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RANGERNUT
Posted 2018-01-10 4:34 AM (#692394)
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Larry Brooks writes that it is "just about impossible" to find people in hockey that believe James Dolan would allow the Rangers to become sellers at the trade deadline. (NY Post)

Brooks writes that there are some who believe the Rangers will try to add a player or two to help offset the loss of Chris Kreider. Brooks says that Kreider is "all but certainly" done for the regular season. (NY Post)

He says that neither Dolan or Jeff Gorton should buy into the Rangers current record and that this is currently a team that struggles to play for a full 60 and is at times "lacking in focus and instensity." (NY Post)

He said that the Rangers have been "kept afloat" on the backs of Henrik Lundqvist and Ondrej Pavelec. (NY Post)

and this from Adam Rotter: The Rangers are a flawed team ......brilliant !

https://www.sny.tv/rangers/news/what-will-be-the-plan-for-the-ranger...


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Posted 2018-01-10 5:47 AM (#692395 - in reply to #692394)
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The Rangers are a flawed team
Tell me something that we don’t already know.

As usual, Dolan just wants to make the playoffs. The extra 2 home games helps line his pockets.

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Mikey Red
Posted 2018-01-10 6:44 AM (#692396 - in reply to #692395)
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Im scared actually....They will trade Miller, Skjei, Lias and Chytil and this years #1 for Joe Thornton
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Posted 2018-01-10 7:08 AM (#692397 - in reply to #692394)
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They absolutely need to be sellers...This team is not good enough...Nash has to go...Mac has to go soon...If you can unload Stall fine...If you can unload Shatternkirk and Smith even better...The Rangers have a young core to build around and get better but hey have to be cap responsible...not make contracts that you end up buying out
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Posted 2018-01-10 8:24 AM (#692398 - in reply to #692397)
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Mikey Red - 2018-01-10 9:08 AM

They absolutely need to be sellers...This team is not good enough...Nash has to go...Mac has to go soon...If you can unload Stall fine...If you can unload Shatternkirk and Smith even better...The Rangers have a young core to build around and get better but hey have to be cap responsible...not make contracts that you end up buying out


Can't agree on Smith -- if we get a coach who doesn't worship "pansy play" Smith will be a very valuable commodity.
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Mikey Red
Posted 2018-01-10 10:40 AM (#692399 - in reply to #692394)
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Posted 2018-01-10 1:40 PM (#692401 - in reply to #692394)
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Posted 2018-01-10 1:49 PM (#692402 - in reply to #692394)
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Just saw this posted on FB... https://bluelinestation.com/2017/12/13/new-york-rangers-target-brass...

Let's say we decide to make a push for this year, and most likely will be the direction Dolan wants to take for the extra playoff revenue, what do you think of bringing back Brassard?
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Posted 2018-01-10 2:04 PM (#692403 - in reply to #692394)
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Posted 2018-01-10 2:11 PM (#692404 - in reply to #692401)
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Rangerjunkie - 2018-01-10 3:40 PM

Time to fire AV

Yesterday too
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Mikey Red
Posted 2018-01-10 2:13 PM (#692405 - in reply to #692394)
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Team needs to build from the draft and out...I liked Brass when he was here...clutch Playoff guy...but he is on the older side of his career...If we can get him for "free" then I have no problem with it...But the goal is to get younger
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Posted 2018-01-10 2:27 PM (#692406 - in reply to #692405)
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Mikey Red - 2018-01-10 4:13 PM

.But the goal is to get younger
That has never been a priority.
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Posted 2018-01-10 2:30 PM (#692407 - in reply to #692406)
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Mjolnir - 2018-01-10 4:27 PM

Mikey Red - 2018-01-10 4:13 PM

.But the goal is to get younger
That has never been a priority.

Yep thats why we never win...We always have stupid people making personel decisions for this team.
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Posted 2018-01-10 3:01 PM (#692408 - in reply to #692407)
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I don't think it's stupid people so much as people being forced to follow a dormant/dead/unrealistic philosophy.
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Posted 2018-01-10 3:10 PM (#692409 - in reply to #692394)
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Could be. Neil Smith F'd this team 6 ways to Sunday....we paid for that until 2005
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Posted 2018-01-10 3:14 PM (#692410 - in reply to #692407)
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Mikey Red - 2018-01-10 4:30 PM

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Mikey Red - 2018-01-10 4:13 PM

.But the goal is to get younger
That has never been a priority.

Yep thats why we never win...We always have stupid people making personel decisions for this team.


