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Rranger
Posted 2017-10-10 8:43 AM (#682610)
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Not surprisingly A.V. got rid of him but somewhat that he's going to Hartford. Question is he ready for the AHL?
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Posted 2017-10-10 8:49 AM (#682611 - in reply to #682610)
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Good move
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Posted 2017-10-10 9:32 AM (#682615 - in reply to #682610)
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Better than the bench.

Tonight vs St Louis - Staal on first pair, DeAngelo out, HOLDEN-KAMPFER is the third pair.

JFC
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Mikey Red
Posted 2017-10-10 10:36 AM (#682621 - in reply to #682610)
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Hopefully they think of him so highly that he can play for the Pack...get him used to the rink size ans speed. Hang in there Heatl Miser...We are rooting for you
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Posted 2017-10-10 10:37 AM (#682622 - in reply to #682615)
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concust - 2017-10-10 9:32 AM

Better than the bench.

Tonight vs St Louis - Staal on first pair, DeAngelo out, HOLDEN-KAMPFER is the third pair.

JFC

So now its time to dick TD around.....Convert him to a winger already...thats his future
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Mikey Red
Posted 2017-10-10 10:39 AM (#682623 - in reply to #682610)
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So what does this mean what they think of Lias?
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Posted 2017-10-10 10:51 AM (#682625 - in reply to #682615)
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concust - 2017-10-10 11:32 AM

Better than the bench.

Tonight vs St Louis - Staal on first pair, DeAngelo out, HOLDEN-KAMPFER is the third pair.

JFC


And last year is this year all over again.
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sureshore
Posted 2017-10-10 11:35 AM (#682628 - in reply to #682615)
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concust - 2017-10-10 11:32 AM

Better than the bench.

Tonight vs St Louis - Staal on first pair, DeAngelo out, HOLDEN-KAMPFER is the third pair.

JFC


As Einstein was misquoted "Insanity is repeating the same mistakes and expecting different results." regarding "Staal on first pair", I think it's insane to expect anything else than what we've seen the past couple of years
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Posted 2017-10-10 11:52 AM (#682632 - in reply to #682610)
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http://nypost.com/2017/10/10/how-treasured-rookie-talked-rangers-in...
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Mikey Red
Posted 2017-10-10 12:01 PM (#682633 - in reply to #682610)
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That's great...let's get rid of 2 regular Centers and replace them with 2 kids who need to adjust to the rink size....who we don't know yet if they are ready to play for the Pack....Brilliant strategy.
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Posted 2017-10-10 12:06 PM (#682635 - in reply to #682610)
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So Cracknell is better than Chytll, Nieves, Tambellini, Fogarty, Dejardins....... I really wonder sometimes wtf Gorton is up to
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Posted 2017-10-10 12:09 PM (#682636 - in reply to #682610)
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Geez, I forgot Letteri , trainwreck, wtf are they doing?

Edited by Spider3WideBanana 2017-10-10 12:10 PM
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Mikey Red
Posted 2017-10-10 12:22 PM (#682638 - in reply to #682610)
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Yep Spider...JG has me worried
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Posted 2017-10-10 12:27 PM (#682639 - in reply to #682635)
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Spider3WideBanana - 2017-10-10 2:06 PM

So Cracknell is better than Chytll, Nieves, Tambellini, Fogarty, Dejardins....... I really wonder sometimes wtf Gorton is up to


For a 4th line role....you betcha.

You want Chytll on the 4th line? Or getting top line minutes in Hartford?

Are you really splitting hairs whether Cracknell is better than Nieves, Tambellini, Fogarty, Desjardins, or anyone else? He's a veteran guy who knows the role and can play a gritty 4th line game....scored 10 last year...has size and strength. Are you jonesing for Tambo, Nieves, etc. cause they are "home grown" (except for Desjardins)?

Seems like bitching for the sake of bitching.
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Mikey Red
Posted 2017-10-10 12:30 PM (#682641 - in reply to #682610)
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Heatl Miser need to play 30 min a night for the pack....I dont get what Buch has done to get top line yet
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Posted 2017-10-10 12:45 PM (#682645 - in reply to #682625)
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sureshore - 2017-10-10 12:51 PM

And last year is this year all over again.


