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The AV Watch - Poll
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0 - 5 Games Under .5001 Votes - [1.92%]
6 - 10 Games Under .50018 Votes - [34.62%]
11 - 15 Games Under .5006 Votes - [11.54%]
16 - 20 Games Under .5001 Votes - [1.92%]
21 - 25 Games Under .5003 Votes - [5.77%]
Arniel and/or Ruff become the scapegoats, not AV1 Votes - [1.92%]
Gorton becomes the scapegoat, not AV3 Votes - [5.77%]
Rangers turn it around. All hands safe.19 Votes - [36.54%]
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Rranger
Posted 2018-03-12 11:00 AM (#700371 - in reply to #700368)
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Mikey Red - 2018-03-12 9:35 AM

If you are going to trade Callahan.....you dont move him AND 2 #1's for a 38 year old player ....period




I won’t argue that one, it was a over payment for St. Louis the second first round pick in particular. Although $5,800,000 is a lot of coin for Callahan in Tampa considering his production and third line or even at times fourth line status.
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Posted 2018-03-12 11:18 AM (#700372 - in reply to #683557)
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Alain Vigneault is taking things one day at a time right now

9:50AM

https://www.sny.tv/rangers/news/alain-vigneault-is-taking-things-one...

Adam Rotter; If Vigneault is not the coach of the Rangers next season I could see Todd McLellan or Bill Peters, if they both lose their jobs, being contenders.
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Mikey Red
Posted 2018-03-12 11:27 AM (#700374 - in reply to #700372)
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RANGERNUT - 2018-03-12 1:18 PM

Alain Vigneault is taking things one day at a time right now

9:50AM

https://www.sny.tv/rangers/news/alain-vigneault-is-taking-things-one...

Adam Rotter; If Vigneault is not the coach of the Rangers next season I could see Todd McLellan or Bill Peters, if they both lose their jobs, being contenders.
Hopefully he is taking packing his sh!t one day at a time....How do you fire McClellan when Chiarelli gave away, Hall, Eberle, Barzal and signed Lucic to that horrendous contract?
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Posted 2018-03-12 11:58 AM (#700375 - in reply to #700366)
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Rranger - 2018-03-12 12:36 AM

Interesting article. I don’t think the Rangers defense ever recovered from losing Stralman.

https://thehockeywriters.com/rangers-lightning-management-missteps/


Not signing Stralman was a bad decision. However, the following year, the Rangers did finish first in the conference without him and got to the conference final. They added Klein for a lot less money and added Boyle for too much money, but for less years. At the time, the Rangers had money and years tied up in Girardi and Staal.

Highlighting Cally's toughness, leadership and grit because he has been injured (as expected) is a joke. You do not spend $5.8 million for 6 years to find leadership and grit. The signing of Cally has turned out as expected, lots of injuries leading to little scoring. It is a poor signing.

Girardi was misused by AV, but he still made a boatload of mistakes at important moments. Dropping to the 2nd pair and playing less minutes for TB against lessor lines certainly has helped.

The fact is, TB is loaded with talent that does not exist on the Rangers. None of these former Rangers has to be "The Man". They are all playing less important roles on TB. The same is true with MCD and Miller. MCD on second pair playing less than 20 minutes and Miller having zero pressure to produce due to TB scoring talent will make both guys better players. Miller might be a bigger loss than McD, but he was still making at least 1 or 2 x ice passes to the other team right up to the last game he played as a Ranger. AV effed with the guy, but we all saw bone head plays by miller every night. If Cally had Miller's size and physical talent, he would still be the Rangers captain.

Ultimately, TB has not done much better than the Rangers over the last 5 years. Maybe this is the year.

AV still needs to go.









