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The AV Watch - Poll
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0 - 5 Games Under .5001 Votes - [2.22%]
6 - 10 Games Under .50016 Votes - [35.56%]
11 - 15 Games Under .5006 Votes - [13.33%]
16 - 20 Games Under .5001 Votes - [2.22%]
21 - 25 Games Under .5003 Votes - [6.67%]
Arniel and/or Ruff become the scapegoats, not AV1 Votes - [2.22%]
Gorton becomes the scapegoat, not AV1 Votes - [2.22%]
Rangers turn it around. All hands safe.16 Votes - [35.56%]
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Mikey Red
Posted 2017-10-26 8:02 PM (#685312 - in reply to #685053)
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jobat317 - 2017-10-26 4:42 PM

I dont care what anyone says, AV has done a lousy job of having this team prepared to start games. Not just this year either! This has been a trend now for a few years. His constant juggling of lines is the main reason that does dont get to gel. He even takes lines that ARE working and breaks them up hoping to get another line hot. He ABSOLUTELY wants nothing to do with newcomers and rookies. He's infatuated with Staal, sitting guys like D'Angelo, Holden, and Kampfer. He played Chytyl a total of 51/2 minutes and determined he wasnt ready despite not using him in situations the kid did very well in the preseason(PP). D'Angelo has either sat or was used less than 5 minutes a game, on this basis he was sent to Hartford. Duh!! Lets not get into the 11 forwards and 7 D line-ups. How the Fruk do lines build chemistry in that set-up??

Yet the Azzwipe calling the shots is doing just that still. It appears that he is here for much longer than this team can afford. I see this season heading right down the sh***er REAL fast. Settle in, its going to be a real rough season

Right on the money bro
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concust
Posted 2017-10-27 7:33 AM (#685326 - in reply to #683557)
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If we're going to tank, I want to tank Edmonton-style. Don't want to pick 15th again.

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Rangerjunkie
Posted 2017-10-27 8:13 AM (#685332 - in reply to #683557)
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If we were to tank Edmonton style, we wouldn't get the first overall. Buttman would screw us over somehow again...
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rjpny75
Posted 2017-10-27 8:32 AM (#685333 - in reply to #685043)
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Mikey Red - 2017-10-26 5:52 PM

concust - 2017-10-26 2:55 PM


Haha with the Yankees firing Girardi, the longest tenured head coach in NY is AV.


Girardi gets fired for winning too much....AV gets extensions for being mediocre


Girardi didn't get fired. His contract was up and they chose not to extend or renew.
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Mikey Red
Posted 2017-10-27 10:49 AM (#685335 - in reply to #685333)
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rjpny75 - 2017-10-27 8:32 AM

Mikey Red - 2017-10-26 5:52 PM

concust - 2017-10-26 2:55 PM


Haha with the Yankees firing Girardi, the longest tenured head coach in NY is AV.


Girardi gets fired for winning too much....AV gets extensions for being mediocre


Girardi didn't get fired. His contract was up and they chose not to extend or renew.

True...but they were not going to let him manage another game either
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Rranger
Posted 2017-10-27 6:48 PM (#685340 - in reply to #685335)
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Mikey Red - 2017-10-27 9:49 AM

rjpny75 - 2017-10-27 8:32 AM

Mikey Red - 2017-10-26 5:52 PM

concust - 2017-10-26 2:55 PM


Haha with the Yankees firing Girardi, the longest tenured head coach in NY is AV.


Girardi gets fired for winning too much....AV gets extensions for being mediocre


Girardi didn't get fired. His contract was up and they chose not to extend or renew.

True...but they were not going to let him manage another game either





It’s splitting hairs. They don’t want him is the end result. Fired, choose not to renew, laid off, it all adds up to bye bye.
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LeetchyMrRanger
Posted 2017-10-29 5:47 AM (#685497 - in reply to #683557)
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We are going to be saying it, it is time for a change. A few more games the season is lost. You are not going to jump over that many teams in today's NHL.
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NTHockey
Posted 2017-10-29 6:25 AM (#685501 - in reply to #685326)
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concust - 2017-10-27 9:33 AM

If we're going to tank, I want to tank Edmonton-style. Don't want to pick 15th again.



Why? We'd only pick a dud (see McIlrath and Jessiman).
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concust
Posted 2017-10-29 6:49 AM (#685502 - in reply to #685501)
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NTHockey - 2017-10-29 7:25 AM

concust - 2017-10-27 9:33 AM

If we're going to tank, I want to tank Edmonton-style. Don't want to pick 15th again.



Why? We'd only pick a dud (see McIlrath and Jessiman).