Is that you, Yogi?
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Rangerjunkie
Posted 2017-10-10 1:07 PM (#682646 - in reply to #682610)
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Would rather him play 15-20 minutes a game for the wolfpack instead of 3-5 minutes a night with the big club.

Was a good move
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Posted 2017-10-10 1:10 PM (#682648 - in reply to #682646)
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Rangerjunkie - 2017-10-10 1:07 PM

Would rather him play 15-20 minutes a game for the wolfpack instead of 3-5 minutes a night with the big club.

Was a good move

I wonder if AV calls out the lines for the Pack too?
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Posted 2017-10-10 2:27 PM (#682652 - in reply to #682648)
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Would rather him play 15-20 minutes a game for the wolfpack instead of 3-5 minutes a night with the big club.

Was a good move

I wonder if AV calls out the lines for the Pack too?


Nope. He uses Renney's line maker.
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Mikey Red
Posted 2017-10-10 3:25 PM (#682655 - in reply to #682652)
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Rangerjunkie - 2017-10-10 1:07 PM

Would rather him play 15-20 minutes a game for the wolfpack instead of 3-5 minutes a night with the big club.

Was a good move

I wonder if AV calls out the lines for the Pack too?


Nope. He uses Renney's line maker.

hahahaha
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Posted 2017-10-10 11:34 PM (#682960 - in reply to #682645)
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Mjolnir - 2017-10-10 11:45 AM

sureshore - 2017-10-10 12:51 PM

And last year is this year all over again.


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Posted 2017-10-11 8:24 PM (#683026 - in reply to #682639)
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Spider3WideBanana - 2017-10-10 2:06 PM

So Cracknell is better than Chytll, Nieves, Tambellini, Fogarty, Dejardins....... I really wonder sometimes wtf Gorton is up to


For a 4th line role....you betcha.

You want Chytll on the 4th line? Or getting top line minutes in Hartford?

Are you really splitting hairs whether Cracknell is better than Nieves, Tambellini, Fogarty, Desjardins, or anyone else? He's a veteran guy who knows the role and can play a gritty 4th line game....scored 10 last year...has size and strength. Are you jonesing for Tambo, Nieves, etc. cause they are "home grown" (except for Desjardins)?

Seems like bitching for the sake of bitching.


Fair Enough , and no, don’t want to see Chytll playing 4th line 8:00 a night, but what does it say about the system, when you can’t recall guys for a spot, and instead waste $700k on a guy I doubt will be here more than a couple weeks ???? Why have a system at all if that’s the mantra ?
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Posted 2017-10-12 7:53 AM (#683031 - in reply to #683026)
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Spider3WideBanana - 2017-10-11 10:24 PM

Mandar - 2017-10-10 12:27 PM

Spider3WideBanana - 2017-10-10 2:06 PM

So Cracknell is better than Chytll, Nieves, Tambellini, Fogarty, Dejardins....... I really wonder sometimes wtf Gorton is up to


For a 4th line role....you betcha.

You want Chytll on the 4th line? Or getting top line minutes in Hartford?

Are you really splitting hairs whether Cracknell is better than Nieves, Tambellini, Fogarty, Desjardins, or anyone else? He's a veteran guy who knows the role and can play a gritty 4th line game....scored 10 last year...has size and strength. Are you jonesing for Tambo, Nieves, etc. cause they are "home grown" (except for Desjardins)?

Seems like bitching for the sake of bitching.


Fair Enough , and no, don’t want to see Chytll playing 4th line 8:00 a night, but what does it say about the system, when you can’t recall guys for a spot, and instead waste $700k on a guy I doubt will be here more than a couple weeks ???? Why have a system at all if that’s the mantra ?


I don't understand the 'waste 700K' (Cracknell is a 675k hit). The guys they bring up will all be around that same number. i hope you don't care what one of the richest teams in the NHL spends on extra guys.

