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LeetchyMrRanger
Posted 2018-02-09 5:17 PM (#695972 - in reply to #695393)
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I expect player to 'wake up' from their hibernation now that the winter is coming to an end or more to the point it was made clear people will be moved. The Rangers made it clear there are not un-tradables on this team. I know the coach is not very popular here, but too many of these bums have gotten too comfortable & don't do their jobs, invisible most nights.

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Steady Eddie
Posted 2018-02-09 6:18 PM (#696080 - in reply to #695919)
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Doubt we get a first for Nash. Think about it. Would you give up a first for Nash?





Ultimately I think they are going to trade up to a top 5 spot in this draft


No need to trade up - they'll be in the draft lottery


You've forgotten that there is no guarantee they get a top five spot....draft positions are no longer determined by where they finish.


True, but the lower you finish, the better your odds will be. Devils won with an 8.5% chance. Ranger luck, we'll land in the 15 spot.
31st 18 percent
30th - 12.5 percent
29th - 10.5 percent
28th - 9.5 percent
27th - 8.5 percent
26th - 7.6 percent
25th - 6.7 percent
24th - 5.8 percent
23rd - 5.4 percent
22nd - 4.5 percent
21st - 3.3 percent
20th - 2.7 percent
19th - 2.2 percent
18th - 1.8 percent
17th - 1 percent

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They'll be in the bottom 10 in the league. That may be high enough....

Hypothetically if they get a 1st for Nash and a 1st for Grabner....

So, say they end up with 8th overall naturally, then the 21st and 29th pick through trade....

They could keep those and have three 1st rounders, or flip the two later round picks and turn them into another top 10 maybe top 5 pick.... is what I would try for....

So then they pick 4th overall and 8th overall.... or whatever.... hypothetically

They are not getting a first for Nash. What did we give up for Eric Staal? We will be lucky if we get that for Nash.
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Rranger
Posted 2018-02-10 9:33 AM (#696249 - in reply to #695972)
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LeetchyMrRanger - 2018-02-09 4:17 PM

I expect player to 'wake up' from their hibernation now that the winter is coming to an end or more to the point it was made clear people will be moved. The Rangers made it clear there are not un-tradables on this team. I know the coach is not very popular here, but too many of these bums have gotten too comfortable & don't do their jobs, invisible most nights.





Some of the most important responsibilities of a paid hockey coach are to motivate, nurture and develop hockey players, and create a environment for them to succeed. Look on any Coach job description. The reason these bums have gotten to comfortable and don't do their jobs is because pretty boy isn't doing his job. Pretty boys job is to make sure the players do their job consistently. The more consistent players do their job the better the team is. Chewys teams are known for inconsistency. Look at the stretches of terrible to good to terrible just this season. Typical pretty boy performance over a season. The problem is behind the bench not the players sitting on it..

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rjpny75
Posted 2018-02-10 1:09 PM (#696253 - in reply to #695393)
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You all realize that the System now has an actual Albert. Too bad he can't wear #7.

https://www.nhl.com/rangers/news/rangers-acquire-john-albert-and-hub...
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Posted 2018-02-10 3:05 PM (#696254 - in reply to #696080)
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Doubt we get a first for Nash. Think about it. Would you give up a first for Nash?





Ultimately I think they are going to trade up to a top 5 spot in this draft


No need to trade up - they'll be in the draft lottery


You've forgotten that there is no guarantee they get a top five spot....draft positions are no longer determined by where they finish.


True, but the lower you finish, the better your odds will be. Devils won with an 8.5% chance. Ranger luck, we'll land in the 15 spot.
31st 18 percent
30th - 12.5 percent
29th - 10.5 percent
28th - 9.5 percent
27th - 8.5 percent
26th - 7.6 percent
25th - 6.7 percent
24th - 5.8 percent
23rd - 5.4 percent
22nd - 4.5 percent
21st - 3.3 percent
20th - 2.7 percent
19th - 2.2 percent
18th - 1.8 percent
17th - 1 percent

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They'll be in the bottom 10 in the league. That may be high enough....

Hypothetically if they get a 1st for Nash and a 1st for Grabner....

So, say they end up with 8th overall naturally, then the 21st and 29th pick through trade....

They could keep those and have three 1st rounders, or flip the two later round picks and turn them into another top 10 maybe top 5 pick.... is what I would try for....

So then they pick 4th overall and 8th overall.... or whatever.... hypothetically

They are not getting a first for Nash. What did we give up for Eric Staal? We will be lucky if we get that for Nash.


A top prospect and two 2nd rounders is what we gave for Eric Staal.

A prospect and a 1st instead of two 2nds isn't out of the question at all.
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Rranger
Posted 2018-02-10 4:07 PM (#696255 - in reply to #695393)
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Rick Nash and Grabner have it going on the ice. I will be shocked if the Rangers don’t get a first for each.
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LeetchyMrRanger
Posted 2018-02-10 7:19 PM (#696256 - in reply to #695393)
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I am not sure teams pay as much for rental players as they used to pay. There has not been a lot of success with those thus far.
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Rranger
Posted 2018-02-11 8:45 AM (#696258 - in reply to #696256)
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LeetchyMrRanger - 2018-02-10 6:19 PM

I am not sure teams pay as much for rental players as they used to pay. There has not been a lot of success with those thus far.