Simple - the 10-15 spot is brutal. Just enough variance between scouts so that GMs think that they can "beat the system" and get someone that should have gone higher. Top-5 picks are generally consensus top 5 picks. So, much less chance of screwing up.

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Steady Eddie
Posted 2017-10-29 10:54 AM (#685509 - in reply to #685502)
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concust - 2017-10-29 8:49 AM

NTHockey - 2017-10-29 7:25 AM

concust - 2017-10-27 9:33 AM

If we're going to tank, I want to tank Edmonton-style. Don't want to pick 15th again.



Why? We'd only pick a dud (see McIlrath and Jessiman).


Simple - the 10-15 spot is brutal. Just enough variance between scouts so that GMs think that they can "beat the system" and get someone that should have gone higher. Top-5 picks are generally consensus top 5 picks. So, much less chance of screwing up.



Unless you pick Pavel Brendl with the 4th overall. In defense of that pick, 1999 was one of the worst drafts ever. The only top tier talent were the Sedin twins and Zetterberg (picked 210 overall). Knowing our luck, we pick #1 overall in 2018 and get a Patrik Stefan.

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Steady Eddie
Posted 2017-10-29 11:01 AM (#685512 - in reply to #683557)
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My money's on the ax falling after we lose to Vegas on Tuesday.

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Mikey Red
Posted 2017-10-29 11:08 AM (#685515 - in reply to #685512)
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Steady Eddie - 2017-10-29 11:01 AM

My money's on the ax falling after we lose to Vegas on Tuesday.


Let's hope
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Rranger
Posted 2017-10-29 12:43 PM (#685520 - in reply to #685515)
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Mikey Red - 2017-10-29 10:08 AM

Steady Eddie - 2017-10-29 11:01 AM

My money's on the ax falling after we lose to Vegas on Tuesday.


Let's hope








As a add in and to your point.


http://nypost.com/2017/10/29/alain-vigneault-may-have-one-game-left...

Edited by Rranger 2017-10-29 1:28 PM
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NTHockey
Posted 2017-10-29 1:09 PM (#685521 - in reply to #683557)
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Just to torture myself some more (Ranger fan since the early 50's). I thought how would Mike Keenan or Emile Francis or even Scotty Bowman have handled these players. I'm thinking they would either ship them all out, commit suicide or find a way to turn it around.
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Mikey Red
Posted 2017-10-29 1:15 PM (#685522 - in reply to #685521)
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NTHockey - 2017-10-29 1:09 PM

Just to torture myself some more (Ranger fan since the early 50's). I thought how would Mike Keenan or Emile Francis or even Scotty Bowman have handled these players. I'm thinking they would either ship them all out, commit suicide or find a way to turn it around.

Keenan...since he made all the decisions because Neil Smith was a wimp....would have traded the whole team by now for guys much older.
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Blue404
Posted 2017-10-29 5:57 PM (#685523 - in reply to #685522)
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Mikey Red - 2017-10-29 3:15 PM

NTHockey - 2017-10-29 1:09 PM

Just to torture myself some more (Ranger fan since the early 50's). I thought how would Mike Keenan or Emile Francis or even Scotty Bowman have handled these players. I'm thinking they would either ship them all out, commit suicide or find a way to turn it around.

Keenan...since he made all the decisions because Neil Smith was a wimp....would have traded the whole team by now for guys much older.
keenan wanted to unretire Tom Borasso and trade Mike Richter.
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LeetchyMrRanger
Posted 2017-10-29 6:08 PM (#685524 - in reply to #683557)
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AV's days are #ed, this is obvious. Once the players start saying "it is on us, the players", that's the end of the coach, they stopped playing for the coach, the message is lost, ignored, not getting thru, whatever.

The only question now is who takes over? And, what type of a team we see after this change, style, playing time, etc...
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Mikey Red
Posted 2017-10-29 6:48 PM (#685526 - in reply to #685523)
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Blue404 - 2017-10-29 5:57 PM

Mikey Red - 2017-10-29 3:15 PM

NTHockey - 2017-10-29 1:09 PM

Just to torture myself some more (Ranger fan since the early 50's). I thought how would Mike Keenan or Emile Francis or even Scotty Bowman have handled these players. I'm thinking they would either ship them all out, commit suicide or find a way to turn it around.

Keenan...since he made all the decisions because Neil Smith was a wimp....would have traded the whole team by now for guys much older.
keenan wanted to unretire Tom Borasso and trade Mike Richter.