FYI - Nieves is a 755k hit, Fogarty is 750k, Tambellini is 803k. I doubt those 3 can do what a mature 4th line guy with some size and experience can do. They will also get many more minutes in Hartford if they deserve the minutes. That is not going to happen on the Rangers.
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Posted 2017-10-12 8:58 AM (#683034 - in reply to #683026)
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Spider3WideBanana - 2017-10-11 7:24 PM

Mandar - 2017-10-10 12:27 PM

Spider3WideBanana - 2017-10-10 2:06 PM

So Cracknell is better than Chytll, Nieves, Tambellini, Fogarty, Dejardins....... I really wonder sometimes wtf Gorton is up to


For a 4th line role....you betcha.

You want Chytll on the 4th line? Or getting top line minutes in Hartford?

Are you really splitting hairs whether Cracknell is better than Nieves, Tambellini, Fogarty, Desjardins, or anyone else? He's a veteran guy who knows the role and can play a gritty 4th line game....scored 10 last year...has size and strength. Are you jonesing for Tambo, Nieves, etc. cause they are "home grown" (except for Desjardins)?

Seems like bitching for the sake of bitching.


Fair Enough , and no, don’t want to see Chytll playing 4th line 8:00 a night, but what does it say about the system, when you can’t recall guys for a spot, and instead waste $700k on a guy I doubt will be here more than a couple weeks ???? Why have a system at all if that’s the mantra ?



Cracknell's addition only affects the 50 man roster. Whether its his $700 k on the Rangers or a call up from the minors is a moot point. If he gets waived and sent to Hartford no big deal. Great hockey minds have determined he is a better option than anyone on Hartford.
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Posted 2017-10-12 9:02 AM (#683036 - in reply to #683031)
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Spider3WideBanana - 2017-10-10 2:06 PM

So Cracknell is better than Chytll, Nieves, Tambellini, Fogarty, Dejardins....... I really wonder sometimes wtf Gorton is up to


For a 4th line role....you betcha.

You want Chytll on the 4th line? Or getting top line minutes in Hartford?

Are you really splitting hairs whether Cracknell is better than Nieves, Tambellini, Fogarty, Desjardins, or anyone else? He's a veteran guy who knows the role and can play a gritty 4th line game....scored 10 last year...has size and strength. Are you jonesing for Tambo, Nieves, etc. cause they are "home grown" (except for Desjardins)?

Seems like bitching for the sake of bitching.


Fair Enough , and no, don’t want to see Chytll playing 4th line 8:00 a night, but what does it say about the system, when you can’t recall guys for a spot, and instead waste $700k on a guy I doubt will be here more than a couple weeks ???? Why have a system at all if that’s the mantra ?


I don't understand the 'waste 700K' (Cracknell is a 675k hit). The guys they bring up will all be around that same number. i hope you don't care what one of the richest teams in the NHL spends on extra guys.

FYI - Nieves is a 755k hit, Fogarty is 750k, Tambellini is 803k. I doubt those 3 can do what a mature 4th line guy with some size and experience can do. They will also get many more minutes in Hartford if they deserve the minutes. That is not going to happen on the Rangers.


In the grand scheme of things, $675k is not going to break the bank. i am not getting too worked up over it. If he needs to be sent down at some point, you can waive him and assign him to Hartford, and he'll be gone.

Having said that, I also believe picking up Cracknell is less than ideal:

1) The money is not an issue but it's the use of a roster spot. Cracknell puts us at 47, which is not a bad spot, but also, not really necessary. This limits flexibility down the road especially if we enter a deal where another team wants us to take on a contract so they remain 50-compliant.

2) Cracknell can play on an NHL 4th line competently. However, does his value over a kid (let's just use Nieves as an example) really justify the additional cost? Sure you can say "let Nieves have more minutes in Hartford" and that's fine, but as a guy who's projected to be a bottom 6 NHL forward anyway, what does Cracknell really provide that Nieves/Tambellini/Letteri doesn't provide? Not much. You could reasonably expect the same level of play from Nieves/Tambellini/Lettieri as you would from Cracknell. His vast amounts of experience as a fourth liner, is not going to be a difference maker. However, promoting a Nieves/Tambellini/Lettieri, into a role that they're projected for anyway, is only going to give the youngster exeperience they can draw on in the future.

