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Posted 2017-09-13 12:13 PM (#679974)
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CAMP ROSTER
FORWARDS
Lias Andersson
Pavel Buchnevich
Paul Carey
Daniel Catenacci
Adam Chapie
Filip Chytil
David Desharnais
Andrew Desjardins
Bobby Farnham
Jesper Fast
Steven Fogarty
Gabriel Fontaine
Tim Gettinger
Michael Grabner
Ryan Gropp
Kevin Hayes
Scott Kosmachuk
Robin Kovacs
Chris Kreider
Dawson Leedahl
Vinni Lettieri
J.T. Miller
Rick Nash
Cristoval Nieves
Matt Puempel
Ty Ronning
Cole Schneider
Malte Stromwall
Adam Tambellini
Jimmy Vesey
Mika Zibnajed
Mats Zuccarello
DEFENSE
Alexei Bereglazov
Brandon Crawley
Sean Day
Anthony DeAngelo
John Gilmour
Ryan Graves
Nick Holden
Steven Kampfer
Brenden Kotyk
Ryan McDonagh
Vince Pedrie
Kevin Shattenkirk
Brady Skjei
Brendan Smith
Marc Staal
Sergey Zborovskiy
GOALTENDERS
Alexandar Georgiev
Brandon Halverson
Henrik Lundqvist
Chris Nell
Ondrej Pavelec
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Posted 2017-09-13 12:51 PM (#679976 - in reply to #679974)
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Andrew Desjardins will attend Rangers training camp on PTO

Larry Brooks tweets that former Blackhawks center Andrew Desjardins will attend Rangers training camp on a PTO.

Desjardins, 31, has played in 408 career NHL games and is a career 52.8% on faceoffs.

Last season he played in 46 games for Chicago, averaging 9:24 while only putting up 1 assist and a minus 6 rating.

Desjardins, 6-1 an 195, has played in 53 career playoff games and won a Stanley Cup with Chicago in 2014-15, averaging 13:56 per game.

He just finished up a two-year contract with Chicago that had a cap hit of $800,000 per season.

Joel Quenneville said during training camp last season that he appreciates how Desjardins "competes," can play all three forward positions, kill penalties and bring a bit of physicality. (Chicago Tribune)

Adam Rotter: Here is another depth option at center for the Rangers. Desjardins is a fourth line center and in the event of injury of that they aren't totally comfortable with Lias Andersson or Boo Nieves at center, he is a veteran who can likely handle things on the fourth line. There isn't a ton of upside with him but a hard worker that kills penalties, and would likely be very cheap, could fit the bill if he has a good camp and preseason.

Whether it ends up as Desjardins or someone else, if the Rangers are going to add another center, barring a trade, before the season starts it's going to be someone like Desjardins. The guys who are around and available right now are all similar, bottom-six type of forwards and if the Rangers want to add someone it will be someone like that.
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Posted 2017-09-13 12:57 PM (#679977 - in reply to #679974)
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NY Rangers Craigslist ad : "Non scoring Centers WANTED"
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Posted 2017-09-13 2:12 PM (#679978 - in reply to #679977)
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Spider3WideBanana - 2017-09-13 12:57 PM

NY Rangers Craigslist ad : "Non scoring Centers WANTED"

Theres a bidding war with this list
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Posted 2017-09-13 2:56 PM (#679979 - in reply to #679976)
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RANGERNUT - 2017-09-13 11:51 AM

Andrew Desjardins will attend Rangers training camp on PTO

Larry Brooks tweets that former Blackhawks center Andrew Desjardins will attend Rangers training camp on a PTO.

Desjardins, 31, has played in 408 career NHL games and is a career 52.8% on faceoffs.

Last season he played in 46 games for Chicago, averaging 9:24 while only putting up 1 assist and a minus 6 rating.

Desjardins, 6-1 an 195, has played in 53 career playoff games and won a Stanley Cup with Chicago in 2014-15, averaging 13:56 per game.

