


That'll do it.... potential vehicular manslaughter charges will get ya every time
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Posted 2017-10-02 7:23 AM (#681374 - in reply to #677153)
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I had not heard that about Kovacs. I had seen multiple reports of having "personal problems" over the summer but never substantiated. Personal problems can be pretty much anything... but that sounds pretty bad. I wish him the best in piecing his life back together.



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Posted 2017-10-02 7:31 AM (#681375 - in reply to #677153)
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From the Rangers perspective, the 2015 draft has been a nightmare. Gropp still has an outside shot, but Huska may end up being the gem of that draft.

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Posted 2017-10-02 11:02 AM (#681384 - in reply to #677153)
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Rangers have signed Brandon Crawley to an ELC.

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Mikey Red
Posted 2017-10-02 6:59 PM (#681399 - in reply to #677153)
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Interesting....considering that they can still send him to Juniors
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Posted 2017-10-03 9:49 AM (#681403 - in reply to #681372)
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NTHockey - 2017-10-02 8:10 AM

On a side note, Detroit passed on two former Rangers: P. A. Parenteau (released from PTO) and Dylan McIlrath (waivers).


McIlrath assigned to AHL Grand Rapids
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Mikey Red
Posted 2017-10-03 11:07 AM (#681404 - in reply to #681403)
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On a side note, Detroit passed on two former Rangers: P. A. Parenteau (released from PTO) and Dylan McIlrath (waivers).


McIlrath assigned to AHL Grand Rapids

We could of and should have had Cam Fowler.....terrible pick ...even Pierre that night called him a project...he sure was right
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Posted 2017-10-03 12:08 PM (#681405 - in reply to #681404)
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Mikey Red - 2017-10-03 1:07 PM

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NTHockey - 2017-10-02 8:10 AM

On a side note, Detroit passed on two former Rangers: P. A. Parenteau (released from PTO) and Dylan McIlrath (waivers).


McIlrath assigned to AHL Grand Rapids

We could of and should have had Cam Fowler.....terrible pick ...even Pierre that night called him a project...he sure was right


I think McIlrath trashing his knee and missing 1 year seems to have effed up his possibility of making a steady contribution in NHL. I thought he was ok when he played with the Rangers, but way smarter hockey minds than me with way better video and metrics and money on the line have not grabbed him when he went through waivers.

Also, Pee Year is a douche.
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Mikey Red
Posted 2017-10-03 12:14 PM (#681406 - in reply to #681405)
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Lol yeah I hear ya....I hated Boucher more last season
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Posted 2017-10-03 3:28 PM (#681407 - in reply to #677153)
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Tanner Glass earns a 1 year contract with the Cal-gary organ eye zation
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Posted 2017-10-03 3:49 PM (#681408 - in reply to #677153)
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Why on earth would you write of Kovacs. He's 20. Do we give up on 20 year old players now? That is not a good sign. Unless he had personal issues which hurt his value.;
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Posted 2017-10-03 3:52 PM (#681409 - in reply to #677153)
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Read on HF that Kovacs Kovacs has ADHD and dyslexia and was responsible for a death of a friend in a car accident. Guess mentally, he lost it. You would think the organization might rally around the kid at 20 and try to help him through this.
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Posted 2017-10-03 4:48 PM (#681410 - in reply to #681407)
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Mikey Red - 2017-10-03 5:28 PM

Tanner Glass earns a 1 year contract with the Cal-gary organ eye zation


AV would bench Johnny Geaudreau to grt Tanner Glass into the lineup. Let's see what happens in Calgary lol
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Posted 2017-10-03 5:15 PM (#681411 - in reply to #681410)
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Tanner Glass earns a 1 year contract with the Cal-gary organ eye zation


AV would bench Johnny Geaudreau to grt Tanner Glass into the lineup. Let's see what happens in Calgary lol

haha totally
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Posted 2017-10-03 5:16 PM (#681412 - in reply to #681409)
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itsmcilrathtime - 2017-10-03 3:52 PM

Read on HF that Kovacs Kovacs has ADHD and dyslexia and was responsible for a death of a friend in a car accident. Guess mentally, he lost it. You would think the organization might rally around the kid at 20 and try to help him through this.

Dam! I didnt know he pulled a Dany Heatley...But yeah he is 20 and I hope someone can help get his head right...Maybe NYR had a quick hook there
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Posted 2017-10-04 9:31 AM (#681413 - in reply to #677153)
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Yep. I didn't know that either. Guess with 2 high forward picks the organization felt he wasn't worth the trouble. Still don't like it. I would have liked to see him get a chance with a new coach. Nobody on that team did anything.
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Posted 2017-10-04 9:53 AM (#681414 - in reply to #681271)
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Tavares has shown no interest in resigning long term with the Islanders, not because of the money but because their future is completely up in the air. They may very well be homeless soon, and Tavares is smart enough not to shackle himself to that. I don't expect them to get it all together anytime soon either so if I'm a betting man, they'll end up trading him rather than losing him for nothing. It's going to be an absolute circus if that happens.

