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Location: Czech Republic | Beezer, the issues with AV are well documented and go far beyond this year.
He forgets players on the bench.
He doesn't adjust.
He ALWAYS prefers vets over kids.
He mishandles players (e.g. Buchnevich).
He doesn't allow for line chemistry to emerge. And if it happens, he destroys it the next game/shift.
He doesn't put the best D players on the ice when it's needed.
He needs superb goaltending to cover up the tons of deficiencies of his defensive "scheme".
He instills gutless and pussified attitude in his players. They don't stand up for each other, don't hit and don't clear the front of the net.
(The list goes on)
He never won anything meaningful and he never will.
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Location: 17 miles from MSG | Beezer34 - 2018-02-13 12:59 AM
I have never been an AV fan on any of the teams or even the Rangers.. BUT I do not think he is the problem. This team was screwed when they revamped the D into a pile of crap.... buying out Girardi long in the tooth but still plays well.. ask Tampa.... then you resign Smith who I never thought was that good.. certainly not 4 plus mil... then sign ****tenkirk who is a one dimensional y player AT BEST for 8 MILLION.. wow... add to this Klein leaving and you have a revamp which was never going to help a hall of fame goalie in the twilight of his career. As goalies that older they need more.. not less help... You also take Stepan a two-way player and remove him and you get worse D.. and you then also move up sophomore Skeji to more minutes and you have 3 D who are hopeless in their own end... McDonough who is trying to do too much.. holden who has been decent .. and a bunch of retreads.... so really the D's death this year is a major factor in the situation they face. Then your big offensive resigning got injured and Kreider has been out and there have been a heap of injuries all at the same time.... so AV is where you would expect him to be.
Changing the coach this year is a waste... a new coach is not going to make these guys better.. and I am not sure what system you can devise that will make ****tenkirk a top or even second pairing D man... he spends more time looking for a pretzel vendor than the play in his own zone.. Trotz last year moved him to the third pairing and top PP unit.. which is where he should be.. Skeji is a decent player but he is Boyle/MDZ 2.0... but he might be able to learn... then you have Holden gone... and Smith on waivers in the minors.. this team is in trouble and a new coach does not change the poor personnel on the ice.
Hank's talent covers up all the warts in whatever AV is coaching in the d end of the ice. If the Rangers had an average goalie, AV never would have been extended and probably been fired long ago.
AV benefited greatly from the Torts instilled team toughness. Layering the AV run and gun onto the hardened Rangers was a recipe for success. As the toughness has faded into history, the run and gun gets harder to operate as teams just fearlessly mash the Rangers and the Rangers do not return the favor. The lack of finishing checks is a huge flaw and that is all on AV.
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| Alain Vigneault said on Wednesday that tonight's game against the Isles is the Rangers "biggest game of the year so far" and that after some poor performances against the Islanders, the Rangers are "due to have a real solid 200ft game at both ends."
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| Does this guy think before he speaks. Post Islander gem from gummy.
“””On putting up 50 shots, "there are a couple of areas that we are going to address quickly with our group, areas where we could get better second opportunities if we do a couple of things differently. We will address that with our group and get ready for the next game.””””
The trade deadline looming and he hasn’t discussed offensive rebounds yet? Suprise. |
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Location: Czech Republic | Rranger - 2018-02-16 6:29 AM
Does this guy think before he speaks. Post Islander gem from gummy.
“””On putting up 50 shots, "there are a couple of areas that we are going to address quickly with our group, areas where we could get better second opportunities if we do a couple of things differently. We will address that with our group and get ready for the next game.””””
The trade deadline looming and he hasn’t discussed offensive rebounds yet? Suprise.
I'm starting to believe he's on crack.
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| DaTeL - 2018-02-15 9:54 PM
Rranger - 2018-02-16 6:29 AM
Does this guy think before he speaks. Post Islander gem from gummy.
“””On putting up 50 shots, "there are a couple of areas that we are going to address quickly with our group, areas where we could get better second opportunities if we do a couple of things differently. We will address that with our group and get ready for the next game.””””
The trade deadline looming and he hasn’t discussed offensive rebounds yet? Suprise.
I'm starting to believe he's on crack.
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| Guy has got to go! |
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Location: AV is gone | Site has gremlins again |
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Location: NJ | You waiting for me to post Phoebe Cates bikini pics again! |
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| DaTeL - 2018-02-16 12:54 AM
Rranger - 2018-02-16 6:29 AM
Does this guy think before he speaks. Post Islander gem from gummy.
“””On putting up 50 shots, "there are a couple of areas that we are going to address quickly with our group, areas where we could get better second opportunities if we do a couple of things differently. We will address that with our group and get ready for the next game.””””
The trade deadline looming and he hasn’t discussed offensive rebounds yet? Suprise.
I'm starting to believe he's on crack.
Seriously?????? You trying to give crack addicts a bad rep? |
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| From Brooksy: The Rangers have lost four straight in regulation for the second time in three weeks. The last time an Alain Vigneault team dropped five straight in regulation? That would have been Nov. 10-18 in 2000 over the coach’s final five games behind the Canadiens’ bench.
