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Rranger
Posted 2017-10-21 4:46 PM (#684506)
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Puempel had pretty much played his way out of town. Sproul was supposed to be Brendan Smiths replacement in Detroit after he was traded to New York. But he got hurt. Good size a boomer for a shot, and is weak on the defense. Hopefully he can progress in Hartford.
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Posted 2017-10-21 5:00 PM (#684507 - in reply to #684506)
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Posted 2017-10-21 6:51 PM (#684508 - in reply to #684506)
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But we already have an abundance of D in the system..... I smell more moves coming
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concust
Posted 2017-10-21 7:11 PM (#684509 - in reply to #684506)
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I'll take that swap any day of the week, Sproul is still a young D with some upside. Puempel, I think we've seen all that he has to offer. Wingers are much easier to find/acquire than young defensemen. To be honest I'm surprised Sproul didn't cost a bit more.

On the downside, teams don't generally trade away young defenseman on the bubble for fringe NHLers, so Detroit may have given up on him for some reason or another.

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Posted 2017-10-21 7:14 PM (#684510 - in reply to #684506)
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Writeup from September - TL;DR talented defenseman with injury problem last year, his welcome was wearing thin in Detroit.

https://www.wingingitinmotown.com/2017/9/2/16236688/top-25-under-25-...

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Posted 2017-10-21 9:41 PM (#684522 - in reply to #684508)
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robstones - 2017-10-21 8:51 PM

But we already have an abundance of D in the system..... I smell more moves coming


DeAngelo payed only 5:32 minutes against Nashville. AV bails on him and gets a "veteran" defense man. As for more trades, there shouldn't be any untouchables with their play this year. That said, who wants our players when they can't/won;t perform here?
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Mikey Red
Posted 2017-10-21 9:51 PM (#684523 - in reply to #684506)
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As stated above....Perhaps more moves are coming
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Rranger
Posted 2017-10-21 11:42 PM (#684524 - in reply to #684506)
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No big news here 2 teams traded guys they did not want. Either one making the NHL would be unexpected. That being said Sproul is right handed, has some offensive skills, a great shot but needs some defensive work. I don’t know the Hartford coach or his defensive coach, but hopefully they make players better. The kids got some tools and you hope he clicks with the Hartford coaching staff and they can rid him of some of his warts.
He will be 25 in January so his clock is ticking.
Not sure how this impacts moves unless a Pionk or Bereglazov are included in a package.

Edited by Rranger 2017-10-21 11:49 PM
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Posted 2017-10-22 12:37 AM (#684525 - in reply to #684506)
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Gorton is AGAIN, asleep at the wheel.... Riley Sheehan was traded today as well, to Pittsburgh to be their 3rd line center (hmmmm..... I can think of a team needing a center).....
Dumbass move for another guy who will walk for nothing .
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itsmcilrathtime
Posted 2017-10-22 3:29 AM (#684526 - in reply to #684506)
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Sheahan has regressed every year as a pro. However, role players seem to do well on this Pitt team. I don't think that is the center the Rangers need. Especially at the cost of a decent role player like Pitt gave up and a third round pick. No thanks. Rangers have a boat load of defenseman and defenseman prospects. If they trade for a center it won't be at the cost of a NHL role player and a 3rd round pick. As far as Sproul. I've said for weeks that DeAngelo needs to go to Hartford and be converted to wing where he can learn that position. I think he can be a good NHL forward.
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Mikey Red
Posted 2017-10-22 7:32 AM (#684527 - in reply to #684526)
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Gorton get to work...Tell Sather to get out of the office
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concust
Posted 2017-10-23 9:34 AM (#684542 - in reply to #684526)
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itsmcilrathtime - 2017-10-22 4:29 AM

Sheahan has regressed every year as a pro. However, role players seem to do well on this Pitt team. I don't think that is the center the Rangers need. Especially at the cost of a decent role player like Pitt gave up and a third round pick. No thanks. Rangers have a boat load of defenseman and defenseman prospects. If they trade for a center it won't be at the cost of a NHL role player and a 3rd round pick. As far as Sproul. I've said for weeks that DeAngelo needs to go to Hartford and be converted to wing where he can learn that position. I think he can be a good NHL forward.


Sheahan is not a scoring winger. As his career has progressed he's been put in more defensive roles, which is where he excels anyway. He's a solid bottom 6 responsible center that isn't going to make anyone's fantasy team but his value isn't in point production. Good deal for Pittsburgh. I don't think he'd solve the Rangers' issue but he certainly helps the Penguins by giving them a solid defensive center which should allow Crosby/Malkin to be used in more offensive situations.
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Rangerjunkie
Posted 2017-10-23 11:39 AM (#684548 - in reply to #684542)
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concust - 2017-10-23 9:34 AM

itsmcilrathtime - 2017-10-22 4:29 AM

Sheahan has regressed every year as a pro. However, role players seem to do well on this Pitt team. I don't think that is the center the Rangers need. Especially at the cost of a decent role player like Pitt gave up and a third round pick. No thanks. Rangers have a boat load of defenseman and defenseman prospects. If they trade for a center it won't be at the cost of a NHL role player and a 3rd round pick. As far as Sproul. I've said for weeks that DeAngelo needs to go to Hartford and be converted to wing where he can learn that position. I think he can be a good NHL forward.