The Belmont RFP deadline I believe is tomorrow, so we may have a better idea of what's going to happen at that point. If the Islanders can secure their future and Tavares is comfortable with the team direction he can basically demand whatever he wants, and he'll get it. The Islanders know this fully. I think Mike bossy said on a radio show that if they lose Tavares it would set the franchise back 10 years.



The Rangers have to prepare for a Tavares free agency.


Is Tavares worth it? I'm not sure. I'm actually a big fan of the player too. He's a legit top line center, something we have been lacking for a while. He's good for 30 goals. His points the last 3 years have been 86, 70, 66. That's a consistent 25 points more than we've had coming from that role in the past. Solid defensively.The Rangers may not have a better solution and will try to remain competitive especially if Nash goes.

Still he's going to be commanding $10m or more, per year for 7 years. True, we can pay for the bulk of that with Nash's almost $8m cap hit, but is $70m really what you want to commit to Tavares? There is reason to believe he's already peaked. Not to say he will not remain productive, but it's unlikely he will hit 86 points (or more) again. This is not a 20 year old McDavid that scored 100. Tavares is probably a 70 point guy for 4 years, and after that... he'll have seasons of 60, 50 points as his career tails off. Is that worth $70m? I'm leaning no.

Also guess who's RFA after this year... Miller, Hayes, Skjei, Vesey. Hayes may have to go just to clear a spot. Even then there's a good possibility another of these guys may have to go to make room for a $10m contract.

It will be an interesting 2018 for sure. We may barely recognize this team in one year.











The Rangers window is now and the next three, four years. I doubt Zibanejad as one and Hayes as two will win a cup in fact they will struggle to make the playoffs. Chytil as impressive as he's been has some dues to pay, and by the end of the season if he can play the Rangers can move Zibanejad or Hayes to open up a spot to sign Tavares this summer. Either one traded will bring something back to the mix. Chytil very well might be showing his upside in a different league 9 games in but the Rangers should have a pretty good handle on his next year contribution. I like the thought of Tavares, Zibanejad, Chytil, and Andersson starting next season. The cost of having a legit number one center going head to head with the others in the league is pretty much $10,000,000 no matter how you slice it. The bar has been set. . As constructed now I don't see Zibanejad holding up going head to head and if the Rangers are counting on Hayes to go head to head with other teams best that is a huge gamble. His line can't do it on its own. He showed flashes last season, but it will not work with Grabner blowing the zone looking for stretch passes. Zibanejad at number two and Chytil at three, assuming he has big league game next season, plus Tavares at one could be lethal. I'm sure Tavares would run to the Rangers and a chance to play with Miller, Vesey, Buchnevich, Zuccarello and Kreider the likes of which the Islander scrubs don't measure up to. Tavares goes head to head against other teams best, its why you sign him.
Skjei and Vesey won't be backing any Brink's trucks up and will be signed to bridge deals. and Hayes would likely be the traded guy.
Tavares just turned 27 and has been playing for a crap team his entire career with a paltry 24 playoff games only. He could easily put up 6 productive seasons, leaving a contract that wouldn't be to hard to wiggle out of. He's got a lot of gas left in his tank.


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Posted 2017-10-04 10:57 AM (#681415 - in reply to #681409)
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itsmcilrathtime - 2017-10-03 5:52 PM

Read on HF that Kovacs Kovacs has ADHD and dyslexia and was responsible for a death of a friend in a car accident. Guess mentally, he lost it. You would think the organization might rally around the kid at 20 and try to help him through this.

here's the story.He could be getting jail time.
http://hfboards.mandatory.com/threads/kovacs-under-investigation-fo...
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Posted 2017-10-04 11:03 AM (#681416 - in reply to #681415)
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Mcphee - 2017-10-04 9:57 AM

itsmcilrathtime - 2017-10-03 5:52 PM

Read on HF that Kovacs Kovacs has ADHD and dyslexia and was responsible for a death of a friend in a car accident. Guess mentally, he lost it. You would think the organization might rally around the kid at 20 and try to help him through this.

here's the story.He could be getting jail time.
http://hfboards.mandatory.com/threads/kovacs-under-investigation-fo...





He must hang with Hudler.
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Posted 2017-10-04 11:04 AM (#681417 - in reply to #677153)
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Horrible situation
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