Yep...Keenan and Neil Smith should never be welcome back at MSG or the NYR Family
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Posted 2017-10-29 7:01 PM (#685527 - in reply to #685521)
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NTHockey - 2017-10-29 3:09 PM

Just to torture myself some more (Ranger fan since the early 50's). I thought how would Mike Keenan or Emile Francis or even Scotty Bowman have handled these players. I'm thinking they would either ship them all out, commit suicide or find a way to turn it around.
Francis and Bowman would never have had a roster that resembles this one in any shape or form.
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Rranger
Posted 2017-10-29 7:16 PM (#685528 - in reply to #685523)
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Blue404 - 2017-10-29 4:57 PM

Mikey Red - 2017-10-29 3:15 PM

NTHockey - 2017-10-29 1:09 PM

Just to torture myself some more (Ranger fan since the early 50's). I thought how would Mike Keenan or Emile Francis or even Scotty Bowman have handled these players. I'm thinking they would either ship them all out, commit suicide or find a way to turn it around.

Keenan...since he made all the decisions because Neil Smith was a wimp....would have traded the whole team by now for guys much older.
keenan wanted to unretire Tom Borasso and trade Mike Richter.






Talk about a loose cannon.
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RANGERNUT
Posted 2017-10-30 4:30 AM (#685534 - in reply to #683557)
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yep....
Report: There is a lot of "chatter" the Rangers may make a coaching change soon
Oct 29 | 2:47PM

Larry Brooks writes that there is "considerable chatter circulating within the industry" that Tuesday's game against Las Vegas may determine Alain Vigneault's fate as Rangers coach. (NY Post)

Brooks says that if a change is made then it's likely that Lindy Ruff would be promoted from assistant to head coach. (NY Post)

He said that Ruff would make sense on an "interim" basis but that the next permanent coach of the Rangers would have to be strong in "teaching, developing, communicating with and empowering young players. That's the future of this league. "(NY Post)

Vigneault is under contract through 19-20 after the Rangers extended his contract last season.

The Rangers fired John Tortorella in 2013 after extending his contract.

Adam Rotter: I'm an Alain Vigneault fan and think that his previous success with the Rangers should get him a much longer leash than the one he is on. That said, I felt the same way about John Tortorella and he was fired only a couple of hours after I assumed he would return as coach.

I don't necessarily believe that a coach's job should be tied to one specific game and that if the Rangers are thinking about firing Alain Vigneault then they should do it. How much time would a win on Tuesday buy Vigneault? A day? A week? The season?

Alain Vigneault definitely deserves some blame for how the season has started but he isn't the one on the ice turning the puck over or finishing second in puck battles. I don't think the players have quit on Vigneault and the fact that they keep battling back in games, at least to me, indicates that.

Whether I would agree with the decision or not doesn't really matter, if this is the move the organization feels will shake things up, get the Rangers out of their funk and put them in a position to contend again, then they should do it.
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Posted 2017-10-30 7:33 AM (#685538 - in reply to #685528)
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Rranger - 2017-10-29 9:16 PM

Blue404 - 2017-10-29 4:57 PM

Mikey Red - 2017-10-29 3:15 PM

NTHockey - 2017-10-29 1:09 PM

Just to torture myself some more (Ranger fan since the early 50's). I thought how would Mike Keenan or Emile Francis or even Scotty Bowman have handled these players. I'm thinking they would either ship them all out, commit suicide or find a way to turn it around.

Keenan...since he made all the decisions because Neil Smith was a wimp....would have traded the whole team by now for guys much older.
keenan wanted to unretire Tom Borasso and trade Mike Richter.



Talk about a loose cannon.


Keenan also wanted to talk Potvin out of retirement to play for us.....talk about blasphemy!
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Mikey Red
Posted 2017-10-30 7:44 AM (#685539 - in reply to #685538)
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Haha and Keenan would of took Gilberts #7 down and gave it to Potvin....On another note from above...Adam Rotter...Either he doesnt watch the games or he is AV's nephew....WTF?
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Posted 2017-10-30 9:11 AM (#685541 - in reply to #683557)
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Pierre McGuire on the state of the Rangers right now
10/30/17
9:35AM: On TSN1200 in Ottawa, Pierre McGuire spoke about the Rangers and said:
•Is Vigneault in trouble if things don't turn around, "I would say not just him but the entire organization is going to be scrutinized. It's not just the coach, management group will be scrutinized as well by ownership and the President, Glen Sather. There will be a lot of scrutiny there. Part of it is that the defense is not particularly good right now, letting Dan Girardi go, I don't know if that was wise, he was a very important part of the fabric of that team. Lundqvist has not been great, we have talked about Ondrej Pavelec and some of the great saves he made on Saturday night and some that weren't so great. There is clearly a void down the middle. Mika Zibanejad has had a tremendous start to the year but you can see that not having Derek Stepan there has really hurt them. They've got some internal things that have set them back, there is no question."

