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Mjolnir
Posted 2017-07-01 6:45 PM (#677423 - in reply to #677418)
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Shattenkirk NYR - 2017-07-01 8:08 PM

I agree, Arniel is a huge PP issue...the biggest I think. Bigger than the player issues.

And we'll disagree on the comparison you are making simply because I think Shatt is a different level player than the other two, especially 38 year old Boyle. Because Boyle came here as a clearly lesser player than Shatt, and didn't improve the PP doesn't mean he should be compared to Shatt who will try to improve the PP. Plus Shatt is here for way more reasons than simply to improve the PP.





The power play was a mess before Arniel got here. Perry Pearn was fired because of it.
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Posted 2017-07-01 6:48 PM (#677424 - in reply to #677296)
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Yeah, we have had PP issues for years. We think too much and don't do anything quickly (passes/shots/one-timers), those are the killers.

Just checked, and what is funny is the PP finished 10th last season. It fell apart late and was a disaster in the playoffs so that is a big negative, but I think we all would have taken 10th coming into the season.




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Posted 2017-07-01 7:22 PM (#677425 - in reply to #677296)
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Shattenkirk brings something Boyle and Yandle don't.... that nobody has in a while....

He's a right handed shot who knows how to one time it in from the point/ pretty much the same area Ovechkin likes to set up in....

Boyle and Yandle got points through assists... a few goals here and there, but they aren't real scoring threats. Talking 5 goals a year out of those two

Shattenkirk will still give you the 30+ assists (last year he had 43 assists....) but can and will also put up goal totals in the teens.


To put it another way, last year Stepan had a stat line of
81gp 17g 38a 55pts
Shattenkirk had
80gp 13g 43a 56pts

Are Erik Karlsson numbers too far off from what Shattenkirk can do?
77gp 17g 54a 71pts

Yeah... that's probably too far fetched to expect those numbers.... but I think he can get 60-65 pts.... and that would be a pretty big impact.
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LeetchyMrRanger
Posted 2017-07-01 7:33 PM (#677426 - in reply to #677296)
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Ok, most here already posted what I was going to post. I have no problem with this, a very fair deal all around for D-man his age who could have gotten much more out there if he wanted it so. The D looks better. I would like another hard nose banger back there who can kick butt & clear the crease. And, a center is still in need.
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Posted 2017-07-01 7:48 PM (#677427 - in reply to #677296)
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WINNER – NEW YORK RANGERS
For years, the Rangers were the poster boys for much of the insanity that prevailed on July 1, handing out enormous contracts to players who already seemed intent on playing there. That could have happened again this year, but it did not. As a result, the Rangers got the crown jewel of this year’s free agent class without overpaying, either in money or term. Kevin Shattenkirk for four years at $6.65 million is an outstanding get for the Rangers and doesn’t compromise their ability to build their team going forward.
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Mikey Red
Posted 2017-07-01 8:01 PM (#677428 - in reply to #677296)
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God help him if he turns into Redden or Boyle!
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Posted 2017-07-01 8:05 PM (#677429 - in reply to #677296)
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I was just thinking it. Redden was a good player, the day he stepped on MSG ice, he hit the wall, & lost it. I don't think it will happen to this player. He seems to understand all the sh-t that comes along playing here, playing in NY, playing for the Rangers. ZHe knows, he better know this isn't St Louis. We are not in Kansas anymore ... from that famous movie line.

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Mikey Red
Posted 2017-07-01 8:10 PM (#677430 - in reply to #677296)
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Yeah I think so too. I'll gladly admit I was all for signing Redden....What a disaster that was...Up there but not AS bad is trading Duclair and a #1 for Yandle....and they dont even keep Yandle...Boyle was F'n terrible from day 1 and that A hole AV never benched him
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Posted 2017-07-01 8:12 PM (#677431 - in reply to #677296)
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From another online article on this signing:
"Kevin Shattenkirk grew up a New York Rangers fan in suburban New Rochelle, so he knows all about the pressure of playing for his hometown team."
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Posted 2017-07-01 8:12 PM (#677432 - in reply to #677296)
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Redden.... He was on the decline when we signed him. I personally thought he could still be good, but everyone knew his best years were behind him.