3) Whether it's Cracknell or a kid, the fourth line should not be getting 6 minutes a game anyway. It's 2017, balance your damn ice time allotments and use them properly. If the fourth line gets 10-12 minutes a game at the NHL level that's going to be much more valuable to a youngster than 18 minutes a game in the AHL, playing alongside AHL talent, against AHL talent, at AHL speeds. If Nieves/etc were projected to be top 6 talents, then yes I agree then you prioritize minutes in the AHL at different game situations. But they're all supposed to be bottom 6 guys anyway, and the difference between an AHL top-6 and an NHL fourth line, is minimal.

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Posted 2017-10-12 1:42 PM (#683046 - in reply to #683036)
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So Cracknell is better than Chytll, Nieves, Tambellini, Fogarty, Dejardins....... I really wonder sometimes wtf Gorton is up to


For a 4th line role....you betcha.

You want Chytll on the 4th line? Or getting top line minutes in Hartford?

Are you really splitting hairs whether Cracknell is better than Nieves, Tambellini, Fogarty, Desjardins, or anyone else? He's a veteran guy who knows the role and can play a gritty 4th line game....scored 10 last year...has size and strength. Are you jonesing for Tambo, Nieves, etc. cause they are "home grown" (except for Desjardins)?

Seems like bitching for the sake of bitching.


Fair Enough , and no, don’t want to see Chytll playing 4th line 8:00 a night, but what does it say about the system, when you can’t recall guys for a spot, and instead waste $700k on a guy I doubt will be here more than a couple weeks ???? Why have a system at all if that’s the mantra ?


I don't understand the 'waste 700K' (Cracknell is a 675k hit). The guys they bring up will all be around that same number. i hope you don't care what one of the richest teams in the NHL spends on extra guys.

FYI - Nieves is a 755k hit, Fogarty is 750k, Tambellini is 803k. I doubt those 3 can do what a mature 4th line guy with some size and experience can do. They will also get many more minutes in Hartford if they deserve the minutes. That is not going to happen on the Rangers.


In the grand scheme of things, $675k is not going to break the bank. i am not getting too worked up over it. If he needs to be sent down at some point, you can waive him and assign him to Hartford, and he'll be gone.

Having said that, I also believe picking up Cracknell is less than ideal:

1) The money is not an issue but it's the use of a roster spot. Cracknell puts us at 47, which is not a bad spot, but also, not really necessary. This limits flexibility down the road especially if we enter a deal where another team wants us to take on a contract so they remain 50-compliant.

2) Cracknell can play on an NHL 4th line competently. However, does his value over a kid (let's just use Nieves as an example) really justify the additional cost? Sure you can say "let Nieves have more minutes in Hartford" and that's fine, but as a guy who's projected to be a bottom 6 NHL forward anyway, what does Cracknell really provide that Nieves/Tambellini/Letteri doesn't provide? Not much. You could reasonably expect the same level of play from Nieves/Tambellini/Lettieri as you would from Cracknell. His vast amounts of experience as a fourth liner, is not going to be a difference maker. However, promoting a Nieves/Tambellini/Lettieri, into a role that they're projected for anyway, is only going to give the youngster exeperience they can draw on in the future.

3) Whether it's Cracknell or a kid, the fourth line should not be getting 6 minutes a game anyway. It's 2017, balance your damn ice time allotments and use them properly. If the fourth line gets 10-12 minutes a game at the NHL level that's going to be much more valuable to a youngster than 18 minutes a game in the AHL, playing alongside AHL talent, against AHL talent, at AHL speeds. If Nieves/etc were projected to be top 6 talents, then yes I agree then you prioritize minutes in the AHL at different game situations. But they're all supposed to be bottom 6 guys anyway, and the difference between an AHL top-6 and an NHL fourth line, is minimal.