At the time of Stralman walking he and Girardi were both up to renew contracts. So it wasn't a case of the Rangers being committed to Girardi and Staal already, Staal re-upped the following year. Stralman was MacD right handed partner already, and the Rangers have spent 5 years stupidly trying to replace him, the majority of which Girardi his partner was constantly criticized. Stralman at $4,5 mill was the same cost as Boyle who was basically a third pair guy for the genius coach, and in fairness to the coach most nights looked like a third pair guy.. Which was a brilliant move to replace a first pair guy Stralman with a third pair guy Boyle for the same money. Thats not how smart teams get better. They already had Klein who also went to the finals with the Rangers. They should have also kept Stralman, and not been out a nickel more, including Girardi's new contract. The only difference being Stralmans 5 year contract compared to Boyles 2 years. They did go to the conference finals the following year and lost with out Stralman, but they went to the Stanley Cup finals the year before with Stralman. Losing Stralman and replacing him with Boyle was about as stupid as it gets. They have never replaced Stralman. I'm also pretty confident chewys mitts were all over the Boyle over Stralman choice.

My point is about Stralman, I don't dispute some of what you say about Callahan, Miller and Girardi, none of who's loss comes close to the loss of Stralman.


Thanks for the better and accurate Stralman events. I still think they should of signed Stralman.
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Posted 2018-03-12 12:30 PM (#700376 - in reply to #700374)
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Mikey Red - 2018-03-12 10:27 AM

RANGERNUT - 2018-03-12 1:18 PM

Alain Vigneault is taking things one day at a time right now

9:50AM

https://www.sny.tv/rangers/news/alain-vigneault-is-taking-things-one...

Adam Rotter; If Vigneault is not the coach of the Rangers next season I could see Todd McLellan or Bill Peters, if they both lose their jobs, being contenders.
Hopefully he is taking packing his sh!t one day at a time....How do you fire McClellan when Chiarelli gave away, Hall, Eberle, Barzal and signed Lucic to that horrendous contract?



Imo the Rangers would be silly to hire McLellan who has one AHL championship to his credit. And a whole lot of early playoff exits. Peters did work with Babcock for three years as a assistant in Detroit but also only has one WHL championship on his resume. Winners begat winning, they have been there. I think it’s also very relevant the winning was recently. It’s no secret the Rangers hadn’t had their **** together til Torts arrived. His impact was immediate, and but for a few more horses that were lacking who knows.
I’d rather see the Rangers take on a proven winner at the AHL, College or Junior hockey level coach, hopefully with some NHL playing experience, on the Junior hockey coaches resume. A college coach and AHL coach would have experience dealing with the older players. But no retreads unless they have won.
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Posted 2018-03-12 12:35 PM (#700377 - in reply to #700367)
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Mikey Red - 2018-03-12 12:32 PM

Stralman leaving, Staal Girardi,Richards, Boyle contracts and Callahan, Hagelin, Yandle and maybe Nash all bad moves
No maybe about Nash....
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Mikey Red
Posted 2018-03-12 1:43 PM (#700379 - in reply to #700377)
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Mikey Red - 2018-03-12 12:32 PM

Stralman leaving, Staal Girardi,Richards, Boyle contracts and Callahan, Hagelin, Yandle and maybe Nash all bad moves
No maybe about Nash....

Hahaha.... after all said in done we lost that trade too....Hopefully flipping him pans out
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Posted 2018-03-12 1:44 PM (#700380 - in reply to #700376)
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Rranger - 2018-03-12 2:30 PM

Mikey Red - 2018-03-12 10:27 AM

RANGERNUT - 2018-03-12 1:18 PM

Alain Vigneault is taking things one day at a time right now

9:50AM

https://www.sny.tv/rangers/news/alain-vigneault-is-taking-things-one...

Adam Rotter; If Vigneault is not the coach of the Rangers next season I could see Todd McLellan or Bill Peters, if they both lose their jobs, being contenders.
Hopefully he is taking packing his sh!t one day at a time....How do you fire McClellan when Chiarelli gave away, Hall, Eberle, Barzal and signed Lucic to that horrendous contract?



Imo the Rangers would be silly to hire McLellan who has one AHL championship to his credit. And a whole lot of early playoff exits. Peters did work with Babcock for three years as a assistant in Detroit but also only has one WHL championship on his resume. Winners begat winning, they have been there. I think it’s also very relevant the winning was recently. It’s no secret the Rangers hadn’t had their **** together til Torts arrived. His impact was immediate, and but for a few more horses that were lacking who knows.
I’d rather see the Rangers take on a proven winner at the AHL, College or Junior hockey level coach, hopefully with some NHL playing experience, on the Junior hockey coaches resume. A college coach and AHL coach would have experience dealing with the older players. But no retreads unless they have won.

