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Mikey Red
Posted 2017-09-28 10:46 AM (#681177 - in reply to #679974)
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Puempel is getting waived today......... Letteiri thru Boo got sent to Hartford...Lias back to Sweden...Farnharm released from PTO
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Mikey Red
Posted 2017-09-28 10:48 AM (#681178 - in reply to #679974)
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Carey and the Heatl Miser have a shot 25 on Roster now ....2 cuts left could be Fogarty and Desjardins
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Posted 2017-09-28 10:53 AM (#681179 - in reply to #681172)
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sureshore - 2017-09-28 12:28 PM

rjpny75 - 2017-09-28 12:20 PM

Lines today as reported on Twitter... https://twitter.com/NYRangers/status/913428161819488256

Rangers Roster as reported on their website... https://www.nhl.com/rangers/roster



Just so f'ed up. Still have Holden AND Kampfer. No Pionk or Graves.

And of course, just to piss me off Puempel remains


OK - Puempel gone but Desjardin stays. We have this year's Tanner Glass - no hands award winner kept
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robstones
Posted 2017-09-28 11:01 AM (#681180 - in reply to #679974)
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Either Chytil stays after the first 9 games or Miller moves to center.... Kid still has work to do to solidify his spot. Prove he can compete against full NHL rosters.... I think he can do it.
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Mikey Red
Posted 2017-09-28 11:05 AM (#681181 - in reply to #679974)
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Yep Rob Im pulling for him...Lias def isnt ready and I hope he is not a bust with the #7 pick
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Posted 2017-09-28 11:08 AM (#681182 - in reply to #679974)
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Also realize, Puempel is on waivers, he has not been assigned to Hartford. In order to be assigned to Hartford, he would need to clear waivers first. He may also be put on waivers now, while the rest of the league is putting people on waivers, to prevent/discourage teams from taking him now. If he clears waivers now he doesn't need to pass through again in 30 days. Puempel may very well stay on the NHL roster.

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Posted 2017-09-28 11:09 AM (#681183 - in reply to #681181)
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Mikey Red - 2017-09-28 12:05 PM

Yep Rob Im pulling for him...Lias def isnt ready and I hope he is not a bust with the #7 pick


I think that if it weren't for Chytil's strong showing in camp, Andersson would definitely be on the roster.

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Mikey Red
Posted 2017-09-28 11:16 AM (#681184 - in reply to #679974)
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Yeah I hear ya...but honestly I barely noticed him out there
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Posted 2017-09-28 11:16 AM (#681185 - in reply to #679974)
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Chytil is a freak... he just turned 18.

Andersson is very close to being NHL ready, if not now... he can hang... he showed that imo.... There's nothing wrong with letting him develop like a normal human being. If he comes over next year, and makes it as a 19 year old, he still be considered young for this league.

Definitely not a bust
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Posted 2017-09-28 11:22 AM (#681187 - in reply to #681184)
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Mikey Red - 2017-09-28 12:16 PM

Yeah I hear ya...but honestly I barely noticed him out there


That's the difference between Andersson and Chytil, Chytil is much more risk/reward and his offensive abilities can dominate a shift. Andersson will rarely be like that. It's like you never see Bergeron go out there and just dominate - but he does everything well whenever he plays. Andersson is in the same mold. Totally agree with Rob, Andersson could play in this league right now, but I also have no problem with him getting bigger/better for another year.

It's astounding that we're talking about and considering the possibility of not one, but TWO 18 year olds making the Rangers roster. It wasn't that long ago that just the thought of a rookie making the Rangers out of camp was incredible.
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Mikey Red
Posted 2017-09-28 11:25 AM (#681190 - in reply to #679974)
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Yep NYR track record with the draft is an F
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Mikey Red
Posted 2017-09-28 11:27 AM (#681192 - in reply to #679974)
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Also I dont want my #7 pick in the draft amounting only to be a no frills responsible player...We have that in Jesper Fast aka Albert
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Posted 2017-09-28 12:41 PM (#681198 - in reply to #681190)
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Mikey Red - 2017-09-28 1:25 PM

Yep NYR track record with the draft is an F


what?
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robstones
Posted 2017-09-28 12:52 PM (#681199 - in reply to #679974)
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You barely noticed Andersson? Had a couple of nice assists..... blocked all those shots.... He wasn't put out there with much talent too often either, so he never got the perfect feed from Zuccarello ever.

He's more than a Jesper Fast. Just because he plays a responsible game doesn't mean he has limited ability. He just doesn't have the elite offense that Chytil does.

Andersson should grow in to an all situations type player.... I'm not sure Chytil will be out there killing penalties, and taking defensive zone draws too often.

We'll never know how high Chytil would have been taken in next year's draft, but if they're saying top 5, to me there's a chance.... depending on what he would have done in Czech league this year.... there's a chance he could have been considered #1 overall, right?

