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sk4life40
Posted 2017-11-05 6:46 AM (#686601 - in reply to #686594)
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Mikey Red - 2017-11-04 9:42 PM

Im sick of the media and most fans never holding him accountable


Why? because they're not over emotion fish, cry babies, 3rd grade simpletons ! Who simply blame everything on the goalie, when there's obviously more depth to why a goal is scored.



Yes the defense was to blame for the bad angle ahl side snipe on the precious queen.








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Mikey Red
Posted 2017-11-05 6:48 AM (#686603 - in reply to #686594)
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Andy Bathgate - 2017-11-04 11:53 PM

Mikey Red - 2017-11-04 9:42 PM

Im sick of the media and most fans never holding him accountable


Why? because they're not over emotion fish, cry babies, 3rd grade simpletons ! Who simply blame everything on the goalie, when there's obviously more depth to why a goal is scored.
No its because as great as he is...he is also very well accomplished in giving up choke job goals













No its because as great as he is...he is also very well accomplished in giving up choke job goals

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Vua
Posted 2017-11-05 7:52 AM (#686604 - in reply to #686599)
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robstones - 2017-11-04 7:58 PM

Yeah Shattenkirk is terrible.

4g 9a in 15gp.... among the best offensive production in the league for defenseman.... 3rd on the team in goals and points.... terrible, though....


Where does he rank on give aways and turnovers??


Actually, league worst with 29 giveaways.



B O O M !


Who turned the puck over the most last year, Burns and Karlsson. The Sharks and Senators better get rid of those 2 bumbs.
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Vua
Posted 2017-11-05 7:56 AM (#686605 - in reply to #686593)
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Rranger - 2017-11-04 10:39 PM

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Rranger - 2017-11-04 8:34 PM

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Vua - 2017-11-04 10:07 PM

Rangerjunkie - 2017-11-04 8:04 PM

robstones - 2017-11-04 7:58 PM

Yeah Shattenkirk is terrible.

4g 9a in 15gp.... among the best offensive production in the league for defenseman.... 3rd on the team in goals and points.... terrible, though....


Might be good offensively, SUCKS defensively!!

Not even you can defend him there!


Which defensemen on this team hasn't been dicey this year?


He doesn't suck defensively as bad as Girardi....

I think Ruff has them playing a slightly different system.... Shattenkirk is learning not just AV's style, but everyone is learxning Lindy Ruff's new scheme, too.

I don't know that he'll ever be put in a shut down role, or given significant PK time, but he's on pace to a 20+ goal 70 pt season.... I'll deal with the occational turnover....





Assistant coaches do what head coaches tell them to. Responsibilities and schemes may be discussed but Vigneault decides. Ruff is coaching the same system as last year. Shattenkirk and the rest are not learning physics out there, Shattenkirk has been in the league long enough to know what’s going on after a 20 minute chalk talk. He sucks defensively and needs to put up 60 to 70 points to offset.


He may not be great defensively but he's never been this. The entire defense has been a wreck and calling him out for it without killing the rest of them is laughable. Maybe it's not the players so much as the plan.




No what's laughable is you coming along and deciding what the conversation should be. The discussion is about Shattenkirk. You want to start a post about the entire defence fly at it.


I'll say what I want when I want, even when it goes against your preconceived notions and inability to grasp the actually problems this team has.
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Rranger
Posted 2017-11-05 8:53 AM (#686607 - in reply to #686605)
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Vua - 2017-11-05 6:56 AM

Rranger - 2017-11-04 10:39 PM

Vua - 2017-11-04 9:27 PM

Rranger - 2017-11-04 8:34 PM

robstones - 2017-11-04 7:18 PM

Vua - 2017-11-04 10:07 PM

Rangerjunkie - 2017-11-04 8:04 PM

robstones - 2017-11-04 7:58 PM

Yeah Shattenkirk is terrible.

4g 9a in 15gp.... among the best offensive production in the league for defenseman.... 3rd on the team in goals and points.... terrible, though....


Might be good offensively, SUCKS defensively!!

Not even you can defend him there!


Which defensemen on this team hasn't been dicey this year?


He doesn't suck defensively as bad as Girardi....

I think Ruff has them playing a slightly different system.... Shattenkirk is learning not just AV's style, but everyone is learxning Lindy Ruff's new scheme, too.

I don't know that he'll ever be put in a shut down role, or given significant PK time, but he's on pace to a 20+ goal 70 pt season.... I'll deal with the occational turnover....





