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Posted 2017-07-14 1:08 PM (#677995)
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Posted 2017-07-14 5:55 PM (#677997 - in reply to #677995)
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Burning the first year in Hartford to get him playing in North America. I guess they're confident he's ready too. Fighting for a spot next year?
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Posted 2017-07-14 6:20 PM (#677999 - in reply to #677997)
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robstones - 2017-07-14 5:55 PM

Burning the first year in Hartford to get him playing in North America. I guess they're confident he's ready too. Fighting for a spot next year?


Doesn't his contract slide if he plays less than 10 nhl games due to his age?
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Mikey Red
Posted 2017-07-14 6:38 PM (#678002 - in reply to #677995)
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2005 9 Picks Staal Sauer only ones to play for us (Gordies first draft)
2006 7 picks Anisimov
2007 6 Picks Hagelin
2008 7 Picks Del Zotto Stepan
2009 7 Picks Kreider
2010 6 Picks Mclrath Fast
2011 6 Picks JT
2012 4 Picks Skjei
2013 5 Picks Duclair Buch Skapski
2014 7 Picks 0
2015 7 Picks 0
2016 6 Picks 0
2017 7 Picks N/A

Not too impressive
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Posted 2017-07-14 6:52 PM (#678003 - in reply to #677995)
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So that makes 6 players on the current roster that were drafted under Clark. I don't know how that compares to other teams, honestly, but that doesn't seem bad.

Add: Vesey, Hayes, McDonagh, Lundqvist, Zuccarello who have never played for another team, and that's 11

Andersson might make the team, they say he's a sure shot nhl talent... 12. Maybe Chytil, but I won't count him yet.

Ryan Graves is knocking on the door, 13.

If you look at those names, that is what can and should be considered the "core" of the team.

They have been good with what they have been given.


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Mikey Red
Posted 2017-07-14 6:59 PM (#678004 - in reply to #677995)
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You cant count trades.....Strictly speaking of the draft ......And just making the team isnt impressive enough...you have to produce........it is what it is ........A whole lot of mediocre
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Mikey Red
Posted 2017-07-14 7:02 PM (#678005 - in reply to #677995)
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And wheres your guy Tambellini? How do have Graves penciled in already?
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Mikey Red
Posted 2017-07-14 7:14 PM (#678011 - in reply to #677995)
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The top shelf teams build through the draft........Your best core foundation players should come from the draft .....Under Sather that was worse than non existent....Under Gordie it is starting to get a little better...At least some guys are making it to the NHL
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Posted 2017-07-14 7:19 PM (#678013 - in reply to #677995)
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Adidas has shown up bla...selling socks
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Posted 2017-07-15 6:40 AM (#678023 - in reply to #678005)
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Mikey Red - 2017-07-14 8:38 PM

2005 9 Picks Staal Sauer only ones to play for us (Gordies first draft)
2006 7 picks Anisimov
2007 6 Picks Hagelin
2008 7 Picks Del Zotto Stepan
2009 7 Picks Kreider
2010 6 Picks Mclrath Fast
2011 6 Picks JT
2012 4 Picks Skjei
2013 5 Picks Duclair Buch Skapski
2014 7 Picks 0
2015 7 Picks 0
2016 6 Picks 0
2017 7 Picks N/A

Not too impressive
Considering he had no first rounders, you can't hold years 2013-2016 against Clark. Considering that very few players picked in rounds 3-7 ever make it to the NHL, his late round picks even things out. Not many second rounders (less than half) make it either. You missed Tom Pyatt & Weise. His biggest blunders are McIlrath & Sanguinetti. Did I mention not all first rounders are a slam dunk? Don't forget, Clark is instrumental in advising on prospects to trade for. McDonagh & Lindberg are two that come to mind. Overall, I give Clark a B+

Mikey Red - 2017-07-14 9:02 PM

And wheres your guy Tambellini?
3rd rounders should not be penciled in. Considering Buchnevich and Duclair were picked in the same round, 2 out of 3 is excellent.


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Posted 2017-07-15 7:37 AM (#678024 - in reply to #677999)
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Vua - 2017-07-14 5:20 PM

robstones - 2017-07-14 5:55 PM

Burning the first year in Hartford to get him playing in North America. I guess they're confident he's ready too. Fighting for a spot next year?


Doesn't his contract slide if he plays less than 10 nhl games due to his age?





