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The AV Watch - Poll
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0 - 5 Games Under .5001 Votes - [2.22%]
6 - 10 Games Under .50016 Votes - [35.56%]
11 - 15 Games Under .5006 Votes - [13.33%]
16 - 20 Games Under .5001 Votes - [2.22%]
21 - 25 Games Under .5003 Votes - [6.67%]
Arniel and/or Ruff become the scapegoats, not AV1 Votes - [2.22%]
Gorton becomes the scapegoat, not AV1 Votes - [2.22%]
Rangers turn it around. All hands safe.16 Votes - [35.56%]
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Vua
Posted 2017-11-12 6:27 AM (#687385 - in reply to #687384)
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Rangerjunkie - 2017-11-11 7:22 PM

I don't see Shatt do any of those things you say are part of his defensive play, especially (skating, and puck abilities to keep the puck in the offensive zone) except on the PP.

He has 5 assists at even strength in 18 games, where McD has 9.. Shatt is good on the PP, but thats all as far as I can see, and apparently AV agrees!!


So Shattenkirk has the same number of even strength points as Zibanejad (8) 1 more than Buchnevich. And 2 of McDonagh's 9 assists are on empty net goals so we're going to treat them like PP points and toss them aside. Now Shatt has 8 even strength points and McDonagh has 7. I'm sure his goals aren't as important as a secondary assist from McDonagh but you have to count them.
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robstones
Posted 2017-11-12 7:15 AM (#687386 - in reply to #683557)
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Let's forget the assists.... though he's set up some great plays....

Shattenkirk is also tied with Kreider at 5 goals...

More goals than Vesey which 2 of his 4 goals came in one game.
More goals than Miller, Zuccs, and Hayes.

Or, let's put it another way

Girardi: 17gp 0g 3a 3pts
Stepan: 19gp 2g 6a 8pts
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G+Step: 18gp 2g 9a 11pts


Shattenkirk: 18gp 5g 12a 17pts

So 3 more goals, 3 more assists for 6 more points than Step and Girardi combined.... two guys who had A's on their sweaters for how long? Last year's top line center and top pair D-man

He's not the perfect player, I'm afraid. He has some flaws to his game.... But the good out weighs the bad. The Rangers power play is 3rd best in the league right now! It is a big reason for this 6 game winning streak.... why are we throwing those points away?

We're taking the power play for granted all the sudden??? After years and years of having a TERRIBLE power play, we're saying those points are worth less???
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Posted 2017-11-12 10:29 AM (#687387 - in reply to #687384)
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Rangerjunkie - 2017-11-11 8:22 PM

I don't see Shatt do any of those things you say are part of his defensive play, especially (skating, and puck abilities to keep the puck in the offensive zone) except on the PP.

He has 5 assists at even strength in 18 games, where McD has 9.. Shatt is good on the PP, but thats all as far as I can see, and apparently AV agrees!!


Bottom line is, if his presence creates more opportunities than he's yielding then what difference does it make whether he plays PK or not?

He's currently tied for 2nd in NHL for points among defensemen
Tied for 1st in NHL for PP points among defensemen
2nd on NYR in points scored
Leads NYR in primary assists
Leads NYR in 5v5 shot blocks
NYR PP is 25.8%, 3rd in NHL (he basically fixed the pp we've been b!tching about for years)

A PP goal counts just as much as a 5v5 goal right?

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Rangerjunkie
Posted 2017-11-12 11:17 AM (#687389 - in reply to #687386)
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robstones - 2017-11-12 7:15 AM

Let's forget the assists.... though he's set up some great plays....

Shattenkirk is also tied with Kreider at 5 goals...

More goals than Vesey which 2 of his 4 goals came in one game.
More goals than Miller, Zuccs, and Hayes.

Or, let's put it another way

Girardi: 17gp 0g 3a 3pts
Stepan: 19gp 2g 6a 8pts
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G+Step: 18gp 2g 9a 11pts


Shattenkirk: 18gp 5g 12a 17pts

So 3 more goals, 3 more assists for 6 more points than Step and Girardi combined.... two guys who had A's on their sweaters for how long? Last year's top line center and top pair D-man

He's not the perfect player, I'm afraid. He has some flaws to his game.... But the good out weighs the bad. The Rangers power play is 3rd best in the league right now! It is a big reason for this 6 game winning streak.... why are we throwing those points away?

We're taking the power play for granted all the sudden??? After years and years of having a TERRIBLE power play, we're saying those points are worth less???