Shattenkirk is coming off a career year.... There's every reason to think the 28 year old can match or better that production sometime between now, and the end of his contract. Or at least that it's possible
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Posted 2017-07-01 8:14 PM (#677433 - in reply to #677296)
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New York Rangers

At a time where leverage is exclusively with the talent that reaches auction, the New York Rangers commanded negotiations with this summer’s marquee free agent, convincing him to discard three seasons of salary negotiated inside his maximum earning window.

The lure of home, of Madison Square Garden, ended up being too strong for Kevin Shattenkirk, who accepted a four-year, $26.6-million contract to live out a childhood dream, therefore eschewing seasons of fixed-rate earning while his skills diminish.

It’s not out of the realm of possibility to suggest that Shattenkirk – a defenseman who trails only Brent Burns, Kris Letang and Erik Karlsson in rate production over the last three seasons – could have signed a contract in excess of $50 million today.
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Mikey Red
Posted 2017-07-01 8:16 PM (#677434 - in reply to #677296)
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Shattenkirk came back for the NY Pizza
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LeetchyMrRanger
Posted 2017-07-01 8:16 PM (#677435 - in reply to #677296)
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He was on the decline, but the decline which was a concrete wall happened Game 2 into his Rangers career. And, who was it, sports reporter, that called him a wimp? :-)

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Posted 2017-07-01 8:21 PM (#677436 - in reply to #677296)
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In a perfect world it works out. My opinion is we've seen this show before. Vigneault dealing with this type of player has been a issue. I also don't think Shattenkirk is a good partner for Skjei or McD, basically because you want some offence out of them, and continued improvement in their offence as they go along. Two offensive guys together rarely works out. They paid a heavy price to get DeAngelo and how does this impact him. He has to play, he needs developmental PP time. Teams rate players potential talent ceiling, and when they do, I suspect DeAngelo's might be the highest on the D. Huge, huge upside,He needs ice time. He could easily surpass Skjei's play of last year. But if Shattenkirk comes in and plays his ass off it will be huge. But if he stumbles, ouch.
My biggest worry is the coach handling this situation. I'm happy Ruff is there but he's not the boss.
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Posted 2017-07-01 8:21 PM (#677437 - in reply to #677296)
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Posted 2017-07-01 8:23 PM (#677438 - in reply to #677296)
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Dan Boyle never missed 1 min of ice time under AV...No matter how bad he was out there
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Posted 2017-07-01 8:45 PM (#677439 - in reply to #677296)
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did we not swap stepan for shatty and also get a young center plus another young RHD prospect? I think that was some very good GM maneuvering !!! I do believe we now have a very good D-corp with solid up and coming depth... Think Stall is here for another year but may be Ok. Think the bear-claw is the #6 guy and helps Stall be a stable stay at home Dman
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Posted 2017-07-01 8:52 PM (#677440 - in reply to #677438)
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Mikey Red - 2017-07-01 7:23 PM

Dan Boyle never missed 1 min of ice time under AV...No matter how bad he was out there




Which is all part of the mishandling. Including trying to turn a guy who made his living lugging the puck into a passer at 38. Do I trust him with Shattenkirk? No.
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Mikey Red
Posted 2017-07-01 8:58 PM (#677441 - in reply to #677296)
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Posted 2017-07-01 11:10 PM (#677442 - in reply to #677440)
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Rranger - 2017-07-01 10:52 PM

Mikey Red - 2017-07-01 7:23 PM

Dan Boyle never missed 1 min of ice time under AV...No matter how bad he was out there




Which is all part of the mishandling. Including trying to turn a guy who made his living lugging the puck into a passer at 38. Do I trust him with Shattenkirk? No.


Which is why I think Lindy will be coach come December.
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Posted 2017-07-01 11:18 PM (#677443 - in reply to #677442)
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Mikey Red - 2017-07-01 7:23 PM

Dan Boyle never missed 1 min of ice time under AV...No matter how bad he was out there




Which is all part of the mishandling. Including trying to turn a guy who made his living lugging the puck into a passer at 38. Do I trust him with Shattenkirk? No.