Thank you for adding some sanity to this discussion.
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Rranger
Posted 2017-10-13 9:46 AM (#683076 - in reply to #683046)
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Spider3WideBanana - 2017-10-10 2:06 PM

So Cracknell is better than Chytll, Nieves, Tambellini, Fogarty, Dejardins....... I really wonder sometimes wtf Gorton is up to


For a 4th line role....you betcha.

You want Chytll on the 4th line? Or getting top line minutes in Hartford?

Are you really splitting hairs whether Cracknell is better than Nieves, Tambellini, Fogarty, Desjardins, or anyone else? He's a veteran guy who knows the role and can play a gritty 4th line game....scored 10 last year...has size and strength. Are you jonesing for Tambo, Nieves, etc. cause they are "home grown" (except for Desjardins)?

Seems like bitching for the sake of bitching.


Fair Enough , and no, don’t want to see Chytll playing 4th line 8:00 a night, but what does it say about the system, when you can’t recall guys for a spot, and instead waste $700k on a guy I doubt will be here more than a couple weeks ???? Why have a system at all if that’s the mantra ?


I don't understand the 'waste 700K' (Cracknell is a 675k hit). The guys they bring up will all be around that same number. i hope you don't care what one of the richest teams in the NHL spends on extra guys.

FYI - Nieves is a 755k hit, Fogarty is 750k, Tambellini is 803k. I doubt those 3 can do what a mature 4th line guy with some size and experience can do. They will also get many more minutes in Hartford if they deserve the minutes. That is not going to happen on the Rangers.


In the grand scheme of things, $675k is not going to break the bank. i am not getting too worked up over it. If he needs to be sent down at some point, you can waive him and assign him to Hartford, and he'll be gone.

Having said that, I also believe picking up Cracknell is less than ideal:

1) The money is not an issue but it's the use of a roster spot. Cracknell puts us at 47, which is not a bad spot, but also, not really necessary. This limits flexibility down the road especially if we enter a deal where another team wants us to take on a contract so they remain 50-compliant.

2) Cracknell can play on an NHL 4th line competently. However, does his value over a kid (let's just use Nieves as an example) really justify the additional cost? Sure you can say "let Nieves have more minutes in Hartford" and that's fine, but as a guy who's projected to be a bottom 6 NHL forward anyway, what does Cracknell really provide that Nieves/Tambellini/Letteri doesn't provide? Not much. You could reasonably expect the same level of play from Nieves/Tambellini/Lettieri as you would from Cracknell. His vast amounts of experience as a fourth liner, is not going to be a difference maker. However, promoting a Nieves/Tambellini/Lettieri, into a role that they're projected for anyway, is only going to give the youngster exeperience they can draw on in the future.

3) Whether it's Cracknell or a kid, the fourth line should not be getting 6 minutes a game anyway. It's 2017, balance your damn ice time allotments and use them properly. If the fourth line gets 10-12 minutes a game at the NHL level that's going to be much more valuable to a youngster than 18 minutes a game in the AHL, playing alongside AHL talent, against AHL talent, at AHL speeds. If Nieves/etc were projected to be top 6 talents, then yes I agree then you prioritize minutes in the AHL at different game situations. But they're all supposed to be bottom 6 guys anyway, and the difference between an AHL top-6 and an NHL fourth line, is minimal.



Thank you for adding some sanity to this discussion.