NHL ENTRY LEVEL CONTRACTS

Here’s a quick primer that may be of interest concerning ELC (entry level contracts):

All NHL entry level contracts are age based and all are automatically “two-way” contracts. Players younger than 25 years of age as of September 15th of their first NHL contract must sign an ELC which have set limitations.

Definitions are as follows:

Two-Way Contract – the players salary is dependent on the league in which the player is assigned to play. The entry level NHL maximum salary is $925,000 and AHL maximum salary is $70,000
PTO (Professional Try Out) – This is found only in the AHL and is limited to 25 games. Can only sign two per season.
ATO (Amateur Try Out) – This can be offered in the NHL, AHL or ECHL and generally applies to players leaving college (typically at the end of the season) and who are attempting to turn professional
STC (Standard Player Contract) – Usually a standard contract with an AHL or ECHL team
ELS (Entry Level Slide) – If a player who is signed to an entry-level contract and is 18 or 19 years of age (as of September 15 of the signing year), does not play in a minimum of 10 NHL games (including both regular season and playoffs; AHL games do not count), their contract is considered to ‘slide’, or extend, by one year. For example, if a player signed an ELC for three seasons from 2015-16 to 2017-2018, and their contract slides, their contract is now effective from 2016-17 to 2018-19. An exception to this rule is that if the player is 19 on September 15 of the first year of their contract, and turns 20 between September 16 and December 31, their contract does not slide.
Based on age, the players offered an NHL entry level deal must be offered the following:

Age 18-21: Three-Year Deal
Age 22-23: Two-Year Deal
Age 24: One- Year Deal
NHL Entry Level Contracts have the following components:

Maximum Salary $925,000
Signing Bonus: Limited to 10% of maximum salary or $92,500 (included in salary)
Type A Bonus: Maximum $850,000 ($212,500 per individual bonus) for such performance based qualifiers such as ice time, goals, plus/minus
Type B Bonus: Maximum $2,000,000 for league performance awards (example: top 5 post-season awards) per season
Theoretically, a player could earn total compensation of $3,775,000
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Mikey Red
Posted 2017-07-15 8:07 AM (#678026 - in reply to #677995)
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Good info R
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Mikey Red
Posted 2017-07-15 8:10 AM (#678027 - in reply to #677995)
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Public College is now "free" in NYS....Should be interesting.
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Posted 2017-07-15 8:42 AM (#678028 - in reply to #677995)
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I just hope he doesn't Chytil the bed.

Edited by Rranger 2017-07-15 8:42 AM
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Mikey Red
Posted 2017-07-15 8:58 AM (#678030 - in reply to #677995)
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Ha ha R...But historically speaking....It'll be a wild ride
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Posted 2017-07-15 9:32 AM (#678033 - in reply to #677995)
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1999 draft we had 2 picks in the top 10 ...the #4 and #9...We bombed on both of them
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Posted 2017-07-15 9:49 AM (#678034 - in reply to #678033)
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Mikey Red - 2017-07-15 8:32 AM

1999 draft we had 2 picks in the top 10 ...the #4 and #9...We bombed on both of them





That one was a kick in the rocks. Smith traded up in a bad draft year. That one was on Smith, teams were not liking the top end talent in that draft, that and Brian Burke wanting the Sedin twins resulted in a lot of pick movement. Brendl and Lundmark two of the worst picks ever by the Rangers.
I got more faith in these picks. Brendl and Lundmark were both supposedly more of a finished product, whereas Andersson and especially Chytil or more on the come, with a lot of unknown and untapped potential ceiling to their games. Speaking for myself I'm liking these picks more as I research them.
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Posted 2017-07-15 10:02 AM (#678035 - in reply to #677995)
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Yeah totally R....awful awful picks that bombed...I went back and looked...NYR had 11 picks in that draft...They swung and missed with all of them....I hate Neil Smith...He caved to that POS Keenan who wanted enough to win in 1 year and split....and Smith gave away the next generation core of Rangers..Amonte, Weight, Marchant, Nordstrom, Cloutier etc...Imagine that today if we traded a Buch or Zib or JT or Kreider for say Steve Ott?
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Posted 2017-07-15 10:11 AM (#678036 - in reply to #677995)
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And you are right...I went back and looked...That was a horrible draft...So in a way Smith got bailed out......Sather in 2003 was not as fortunate
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Posted 2017-07-15 10:37 AM (#678037 - in reply to #678036)
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Mikey Red - 2017-07-15 9:11 AM