He fell because of his age. This kid could turn out better than The Devils Czech kid....
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Posted 2017-09-28 1:49 PM (#681203 - in reply to #679974)
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Roster (from today's Post)

The Rangers announced close to their final roster cutdown on Thursday and Chytil, the first-round pick (No. 21 overall), who just turned 18 years old earlier this month, made the team. Lias Andersson, the No. 7-overall selection from this draft, who had a mild foot injury, was sent back to Frolunda in his native Sweden.
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The team also placed forward Matt Puempel on waivers, with teams around the league able to claim him until noon Friday. Assigned to AHL Hartford were Ryan Graves, Vinni Lettieri, Boo Nieves and Neal Pionk. Bobby Farnham from his Professional Tryout (PTO), while Andrew Desjardins remained with the team on his PTO after completing his two-game preseason suspension.

The remaining forwards are Pavel Buchnevich, Paul Carey, Chytil, David Desharnais, Desjardins, Jesper Fast, Steven Fogarty (injured), Michael Grabner, Kevin Hayes, Chris Kreider, J.T. Miller, Nash, Jimmy Vesey, Mika Zibanejad and Zuccarello.

The remaining defenseman are Anthony DeAngelo, Nick Holden, Steven Kampfer, Ryan McDonagh, Kevin Shattenkirk, Brady Skjei, Brendan Smith and Marc Staal.
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Posted 2017-09-28 2:00 PM (#681205 - in reply to #679974)
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Happy with the cuts. Chytil and Carey belong. Puempel was a AAAA player. If only we can figure out a way to get rid of Staal and Holden.

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Posted 2017-09-28 3:16 PM (#681211 - in reply to #679974)
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You have a way to get rid of Holden and Staal you buffoon. It's called Ryan Graves. However, as I tried to explain to you our coach is a moron with roster selections. He thinks all his defenseman have to be great skaters and puck movers. The concept of protecting the front of the crease and hitting people is lost on this French Canadian pusssssy. He will be fired at the end of this season because of it. Andersson is fine. He needs to round out his offensive game a little more. Carey is a joke. He's 29. He's just here to buy time until Fast gets back.

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Mikey Red
Posted 2017-09-28 3:23 PM (#681213 - in reply to #681198)
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Mandar - 2017-09-28 12:41 PM

Mikey Red - 2017-09-28 1:25 PM

Yep NYR track record with the draft is an F


what?

Perhaps harsh lol ...I guess I want the home run too much
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Mikey Red
Posted 2017-09-28 3:23 PM (#681214 - in reply to #681211)
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itsmcilrathtime - 2017-09-28 3:16 PM

You have a way to get rid of Holden and Staal you assclown. It's called Ryan Graves. However, as I tried to explain to you our coach is a moron with roster selections. He thinks all his defenseman have to be great skaters and puck movers. The concept of protecting the front of the crease and hitting people is lost on this French Canadian pusssssy. He will be fired at the end of this season because of it. Andersson is fine. He needs to round out his offensive game a little more. Carey is a joke. He's 29. He's just here to buy time until Fast gets back.

He's not French...He has no shot
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itsmcilrathtime
Posted 2017-09-28 3:26 PM (#681215 - in reply to #679974)
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LOL. I like AV. He's a better coach than Renney and Torts. However, if he doesn't change his philosophy on defenseman, he will get canned.
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Posted 2017-09-28 3:28 PM (#681216 - in reply to #679974)
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Rangers played the first round perfect up to this date. They took a sure fire, excellent two-way, NHL forward in Andersson who has a non stop motor. Then they swung for the fences in Chytil. Exactly how they should have played it.
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Mikey Red
Posted 2017-09-28 4:28 PM (#681220 - in reply to #679974)
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Yep ...no problem with the picks...hopefully we hit a Home Run with them. The Heatl Miser!...no nickname for Lias yet
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Posted 2017-09-28 4:58 PM (#681222 - in reply to #681211)
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itsmcilrathtime - 2017-09-28 5:16 PM

You have a way to get rid of Holden and Staal you buffoon. It's called Ryan Graves. However, as I tried to explain to you our coach is a moron with roster selections.


I think the question is more about.... what do you do? Waive them?

No.... you try to get something for them. Draft picks preferably at this point.
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Posted 2017-09-28 5:31 PM (#681224 - in reply to #681215)
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itsmcilrathtime - 2017-09-28 3:26 PM

LOL. I like AV. He's a better coach than Renney and Torts. However, if he doesn't change his philosophy on defenseman, he will get canned.