He just finished up a two-year contract with Chicago that had a cap hit of $800,000 per season.

Joel Quenneville said during training camp last season that he appreciates how Desjardins "competes," can play all three forward positions, kill penalties and bring a bit of physicality. (Chicago Tribune)

Adam Rotter: Here is another depth option at center for the Rangers. Desjardins is a fourth line center and in the event of injury of that they aren't totally comfortable with Lias Andersson or Boo Nieves at center, he is a veteran who can likely handle things on the fourth line. There isn't a ton of upside with him but a hard worker that kills penalties, and would likely be very cheap, could fit the bill if he has a good camp and preseason.

Whether it ends up as Desjardins or someone else, if the Rangers are going to add another center, barring a trade, before the season starts it's going to be someone like Desjardins. The guys who are around and available right now are all similar, bottom-six type of forwards and if the Rangers want to add someone it will be someone like that.







Coincidence after Traverse City or insurance and possible doubts about Andersson. It's not about Andersson making the team and learning on the job. He has to be a guy who fills his role as a NHL quality player, not some kid struggling and eventually sent down at the end of November. IMO he's got to beat out the midget for the third center or he's not ready. Playing on a fourth line with little opportunity to expand his offensive game would not be helping his development. I'm not liking the way this center position is lining up especially since double mint has already shot down Miller getting a shot.
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Posted 2017-09-13 7:35 PM (#679982 - in reply to #679974)
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I'd rather see Jarko Immonen lol
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Posted 2017-09-14 6:51 AM (#679989 - in reply to #679974)
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Not too happy with this, even as an insurance policy it's not a good one. They could have signed Winnik a couple of days ago but he's PTO with Minnesota now.

Interesting thought about possibly being disappointed with Andersson after Traverse City. It's difficult to get a read on NHL-readiness in a rookie camp, since you're playing with rookies, against rookies. Andersson didn't take over during TC, but really, the Rangers had a pretty poor showing overall.

At least they're signing these pre-camp insurance guys to PTOs now, and not full contracts, like they did a few years ago.
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Posted 2017-09-14 10:19 AM (#680005 - in reply to #679974)
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Going to be interesting to see how much Chytil can do.

The good news is The Rangers won't have a problem filling out a top 9 and top 2 pairs, and only really have holes on the 4th line and bottom pair on D. All of which should be filled as there is a fair amount of competition.

The success of this team will come from

1) How good Henrik Lundqvist can be... first and foremost
2) How much improvement the younger guys can bring... Buchnevich.... Vesey.... Skjei.... Zibanejad... Hayes... Miller...
3) Just how good McDonagh Shattenkirk are together. They'll be good, but how good is a question that will be a factor in giving this year's team an identiity.
4) Finding the answers to depth at center.

I'm mostly excited to see an improved Buchnevich earn full time minutes the way and capacity Skjei did after his first year.

Runner up is finding out for sure what DeAngelo is all about.

Those two could be real X factors for this team

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Posted 2017-09-14 10:22 AM (#680006 - in reply to #679974)
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Kreider needs to show up on a regular basis too
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Posted 2017-09-14 12:19 PM (#680009 - in reply to #680006)
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Mikey Red - 2017-09-14 12:22 PM

Kreider needs to show up on a regular basis too


Good luck with that.
He has increased his scoring and he is a huge physical presence, but he also goes missing for huge chunks of games. His hit count last year was 70% of the year before. He did have a few injuries and missed games. Maybe this is who he is.
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Posted 2017-09-14 12:32 PM (#680010 - in reply to #680005)
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robstones - 2017-09-14 11:19 AM

Going to be interesting to see how much Chytil can do.

The good news is The Rangers won't have a problem filling out a top 9 and top 2 pairs, and only really have holes on the 4th line and bottom pair on D. All of which should be filled as there is a fair amount of competition.