And you are right...I went back and looked...That was a horrible draft...So in a way Smith got bailed out......Sather in 2003 was not as fortunate




Well Smith was supposed to know the issues with the draft. He misread it. A lot of assets walked down the road in those trades.
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Mikey Red
Posted 2017-07-15 10:47 AM (#678038 - in reply to #677995)
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Yep absolutely...To me he is not welcome back at MSG
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Posted 2017-07-15 10:59 AM (#678039 - in reply to #678002)
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Mikey Red - 2017-07-14 6:38 PM

2005 9 Picks Staal Sauer only ones to play for us (Gordies first draft)
2006 7 picks Anisimov
2007 6 Picks Hagelin
2008 7 Picks Del Zotto Stepan
2009 7 Picks Kreider
2010 6 Picks Mclrath Fast
2011 6 Picks JT
2012 4 Picks Skjei
2013 5 Picks Duclair Buch Skapski
2014 7 Picks 0
2015 7 Picks 0
2016 6 Picks 0
2017 7 Picks N/A

Not too impressive



Do you know anything about hockey? If you produce one good player a year from your draft, that with your first and second round picks, you are way ahead of the curve in the NHL. You're team will always be fairly young. 2014 to me, Shesterkin is our future goalie. I wouldn't rule out Halverson either. 2015, Gropp and Zborovskiy look like very strong bets to make the roster soon. 2016, could be as many as 2-3 guys looking to make the roster a few years down the line. You seem to be under this moronic impression this team doesn't develop or draft players. Get a clue dude.
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Posted 2017-07-15 11:30 AM (#678040 - in reply to #678039)
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itsmcilrathtime - 2017-07-15 10:59 AM

Mikey Red - 2017-07-14 6:38 PM

2005 9 Picks Staal Sauer only ones to play for us (Gordies first draft)
2006 7 picks Anisimov
2007 6 Picks Hagelin
2008 7 Picks Del Zotto Stepan
2009 7 Picks Kreider
2010 6 Picks Mclrath Fast
2011 6 Picks JT
2012 4 Picks Skjei
2013 5 Picks Duclair Buch Skapski
2014 7 Picks 0
2015 7 Picks 0
2016 6 Picks 0
2017 7 Picks N/A

Not too impressive



Do you know anything about hockey? If you produce one good player a year from your draft, that with your first and second round picks, you are way ahead of the curve in the NHL. You're team will always be fairly young. 2014 to me, Shesterkin is our future goalie. I wouldn't rule out Halverson either. 2015, Gropp and Zborovskiy look like very strong bets to make the roster soon. 2016, could be as many as 2-3 guys looking to make the roster a few years down the line. You seem to be under this moronic impression this team doesn't develop or draft players. Get a clue dude.

Is Mclrath still being developed? Oh I see...you give an A for just having drafted guys that "look" like they may make it? Shesterkin is not here til 2020 and then we still dont know how he will pan out....Dont rule out Halverson? well I sure hope not..he was the 2nd round pick...Go back and look at our last 25 years of drafts and see how many generation foundation players we picked.

If you draft one good player in your draft in rd 1 and 2 putting you ahead of the curve? hello Captain Obvious
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Posted 2017-07-15 1:15 PM (#678042 - in reply to #677995)
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I suggest you become a Islanders or Devils fan. The Islanders who ruin countless high pick prospects that Clark never would get an opportunity to draft. Or the imbecile Devils who have no clue how to draft defenseman so they just gave up like this year where they didn't take one in the first 5 rounds.
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Posted 2017-07-15 2:19 PM (#678043 - in reply to #677995)
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Lol tough call....isles have Tavares...maybe I'll pick them...maybe Bridgeport will trade some friction tape for Mclrath
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Posted 2017-07-15 7:30 PM (#678044 - in reply to #677995)
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The last 9 Stanley Cups have been won by 4 teams ....what do they all have in common? They drafted generational cornerstone pieces ....not bottom 6 forwards
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Posted 2017-07-15 9:24 PM (#678045 - in reply to #677995)
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Right, not every team can draft Crosby 1st overall... Malkin.... MAF.... Kane... Toews

Those players only come around so often.

Kreider and Miller are both top 6 players. Buchnevich should prove to be so, too.

Skjei is a top 4 defenseman

Oh and they drafted Lundqvist.