Assistant coaches do what head coaches tell them to. Responsibilities and schemes may be discussed but Vigneault decides. Ruff is coaching the same system as last year. Shattenkirk and the rest are not learning physics out there, Shattenkirk has been in the league long enough to know what’s going on after a 20 minute chalk talk. He sucks defensively and needs to put up 60 to 70 points to offset.


He may not be great defensively but he's never been this. The entire defense has been a wreck and calling him out for it without killing the rest of them is laughable. Maybe it's not the players so much as the plan.




No what's laughable is you coming along and deciding what the conversation should be. The discussion is about Shattenkirk. You want to start a post about the entire defence fly at it.


I'll say what I want when I want, even when it goes against your preconceived notions and inability to grasp the actually problems this team has.





3 posts above your laughable post is one criticizing 1/2 the defense, which is part of the thread, which are usually read by people before commenting.. That should have satisfied your need for criticism of the rest of the defense. So spare me your crap about preconceived notions, and inability to grasp.
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robstones
Posted 2017-11-05 9:12 AM (#686608 - in reply to #686349)
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Assistant coaches do what the head coaches tell them to do....

That's why they talked about Ruff's defensive scheme being different and more aggressive than last year's.... It's not the same defensive scheme. It's a different.... they said it was... It's not something I noticed, but I brought it up because this is what AV said in an interview, and Joe and Dave elaborated on live tv..
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Rranger
Posted 2017-11-05 9:34 AM (#686609 - in reply to #686608)
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robstones - 2017-11-05 8:12 AM

Assistant coaches do what the head coaches tell them to do....

That's why they talked about Ruff's defensive scheme being different and more aggressive than last year's.... It's not the same defensive scheme. It's a different.... they said it was... It's not something I noticed, but I brought it up because this is what AV said in an interview, and Joe and Dave elaborated on live tv..




I don't know Rob what their definition of more aggressive is, because it certainly isn't physically, nor is it pursuing the puck carrier in their end any differently than before. They don't pinch any more, they don't try to hold the blueline any more, it looks same old same old. Do you see them doing anything differently?

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Rangerjunkie
Posted 2017-11-05 12:09 PM (#686610 - in reply to #686604)
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Vua - 2017-11-05 7:52 AM

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robstones - 2017-11-04 7:58 PM

Yeah Shattenkirk is terrible.

4g 9a in 15gp.... among the best offensive production in the league for defenseman.... 3rd on the team in goals and points.... terrible, though....


Where does he rank on give aways and turnovers??


Actually, league worst with 29 giveaways.



B O O M !


Who turned the puck over the most last year, Burns and Karlsson. The Sharks and Senators better get rid of those 2 bumbs.


Cmon Vua, can't even compare those two to Shattenkirk.... Shattenkirk leads all Rangers defensemen in goals and points, He ALSO LAST in +/-, which shows just how bad he is defensively!
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Rangerjunkie
Posted 2017-11-05 12:11 PM (#686611 - in reply to #686349)
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Saying Shattenkirk isn't terrible because of goals and points is like saying, a baseball player who bats .200, but hit 30 Homers is a great hitter
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robstones
Posted 2017-11-05 12:48 PM (#686612 - in reply to #686609)
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Assistant coaches do what the head coaches tell them to do....

That's why they talked about Ruff's defensive scheme being different and more aggressive than last year's.... It's not the same defensive scheme. It's a different.... they said it was... It's not something I noticed, but I brought it up because this is what AV said in an interview, and Joe and Dave elaborated on live tv..




I don't know Rob what their definition of more aggressive is, because it certainly isn't physically, nor is it pursuing the puck carrier in their end any differently than before. They don't pinch any more, they don't try to hold the blueline any more, it looks same old same old. Do you see them doing anything differently?


No... I mean I love The Rangers, and I rarely miss a game ever, but I haven't studied them enough to talk X's and O's of this year's team compared to last.

I just know they've talked about Ruff bringing a new scheme to the defense.... Maybe they're lying....

I see more shots coming from the point than normal. I've seen everyone including McDonagh and Skjei be guilty of bad turnovers, poor coverage, and mental mistakes. Up until last week, it would be hard to tell if they've ever executed their playbook properly... so no idk
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Mikey Red
Posted 2017-11-05 7:39 PM (#686618 - in reply to #686612)
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Assistant coaches do what the head coaches tell them to do....

That's why they talked about Ruff's defensive scheme being different and more aggressive than last year's.... It's not the same defensive scheme. It's a different.... they said it was... It's not something I noticed, but I brought it up because this is what AV said in an interview, and Joe and Dave elaborated on live tv..