The success of this team will come from

1) How good Henrik Lundqvist can be... first and foremost
2) How much improvement the younger guys can bring... Buchnevich.... Vesey.... Skjei.... Zibanejad... Hayes... Miller...
3) Just how good McDonagh Shattenkirk are together. They'll be good, but how good is a question that will be a factor in giving this year's team an identiity.
4) Finding the answers to depth at center.

I'm mostly excited to see an improved Buchnevich earn full time minutes the way and capacity Skjei did after his first year.

Runner up is finding out for sure what DeAngelo is all about.

Those two could be real X factors for this team



Agree with pretty much all of this. Would love to get a good look at Chytil but I have zero expectation that he'll make the team out of camp. Like you mentioned, we have one talented scoring winger already who has yet to show his potential, Chytil has a couple of years to develop into what the Rangers need from him.

DeAngelo... I'm not a huge fan and also not trying to hide my bias. He has undeniable talent but he also has huge holes in his game. Like another young offensive defenseman who went in the first round, NYR will soon find out if the good outweighs the bad.

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Posted 2017-09-14 2:53 PM (#680011 - in reply to #680009)
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x10003q - 2017-09-14 2:19 PM

Mikey Red - 2017-09-14 12:22 PM

Kreider needs to show up on a regular basis too


Good luck with that.
He has increased his scoring and he is a huge physical presence, but he also goes missing for huge chunks of games. His hit count last year was 70% of the year before. He did have a few injuries and missed games. Maybe this is who he is.


I don't think Kreider has seen his best days yet, but what you see is what you get. He can break 30g though. There's no doubt in my mind he xan do that this year.
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Posted 2017-09-14 3:13 PM (#680012 - in reply to #679974)
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AV says Miller will start the preseason as center, so that should be interesting...distinct lack of forward depth this year
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Posted 2017-09-14 3:19 PM (#680014 - in reply to #680012)
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Fish - 2017-09-14 3:13 PM

AV says Miller will start the preseason as center, so that should be interesting...distinct lack of forward depth this year

Sathers bad moves led to this day
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Posted 2017-09-14 5:00 PM (#680017 - in reply to #679974)
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I've said it since he's been here, I like Miller better as a center.

I know that's not popular belief, but I'm glad he's getting a legit opportunity there, rather then just a game or two....

Let him get back into the groove of it.... We drafted him as a center. IMO it's where he belongs.

And he's a better player than Hayes, so I have him slotted as the 2nd line C, but we'll see....

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Posted 2017-09-14 5:27 PM (#680018 - in reply to #680017)
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robstones - 2017-09-14 5:00 PM

I've said it since he's been here, I like Miller better as a center.

I know that's not popular belief, but I'm glad he's getting a legit opportunity there, rather then just a game or two....

Let him get back into the groove of it.... We drafted him as a center. IMO it's where he belongs.

And he's a better player than Hayes, so I have him slotted as the 2nd line C, but we'll see....



I don't think they have any choice besides trying him but not sure it will work out. Physical tools aren't his problem, I Just think his hockey IQ is a bit low and you don't want that in a center. I will admit he has turned out better than I thought and may do so again, but I guess we'll see.
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Posted 2017-09-14 7:08 PM (#680019 - in reply to #679974)
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I don't like Miller as a center. There was a reason why he was put on the wing. He's terrible at moving the puck in his own zone. That's a bad attribute for a center.
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Posted 2017-09-14 7:08 PM (#680020 - in reply to #679974)
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They used JT in all situations last year... PK.... PP.... I think his two way game has developed enough to trust him there. They surely don't have many choices, but I think it works out fine until they trade for something better *cough* Mackinnon *cough*cough*

It'll be good in the long run, though... the injury to Hayes and/or Zibanejad is bound to happen, and when it does, the experience Miller gets early on should allow him to move to the middle again seemlessly.

