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Mikey Red
Posted 2017-11-01 4:10 PM (#685929 - in reply to #685928)
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rjpny75 - 2017-11-01 3:44 PM

Fast is not the problem. Scoring is not the problem. Defense is the problem. They should just make Shatty a winger on the 3rd or 4th line. Trade Kreider for a solid defensemen. Keep Shatty running the PP.

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Zucc-Hayes-Miller
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Skjei-UPGRADE
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I like what you did there
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Mjolnir
Posted 2017-11-01 6:01 PM (#685930 - in reply to #685928)
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rjpny75 - 2017-11-01 5:44 PM

Fast is not the problem. Scoring is not the problem. Defense is the problem. They should just make Shatty a winger on the 3rd or 4th line. Trade Kreider for a solid defensemen. Keep Shatty running the PP.

Nash-Zib-Buch
Zucc-Hayes-Miller
Vesey-Desh-Shatty
Grab-Boo-Fast

MdD-Smith
Skjei-UPGRADE
Staal-Kampfer/Holden


Defense is only a problem because AV continues to prefer the helter skelter method of defense whereby they try to chase the puck rather than play the man or even a zone. Style does not fit the style of players like Staal or Smith.
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Beezer34
Posted 2017-11-01 6:54 PM (#685931 - in reply to #684939)
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It is sounding like Galchenyuk, Pacioretty and Shaw for a Kreider Zuccerello and Fast deal not sure if those are all the parts ... and not sure a 3 for 3... or how it works... but those are the names I ma hearing more and more of... (Personally I would rather keep Kreider for size and speed and willingness to ACTUALLY go to the net and throw in Skeji instead or better yet shattenkirk... I think he is a solid on the PP and offense.. but need a guy to play D... shattenkirk for webber maybe?)
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Rranger
Posted 2017-11-01 6:56 PM (#685932 - in reply to #684939)
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There are to many players underachieving to start trading them. It’s obvious as can be the coaches clock has run out. Get it over with. If there is not a suitable guy out there try Ruff on a deal to the end of the year.
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Mikey Red
Posted 2017-11-01 7:02 PM (#685934 - in reply to #685931)
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Beezer34 - 2017-11-01 6:54 PM

It is sounding like Galchenyuk, Pacioretty and Shaw for a Kreider Zuccerello and Fast deal not sure if those are all the parts ... and not sure a 3 for 3... or how it works... but those are the names I ma hearing more and more of... (Personally I would rather keep Kreider for size and speed and willingness to ACTUALLY go to the net and throw in Skeji instead or better yet shattenkirk... I think he is a solid on the PP and offense.. but need a guy to play D... shattenkirk for webber maybe?)

I would do that deal...and flip Max later...Weber contract untradeable...He gets almost 8 mil per for the next 6 years
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Mikey Red
Posted 2017-11-01 7:45 PM (#685935 - in reply to #684939)
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I won't miss the Zucc riccochet pass that he immediately sends back to the guy coming down on an odd man rush
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Posted 2017-11-02 8:33 AM (#685944 - in reply to #685931)
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Beezer34 - 2017-11-01 6:54 PM

It is sounding like Galchenyuk, Pacioretty and Shaw for a Kreider Zuccerello and Fast deal not sure if those are all the parts ... and not sure a 3 for 3... or how it works... but those are the names I ma hearing more and more of... (Personally I would rather keep Kreider for size and speed and willingness to ACTUALLY go to the net and throw in Skeji instead or better yet shattenkirk... I think he is a solid on the PP and offense.. but need a guy to play D... shattenkirk for webber maybe?)


According to Brooks both Kreider and J.T. Miller are NOT on the table
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robstones
Posted 2017-11-02 8:49 AM (#685946 - in reply to #684939)
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Every name mentioned is complete speculation. We could have been scouting Ottawa for all anyone knows...

Galchenyuk is the likely candidate because he is being buried on the 4th line, and has been rumored since last year.

Shaw... I'm not sure where they heard that one, but it's speculated because of what he brings to the table.

Max Pacioretty, like JVR, Shattenkirk, and I'm sure others.... will always be linked to The Rangers as a possible destination because they grew up Rangers fans.

But it's all rumors.

I read one that has Pacioretty and Weber for McDonagh and Kreider
+ sweeteners to get it done.... rumors. Beat writters playing fantasy hockey
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Mikey Red
Posted 2017-11-02 9:10 AM (#685947 - in reply to #684939)
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Would you believe Kreider makes more than Max? You def have to move Mac but in that deal we would be taking on 3 mil in cap...You would have to send them Smitty and call up the Gay basher
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Rranger
Posted 2017-11-02 11:02 AM (#685950 - in reply to #684939)
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Weber is about as far away from a double mint tinker bell as you can get. Way to physical, way to defensive, and I heard he drops the f bomb once in awhile, and no picks on the toes of his skates, nope no way chewy wants him contaminating his flock.
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Mikey Red
Posted 2017-11-02 11:07 AM (#685951 - in reply to #684939)
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PV29
Posted 2017-11-02 2:47 PM (#685966 - in reply to #685926)
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itsmcilrathtime - 2017-11-01 5:32 PM

Rangers don't have enough players like Fast. If we had 3 players like Fast on our 4th line, one on our 3rd, and one on our second line, we wouldn't be giving up 4 to 5 f'n goals each game.