I don't know Rob what their definition of more aggressive is, because it certainly isn't physically, nor is it pursuing the puck carrier in their end any differently than before. They don't pinch any more, they don't try to hold the blueline any more, it looks same old same old. Do you see them doing anything differently?


No... I mean I love The Rangers, and I rarely miss a game ever, but I haven't studied them enough to talk X's and O's of this year's team compared to last.

I just know they've talked about Ruff bringing a new scheme to the defense.... Maybe they're lying....

I see more shots coming from the point than normal. I've seen everyone including McDonagh and Skjei be guilty of bad turnovers, poor coverage, and mental mistakes. Up until last week, it would be hard to tell if they've ever executed their playbook properly... so no idk

Thats a lie Rob....you work nights!
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itsmcilrathtime
Posted 2017-11-06 3:50 AM (#686623 - in reply to #686349)
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If you look around the league, it looks a lot like the NBA. Not many teams play defense. The defense overall in the league has been atrocious. They might have gone too far with allowing no contact with players as far as sticks go.
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Vua
Posted 2017-11-06 6:08 AM (#686625 - in reply to #686349)
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His plus/minus? Come on guys. Really? The team is a minus. Empty net goals. He's probably been out for all of them. I'm not defending how he's played defensively other than to say he's been no worse than the rest of our trash defense at playing defense. At least he's putting up points. The rest are just giving up goals.

And yes turnovers are a product of handling the puck. When you have the puck and try to make plays you turn the puck over. Yes they are not all from trying to make plays. Some are bad defensive turnovers. But not as many as you think. Go look up who the top 20 are for turnovers each of the last 5 seasons. It's a whose who of the best offensive players in the league.

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Rangerjunkie
Posted 2017-11-06 6:56 AM (#686626 - in reply to #686349)
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Last thing I'll say about it, for now anyway...

Mac, Skjei, and Smith are all + players at this point, have they been good? Absolutely NO!! I will also bet that Mac has been on the ice for almost every empty net goal

St Louis, best team in the west..Wonder if Shattenkirk not being there has anything to do with it
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Posted 2017-11-06 7:06 AM (#686627 - in reply to #686618)
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Mikey Red - 2017-11-05 9:39 PM

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robstones - 2017-11-05 8:12 AM

Assistant coaches do what the head coaches tell them to do....

That's why they talked about Ruff's defensive scheme being different and more aggressive than last year's.... It's not the same defensive scheme. It's a different.... they said it was... It's not something I noticed, but I brought it up because this is what AV said in an interview, and Joe and Dave elaborated on live tv..




I don't know Rob what their definition of more aggressive is, because it certainly isn't physically, nor is it pursuing the puck carrier in their end any differently than before. They don't pinch any more, they don't try to hold the blueline any more, it looks same old same old. Do you see them doing anything differently?


No... I mean I love The Rangers, and I rarely miss a game ever, but I haven't studied them enough to talk X's and O's of this year's team compared to last.

I just know they've talked about Ruff bringing a new scheme to the defense.... Maybe they're lying....

I see more shots coming from the point than normal. I've seen everyone including McDonagh and Skjei be guilty of bad turnovers, poor coverage, and mental mistakes. Up until last week, it would be hard to tell if they've ever executed their playbook properly... so no idk

Thats a lie Rob....you work nights!




I listen to the 1st period with the espn app on my phone, and make it home in time for the 2nd period faceoff, hopefully.... some times I miss some of the 2nd, too.
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Posted 2017-11-06 7:07 AM (#686628 - in reply to #686626)
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Rangerjunkie - 2017-11-06 8:56 AM

Last thing I'll say about it, for now anyway...

Mac, Skjei, and Smith are all + players at this point, have they been good? Absolutely NO!! I will also bet that Mac has been on the ice for almost every empty net goal

St Louis, best team in the west..Wonder if Shattenkirk not being there has anything to do with it


St. Louis has been a good team for years.... with Shattenkirk....
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Vua
Posted 2017-11-06 7:37 AM (#686629 - in reply to #686607)
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Rranger - 2017-11-05 8:53 AM

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Rranger - 2017-11-04 10:39 PM

Vua - 2017-11-04 9:27 PM

Rranger - 2017-11-04 8:34 PM

robstones - 2017-11-04 7:18 PM

Vua - 2017-11-04 10:07 PM

Rangerjunkie - 2017-11-04 8:04 PM

robstones - 2017-11-04 7:58 PM

Yeah Shattenkirk is terrible.

4g 9a in 15gp.... among the best offensive production in the league for defenseman.... 3rd on the team in goals and points.... terrible, though....