Yep....Maybe Blue can coach?
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Rranger
Posted 2018-03-12 1:49 PM (#700381 - in reply to #683557)
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Yes Blue can do it.
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Posted 2018-03-14 5:32 AM (#700561 - in reply to #683557)
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I am so afraid that AV is going to get a pass for this season....
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Posted 2018-03-14 7:00 AM (#700562 - in reply to #700561)
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Rangerjunkie - 2018-03-14 7:32 AM

I am so afraid that AV is going to get a pass for this season....
I've had that feeling for a while now.
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Posted 2018-03-14 12:02 PM (#700583 - in reply to #683557)
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It would surprise me.
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Posted 2018-03-14 2:22 PM (#700588 - in reply to #700583)
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LeetchyMrRanger - 2018-03-14 12:02 PM

It would surprise me.


Would surprise if he were fired, or if he were still here??
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Posted 2018-03-14 2:41 PM (#700589 - in reply to #683557)
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I don't think you make the changes that were made & bring back the same coach staff. It doesn't make sense to me. Still, not 1 player is playing to their potential or over achieving. It is still the goalie against the other team for the most part. It would surprise me if he & the others come back.

Edited by LeetchyMrRanger 2018-03-14 2:42 PM
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Posted 2018-03-14 2:56 PM (#700590 - in reply to #683557)
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You just made me feel a whole lot better
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Posted 2018-03-14 4:21 PM (#700594 - in reply to #683557)
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This coach will rebuild this franchise .
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Posted 2018-03-15 7:13 AM (#700835 - in reply to #700589)
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LeetchyMrRanger - 2018-03-14 4:41 PM

I don't think you make the changes that were made & bring back the same coach staff. It doesn't make sense to me. Still, not 1 player is playing to their potential or over achieving. It is still the goalie against the other team for the most part. It would surprise me if he & the others come back.


As long as Sather is still in the mix, I'm not not taking anything for granted -- I'll believe it when it happens.
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Posted 2018-03-15 7:59 AM (#700844 - in reply to #700589)
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LeetchyMrRanger - 2018-03-14 4:41 PM

I don't think you make the changes that were made & bring back the same coach staff. It doesn't make sense to me. Still, not 1 player is playing to their potential or over achieving. It is still the goalie against the other team for the most part. It would surprise me if he & the others come back.


It doesn't send a good message to the players returning, that's for sure...

Hey yeah guys, we went into the season landing the biggest free agent in the Summer.... and then we sucked..... it's clearly not the coaches fault, so your job isn't safe.... ever..... and we traded Nash, your captain, and leading goal scorer, but don't worry we have rookies..... Now play AVs system that hasn't won a Cup better, or else!

As for the rookies.... watch and learn how to get boo'ed at The Garden. I'm sure the guys from Russia will be SO excited to leave the top team in the KHL to come to that kind of rebuild

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Posted 2018-03-16 9:00 AM (#700880 - in reply to #683557)
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The thought of Vigneault back makes me sick. I never wanted him here to begin with, and after watching him rip apart all the team building blocks put into place by Tortorella, and the subsequent transition into the disorganized fundamentally weak pile of crap they always revert to, for extended periods of time no matter how good a winning roll they might have been on, I am reminded why. . They are the definitive classic example of blowing either hot or cold, with no baseline of consistent effort and execution within Chewy's single pathetic system.
To bring Chewy back and expect a new class of Ranger young players to improve and have any consistency under his coaching, after his attempts in Vancouver and New York would leave you wondering what management watches sitting in their booths.
The only success developmentally I see in his handling of young players is their almost uniform inconsistency. I just hope Management is not fooled by any post trade deadline success, and remember instead the waste of draft picks and assets acquiring pieces, more often than not misused and wasted as the team got worse and worse on his watch. Continue the process, bring in someone like Philly, Jersey, have done that make young players better. Coaches that make it work with what they have, without forcing their goalies to stop 45 out of 46 shots nightly.
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Posted 2018-03-28 2:15 PM (#701917 - in reply to #683557)
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Never prepared to start games hence the awful starts;