Sheahan is not a scoring winger. As his career has progressed he's been put in more defensive roles, which is where he excels anyway. He's a solid bottom 6 responsible center that isn't going to make anyone's fantasy team but his value isn't in point production. Good deal for Pittsburgh. I don't think he'd solve the Rangers' issue but he certainly helps the Penguins by giving them a solid defensive center which should allow Crosby/Malkin to be used in more offensive situations.


He was a -29 last year...Doesnt sound that defensively responsible to me..
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Posted 2017-10-23 1:21 PM (#684553 - in reply to #684548)
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Rangerjunkie - 2017-10-23 1:39 PM

concust - 2017-10-23 9:34 AM

itsmcilrathtime - 2017-10-22 4:29 AM

Sheahan has regressed every year as a pro. However, role players seem to do well on this Pitt team. I don't think that is the center the Rangers need. Especially at the cost of a decent role player like Pitt gave up and a third round pick. No thanks. Rangers have a boat load of defenseman and defenseman prospects. If they trade for a center it won't be at the cost of a NHL role player and a 3rd round pick. As far as Sproul. I've said for weeks that DeAngelo needs to go to Hartford and be converted to wing where he can learn that position. I think he can be a good NHL forward.


Sheahan is not a scoring winger. As his career has progressed he's been put in more defensive roles, which is where he excels anyway. He's a solid bottom 6 responsible center that isn't going to make anyone's fantasy team but his value isn't in point production. Good deal for Pittsburgh. I don't think he'd solve the Rangers' issue but he certainly helps the Penguins by giving them a solid defensive center which should allow Crosby/Malkin to be used in more offensive situations.


He was a -29 last year...Doesnt sound that defensively responsible to me..
Marek Malik was a +30...He can't be much worse at -29.

Edited by Mjolnir 2017-10-23 1:25 PM
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concust
Posted 2017-10-23 3:31 PM (#684555 - in reply to #684548)
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Rangerjunkie - 2017-10-23 12:39 PM

concust - 2017-10-23 9:34 AM

itsmcilrathtime - 2017-10-22 4:29 AM

Sheahan has regressed every year as a pro. However, role players seem to do well on this Pitt team. I don't think that is the center the Rangers need. Especially at the cost of a decent role player like Pitt gave up and a third round pick. No thanks. Rangers have a boat load of defenseman and defenseman prospects. If they trade for a center it won't be at the cost of a NHL role player and a 3rd round pick. As far as Sproul. I've said for weeks that DeAngelo needs to go to Hartford and be converted to wing where he can learn that position. I think he can be a good NHL forward.


Sheahan is not a scoring winger. As his career has progressed he's been put in more defensive roles, which is where he excels anyway. He's a solid bottom 6 responsible center that isn't going to make anyone's fantasy team but his value isn't in point production. Good deal for Pittsburgh. I don't think he'd solve the Rangers' issue but he certainly helps the Penguins by giving them a solid defensive center which should allow Crosby/Malkin to be used in more offensive situations.


He was a -29 last year...Doesnt sound that defensively responsible to me..


If you use +/- as a proxy for defensively responsible this conversation is over.

Brian Leetch was a -36... he must not be defensively responsible either.

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Rangerjunkie
Posted 2017-10-23 5:10 PM (#684566 - in reply to #684506)
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Brian Leetch was a minus 36 one season.

Was a +25 for his career. If Sheehan finishes a +25 this year, ill agree with you that he's defensively responsible.
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Rangerjunkie
Posted 2017-10-23 5:22 PM (#684588 - in reply to #684506)
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That season the Rangers only won 25 games. I'm sure no one had a good +/- that season
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concust
Posted 2017-10-24 8:30 AM (#684858 - in reply to #684588)
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Rangerjunkie - 2017-10-23 6:22 PM

That season the Rangers only won 25 games. I'm sure no one had a good +/- that season


Haha why don't you look up how many regulation + OT wins detroit had last season.

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Rangerjunkie
Posted 2017-10-24 5:09 PM (#684906 - in reply to #684506)
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They won 33 last year
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concust
Posted 2017-10-24 5:31 PM (#684909 - in reply to #684506)
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Yep, 33 wins, now subtract 9 shootout wins that would have been ties back in Leetch's day...24 wins!

Regardless +/- is an impossibly flawed stat that cannot be reliably judged for "defensive prowess". If measuring defensive ability is something you're interested in there are a ton of advanced statistics that can break it down much better.

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Rangerjunkie
Posted 2017-10-24 6:28 PM (#684916 - in reply to #684909)
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concust - 2017-10-24 5:31 PM

Yep, 33 wins, now subtract 9 shootout wins that would have been ties back in Leetch's day...24 wins!

Regardless +/- is an impossibly flawed stat that cannot be reliably judged for "defensive prowess". If measuring defensive ability is something you're interested in there are a ton of advanced statistics that can break it down much better.



I'll agree with you on this!!

Face offs however.......

Edited by Rangerjunkie 2017-10-24 6:44 PM
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