Let's Go Canadiens!
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Location: IT'S A POWERPLAY GOAL! | id vote for he survives the season and they let him go at years end. Why fire the guy now? They are entering tank mode. Why start to win games now. I'd let the season play out. |
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| Steady Eddie - 2018-02-21 2:50 PM
From Brooksy: The Rangers have lost four straight in regulation for the second time in three weeks. The last time an Alain Vigneault team dropped five straight in regulation? That would have been Nov. 10-18 in 2000 over the coach’s final five games behind the Canadiens’ bench.
Let's Go Canadiens!
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| Ranjaz023 - 2018-02-21 3:05 PM
id vote for he survives the season and they let him go at years end. Why fire the guy now? They are entering tank mode. Why start to win games now. I'd let the season play out.
At the beginning of the last purge in 2004, Sather brought in Tom Renney on 2/24. Renney went 5-11-4. |
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Location: USA | Whom ever we play against let them win. |
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Location: NJ | I'm really beginning to wonder does he 'coach' OR he just tells them to go out & play & just do your thing...?
Edited by LeetchyMrRanger 2018-03-08 6:40 PM
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Location: USA | AV is the perfect coach for the rest of the tank job. |
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Location: NJ | That's what I said also, there is no reason to change the coach now, season over. |
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Location: #FireAV | There's no point to change coaches NOW because the season is done. But they had a chance I thought with about 30 games left to fire AV and make a run for a playoff spot. The front office clearly wanted to write off this season and start a rebuild as early as the All-Star break.
My only anxiety about AV not being fired now is that I really am afraid that they will keep his gum-chewing dumb ass for next season. If he's not fired within 48 hours of the regular season ending I'm gonna need Mike Tyson-levels of Zoloft to stay calm. |
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| LeetchyMrRanger - 2018-03-08 8:39 PM
I'm really beginning to wonder does he 'coach' OR he just tells them to go out & play & just do your thing...? I can't believe they'd be this bad if they were doing their thing. |
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| Mjolnir - 2018-03-09 8:45 AM
LeetchyMrRanger - 2018-03-08 8:39 PM
I'm really beginning to wonder does he 'coach' OR he just tells them to go out & play & just do your thing...? I can't believe they'd be this bad if they were doing their thing.
Any coach with half a brain would know with this many new players, simplify the defensive zone coverages and breakouts, which means using the wall, something his teams flat out can’t and don’t do. Put the pucks into safe places, and here’s a novel thought for chewy, in places where a teammate can get to it first before a opposition player does. It’s a joke has been and will be as long as chewy is in the organization. |
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Location: USA | PV29 - 2018-03-09 10:00 AM
There's no point to change coaches NOW because the season is done. But they had a chance I thought with about 30 games left to fire AV and make a run for a playoff spot. The front office clearly wanted to write off this season and start a rebuild as early as the All-Star break.
My only anxiety about AV not being fired now is that I really am afraid that they will keep his gum-chewing dumb ass for next season. If he's not fired within 48 hours of the regular season ending I'm gonna need Mike Tyson-levels of Zoloft to stay calm.
The only reasons I can see to get rid of AV now is
1) Send a symbolic message that the old regime is over and there's a new sheriff in town
2) Have someone work with the kids that are promoted, and likely to get jobs next year, so they can use the rest of this year as a transition to next year.
This only works though if you sit McLeod and Holland at the expense of player development, and bring in Letterri and Nieves and whichever other kids have a shot at the roster next season. They've shown no indication of wanting to do that because I still see O'Gara Holland McLeod, etc out there.
So just keep AV for the rest of the season I guess and waste the 20 games you have left. Might as well, it's the AV way.
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Location: AV is gone | The most important thing for the rest of the season is to finish as low as possible...thats it |
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| Any coach at the NHL level has to be able to recognize and maximize talent. Eric Staal was brought here at a expensive price. Chewy sized him up as a third liner and stuck him with Stalberg and Lindbergh for the majority of his time here. And he got nothing out of him. Some blame on Staal to, probably. But Boudreau gives him some decent linemates in Minnesota and a important role and 37 goals later, and Staal is on the edge of the Hart trophy conversation. Fire chewys ass. |
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| Rranger - 2018-03-10 8:32 AM
Any coach at the NHL level has to be able to recognize and maximize talent. Eric Staal was brought here at a expensive price. Chewy sized him up as a third liner and stuck him with Stalberg and Lindbergh for the majority of his time here. And he got nothing out of him. Some blame on Staal to, probably. But Boudreau gives him some decent linemates in Minnesota and a important role and 37 goals later, and Staal is on the edge of the Hart trophy conversation. Fire chewys ass.
Not only that. He moved him from center to wing.