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Rranger
Posted 2017-10-30 11:41 AM (#685542 - in reply to #683557)
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There are stories of trading in no particular order, Zuccarello, Kreider, and McDonagh which are all a joke considering the value you’d need back to trade any one of them. If Gorton trades to trade and doesn’t make a good one he’s toast in the spring. He better be smart enough to know, considering the present state of the team, that a coaching change has less personal reputation risk, than a trade not working out. It’s pretty much a substantial mood of public opinion the coach has to go. Not many will overly criticize a coaching change, but it also has to be viewed as the new long term coach is a improvement or the new coach is a fillin for the season, when other candidates might be available. Right now IMO it’s Sutter or a fill in for the rest of the season guy and make moves geared for a bounce back next season.
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Av-merican
Posted 2017-10-31 10:00 AM (#685583 - in reply to #683557)
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I was rudely reminded the Doug Risebrough somehow still has a job in the NHL.
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Rranger
Posted 2017-10-31 11:07 AM (#685585 - in reply to #683557)
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More coaching moves. Tonights probable lineup. This should fix everything, yup. Dumbo breaks up Grabner. Buch, Nieves and Hayes, Fast, and Vesey. The only two lines with some chemistry. Nobody was good against Montreal so cue the blender.

Chris Kreider, Mika Zibanejad, Pavel Buchnevich
Rick Nash, Kevin Hayes, Mats Zuccarello
Jimmy Vesey, David Desharnais, JT Miller
Michael Grabner, Boo Nieves, Jesper Fast
Ryan McDonagh & Brendan Smith, Steven Kampfer & Marc Staal, Brady Skjei & Kevin Shattenkirk
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LeetchyMrRanger
Posted 2017-10-31 11:34 AM (#685586 - in reply to #683557)
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https://www.nhl.com/news/rangers-seeking-better-play-from-henrik-lun...
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Mikey Red
Posted 2017-10-31 11:48 AM (#685587 - in reply to #685586)
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Hopefully Kreider is traded by the time tonight’s hockey match starts
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Mikey Red
Posted 2017-10-31 11:52 AM (#685588 - in reply to #685586)
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Now that he is 35 I don’t think you can expect him to be the old Henrik....he’s got a billion miles on him ...he is what he is at this point
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Rangerjunkie
Posted 2017-10-31 1:16 PM (#685590 - in reply to #683557)
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The old Henrik, is now the OLD Henrik
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Mikey Red
Posted 2017-10-31 1:41 PM (#685591 - in reply to #685590)
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Rangerjunkie - 2017-10-31 1:16 PM

The old Henrik, is now the OLD Henrik

hahaha lol yep
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PV29
Posted 2017-10-31 2:45 PM (#685592 - in reply to #685585)
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Rranger - 2017-10-31 1:07 PM

More coaching moves. Tonights probable lineup. This should fix everything, yup. Dumbo breaks up Grabner. Buch, Nieves and Hayes, Fast, and Vesey. The only two lines with some chemistry. Nobody was good against Montreal so cue the blender.

Chris Kreider, Mika Zibanejad, Pavel Buchnevich
Rick Nash, Kevin Hayes, Mats Zuccarello
Jimmy Vesey, David Desharnais, JT Miller
Michael Grabner, Boo Nieves, Jesper Fast
Ryan McDonagh & Brendan Smith, Steven Kampfer & Marc Staal, Brady Skjei & Kevin Shattenkirk


Typical AV crap. Sometimes you have to let the lines suffer through a bad game, show them video and allow them to react and learn from the bad game. That's how they build chemistry.

You don't pay a guy millions to just have him mix and match lines endlessly hoping to STUMBLE upon the right combination. Any friggin' idiot with a PlayStation and a controller can do that. You pay coaches to use their knowledge, instincts and experience to evaluate players and put them in a position to succeed. Under the heading of "Job Description" for any coach is that phrase in bold. It is here, the most vital aspect of coaching, that AV has failed miserably.

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Posted 2017-10-31 2:49 PM (#685594 - in reply to #683557)
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Rangers will likely be facing a 4th string goalie tonight, making his first NHL start. At home. A loss tonight should end the AV Reign of Suck.
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Rangerjunkie
Posted 2017-10-31 4:16 PM (#685597 - in reply to #683557)
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Buch goes from 1st to 4th, back to 1st. Vesey goes from being benched for the final 25 minutes of last game to 3rd line.

I think av just puts names in a hat and sees what he pulls out to make his lines
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