I agree, but remember we're dealing with an owner who only sees $$$. So for argument sake, Dolan puts down the hammer and says we're making the playoffs this year. No amount of message board bitching is going to take away at least 2 games of playoff revenue. We have no control. So with that being said, would you want to bring back Brassard for the rest of his contract? I think it's 1.5 yrs. left. Especially if we can get OTT to take Day Jar Nay or pick up half of Brass's salary.

I'm not sure who else would be available at the deadline, but I wouldn't mind bringing back Brass for this year if the price is right.
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Posted 2018-01-10 3:15 PM (#692411 - in reply to #692394)
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Thankfully Dolan only seems to care about he Knicks
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Posted 2018-01-10 3:47 PM (#692412 - in reply to #692394)
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The Rangers continually fail to do what is necessary to build a winning team. They refuse to take one step forward in order to take two steps back. We see this literally every year.

The best we can hope for is for Gorton not to mortgage too much of the future in order to get that guy that "helps them make the playoffs." I pray that they eventually they will see how flawed this approach is. Bring in Eric Staal, play a natural center at wing, and watch him score 6 points in 8 weeks. He leaves as a UFA and guess what, he's a 30ish goal scorer again.

On a side note, the prospect we traded for Staal, Alexi Saarela, was briefly recalled earlier this year, and is on the cusp of making the big club. If that isn't depressing enough I haven't even bothered to look up and see who they picked with the two second round picks we sent also.

So the Rangers' plan should be, identify your core, sell what you can for cheaper/younger contracts, picks, and prospects, and try to use the extra cap space to sign smart, complementary UFAs in the offseason.

The Rangers' plan will inevitably be, fool yourself into thinking you're a playoff caliber team, sell off some youth/picks (but not enough for the fans to riot) for an aging UFA name who doesn't actually fit your team need, scrape into the playoffs due to NHL loser-point parity and outstanding goaltender play, lose in the first round, and then figure out what you'll do in the offseason.

It never changes.

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Posted 2018-01-10 6:10 PM (#692420 - in reply to #692394)
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I just don't see that Dolan cares that much about money. The Rangers and Knicks have never been restrained in how much they spend. He doesn't understand hockey so he doesn't grasp how much this team has been propped up by good goaltending and nothing else. He sees playoffs and thinks these guys are doing a good job. If money was the overriding concern, the Ranger teams of the past would have looked quite different.
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Posted 2018-01-10 6:24 PM (#692422 - in reply to #692394)
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Unfortunately, the Kreider situation will prompt these dummies to take a chance on a rental winger to fill the void left by Kreider. Prepare to be pissed off as they bring in another rental who is misused by Gum-Gum the Dum-Dum, and then leaves for no return in the off-season.

Just #FireAV and see what a better coach can do with this group. Guaranteed, it won't be worse than what we've seen so far.
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Posted 2018-01-10 6:27 PM (#692423 - in reply to #692411)
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Mikey Red - 2018-01-10 5:15 PM

Thankfully Dolan only seems to care about he Knicks


That's true, but that rangers revenue certainly helps fund his Isaiah-type disaster moves.
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Posted 2018-01-10 6:33 PM (#692424 - in reply to #692420)
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Vua - 2018-01-10 8:10 PM

I just don't see that Dolan cares that much about money. The Rangers and Knicks have never been restrained in how much they spend. He doesn't understand hockey so he doesn't grasp how much this team has been propped up by good goaltending and nothing else. He sees playoffs and thinks these guys are doing a good job. If money was the overriding concern, the Ranger teams of the past would have looked quite different.


I can't see how you can say that -- Money was THE concern...that's why those teams of the past looked the way they did..."names" were signed to put corporate fannies in the seats...the teams they iced certainly weren't going to. As long as the suits ponied up for a chance to see a "star" player (albeit a star with one foot out the door), all was well. A round or two of playoff revenue was icing.

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Posted 2018-01-11 2:06 PM (#692434 - in reply to #692409)
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Mikey Red - 2018-01-10 5:10 PM

Could be. Neil Smith F'd this team 6 ways to Sunday....we paid for that until 2005


Neil does not get all the credit for the mess until 2005. Sather took over as GM in 2000 and had no salary cap until the lockout in 2004-2005. Never forget the Sather quote:

" If I had the Rangers payroll, I'd never lose a game."

Sather has been Rangers President from 2000 until now and was GM from 2000 until 2015.