Oh please....Stepan was never a 1st line center!!
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Rangerjunkie
Posted 2017-11-12 11:22 AM (#687390 - in reply to #687387)
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concust - 2017-11-12 10:29 AM

Rangerjunkie - 2017-11-11 8:22 PM

I don't see Shatt do any of those things you say are part of his defensive play, especially (skating, and puck abilities to keep the puck in the offensive zone) except on the PP.

He has 5 assists at even strength in 18 games, where McD has 9.. Shatt is good on the PP, but thats all as far as I can see, and apparently AV agrees!!


Bottom line is, if his presence creates more opportunities than he's yielding then what difference does it make whether he plays PK or not?

He's currently tied for 2nd in NHL for points among defensemen
Tied for 1st in NHL for PP points among defensemen
2nd on NYR in points scored
Leads NYR in primary assists
Leads NYR in 5v5 shot blocks
NYR PP is 25.8%, 3rd in NHL (he basically fixed the pp we've been b!tching about for years)

A PP goal counts just as much as a 5v5 goal right?



NO! Bottom line is this, he's creating more opportunities than he's yielding, because he's not out there in crunch time!

If he's creating more than yielding he wouldn't be the highest minor player on the teams D... You see +/- is not affected on the PP!

Kampfer who almost creates NO opportunities is half the - player Shatt is...OHHH that's right +/- isn't important, because it doesn't help the argument that Shatt is a GREAT defenseman........

PLEASE!!

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Rangerjunkie
Posted 2017-11-12 11:26 AM (#687391 - in reply to #683557)
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Kampfer who according to many in here is an AHL dman, However AV has him on the PK and protecting a lead with 4 minutes to go..Shatt is glued to the bench in those situations....WHY?????
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Rangerjunkie
Posted 2017-11-12 11:28 AM (#687392 - in reply to #683557)
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You all keep mentioning the PP. That is exactly where I say Shatt has excelled..Where don't you get it?
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Rangerjunkie
Posted 2017-11-12 11:30 AM (#687393 - in reply to #683557)
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I also said in the preseason Shatt would have more points than Stepan...A lot of you said Stepan would get about 70 points...Rob?
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Rangerjunkie
Posted 2017-11-12 11:33 AM (#687394 - in reply to #687386)
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robstones - 2017-11-12 7:15 AM

Let's forget the assists.... though he's set up some great plays....

Shattenkirk is also tied with Kreider at 5 goals...

More goals than Vesey which 2 of his 4 goals came in one game.
More goals than Miller, Zuccs, and Hayes.

Or, let's put it another way

Girardi: 17gp 0g 3a 3pts
Stepan: 19gp 2g 6a 8pts
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G+Step: 18gp 2g 9a 11pts


Shattenkirk: 18gp 5g 12a 17pts

So 3 more goals, 3 more assists for 6 more points than Step and Girardi combined.... two guys who had A's on their sweaters for how long? Last year's top line center and top pair D-man

He's not the perfect player, I'm afraid. He has some flaws to his game.... But the good out weighs the bad. The Rangers power play is 3rd best in the league right now! It is a big reason for this 6 game winning streak.... why are we throwing those points away?

We're taking the power play for granted all the sudden??? After years and years of having a TERRIBLE power play, we're saying those points are worth less???


Who said anything about taking the PP for granted??? Don't make stuff up!! Im as happy as anyone that the PP is much better, especially over the last 6 games, but, it is only 6 games, way to soon to say the PP is fixed. Points mean the same no matter how they're scored. I'm sure you would agree though that it SHOULD be easier to score when you have an advantage of outnumbering the other team right?

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Rangerjunkie
Posted 2017-11-12 11:54 AM (#687395 - in reply to #687387)
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concust - 2017-11-12 10:29 AM

Rangerjunkie - 2017-11-11 8:22 PM

I don't see Shatt do any of those things you say are part of his defensive play, especially (skating, and puck abilities to keep the puck in the offensive zone) except on the PP.

He has 5 assists at even strength in 18 games, where McD has 9.. Shatt is good on the PP, but thats all as far as I can see, and apparently AV agrees!!


Bottom line is, if his presence creates more opportunities than he's yielding then what difference does it make whether he plays PK or not?

He's currently tied for 2nd in NHL for points among defensemen
Tied for 1st in NHL for PP points among defensemen
2nd on NYR in points scored
Leads NYR in primary assists
Leads NYR in 5v5 shot blocks
NYR PP is 25.8%, 3rd in NHL (he basically fixed the pp we've been b!tching about for years)

A PP goal counts just as much as a 5v5 goal right?