Better than Renney yes.. Torts won a cup, and made the Rangers respectable again..He's just not a players coach..AV has a very good regular season record, but how much has he benefitted from good goaltending??
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Posted 2017-09-28 5:45 PM (#681225 - in reply to #679974)
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But if the replacement is Lindy Ruff.... I wouldn't be so eager to get rid of Mr.... is it double mint?.... I always thought he was sucking on a lozenge or something.....
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Mikey Red
Posted 2017-09-28 5:48 PM (#681226 - in reply to #679974)
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AV never punished Stepan, Staal or Holden fore their piss poor play....But JT loses a faceoff and he gets benched....F AV
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Posted 2017-09-28 6:19 PM (#681227 - in reply to #679974)
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I love a lot about AV as a coach. However, his moronic have to have 6 puck moving defenseman who don't hit or clear the crease crap has to stop. Just look at Pitt. They were almost the complete opposite of that. Graves is a perfect fit as a 5th D guy on this team. I've stood up for Staal for years. He's shot at this point. Holden is fine but I'd rather deal him for picks and keep building the farm.
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Posted 2017-09-28 6:48 PM (#681228 - in reply to #681227)
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itsmcilrathtime - 2017-09-28 6:19 PM

I love a lot about AV as a coach. However, his moronic have to have 6 puck moving defenseman who don't hit or clear the crease crap has to stop. Just look at Pitt. They were almost the complete opposite of that. Graves is a perfect fit as a 5th D guy on this team. I've stood up for Staal for years. He's shot at this point. Holden is fine but I'd rather deal him for picks and keep building the farm.


They have 2 of the 3 best centers in the world on their team, we don't have even a single number one center. They can afford a worse defense or some less talented offensive players at other positions. I don't necessarily disagree with not needing everyone to be a slick skating bunch of puck movers(we've never been close to this and still aren't) but comparing our situation to Pittsburgh is pretty stupid. And that wasn't their plan, they got stuck that way.
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Posted 2017-09-28 6:51 PM (#681229 - in reply to #681228)
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Got my hopes up that the Rangers finally had a young, physical defenseman with size and a nasty attitude. Shoulda known better. Graves doesn't fit the AV "system" so he gets sent down while "Holden the Magnificent" sticks around.

You win, Concust.

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Posted 2017-09-28 7:04 PM (#681232 - in reply to #679974)
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What should they have done with Holden? Waived him?

Should Graves be up sitting in the stands?

Till we get rid of both Holden and Staal, Graves should be getting top minutes with Pionk in Hartford
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Posted 2017-09-28 7:23 PM (#681235 - in reply to #679974)
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Holden shoulda been gone after the playoffs. I can't give AV - Gorton any sympathy for not addressing the problem up to now when they're the ones who created the problem by getting Holden, and made it worse by not moving him. Maybe they shouldn't have protected him in the expansion draft and held onto Lindberg.

You left out one option, send Holden to Hartford and keep Graves. Not sure if the contract crap would allow that, but the team would be better with Graves instead of Holden.
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Posted 2017-09-28 9:12 PM (#681242 - in reply to #681235)
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Holden is a serviceable bottom pair D who can play 2nd pair. He can play both sides, can add some O, and will take the body. He is also cheap for a vet D at $1.5 mil. His defensive decisions are shaky to bad at times and it really showed in high pressure situations. The problem is the coaching staff putting Holden in a position to fail. That is not on Holden. I guess he will be traded, unless he has figured out to play a safer, more defensive game, especially if he is paired with Staal. Hopefully, Graves shows enough to convince the Rangers to bring him up once the injuries start.
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Posted 2017-09-29 2:31 AM (#681244 - in reply to #679974)
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Stepan was the biggest reason the Rangers lost to Ottawa. Not Holden. Rangers keep developing young players every year. Hopefully by the end of this year it will be Chytil, DeAngelo and Graves after Staal sucks which is a pretty good bet. However, as I said before. I expect AV being the pig head he is to screw Graves over and then get fired at the end of the year. Unfortunately, fans forget these are just kids. 20 to 24 years old. If you have a moron coach who continues to complain about what you do because he's loyal to some dumbass vet that doesn't have it any longer, you are going to lose confidence. Confidence for an athlete is half the battle. You saw this when Torts was doing his very best to ruin Kreider.
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Posted 2017-09-29 2:34 AM (#681245 - in reply to #679974)
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Coaches and organizations make mistakes all the time evaluating talent. Sometimes multiple organizations screw up on a player. We saw this with Stralman. Sometimes the system for a player just isn't a fit. AV is the one who needs to adjust his system because it is isn't working any longer. I think that is why Ruff was brought in. AV's system is way too run and gun. Based way too much on skating and not physical and responsible defenseman play. If he doesn't change, he's Torts part 2.
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Posted 2017-09-29 3:51 AM (#681246 - in reply to #681227)
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itsmcilrathtime - 2017-09-28 7:19 PM

I love a lot about AV as a coach. However, his moronic have to have 6 puck moving defenseman who don't hit or clear the crease crap has to stop. Just look at Pitt. They were almost the complete opposite of that. Graves is a perfect fit as a 5th D guy on this team. I've stood up for Staal for years. He's shot at this point. Holden is fine but I'd rather deal him for picks and keep building the farm.


So why did Clendening sit in the pressbox all last year?


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