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Location: New Jersey | I don't understand how he never made a line of
Nash Staal Miller
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| robstones - 2018-03-10 2:45 PM
I don't understand how he never made a line of
Nash Staal Miller
Would have owned souls, but nooooooo
Nash and Staal go back a long ways on Canada cup teams and best Evers, World Jr’s ect. Had some success together, Staal was easily as good or better than any Ranger forward at the time. Stupid buried him on the third line. That was his “ he’s gotta go “ icing on his coaching blunders, in my mind. |
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Location: New Jersey | Namestnikov-Zibanejad-Fast
Spooner-Hayes-Zuccarello
Vesey-Desharnais-Buchnevich
McLeod-Holland-Carey
Staal-Pionk(Shattenkirk rotating)
O’Gara-Gilmour
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| Interesting article. I don’t think the Rangers defense ever recovered from losing Stralman.
https://thehockeywriters.com/rangers-lightning-management-missteps/ |
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Not signing Stralman was a bad decision. However, the following year, the Rangers did finish first in the conference without him and got to the conference final. They added Klein for a lot less money and added Boyle for too much money, but for less years. At the time, the Rangers had money and years tied up in Girardi and Staal.
Highlighting Cally's toughness, leadership and grit because he has been injured (as expected) is a joke. You do not spend $5.8 million for 6 years to find leadership and grit. The signing of Cally has turned out as expected, lots of injuries leading to little scoring. It is a poor signing.
Girardi was misused by AV, but he still made a boatload of mistakes at important moments. Dropping to the 2nd pair and playing less minutes for TB against lessor lines certainly has helped.
The fact is, TB is loaded with talent that does not exist on the Rangers. None of these former Rangers has to be "The Man". They are all playing less important roles on TB. The same is true with MCD and Miller. MCD on second pair playing less than 20 minutes and Miller having zero pressure to produce due to TB scoring talent will make both guys better players. Miller might be a bigger loss than McD, but he was still making at least 1 or 2 x ice passes to the other team right up to the last game he played as a Ranger. AV effed with the guy, but we all saw bone head plays by miller every night. If Cally had Miller's size and physical talent, he would still be the Rangers captain.
Ultimately, TB has not done much better than the Rangers over the last 5 years. Maybe this is the year.
AV still needs to go.
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| x10003q - 2018-03-12 7:26 AM
Not signing Stralman was a bad decision. However, the following year, the Rangers did finish first in the conference without him and got to the conference final. They added Klein for a lot less money and added Boyle for too much money, but for less years. At the time, the Rangers had money and years tied up in Girardi and Staal.
Highlighting Cally's toughness, leadership and grit because he has been injured (as expected ) is a joke. You do not spend $5.8 million for 6 years to find leadership and grit. The signing of Cally has turned out as expected, lots of injuries leading to little scoring. It is a poor signing.
Girardi was misused by AV, but he still made a boatload of mistakes at important moments. Dropping to the 2nd pair and playing less minutes for TB against lessor lines certainly has helped.
The fact is, TB is loaded with talent that does not exist on the Rangers. None of these former Rangers has to be "The Man". They are all playing less important roles on TB. The same is true with MCD and Miller. MCD on second pair playing less than 20 minutes and Miller having zero pressure to produce due to TB scoring talent will make both guys better players. Miller might be a bigger loss than McD, but he was still making at least 1 or 2 x ice passes to the other team right up to the last game he played as a Ranger. AV effed with the guy, but we all saw bone head plays by miller every night. If Cally had Miller's size and physical talent, he would still be the Rangers captain.
Ultimately, TB has not done much better than the Rangers over the last 5 years. Maybe this is the year.
AV still needs to go.
At the time of Stralman walking he and Girardi were both up to renew contracts. So it wasn't a case of the Rangers being committed to Girardi and Staal already, Staal re-upped the following year. Stralman was MacD right handed partner already, and the Rangers have spent 5 years stupidly trying to replace him, the majority of which Girardi his partner was constantly criticized. Stralman at $4,5 mill was the same cost as Boyle who was basically a third pair guy for the genius coach, and in fairness to the coach most nights looked like a third pair guy.. Which was a brilliant move to replace a first pair guy Stralman with a third pair guy Boyle for the same money. Thats not how smart teams get better. They already had Klein who also went to the finals with the Rangers. They should have also kept Stralman, and not been out a nickel more, including Girardi's new contract. The only difference being Stralmans 5 year contract compared to Boyles 2 years. They did go to the conference finals the following year and lost with out Stralman, but they went to the Stanley Cup finals the year before with Stralman. Losing Stralman and replacing him with Boyle was about as stupid as it gets. They have never replaced Stralman. I'm also pretty confident chewys mitts were all over the Boyle over Stralman choice.
My point is about Stralman, I don't dispute some of what you say about Callahan, Miller and Girardi, none of who's loss comes close to the loss of Stralman.
Edited by Rranger 2018-03-12 9:36 AM
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Location: AV is gone | Stralman leaving, Staal Girardi,Richards, Boyle contracts and Callahan, Hagelin, Yandle and maybe Nash all bad moves |
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Location: AV is gone | If you are going to trade Callahan.....you dont move him AND 2 #1's for a 38 year old player ....period |
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