It matters that he's not playing the PK because, it shows what a liability he is! Why do you think he sits during the PK? Why is he on the bench in the final minutes of a game protecting a 1 goal lead? It matters because its obvious AV does not want him in those situations, which shows what his coach thinks of his defensive abilities at keeping the puck out of our net
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Rangerjunkie
Posted 2017-11-12 11:56 AM (#687396 - in reply to #683557)
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PP, Shatt great!! Protecting, not so much
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Vua
Posted 2017-11-12 12:40 PM (#687397 - in reply to #687391)
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Rangerjunkie - 2017-11-12 11:26 AM

Kampfer who according to many in here is an AHL dman, However AV has him on the PK and protecting a lead with 4 minutes to go..Shatt is glued to the bench in those situations....WHY?????


The same reasoning when he puts Buch on the 4th line or Holden as a first pair defenseman or Fast in a top 6 roll. Actually the same reasoning that had Kampfer on the ice at all. Somehow we all complain about his personnel decisions, then you use 1 that YOU agree with to make your point. The most logical conclusion is our coach is a moron.
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Rangerjunkie
Posted 2017-11-12 12:47 PM (#687398 - in reply to #683557)
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Hahah I agree av is a moron!!

I didn't say I agree with his decision to bench Shatt when we are on the PK or the last 4 minutes or so protecting a lead...But the fact is, not only is our PP better but so is the PK over the last 6 games

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Vua
Posted 2017-11-12 1:55 PM (#687399 - in reply to #687398)
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Rangerjunkie - 2017-11-12 12:47 PM

Hahah I agree av is a moron!!

I didn't say I agree with his decision to bench Shatt when we are on the PK or the last 4 minutes or so protecting a lead...But the fact is, not only is our PP better but so is the PK over the last 6 games


Point taken. I shouldn't have said you agreed with it, just that you were using it. And our PK being better could be as much Lundqvist playing better as it is anything else. Not that he's been great, but better. And honestly I wouldn't play Shatt on the PK anyway. Rather use him at even strength and on the PP. I always hated AV using McDonagh as much as he did.
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Rangerjunkie
Posted 2017-11-12 6:28 PM (#687400 - in reply to #687399)
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Vua - 2017-11-12 1:55 PM

Rangerjunkie - 2017-11-12 12:47 PM

Hahah I agree av is a moron!!

I didn't say I agree with his decision to bench Shatt when we are on the PK or the last 4 minutes or so protecting a lead...But the fact is, not only is our PP better but so is the PK over the last 6 games


Point taken. I shouldn't have said you agreed with it, just that you were using it. And our PK being better could be as much Lundqvist playing better as it is anything else. Not that he's been great, but better. And honestly I wouldn't play Shatt on the PK anyway. Rather use him at even strength and on the PP. I always hated AV using McDonagh as much as he did.




Our opinions are just that, opinions! My view of his play is my opinion, it doesn't make it truth. My problem along with most of the people in this world, is that we tend to think our opinions are truth.

I understand that a lot of people like Shatt's play, and when I criticize his play it may offend. If that's the case it wasn't my intention, just my opinion!!

We don't have to be disagreeable to disagree! I also agree with about 90% of the opinions expressed in here. So we are all good!!

Bottom line is we all want the Rangers to win!!
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Posted 2017-11-13 7:33 AM (#687404 - in reply to #687399)
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Vua - 2017-11-12 2:55 PM

Rangerjunkie - 2017-11-12 12:47 PM

Hahah I agree av is a moron!!

I didn't say I agree with his decision to bench Shatt when we are on the PK or the last 4 minutes or so protecting a lead...But the fact is, not only is our PP better but so is the PK over the last 6 games


Point taken. I shouldn't have said you agreed with it, just that you were using it. And our PK being better could be as much Lundqvist playing better as it is anything else. Not that he's been great, but better. And honestly I wouldn't play Shatt on the PK anyway. Rather use him at even strength and on the PP. I always hated AV using McDonagh as much as he did.


Right. Assume for a minute that Kampfer and Shattenkirk are equally effective on the PK. Which one do you want out there? Kampfer of course, save Shattenkirk for situations where he can drive possession, make plays, and score goals. So Kampfer being out there on the PK does not mean Shattenkirk is bad defensively. Even if Kampfer is, let's say, 5-10% worse than Shattenkirk on the PK, I'd still rather have Kampfer out there for 2:00 and save Shattenkirk for when the penalty expires and it's 5v5, or the other team takes a penalty and it's 4v4. That's how you coach and manage a team. It's basic stuff and if AV and staff can't manage to do that properly (and sometimes they can't,) they should not have a job (and I don't think they should).