Awful defense, blatant blown coverages in their own zone, even when they had an all-veteran backline;

No physical presence at all, especially in their own zone;

Allow their goalie to be abused, run into, knocked down;

Blown leads late in games during the playoffs because they play a prevent defense, beginning with the Kings in '14 and continuing all the way to last year vs. Montreal and Ottawa;

There's more than enough evidence to fire this coach. These things are consistently plaguing this team. And yet, I have this sinking feeling that they will keep him for the remaining year on his contract. It makes me sick to my stomach just thinking about it. Buy stock in bourbon companies if they keep AV for next season, because your ol' pal PV29 is gonna do some HARD drinking during games next season.
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Rranger
Posted 2018-03-29 8:23 AM (#702082 - in reply to #683557)
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Here Jeff and Glen i'm throwing you under the bus while I try to remain shiny. What a dick. Again its never his fault.


“Everyone in the organization wants to win,” Alain Vigneault, whose job behind the bench is in jeopardy after his first playoff miss since 2007 with the Canucks, said prior to the match. “But a tough decision was made and you have to respect it.
“Even though people said we were in a bubble team going in, I don’t believe that. I believe [if not for the decision to rebuild] we would have made it.”



https://nypost.com/2018/03/29/rangers-confronting-this-grim-reality-...
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Posted 2018-03-29 1:28 PM (#702085 - in reply to #683557)
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AV - the Hillary Clinton of hockey. "It's not my fault".
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Posted 2018-03-30 8:48 AM (#702092 - in reply to #702082)
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Rranger - 2018-03-29 9:23 AM

Here Jeff and Glen i'm throwing you under the bus while I try to remain shiny. What a dick. Again its never his fault.


“Everyone in the organization wants to win,” Alain Vigneault, whose job behind the bench is in jeopardy after his first playoff miss since 2007 with the Canucks, said prior to the match. “But a tough decision was made and you have to respect it.
“Even though people said we were in a bubble team going in, I don’t believe that. I believe [if not for the decision to rebuild] we would have made it.”



https://nypost.com/2018/03/29/rangers-confronting-this-grim-reality-...


I gotta say, if I'm management this is the last straw. You don't throw your boss under the bus and expect to survive. I'll go so far as to say, optimistically, that the decision's already been made and both sides are just trying to save face at this point and part ways quietly at the end of the season.

I don't think AV says that if he really thought his job was on the line.



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Posted 2018-03-30 9:07 AM (#702093 - in reply to #702092)
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Rranger - 2018-03-29 9:23 AM

Here Jeff and Glen i'm throwing you under the bus while I try to remain shiny. What a dick. Again its never his fault.


“Everyone in the organization wants to win,” Alain Vigneault, whose job behind the bench is in jeopardy after his first playoff miss since 2007 with the Canucks, said prior to the match. “But a tough decision was made and you have to respect it.
“Even though people said we were in a bubble team going in, I don’t believe that. I believe [if not for the decision to rebuild] we would have made it.”



https://nypost.com/2018/03/29/rangers-confronting-this-grim-reality-...


I gotta say, if I'm management this is the last straw. You don't throw your boss under the bus and expect to survive. I'll go so far as to say, optimistically, that the decision's already been made and both sides are just trying to save face at this point and part ways quietly at the end of the season.

I don't think AV says that if he really thought his job was on the line.





The writing may have been on the wall. That comment makes it sound like he was against the Stepan trade.

I remember Jeff being interviewed during preseason, and him saying AV was "driving him nuts." (While watching preseason games and tape evaluating the team). It was kind of funny at the time, but he could've been serious.

The decision to bring in Lindy Ruff could've been a mutual understanding that AV's job is at risk.... Ruff is AV's pick to succeed him.

Jeff said ok we'll take a look. He's your guy, this is your chance..... and then AV blew it out of the gate..... almost recovered, but Jeff is the man, and doing the right thing. And I think he'll continue to do the right things when the season is up, and through the offseason.