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Posted 2017-09-14 7:13 PM (#680021 - in reply to #679974)
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Can we trade AV for Mackinnon?
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Posted 2017-09-14 7:20 PM (#680022 - in reply to #679974)
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I like Miller at center and don't see Zibanejad or certainly Hayes as being better. Miller has more balls on his left side than those two do combined. But I think double mint has his favourites and Miller ain't one of them. Interesting weeks ago double mint was quoted Miller was not an option at center during camp. Now that they have assembled he probably got tuned by Gorton and now Miller will start at center, leaving Miller to shake his head.
Andersson had a chance to shine at Traverse City and was average. Not what you want to see as management if your expecting him to start in New York. I think double mint and management had it in their heads he was going to start based on last season and a whole lot of talk and they might have got their first sign he might not be in NYC this season. That's not to say he can't blow their doors off in training camp, but I expect there was some disappointment in his Traverse showing.

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Posted 2017-09-14 8:29 PM (#680024 - in reply to #679974)
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Spot on R
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Posted 2017-09-15 7:45 AM (#680034 - in reply to #679974)
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I prefer Miller at wing but the lack of center depth may not give us that option. One big aspect of trading Stepan that's not often talked about is that there is now a complete lack of defensive ability down the middle. Zbad, Miller, Hayes, Desharnais, all are guys you would typically shelter. Don't have that option anymore.

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Posted 2017-09-15 7:55 AM (#680035 - in reply to #679974)
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Hayes and Miller were a fantastic PK duo last season...
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Posted 2017-09-15 8:11 AM (#680036 - in reply to #679974)
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Andersson didn't dominate Traverse City.... but word is he was good.

He was really good in the juniors tournament a couple weeks ago...

Of course they're unsure if he starts this year, but even if he does we still kinda need Miller to be center.

Deshernais isn't a good option as 4C. I'd prefer a better two way guy there and Andersson fits.... even still there's a lack of depth there that Miller needs to be able to fill. If JT doesn't start in the middle, he surely needs to be prepared to switch there.

Unless we're counting on Desjardins to make the team too.... or Nieves to have grown into an NHLer of the Summer....

We need JT to be ready on depth alone. Can't start the season with on 4 options... need the 5th 6th and 7th guy ready in case of injury. Andersson needs to feel the competition, too. Can't just hand him the spot because we're thin at the position.

Lias needs to come here and earn it, and I still think he can
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Posted 2017-09-15 8:19 AM (#680037 - in reply to #680036)
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robstones - 2017-09-15 7:11 AM

Andersson didn't dominate Traverse City.... but word is he was good.

He was really good in the juniors tournament a couple weeks ago...

Of course they're unsure if he starts this year, but even if he does we still kinda need Miller to be center.

Deshernais isn't a good option as 4C. I'd prefer a better two way guy there and Andersson fits.... even still there's a lack of depth there that Miller needs to be able to fill. If JT doesn't start in the middle, he surely needs to be prepared to switch there.

Unless we're counting on Desjardins to make the team too.... or Nieves to have grown into an NHLer of the Summer....

We need JT to be ready on depth alone. Can't start the season with on 4 options... need the 5th 6th and 7th guy ready in case of injury. Andersson needs to feel the competition, too. Can't just hand him the spot because we're thin at the position.

Lias needs to come here and earn it, and I still think he can




Gord Clark on Andersson
""On Lias Andersson, "he had a very average camp, he is maybe tired or whatever but he's gonna have to pick it up for the big camp."
The Rangers went 1-3 in Traverse City, allowing 14 goals while only scoring 5. ""

He was not good.
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Posted 2017-09-15 8:46 AM (#680039 - in reply to #679974)
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Why? Because Gordie said he needs to pick it up? That he looked tired?

Call it average, I guess... but it wasn't a bad showing. Disapointing in that we all expected more, but it was just 3 games... I'm not worried, he does need to pick it up though, no doubt.