Maybe. The Rangers would also not score a ****ing goal more than once every 10 games.
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Posted 2017-11-02 2:49 PM (#685967 - in reply to #685927)
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itsmcilrathtime - 2017-11-01 5:32 PM

Amazing that some of our special needs fans still don't get how much Fast brings to this team.

What can the Rangers get for him straight up, genius? Let us challenged fans know how valuable he is across the league. Or maybe it's just you and Joe M. who think he's "special".
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sureshore
Posted 2017-11-02 3:26 PM (#685969 - in reply to #685967)
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PV29 - 2017-11-02 4:49 PM

itsmcilrathtime - 2017-11-01 5:32 PM

Amazing that some of our special needs fans still don't get how much Fast brings to this team.

What can the Rangers get for him straight up, genius? Let us challenged fans know how valuable he is across the league. Or maybe it's just you and Joe M. who think he's "special".


PV - I will say this about Fast and I remember you also mentioning it last year. When the rest of the Rangers were mediocre at best during the playoffs, Fast was one of their best players, even chipping in with a few points along the way.
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Rranger
Posted 2017-11-02 3:55 PM (#685970 - in reply to #685969)
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sureshore - 2017-11-02 2:26 PM

PV29 - 2017-11-02 4:49 PM

itsmcilrathtime - 2017-11-01 5:32 PM

Amazing that some of our special needs fans still don't get how much Fast brings to this team.

What can the Rangers get for him straight up, genius? Let us challenged fans know how valuable he is across the league. Or maybe it's just you and Joe M. who think he's "special".


PV - I will say this about Fast and I remember you also mentioning it last year. When the rest of the Rangers were mediocre at best during the playoffs, Fast was one of their best players, even chipping in with a few points along the way.






Fast was not good last season. He always looks busy as hell but often is accomplishing little. He had a better playoff. In a fourth line role he’s ok. For a guy who in some eyes is so good, I don’t think I’ve heard his name in one trade rumour. Take all the fourth liners in the league, put them on a list and Fast belongs on it.
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Posted 2017-11-02 8:01 PM (#686212 - in reply to #685969)
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sureshore - 2017-11-02 5:26 PM

PV29 - 2017-11-02 4:49 PM

itsmcilrathtime - 2017-11-01 5:32 PM

Amazing that some of our special needs fans still don't get how much Fast brings to this team.

What can the Rangers get for him straight up, genius? Let us challenged fans know how valuable he is across the league. Or maybe it's just you and Joe M. who think he's "special".


PV - I will say this about Fast and I remember you also mentioning it last year. When the rest of the Rangers were mediocre at best during the playoffs, Fast was one of their best players, even chipping in with a few points along the way.

True. I don’t try to change facts. I also said to trade him right then. Trade high.

When Fast is on your second line ........ your team sucks.
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sureshore
Posted 2017-11-03 6:31 AM (#686324 - in reply to #686212)
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PV29 - 2017-11-02 10:01 PM

sureshore - 2017-11-02 5:26 PM

PV29 - 2017-11-02 4:49 PM

itsmcilrathtime - 2017-11-01 5:32 PM

Amazing that some of our special needs fans still don't get how much Fast brings to this team.

What can the Rangers get for him straight up, genius? Let us challenged fans know how valuable he is across the league. Or maybe it's just you and Joe M. who think he's "special".


PV - I will say this about Fast and I remember you also mentioning it last year. When the rest of the Rangers were mediocre at best during the playoffs, Fast was one of their best players, even chipping in with a few points along the way.

True. I don’t try to change facts. I also said to trade him right then. Trade high.

When Fast is on your second line ........ your team sucks.


You'll get no argument from me - Fast is a 4th liner and nothing more, so to me it's not on Fast but on AV for how he utilizes him
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Gravey09
Posted 2017-11-03 7:15 AM (#686325 - in reply to #685930)
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Mjolnir - 2017-11-01 6:01 PM

rjpny75 - 2017-11-01 5:44 PM

Fast is not the problem. Scoring is not the problem. Defense is the problem. They should just make Shatty a winger on the 3rd or 4th line. Trade Kreider for a solid defensemen. Keep Shatty running the PP.

Nash-Zib-Buch
Zucc-Hayes-Miller
Vesey-Desh-Shatty
Grab-Boo-Fast

MdD-Smith
Skjei-UPGRADE
Staal-Kampfer/Holden


Defense is only a problem because AV continues to prefer the helter skelter method of defense whereby they try to chase the puck rather than play the man or even a zone. Style does not fit the style of players like Staal or Smith.


Agree the AV's defensive scheme is a problem. There just does not seem to be a plan B or C same stuff all the time. In the beginning of AV's reign they seemed to play with some structure and when they won the puck there was an outlet. Now it is bang and kick the puck until it hopefully crosses the blue line then go from there. Positional hockey is always faster and productive than the scramble. torts had structure but it was the circle the wagons firing squad approach....




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Mjolnir
Posted 2017-11-03 8:45 AM (#686334 - in reply to #686325)
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Gravey09 - 2017-11-03 9:15 AM

In the beginning of AV's reign they seemed to play with some structure and when they won the puck there was an outlet. Now it is bang and kick the puck until it hopefully crosses the blue line then go from there. Positional hockey is always faster and productive than the scramble. torts had structure but it was the circle the wagons firing squad approach....




That's because AV hadn't begun deprogramming them from Torts' defensive scheme.
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