Sanity? Cracknell putting the Rangers at 47 means nothing. If a deal down the road with another team in a numbers crunch becomes available the Rangers can do it every day and twice on sunday by dumping any one of 7 guys (by my count) on their list with zero future value. Moving out a Carey, Desharnais, Holden, Kampfer and even Cracknell off the NHL roster is not a big deal if the replacement player is better, and you need a NHL roster spot. Or to improve your list you release your least likely prospect and add the new player, after all he is better or why bother picking him up.. Zero loss of flexibility.
To suggest that Nieves or others can step up and do a similar job to Cracknell might be news to the Rangers decision makers who brought in Cracknell. If Nieves was that close he'd be here. Paul Carey beating Nieves out of a job in camp and now Cracknell isn't exactly a testament to Nieves standing in the organization. Nieve's is almost a mirror image of Cracknell and Carey skill wise, but not near the physical player Cracknell or even Carey is. The bottom line is the Rangers feel Cracknell will bring more to the table than any prospect they have. The book on Nieves is basically closed with this addition or he'd be here. Tambellini still hasn't proven he's a good AHL player, something Lettieri now also has to do before either one can expect a call up. I think the Rangers view on this is they have no one at forward in Hartford ready to help yet.
To suggest the difference between a AHL top six player and a NHL fourth liner is minimal is a little out there. Many teams employ older penalty killing, faceoff specialists, with a physical edge on their fourth line, unlike double mint who likes figure skaters. Although maybe a shift towards something a little more traditional with Cracknell, Fast and Carey. Pretty sure you can go down every NHL team and their top farm team and it won't look much better as far as their farm teams top two liners replacing anyone on their NHL roster. Because on the Rangers its pretty much zero replacements available. The cream rises. There isn't a team in the league going to play a guy, they can replace with a marginally better player. You play your best.

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Posted 2017-10-13 12:28 PM (#683084 - in reply to #682610)
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One more factor for choosing Cracknell - Ruff saw him play every day last year.
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Posted 2017-10-13 12:54 PM (#683086 - in reply to #682610)
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I'd be more inclined to think we picked him up because he has compromising pictures of Ruff like Glass did with AV before believing a 32 year old career AHL player is better than everything we have in our system. When AV has a choice between veteran and rookie, he's going to choose the vet.
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Posted 2017-10-13 12:57 PM (#683087 - in reply to #683086)
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Vua - 2017-10-13 11:54 AM

I'd be more inclined to think we picked him up because he has compromising pictures of Ruff like Glass did with AV before believing a 32 year old career AHL player is better than everything we have in our system. When AV has a choice between veteran and rookie, he's going to choose the vet.



The brass have decided he is a better option than anyone we have in the system NOW. As in ready. Rangers do have some in the system that upon some maturity will obviously become better players.
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Vua
Posted 2017-10-13 6:37 PM (#683210 - in reply to #683087)
Subject: Re: Chytil sent to Hartford


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I'd be more inclined to think we picked him up because he has compromising pictures of Ruff like Glass did with AV before believing a 32 year old career AHL player is better than everything we have in our system. When AV has a choice between veteran and rookie, he's going to choose the vet.



The brass have decided he is a better option than anyone we have in the system NOW. As in ready. Rangers do have some in the system that upon some maturity will obviously become better players.


I love how you're trying to explain it to me in a serious manner after I replied with that.

The BRASS is stupid and we've seen it year after year. They claimed they're retooling but against playing the kids. We have 2 career AHL players on our 4th line. I'd rather lose with 2 kids that have a chance to get better than 2 players with 18 years of AHL experience. There were 20 better options they could have given PTOs to.

Edited by Vua 2017-10-13 7:34 PM
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Rranger
Posted 2017-10-13 7:47 PM (#683275 - in reply to #683210)
Subject: Re: Chytil sent to Hartford


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Vua - 2017-10-13 5:37 PM

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Vua - 2017-10-13 11:54 AM

I'd be more inclined to think we picked him up because he has compromising pictures of Ruff like Glass did with AV before believing a 32 year old career AHL player is better than everything we have in our system. When AV has a choice between veteran and rookie, he's going to choose the vet.



The brass have decided he is a better option than anyone we have in the system NOW. As in ready. Rangers do have some in the system that upon some maturity will obviously become better players.


I love how you're trying to explain it to me in a serious manner after I replied with that.

The BRASS is stupid and we've seen it year after year. They claimed they're retooling but against playing the kids. We have 2 career AHL players on our 4th line. I'd rather lose with 2 kids that have a chance to get better than 2 players with 18 years of AHL experience. There were 20 better options they could have given PTOs to.