AV is a goner
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Posted 2018-03-30 9:21 AM (#702094 - in reply to #702092)
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Rranger - 2018-03-29 9:23 AM

Here Jeff and Glen i'm throwing you under the bus while I try to remain shiny. What a dick. Again its never his fault.


“Everyone in the organization wants to win,” Alain Vigneault, whose job behind the bench is in jeopardy after his first playoff miss since 2007 with the Canucks, said prior to the match. “But a tough decision was made and you have to respect it.
“Even though people said we were in a bubble team going in, I don’t believe that. I believe [if not for the decision to rebuild] we would have made it.”



https://nypost.com/2018/03/29/rangers-confronting-this-grim-reality-...


I gotta say, if I'm management this is the last straw. You don't throw your boss under the bus and expect to survive. I'll go so far as to say, optimistically, that the decision's already been made and both sides are just trying to save face at this point and part ways quietly at the end of the season.

I don't think AV says that if he really thought his job was on the line.









Hopefully it is chewy trying to build up his cachet for his future job search that he knows is coming.
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Posted 2018-03-30 12:09 PM (#702096 - in reply to #683557)
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He's right, imo. The NYR management threw the team, the coaches and the fans under the bus. Downright despicable.
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Posted 2018-03-30 2:04 PM (#702100 - in reply to #702096)
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naf regnar - 2018-03-30 2:09 PM

He's right, imo. The NYR management threw the team, the coaches and the fans under the bus. Downright despicable.


The team was going nowhere fast and something had to be done...better now than later.

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Posted 2018-03-30 3:27 PM (#702103 - in reply to #702096)
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naf regnar - 2018-03-30 11:09 AM

He's right, imo. The NYR management threw the team, the coaches and the fans under the bus. Downright despicable.





IMO it was the right time to do what they did. They were going nowhere fast with blunderbuss coaching. They also are almost as good as they were before the trading, and a lot younger with some real prospects picked up and some good futures. It won’t take much to get back to the inconsistent going nowhere team they were before the trades.
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Posted 2018-03-30 4:12 PM (#702105 - in reply to #683557)
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It was either sell, or try to make the playoffs.... which they might've done, but then what? Face Tampa in the 1st round? Boston? The Caps if you're lucky?

Then lose Grabs and Nash for nothing? Nah
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Posted 2018-03-31 4:50 AM (#702352 - in reply to #683557)
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AV IS GONE!!! I have said it for over a month now. It's good they kept him so this thread could keep the board alive, but is he GONE. He made similar comments right after the announcement as well. It looked bad then and looks bad now.

And management absolutely made the right choice selling off. They would have slipped in or just missed (13th pick instead of the 10th pick), but we were going nowhere. We would have been torn up in our own zone just like we were against the Pens two years ago. It was the absolute right call to reboot and add future assets rather than look to just slip in and get rolled in round 1. Truth is the only player I fear they will regret dealing is Miller. Time will tell on that though.

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Posted 2018-03-31 6:11 AM (#702356 - in reply to #683557)
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There are ways to do things and there are ways to DO things. IMO, the way that management broadcast their intentions to the world was atrocious. Typical of this ownership.
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Posted 2018-03-31 9:39 AM (#702359 - in reply to #683557)
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I actually think it was great they did it the way they did. Didn't have to make some announcement, but I am fine they did for the fans as much as the players and coaches.


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Posted 2018-03-31 7:52 PM (#702399 - in reply to #683557)
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They wrote us a letter stating the direction of the team, and thanking us in advance for sticking with it... preparing us to be ready to lose anybody.

We lost Miller.... guy was my favorite Ranger....

But anyone could've been part of that deal.... Zuccarello. We don't know what else was on the table. And quite frankly they're not done yet.

I guess they could've just made these trades, but they made it clear they are comitted to an honest rebuild. Don't really understand why that's so atrocious
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Posted 2018-04-01 8:32 PM (#702430 - in reply to #683557)
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Posted 2018-04-02 8:34 AM (#702432 - in reply to #683557)
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Someone stated that the team management " wrote us a letter ". That's nice. Shamefully, they didn't hand deliver it to the fans but instead, announced it to the world out of the blue via the media. Yes, it was an atrocious way to handle it, imo.
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