At least Smith delivered a Cup.
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Posted 2018-01-11 2:14 PM (#692435 - in reply to #692434)
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Mikey Red - 2018-01-10 5:10 PM

Could be. Neil Smith F'd this team 6 ways to Sunday....we paid for that until 2005


Neil does not get all the credit for the mess until 2005. Sather took over as GM in 2000 and had no salary cap until the lockout in 2004-2005. Never forget the Sather quote:

" If I had the Rangers payroll, I'd never lose a game."

Sather has been Rangers President from 2000 until now and was GM from 2000 until 2015.

At least Smith delivered a Cup.

Yep...Smith made the deal with the man downstairs......Sather was just an awful GM..."With the Rangers payroll...I'd win the Cup every year"
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Posted 2018-01-11 2:30 PM (#692436 - in reply to #692394)
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They're in a weird position as a bubble team.

For that reason, I'm not sure they do much unless it's a good deal.

They need someone better than Deshernais to center the 3rd line

And they need someone better than Holden to play with McDonagh.

If they do that and can get healthy.... Kreider coming back just before the playoffs... Then this team could contend in my opinion.

I just don't know that they have the trading chips to get it done.


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Posted 2018-01-11 2:52 PM (#692437 - in reply to #692394)
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One of four things the Rangers will do at the trade deadline:
A. Trade young players for a PP quarterback;
B. Acquire a former superstar scorer to jump start the offense, most likely with high draft picks;
C. Trade for trades sake, making a case for "shake things up" or "good in the locker room"; or
D. Do nothing, as in "couldn't find a suitable partner".

One of the above is what happens every year.
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Posted 2018-01-11 3:19 PM (#692438 - in reply to #692394)
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The dumbasses should sell, sell, sell. However, we all know the morons won't and will convince themselves they can win it.
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Posted 2018-01-11 5:13 PM (#692439 - in reply to #692394)
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Even IF this team makes the playoffs, and that's a BIG IF, No way does this team make it out of the 2nd round if they're lucky enough for Hank to steal round 1....

This team is not a playoff built team, they will be hammered by the bigger physical teams that are built for the playoffs. You think they are bad with turnovers now? Wait until they are constantly looking over their shoulder!

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Posted 2018-01-11 5:38 PM (#692440 - in reply to #692439)
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Rangerjunkie - 2018-01-11 7:13 PM

Even IF this team makes the playoffs, and that's a BIG IF, No way does this team make it out of the 2nd round if they're lucky enough for Hank to steal round 1....

This team is not a playoff built team, they will be hammered by the bigger physical teams that are built for the playoffs. You think they are bad with turnovers now? Wait until they are constantly looking over their shoulder!


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Posted 2018-01-11 5:45 PM (#692441 - in reply to #692394)
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Can we sell AV. I'd take a bucket of practice pucks; at least they have value.
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Posted 2018-01-11 8:45 PM (#692442 - in reply to #692441)
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NTHockey - 2018-01-11 7:45 PM

Can we sell AV. I'd take a bucket of practice pucks; at least they have value.

Do you do weather?...
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Posted 2018-01-12 2:18 AM (#692443 - in reply to #692394)
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Nash could probably get back a 2 and a 3 to a team looking for a top defensive forward who can give them puck possession. It's important to remember that you can't judge our defenseman with the stupid system AV plays. Look at Girardi and the season he's having on Tampa. So, a guy like Smith is a system that actually isn't stupid could be interesting to teams out there. I think you have put McDonagh out there and at least see what kind of offers are made.
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Posted 2018-01-12 6:51 AM (#692445 - in reply to #692443)
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itsmcilrathtime - 2018-01-12 4:18 AM

Nash could probably get back a 2 and a 3 to a team looking for a top defensive forward who can give them puck possession. It's important to remember that you can't judge our defenseman with the stupid system AV plays. Look at Girardi and the season he's having on Tampa. So, a guy like Smith is a system that actually isn't stupid could be interesting to teams out there. I think you have put McDonagh out there and at least see what kind of offers are made.

Yes....you HAVE to deal Nash by the deadline...and Yes ...Mac has to be moved too...You cant give him a new 7 year contract.
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Posted 2018-01-12 7:12 AM (#692446 - in reply to #692394)
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They don't have to sell AV, just FIRE him already!!!!
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Posted 2018-01-12 12:04 PM (#692451 - in reply to #692394)
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I think they should trade Nash if its a decent return for sure. Even if the Rangers make the playoffs, he hasn't contributed in the playoffs at all, so what would we be missing?
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