Which is why I think Lindy will be coach come December.






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Posted 2017-07-02 12:19 AM (#677444 - in reply to #677296)
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Posted 2017-07-02 4:42 AM (#677447 - in reply to #677296)
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Redden for 6 years. Shatt for 4 years. That matters, two extra years is a big difference. And as rob said, Redden was starting a decline already while Shatt is coming off potentially his best season. And here is something else you guys are not factoring in about Redden...HE CAME HERE SOLELY FOR MONEY...that's it. He did not care if he was a Ranger. He was not coming home. He didn't leave money on the table to be here. That is ALL true of Shatt. That was not even close to true for Redden. And that matters as well.

Could Shatt be Redden 2.0, sure anything can happen and any player can be Redden 2.0, but there are many MANY differences between the two on the way in the door.

As for Boyle, I say please let's not compare a 38 year old dman clearly on his last legs to a 28 year old dman in his prime...please. It's like we are looking for reasons to be critical. Outside of maybe someone saying Boyle is here to fix the PP, and part of the many reasons Shatt is here is also to fix the PP, not sure I see one thing in common.

This is a good solid move at a more than reasonable rate, for a player who wanted so badly to be here and left money on the table to do it (remember he also turned down a 7 year 42 mill deal from TB at the trade DL).

So if someone is not a fan in the door I 100% respect that. I also will freely say he could stink here, any player can stink anywhere so of course it is possible. But on the way in on paper and in theory this is a complete no brainer move I think. Not very comparable to 38 year old done Boyle, and 6 year contract went for the money Redden coming in. Now we'll see how he performs in a couple of months.




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Posted 2017-07-02 6:12 AM (#677448 - in reply to #677296)
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Hearing him talk about wanting to be here since he was a little kid, and taking the organization friendly deal to do it rather than playing hardball speaks volumes.

That connects with me. I know a lot of guys who have lost their support for any specific team... They thought they had a shot at being drafted, so they didn't want to show favorites anymore... instead just followed the sport and routed for the team they felt was hot.

I'd like to think I'd be like Shattenkirk, though.... I'd play in any city, but saying it would be a dream come true would be an understatement....

And hearing Shattenkirk say it like that... I think he's going to push to be the best he can be.... This isn't about the money. This is about being a New York Ranger, and winning as one.

This isn't about playing good enough through the length of the contract to hit free agency and land the best deal he can.. To him this is about proving to The New York Rangers organization that he's good enough to retire here.

There's no doubt in my mind that he wants his number raised to the rafters of MSG. He wants to be Rangers alumni with Messier and Graves... Brian Leetch (#22....please....)

And this 4 year contract will keep him hungry to make the dream a reality.

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Posted 2017-07-02 6:20 AM (#677449 - in reply to #677296)
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I don't know what anyone expected from a 38 year old Boyle. I can say that he wasn't allowed to play his game though. He was a defenseman that carried the puck his whole career and then came here and was forced to make quick passes instead of carrying the puck. He was brought in for his ability with the puck and then wasn't allowed to use it. Stupid. His defense was always questionable. And how was Yandle going to fix the PP when he wasn't on the first PP unit? He only got moved to the first PP when McDonagh got hurt in February, and oh look we had the best PP percentage in the league from that moment on. I don't understand the aversion to defensive players that can score here. The McIlarth/Yandle pairing was our best defensive pairing that season. Are you saying that was McIlrath's doing? How is his career path since then? I wouldn't have given Yandle the money he got either, but he didn't come here and suck.

This contract is a steal. The Rangers almost couldn't turn it down. That doesn't mean it will work out though, he might be terrible in 2 years. But when a high end guy like him comes to you with this deal you have to sign him.

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Posted 2017-07-02 6:33 AM (#677450 - in reply to #677296)
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That's a fair point Vua, and I think Shatt is better than Yandle, and a R shot. So that says a lot to me.

I mentioned earlier that AV and I guess Ruff need to play the D correctly. That means Staal is a 3rd pair dman...period. He cannot have him on late in games over Skjei/Smith and of course McD/Shatt. Staal should rest games also in favor of a Graves or DeAngelo or Kampfer whomever is here in the 7/8 spots.