Might be good offensively, SUCKS defensively!!

Not even you can defend him there!


Which defensemen on this team hasn't been dicey this year?


He doesn't suck defensively as bad as Girardi....

I think Ruff has them playing a slightly different system.... Shattenkirk is learning not just AV's style, but everyone is learxning Lindy Ruff's new scheme, too.

I don't know that he'll ever be put in a shut down role, or given significant PK time, but he's on pace to a 20+ goal 70 pt season.... I'll deal with the occational turnover....





Assistant coaches do what head coaches tell them to. Responsibilities and schemes may be discussed but Vigneault decides. Ruff is coaching the same system as last year. Shattenkirk and the rest are not learning physics out there, Shattenkirk has been in the league long enough to know what’s going on after a 20 minute chalk talk. He sucks defensively and needs to put up 60 to 70 points to offset.


He may not be great defensively but he's never been this. The entire defense has been a wreck and calling him out for it without killing the rest of them is laughable. Maybe it's not the players so much as the plan.




No what's laughable is you coming along and deciding what the conversation should be. The discussion is about Shattenkirk. You want to start a post about the entire defence fly at it.


I'll say what I want when I want, even when it goes against your preconceived notions and inability to grasp the actually problems this team has.





3 posts above your laughable post is one criticizing 1/2 the defense, which is part of the thread, which are usually read by people before commenting.. That should have satisfied your need for criticism of the rest of the defense. So spare me your crap about preconceived notions, and inability to grasp.


Talking about Holden and Kampfer, who shouldn't even be playing doesn't cover it so it satisfies nothing. And once again I'll reply and quote anything on here as I see fit. Maybe they can make a safe place for you to post somewhere if you don't like it.
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Rranger
Posted 2017-11-06 8:10 AM (#686630 - in reply to #686349)
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Shattenkirk has his issues. The two noticeable things I see are he throws the puck away, and gets caught standing still or not moving with the play, creating to much gap, resulting in getting beat one on one. If he could improve in those two areas he'd be a stud. He has a bit of a bite to him which surprised me, having never noticed it before. The throwing the puck away for all defensemen often is a matter of moving it up the boards, on the strong side in their end, where (earth to Vigneault) a forward has to be, and sadly often is not. So there is some of that, but he does have a bit of a habit of coughing the puck up. Its an area the coaching staff should have identified and be working on. Turnovers are killers especially in the dzone. The gap can be worked on, and has to be constantly evaluated every shift by Ruff giving him feedback til he gets it. That's one of Ruff's key responsibilities, is enforcing double mints game plan which should include tight gaps. .
Those are his two biggest weaknesses that I see, so I'm watching as we go along to see if I see improvement by him in those areas, if I do double mint is doing some good if not, he's sleeping at the switch.
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Rranger
Posted 2017-11-06 8:15 AM (#686631 - in reply to #686629)
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Vua - 2017-11-06 6:37 AM

Rranger - 2017-11-05 8:53 AM

Vua - 2017-11-05 6:56 AM

Rranger - 2017-11-04 10:39 PM

Vua - 2017-11-04 9:27 PM

Rranger - 2017-11-04 8:34 PM

robstones - 2017-11-04 7:18 PM

Vua - 2017-11-04 10:07 PM

Rangerjunkie - 2017-11-04 8:04 PM

robstones - 2017-11-04 7:58 PM

Yeah Shattenkirk is terrible.

4g 9a in 15gp.... among the best offensive production in the league for defenseman.... 3rd on the team in goals and points.... terrible, though....


Might be good offensively, SUCKS defensively!!

Not even you can defend him there!


Which defensemen on this team hasn't been dicey this year?


He doesn't suck defensively as bad as Girardi....

I think Ruff has them playing a slightly different system.... Shattenkirk is learning not just AV's style, but everyone is learxning Lindy Ruff's new scheme, too.

I don't know that he'll ever be put in a shut down role, or given significant PK time, but he's on pace to a 20+ goal 70 pt season.... I'll deal with the occational turnover....





Assistant coaches do what head coaches tell them to. Responsibilities and schemes may be discussed but Vigneault decides. Ruff is coaching the same system as last year. Shattenkirk and the rest are not learning physics out there, Shattenkirk has been in the league long enough to know what’s going on after a 20 minute chalk talk. He sucks defensively and needs to put up 60 to 70 points to offset.


He may not be great defensively but he's never been this. The entire defense has been a wreck and calling him out for it without killing the rest of them is laughable. Maybe it's not the players so much as the plan.