But they suck.... every team sucks except Pittsburgh and Chicago...
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Posted 2017-07-15 10:43 PM (#678047 - in reply to #677995)
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Kreider is a head case who I would trade tomorrow...I love JT but AV dont...He also needs to pick it up...and I dont know if you can call him a top 6 forward yet...Buch is an unknown...Skjei I love..he appears to be the real deal...Henrik is great but old now...and not clutch in the playoffs.... When are we gonna draft a Getzlaf and Perry? a Doughty and Kopitar? a Lidstrom and Datysuk?....a Shea Weber.?...Patrice Bergeron? .....We havent in 25 years...even in the bad old days of the late 90's and early 2000's with primo picks we have blown it ....They havent been able to hit water if they fell off a boat....thats why we havent won a G dam thing since 1994...hopefully Gordie can change it
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Posted 2017-07-16 11:38 AM (#678049 - in reply to #677995)
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There is a case that 1/2 the roster underperformed. At some point in time it ain't the ingredients.
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Posted 2017-07-16 4:07 PM (#678050 - in reply to #677995)
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Mike's head is so far up his azzzzz it's pointless trying to educate him. Go over the past 10 years. Find out how many of those years the Rangers didn't develop at least one good player. This team is extremely young after almost a decade of contending. Yeah. What crap scouts they have. Those same scouts are the same guys that thought the team should go in big on Hayes and Vesey as well. Not to mention add Stralman who the entire league thought sucked. Of course Mikey will say. Every team wanted Hayes and Vesey. Don't kid yourself. I'm sure one of the reasons they came here is because the Rangers are elite at developing young talent. Even with thickhead AV. They never rush prospects. They also teach their prospects defense.

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Posted 2017-07-16 4:53 PM (#678051 - in reply to #678050)
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You are right ...Rangers are so elite at developing talent...That is the reason we have won 3 SC in the last 6 years...You are a tool...you know nothing..Your name says it all...the #10 pick...Im talking about the draft...not signing free agents etc...or however a player falls into their lap.....The Draft
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Posted 2017-07-16 6:15 PM (#678052 - in reply to #678050)
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itsmcilrathtime - 2017-07-16 6:07 PM

Every team wanted Hayes and Vesey. Don't kid yourself. I'm sure one of the reasons they came here is because the Rangers are elite at developing young talent. Even with thickhead AV. They never rush prospects.


Yeah, the time Hayes and Vesey spent in Hartford really paid off.

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Posted 2017-07-17 7:13 AM (#678073 - in reply to #677995)
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Lol lol lol totally Steady ...I think Vesey played 3 years for the Pack before coming up to the big team....Mclrath you are so not welcome at the Molly Wii
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Posted 2017-07-17 3:29 PM (#678074 - in reply to #678002)
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Mikey Red - 2017-07-14 8:38 PM

2005 9 Picks Staal Sauer only ones to play for us (Gordies first draft)
2006 7 picks Anisimov
2007 6 Picks Hagelin
2008 7 Picks Del Zotto Stepan
2009 7 Picks Kreider
2010 6 Picks Mclrath Fast
2011 6 Picks JT
2012 4 Picks Skjei
2013 5 Picks Duclair Buch Skapski
2014 7 Picks 0
2015 7 Picks 0
2016 6 Picks 0
2017 7 Picks N/A

Not too impressive


You conveniently skipped 2004
1 (19) Korpikowski, 609 NHL games
2 (60) Dubinski, 700 NHL games
4 (127) Callahan, 638 NHL games, only 18 last season due to injury

you also forgot Girardi, undrafted, 2005, 788 NHL games

2007 1 (17)Alexei Cherepanov - died
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Posted 2017-07-17 4:33 PM (#678080 - in reply to #677995)
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Yeah X...I didnt conveniently skip anything i specifically went back to the start of Gordies time running the show 2005...I didnt put up Cherapanov for obvious reasons......Giradi was undrafted...yes ...My whole point is what they have done WITH the draft...Korpikoski?...yawn...1st round pick bottom 6 forward...bad pick....Played for us for 1 year....That was part of the dreck we traded Brian Leetch away for....I loved Cally and Duby and wish they were still here.....They are borderline top 6 forwards...but with the right pieces from elsewhere etc...we were on the right track.. I hated Girardi since 2012 Playoffs and when he just stood there and watched Carcillo pummel Gaborik
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