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Posted 2017-11-13 9:22 AM (#687405 - in reply to #687397)
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Vua - 2017-11-12 2:40 PM

Rangerjunkie - 2017-11-12 11:26 AM

Kampfer who according to many in here is an AHL dman, However AV has him on the PK and protecting a lead with 4 minutes to go..Shatt is glued to the bench in those situations....WHY?????


The same reasoning when he puts Buch on the 4th line or Holden as a first pair defenseman or Fast in a top 6 roll. Actually the same reasoning that had Kampfer on the ice at all. Somehow we all complain about his personnel decisions, then you use 1 that YOU agree with to make your point. The most logical conclusion is our coach is a moron.
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robstones
Posted 2017-11-13 10:39 AM (#687408 - in reply to #683557)
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Not going to put Shattenkirk on the PK for the same reason Grabner doesn't see PP time.

Grabner is a good forward. Can score close to 30 goals a year! Why Doesn't he see PP time???

Shattenkirk doesn't shut down top talent. He can defend. His positioning is good. He plays with a bit of an edge. But compared to a Marc Staal, or McDonagh, he can be beat 1 on 1.

And learning a new system especially, susceptable to turn the puck over.

He's doing better though. He's no Roszival
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Posted 2017-11-13 10:40 AM (#687409 - in reply to #683557)
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Oh, and my opinion IS truth!!!!
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Posted 2017-11-13 1:22 PM (#687413 - in reply to #687408)
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robstones - 2017-11-13 9:39 AM

Not going to put Shattenkirk on the PK for the same reason Grabner doesn't see PP time.

Grabner is a good forward. Can score close to 30 goals a year! Why Doesn't he see PP time???

Shattenkirk doesn't shut down top talent. He can defend. His positioning is good. He plays with a bit of an edge. But compared to a Marc Staal, or McDonagh, he can be beat 1 on 1.

And learning a new system especially, susceptable to turn the puck over.

He's doing better though. He's no Roszival






This is Shattenkirk’s eighth year in the league. Most every team uses the same systems, they all have multiple systems, some teams are better than others at switching to other systems even during games , they are usually the good teams. Shattenkirk has no excuses for turnovers caused by learning a new system, as he admits himself in this article. In other words he’s been comfortable since mid October.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/hockey/rangers/kevin-shattenkirk-...

I’ve said it before his two biggest issues are a) turnovers, he has a habit of throwing the puck away. In defence of him sometimes teammates are supposed to be where he is putting the puck. And he’s not the only dman that does it. B) he is often caught flat footed usually because of poor gap and gets beat 1 on 1 as a result. He gets beat often.

Correcting those flaws has eluded his previous coaches. He is not to old to improve those areas with some real work at it. Remains to be seen if it happens here.

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Rangerjunkie
Posted 2017-11-13 4:50 PM (#687414 - in reply to #687409)
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robstones - 2017-11-13 10:40 AM

Oh, and my opinion IS truth!!!!




I gotcha!!
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Posted 2017-11-14 8:02 AM (#687417 - in reply to #683557)
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I still think it will happen, deserved or not, but I'm guessing not until the offseason. There will be some options. I'm willing to bet Minnesota moves on from Boudreau, and I think there's a distinct possibility Quenneville gets ousted in Chicago.
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Posted 2017-11-16 5:38 AM (#687660 - in reply to #687417)
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Av-merican - 2017-11-14 8:02 AM

I still think it will happen, deserved or not, but I'm guessing not until the offseason. There will be some options. I'm willing to bet Minnesota moves on from Boudreau, and I think there's a distinct possibility Quenneville gets ousted in Chicago.


Not after last night .....

What Blackhawks coach Joel Quenneville said about the Rangers before the game last night (CHI):
•"PP is extremely hot and dangerous. A real structured team game, patient in a lot of ways. They have four really deep lines, balanced on the back end and have a real solid goaltender. They are solid, that is the way they play. They don't give you anything and they take what you give them as well."

What Blackhawks coach Joel Quenneville meant to say about the Rangers before the game last night.
•"Their PP has been extremely lucky against weak teams, The team structure is so willy nilly it amazes me that double mint still has a job, they really only have one line, The back end is so suspect that everyone in the league is laughing behind their backs at the Shattenkirk trade, Lundquist has seen better days he just isn't solid anymore and cant be counted on. They play such a soft game its ridiculous but that's the way they have always played, They give you what ever you want and will sheepishly take very little in return."