Shatt also needs to be the 1st unit PP dman, and that I expect happens for sure. My guess is McD moves to the 2nd unit with Skjei.

Part of the Yandle issue here was Girardi and especially Staal. AV was just crazed with those two and clearly rated them over Yandle. More about Staal because he was a LD like Yandle, but the point was Yandle was buried by AV. With that said, the contract Yandle went to Florida for I wouldn't sign him for in 100 years. He took the money, and good for him, and is way overpaid in terms of AAV and years. No shot I'd do that deal.

It is the big concern of mine that AV uses these guys correctly. One toy was taken away, Girardi. Hopefully AV is smart enough to realize his other toy, Staal, is now a lesser play and should play sheltered 3rd pair minutes. Please know that AV. It is my biggest concern.

And great point on the contract and how we had to sign Shatt for that deal as well Vua.










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Posted 2017-07-02 6:41 AM (#677451 - in reply to #677296)
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PP1: Shattenkirk McDonagh
PP2: Skjei DeAngelo

on the points

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Posted 2017-07-02 7:08 AM (#677455 - in reply to #677296)
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I have no bloody idea why people are so down on this contract. OK, I do: There’s a bias against Shattenkirk for having the nerve not to be better than Alex Pietrangelo, and hence skating second-pairing minutes with the Blues; and he was noticeably bad in the playoffs for the Washington Capitals who, at last check, are a noticeably bad playoff team. Oh, and he’s an offensive defenseman not named Erik Karlsson and Brent Burns, so he’s automatically loathed.

What Shattenkirk is: an elite puck-moving defenseman who is anything but a defensive liability. He doesn’t put up incredible 5-on-5 numbers, which is rightfully a criticism; but that’s conflated with not being good at 5-on-5, and he is: plus-368 in shot attempts over his last 208 games at 5-on-5.

But enough about the player. Let’s talk about the contract.

The Rangers essentially deleted Dan Girardi and added Kevin Shattenkirk to their blue line, and they did so by essentially trading Derek Stepan at $6.5 million against the cap through 2021 for Kevin Shattenkirk at $6.65 million through 2021.

And again: Four years! For the prize of free agency, because he wanted to play for his childhood team. Or because no one gave him seven. But regardless, four years!

Look, maybe in three years we’re calling him a bust. Who knows? You can only judge a deal based on its merits, based on the marketplace and on context. And this is a winner today.


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Posted 2017-07-02 7:16 AM (#677456 - in reply to #677442)
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Mikey Red - 2017-07-01 7:23 PM

Dan Boyle never missed 1 min of ice time under AV...No matter how bad he was out there




Which is all part of the mishandling. Including trying to turn a guy who made his living lugging the puck into a passer at 38. Do I trust him with Shattenkirk? No.


Which is why I think Lindy will be coach come December.


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Posted 2017-07-02 7:22 AM (#677457 - in reply to #677449)
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Vua - 2017-07-02 7:20 AM

I don't know what anyone expected from a 38 year old Boyle. I can say that he wasn't allowed to play his game though. He was a defenseman that carried the puck his whole career and then came here and was forced to make quick passes instead of carrying the puck. He was brought in for his ability with the puck and then wasn't allowed to use it. Stupid. His defense was always questionable. And how was Yandle going to fix the PP when he wasn't on the first PP unit? He only got moved to the first PP when McDonagh got hurt in February, and oh look we had the best PP percentage in the league from that moment on. I don't understand the aversion to defensive players that can score here. The McIlarth/Yandle pairing was our best defensive pairing that season. Are you saying that was McIlrath's doing? How is his career path since then? I wouldn't have given Yandle the money he got either, but he didn't come here and suck.

This contract is a steal. The Rangers almost couldn't turn it down. That doesn't mean it will work out though, he might be terrible in 2 years. But when a high end guy like him comes to you with this deal you have to sign him.


Not a big Boyle fan but I agree with this. The greater problem was always usage. If Boyle had been on the third pair with some PP time (so you can rest your regular 5v5 defensemen a bit) then he would have been much less of an issue. I also don't understand why people think Yandle was a failure here. I would not have done the deal and included those futures but again Yandle's only problem on Broadway was how he was deployed. His numbers in NY were consistent with what the expectations should have been.