No what's laughable is you coming along and deciding what the conversation should be. The discussion is about Shattenkirk. You want to start a post about the entire defence fly at it.


I'll say what I want when I want, even when it goes against your preconceived notions and inability to grasp the actually problems this team has.





3 posts above your laughable post is one criticizing 1/2 the defense, which is part of the thread, which are usually read by people before commenting.. That should have satisfied your need for criticism of the rest of the defense. So spare me your crap about preconceived notions, and inability to grasp.


Talking about Holden and Kampfer, who shouldn't even be playing doesn't cover it so it satisfies nothing. And once again I'll reply and quote anything on here as I see fit. Maybe they can make a safe place for you to post somewhere if you don't like it.



Well they are playing, that's why they get discussed. So until your imaginary replacements arrive, they will probably continue to get discussed. You keep moving the ball here, first it was laughable to criticize Shattenkirk with out criticizing others. So it was pointed out three posts above other defensemen were being criticized, which you couldn't read and comprehend. Now they are not worthy of being discussed in you opinion, because you have preconceived notions and a inability to grasp who is even playing defense for the Rangers. Sounds like you are the one, making up your little rules as you hide in your safe place.

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Posted 2017-11-06 9:36 AM (#686633 - in reply to #686625)
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Vua - 2017-11-06 8:08 AM

Go look up who the top 20 are for turnovers each of the last 5 seasons. It's a whose who of the best offensive players in the league.


This.

You handle the puck more, you are way more likely to have more turnovers AND points. Want to tell me that Holden has less turnovers per TOI than Shattenkirk, have at it.

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Posted 2017-11-06 9:39 AM (#686634 - in reply to #686626)
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Rangerjunkie - 2017-11-06 8:56 AM

Last thing I'll say about it, for now anyway...

Mac, Skjei, and Smith are all + players at this point, have they been good? Absolutely NO!! I will also bet that Mac has been on the ice for almost every empty net goal

St Louis, best team in the west..Wonder if Shattenkirk not being there has anything to do with it


St. Louis has been best in the west early in the season and even going into the playoffs several times while Shattenkirk was there. Let's not cherrypick on these statistics 15 games into the season
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Mikey Red
Posted 2017-11-06 9:43 AM (#686636 - in reply to #686634)
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I would of tried for Trouba before going after Shattenkirk....But the Rangers can't help themselves...this is what they do....Redden, Richards etc...
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Posted 2017-11-06 9:58 AM (#686637 - in reply to #686634)
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sureshore - 2017-11-06 9:39 AM

Rangerjunkie - 2017-11-06 8:56 AM

Last thing I'll say about it, for now anyway...

Mac, Skjei, and Smith are all + players at this point, have they been good? Absolutely NO!! I will also bet that Mac has been on the ice for almost every empty net goal

St Louis, best team in the west..Wonder if Shattenkirk not being there has anything to do with it


St. Louis has been best in the west early in the season and even going into the playoffs several times while Shattenkirk was there. Let's not cherrypick on these statistics 15 games into the season


Calm down everyone!! The smiley face means it's a joke...........
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Posted 2017-11-06 1:11 PM (#686642 - in reply to #686636)
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Mikey Red - 2017-11-06 11:43 AM

I would of tried for Trouba before going after Shattenkirk....But the Rangers can't help themselves...this is what they do....Redden, Richards etc...


If Trouba was a FA they probably would have.

Trouba is still with The Jets for a reason
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Posted 2017-11-06 1:14 PM (#686643 - in reply to #686633)
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Vua - 2017-11-06 8:08 AM

Go look up who the top 20 are for turnovers each of the last 5 seasons. It's a whose who of the best offensive players in the league.


This.

You handle the puck more, you are way more likely to have more turnovers AND points. Want to tell me that Holden has less turnovers per TOI than Shattenkirk, have at it.


Numbers aside, I haven't seen him do too much in terms of mistakes that have lead to goals.

There's surely been some, but if we're going to use that as the defining characteristic, than Marc Staal and Kampfer are our best defenseman this season
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Mikey Red
Posted 2017-11-06 2:10 PM (#686651 - in reply to #686642)
Subject: Re: Game 15: New York Rangers @ Florida Panthers 11/4/17 - 7pm -MSG


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Mikey Red - 2017-11-06 11:43 AM

I would of tried for Trouba before going after Shattenkirk....But the Rangers can't help themselves...this is what they do....Redden, Richards etc...


If Trouba was a FA they probably would have.

Trouba is still with The Jets for a reason

I'd give them a fair trade for him...
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