He's gotta earn it

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Posted 2017-09-15 8:58 AM (#680041 - in reply to #680039)
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Daily News article says AV has challenged Staal to fight for a spot on the team...interesting...and he is one of our captains...how wrong is that formula?
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/hockey/rangers/rangers-staal-does...

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Posted 2017-09-15 9:06 AM (#680042 - in reply to #680039)
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robstones - 2017-09-15 7:46 AM

Why? Because Gordie said he needs to pick it up? That he looked tired?

Call it average, I guess... but it wasn't a bad showing. Disapointing in that we all expected more, but it was just 3 games... I'm not worried, he does need to pick it up though, no doubt.

He's gotta earn it



Average at a glorified rookie camp is bad for him.
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Posted 2017-09-15 9:42 AM (#680043 - in reply to #679974)
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NYR you are now 91 years old...please stop wearing the ugly 85th jerseys...that you always lose in.
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Posted 2017-09-15 10:42 AM (#680044 - in reply to #679974)
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Chris Kreider is fine after skating into the boards during testing

11:33AM

11:42AM: Kreider told John Giannone that he went to the locker room after hitting the boards so that he could get his skates resharpened.

11:32AM: The Rangers have announced that Chris Kreider is "fine" after leaving the ice during testing today and that he will finish up with Group C later today. (NYR)

Kreider lost an edge during skating drills today and went into the boards legs first. (Steve Zipay)

Kreider reportedly tried to go again and then had to leave the ice. (Brett Cyrgalis)

Brett Cyrgalis then tweeted that Kreider was walking around with no sign of anything "drastically wrong."
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Posted 2017-09-15 10:56 AM (#680045 - in reply to #679974)
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Kreider is a human disabled list
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Mikey Red - 2017-09-15 10:58 AM

Daily News article says AV has challenged Staal to fight for a spot on the team...interesting...and he is one of our captains...how wrong is that formula?
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/hockey/rangers/rangers-staal-does...


Because the reality is, the only reason why Stool is still on this team is that albatross of a contract we are stuck with. The best players should be playing. I'd rather have $6 million riding the pine than having a better player that's making a lot less on the pine.

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Posted 2017-09-15 11:34 AM (#680047 - in reply to #679982)
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Spider3WideBanana - 2017-09-13 7:35 PM

I'd rather see Jarko Immonen lol


Have to love the days of moron Renney where a 23 year old player had 30 G, 74 points in the AHL and can't make a team that doesn't score. Yet Hollweg career high of 14 AHL points for the Pack, Ortmeyer a career high of 27 points for the Pack make the team. That's why you got fired Tom. Because you're a moron.

If we had a player on our AHL team this year with 70 points he would have been penciled in for the opening day lineup.

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itsmcilrathtime - 2017-09-15 11:34 AM

Spider3WideBanana - 2017-09-13 7:35 PM

I'd rather see Jarko Immonen lol


Have to love the days of moron Renney where a 23 year old player had 30 G, 74 points in the AHL and can't make a team that doesn't score. Yet Hollweg career high of 14 AHL points for the Pack, Ortmeyer a career high of 27 points for the Pack make the team. That's why you got fired Tom. Because you're a moron.

If we had a player on our AHL team this year with 70 points he would have been penciled in for the opening day lineup.


On the 4th line and the promptly benched the first time he made a bad pass. Have you watched how AV treats young players?
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Steady Eddie - 2017-09-15 11:17 AM

Mikey Red - 2017-09-15 10:58 AM

Daily News article says AV has challenged Staal to fight for a spot on the team...interesting...and he is one of our captains...how wrong is that formula?
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/hockey/rangers/rangers-staal-does...


Because the reality is, the only reason why Stool is still on this team is that albatross of a contract we are stuck with. The best players should be playing. I'd rather have $6 million riding the pine than having a better player that's making a lot less on the pine.


Totally ...F Sather
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