Well they are smart enough to know they don’t have any kids ready to play right now.
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concust
Posted 2017-10-14 9:16 AM (#683300 - in reply to #683275)
Subject: Re: Chytil sent to Hartford



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Rranger - 2017-10-13 8:47 PM

Vua - 2017-10-13 5:37 PM

Rranger - 2017-10-13 12:57 PM

Vua - 2017-10-13 11:54 AM

I'd be more inclined to think we picked him up because he has compromising pictures of Ruff like Glass did with AV before believing a 32 year old career AHL player is better than everything we have in our system. When AV has a choice between veteran and rookie, he's going to choose the vet.



The brass have decided he is a better option than anyone we have in the system NOW. As in ready. Rangers do have some in the system that upon some maturity will obviously become better players.


I love how you're trying to explain it to me in a serious manner after I replied with that.

The BRASS is stupid and we've seen it year after year. They claimed they're retooling but against playing the kids. We have 2 career AHL players on our 4th line. I'd rather lose with 2 kids that have a chance to get better than 2 players with 18 years of AHL experience. There were 20 better options they could have given PTOs to.




Well they are smart enough to know they don’t have any kids ready to play right now.


So THE BRASS is immune from criticism? Because they're "career hockey minds" or whatever? THE BRASS is always right and the fans are always wrong?

Please clarify if that's not what you're saying. I'll remember this the next time you disagree with a move that AV or Ruff or Gorton or Drury or McCambridge make.

THE BRASS is always right.

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Rranger
Posted 2017-10-14 9:40 AM (#683302 - in reply to #683300)
Subject: Re: Chytil sent to Hartford


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concust - 2017-10-14 8:16 AM

Rranger - 2017-10-13 8:47 PM

Vua - 2017-10-13 5:37 PM

Rranger - 2017-10-13 12:57 PM

Vua - 2017-10-13 11:54 AM

I'd be more inclined to think we picked him up because he has compromising pictures of Ruff like Glass did with AV before believing a 32 year old career AHL player is better than everything we have in our system. When AV has a choice between veteran and rookie, he's going to choose the vet.



The brass have decided he is a better option than anyone we have in the system NOW. As in ready. Rangers do have some in the system that upon some maturity will obviously become better players.


I love how you're trying to explain it to me in a serious manner after I replied with that.

The BRASS is stupid and we've seen it year after year. They claimed they're retooling but against playing the kids. We have 2 career AHL players on our 4th line. I'd rather lose with 2 kids that have a chance to get better than 2 players with 18 years of AHL experience. There were 20 better options they could have given PTOs to.




Well they are smart enough to know they don’t have any kids ready to play right now.


So THE BRASS is immune from criticism? Because they're "career hockey minds" or whatever? THE BRASS is always right and the fans are always wrong?

Please clarify if that's not what you're saying. I'll remember this the next time you disagree with a move that AV or Ruff or Gorton or Drury or McCambridge make.

THE BRASS is always right.




No one said they were immune from anything. No one said they are always right. In this case I believe they are right you don’t. They feel they have no viable option ready so they brought in Cracknell to do what Nieves should be able to do, and for whatever reasoning they have didn’t want him to. Maybe you have other reasons why they didn’t bring up Nieves. But that can change on a dime. Cracknell is a AHLer with basically one year of limited NHL success, as I mentioned a couple of times like others he can be replaced very easily.

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robstones
Posted 2017-10-14 12:28 PM (#683305 - in reply to #682610)
Subject: Re: Chytil sent to Hartford



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I love how Buchnevich has been on the top line cosistently, but AV is against playing the kids...

No, Chytil the 18 year old just isn't ready.

He has crazy skills, but he was caught with his head down twice in preseason. He needs to learn the smaller ice and speed of NA hockey.

Nothing wrong with letting him cook in the AHL. There is absolutely no reason to rush him. Let's see him dominate down there.

It's only October.... Chytil can and most likely will be called up between now and April...... everyone relax
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