As far as Shattenkirk I don't see the comparison to Yandle (gave up a ton of assets to acquire), Boyle (overused 38 year old), or Redden (huge contract, already in decline). He cost nothing but the contract, he's about as young as a UFA can be at 28, he's not already in decline, and it's only a 4 year deal. It really does not get any more ideal than this. Sorry he's not a top-5 elite defenseman in the league but I just don't see how you can view this signing as anything but a coup.

He's not going to solve all the problems overnight but you can't say the defense, and the PP, is not better without him here. And the contract amount and term are perfectly in line for what he can bring - it's a bargain by almost any measure. I mean come on, Karl Alzner's deal is only $3m less overall.

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Posted 2017-07-02 7:25 AM (#677458 - in reply to #677296)
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Don't agree rob. Long time to go, and it will change 100 times between now and then anyway, but I could see Shatt and 4 forwards on the 1st unit. McD and Skjei on the 2nd unit. That's today. If a spot opens for DeAngelo then yes I see him with McD on the 2nd unit. Right now he may be the odd man out (although I think Holden gets dealt soon).



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Posted 2017-07-02 7:33 AM (#677459 - in reply to #677455)
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Wyshinski:


I have no bloody idea why people are so down on this contract. OK, I do: There’s a bias against Shattenkirk for having the nerve not to be better than Alex Pietrangelo, and hence skating second-pairing minutes with the Blues; and he was noticeably bad in the playoffs for the Washington Capitals who, at last check, are a noticeably bad playoff team. Oh, and he’s an offensive defenseman not named Erik Karlsson and Brent Burns, so he’s automatically loathed.

What Shattenkirk is: an elite puck-moving defenseman who is anything but a defensive liability. He doesn’t put up incredible 5-on-5 numbers, which is rightfully a criticism; but that’s conflated with not being good at 5-on-5, and he is: plus-368 in shot attempts over his last 208 games at 5-on-5.

But enough about the player. Let’s talk about the contract.

The Rangers essentially deleted Dan Girardi and added Kevin Shattenkirk to their blue line, and they did so by essentially trading Derek Stepan at $6.5 million against the cap through 2021 for Kevin Shattenkirk at $6.65 million through 2021.

And again: Four years! For the prize of free agency, because he wanted to play for his childhood team. Or because no one gave him seven. But regardless, four years!

Look, maybe in three years we’re calling him a bust. Who knows? You can only judge a deal based on its merits, based on the marketplace and on context. And this is a winner today.



I agree with this 100%, and it's kind of what I have been saying. We improved SO MUCH on D it isn't even worth discussing. And Shatt left a ton of money on the table. We know for a fact he turned down 7 for 42 from TB at the trade DL. And we know for almost a fact that the Devs went after him very big yesterday (sure they had 7 on the table). So he wanted to be here so badly, which matters.

I really see no downside. That doesn't mean he can't stink here, he could just as any player could, but right now today I'm just not sure what anyone can really be upset about with this signing.

And BTW...only 3 mill less for Alzner AND Alzner got 5 years instead of 4. The Shatt deal is 100 times better than the Alzner deal.




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Posted 2017-07-02 7:41 AM (#677460 - in reply to #677296)
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I cant stress enough how much I dislike a forward at the point on the PP
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Posted 2017-07-02 8:06 AM (#677461 - in reply to #677296)
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Players Union can't be very happy about this.

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Posted 2017-07-02 8:09 AM (#677462 - in reply to #677296)
Subject: Re: OFFICIAL: Rangers sign Kevin Shattenkirk 4 years $6.65m


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Put it this way: They traded Derek Stepan at $6.5 million against the cap through 2021 for Kevin Shattenkirk at $6.65 million through 2021. Who doesn’t make that trade, straight up?


Which means we dealt one-year of Raanta FOR the # 7 pick and DeAngelo. YES PLEASE.

What an awesome job by Gorton.





Edited by Shattenkirk NYR 2017-07-02 8:10 AM
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