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Posted 2017-11-16 5:59 AM (#687661 - in reply to #683557)
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Lucky? Come on.... The PP has been good. The team has been good.

Anisimov scored a hatty, and The Rangers had a goal taken away.... The 6 game winning streak was broken, so they lose one game, and it's back to the same crap.

Trade Lundqvist, fire everybody, the sky is falling.
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Posted 2017-11-16 7:37 AM (#687666 - in reply to #683557)
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You have your extremes both ways...

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Posted 2017-11-16 9:06 AM (#687667 - in reply to #683557)
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Posted 2017-11-16 9:22 AM (#687669 - in reply to #687661)
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robstones - 2017-11-16 4:59 AM

Lucky? Come on.... The PP has been good. The team has been good.

Anisimov scored a hatty, and The Rangers had a goal taken away.... The 6 game winning streak was broken, so they lose one game, and it's back to the same crap.

Trade Lundqvist, fire everybody, the sky is falling.



I think the effort was a little bit short. Especially not bearing down on pretty good scoring opportunities in the first. That and a little puck luck and it could have been 3-0 when that puck slipped by Hank. Missed opportunities have a habit of coming back on you. But your not going to win 82 so onwards.
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Posted 2017-11-16 5:04 PM (#687674 - in reply to #687669)
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Rranger - 2017-11-16 11:22 AM

robstones - 2017-11-16 4:59 AM

Lucky? Come on.... The PP has been good. The team has been good.

Anisimov scored a hatty, and The Rangers had a goal taken away.... The 6 game winning streak was broken, so they lose one game, and it's back to the same crap.

Trade Lundqvist, fire everybody, the sky is falling.



I think the effort was a little bit short. Especially not bearing down on pretty good scoring opportunities in the first. That and a little puck luck and it could have been 3-0 when that puck slipped by Hank. Missed opportunities have a habit of coming back on you. But your not going to win 82 so onwards.


Crawford was good, too. Especially early. They took their foot off the gas and lost a game.

The recent schedule hasn't been friendly. It's hard to keep momentum when you're off for 3 days
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Posted 2017-11-16 5:49 PM (#687675 - in reply to #683557)
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Slats and other upper management taking in the Leafs/Devils game tonight.

Let the rumors commence!

Holden for JVR!
Kreider for Marner!
Zuccarello for Matthews!
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Posted 2017-11-16 6:50 PM (#687676 - in reply to #683557)
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You forgot Prucha for McDavid.
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Posted 2017-11-16 7:05 PM (#687677 - in reply to #683557)
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Marner is a dynamite hockey player.
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Posted 2017-11-17 12:27 PM (#687687 - in reply to #683557)
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Why was Glen Sather in Toronto watching the Leafs/Devils?

1:18PM 11/17/17

Sather was around and involved with the Legends Classic game earlier this week, which also featured former Rangers including Mark Messier, Marty St. Louis and Brad Richards.

The NHL has also been celebrating their 100th anniversary this week as well as conducting the GM meetings in Montreal.

Sather and other members of Rangers management were in Montreal recently.

Adam Rotter: My guess is that this week has been full of events and functions in Toronto related to both the Hockey Hall of Fame and the NHL100 and that Sather was still in town and took in the game. He certainly doesn't have to travel to Toronto to watch the Devils, not that the Rangers and Devils would make a move, but the Leafs are an interesting team and want to upgrade on defense. Tyler Bozak is a UFA at the end of the year and someone that the Rangers have been linked to Bozak in the past but I don't know if there is a fit in terms of a trade. While Sather isn't the GM of the Rangers anymore it's still a big deal when, for whatever reason, he is on the road and watching other teams.

full story
https://www.sny.tv/rangers/news/why-was-glen-sather-in-toronto-watch...


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Posted 2017-11-17 12:29 PM (#687688 - in reply to #687675)
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concust - 2017-11-16 5:49 PM

Slats and other upper management taking in the Leafs/Devils game tonight.

Let the rumors commence!

Holden for JVR!
Kreider for Marner!
Zuccarello for Matthews!


Bozak
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Posted 2017-11-17 2:31 PM (#687689 - in reply to #687688)
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Holden for Bozak would be amazing if Smith can get his act together. They can have Deshernais too if they want
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