Teams paid dear last deadline including Washington a first for Shattenkirk. The Devils a second for Brian Boyle, our own Rangers a second and a third for Smith, Minnesota a first, second, and conditional pick for Martin Hanzal and throw in Ryan White, Anaheim a pick for Eaves I believe became a first, and the Penguins gave up a second for Ron Hainsey. So if there was any issue last trade deadline it was quality of player available, certainly not price paid. But as mentioned above some pretty good returns.
I think the Rangers are in a good spot, a pretty good number of teams are going to explore Grabner, Nash, Holden and even Desharnais. A first plus for Nash goes with out saying, a conditional first for Grabner if a team advances into the second round of the playoffs type of deal, certainly at least a third for Holden and a 5th or 6th for Desharnais. Throw Mcdonagh into the mix and he's going to yield a excellent return, whens the last time a player like him was available to a Cup contender. He's worth a bundle.
The drunken GM splurge will be on full display this year with enough solid players available to force some in to match other GM's acquisitions. I think the Rangers will do well. Their biggest worry will be drafting well.
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LeetchyMrRanger
Posted 2018-02-11 9:44 AM (#696262 - in reply to #695393)
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Yeah, I guess so. You always hear though are rental players worth it? THN had an article last year going back to like 10 years of rental player dead line trades, & it failed most of the time.

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Rranger
Posted 2018-02-11 9:51 AM (#696263 - in reply to #696262)
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LeetchyMrRanger - 2018-02-11 8:44 AM

Yeah, I guess so. You always hear though are rental players worth it? THN had an article last year going back to like 10 years of rental player dead line trades, & it failed most of the time.




I hear you on the does it work out angle, and not just lately, so few real difference maker deadline day deals. But the value driver at the deadline is the talent available. GM's can't help themselves. Hopefully Gorton hits dingers.
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Posted 2018-02-11 8:26 PM (#696453 - in reply to #695393)
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I've said before they have value to get something good back in return.
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Posted 2018-02-12 10:39 PM (#696476 - in reply to #695393)
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I would think that most of the Rangers should they move them could garner significant value on the trade market. When you hear names like Nash Grabner McDonaugh Zuccerello Kreider and Miller all being mentioned (and not saying they are or will or should trade any of them) but I would think any and all would be worth a 1st rounder.. and whatever package in return. With no one as untouchable (maybe untradeable..lol) They could bring back into the team a lot of parts and picks. However given the Rangers luck/skill with picks.. I would think prospects is a better way to go.. pluck some people who are high prospects.
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Posted 2018-02-13 6:57 AM (#696483 - in reply to #696453)
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LeetchyMrRanger - 2018-02-11 10:26 PM

I've said before they have value to get something good back in return.
I'm not disagreeing that they have value, I just think this fan base is over valuing some of them.

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Rangerjunkie
Posted 2018-02-13 8:42 AM (#696484 - in reply to #695393)
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If Grabner is a 3rd or 4th line player on this bad team, why would we think he would bring back a #1?

I think the only players that could bring back a #1 pick would be Hank, Miller, McD, Skjei, and maybe Nash. Other than them, good luck
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Posted 2018-02-13 8:48 AM (#696486 - in reply to #695393)
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You think wrong. Grabner has more goals than most teams forwards have. Granted 7 are empty netters. Take those away though and check down each NHL roster how many of their players have 16+ goals. You will be surprised to see how few there are on each team. He's also an elite defensive and PK guy.
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Posted 2018-02-13 10:55 AM (#696489 - in reply to #695393)
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Yeah depth at scoring.

Yeah the empty netters, but you don't get those without puck possession and good defense. The guy's stick breaks up a lot of plays. He forces a lot of turnovers, and when paired with his speed....

Your team is gaining a lot from Grabner.

And the draft IS a crap shoot.... Hugh Jessiman and Pavel Brendl are in there You could be giving up your future McD, or your future MDZ..... but you're getting a quality difference maker
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Posted 2018-02-13 11:43 AM (#696492 - in reply to #696486)
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itsmcilrathtime - 2018-02-13 7:48 AM

You think wrong. Grabner has more goals than most teams forwards have. Granted 7 are empty netters. Take those away though and check down each NHL roster how many of their players have 16+ goals. You will be surprised to see how few there are on each team. He's also an elite defensive and PK guy.


I think the other thing to bear in mind is that he scores those goals 5 on 5....if you further remove the PP goals from the league, and he could very well be the most productive 3rd liner in the league
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Posted 2018-02-13 11:55 AM (#696493 - in reply to #695393)
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So I looked it up...Grabner has 22 goals at even strength, which is 5th in the league behind Kucherov (26), Matthews (24), Ovechkin (23) and W Karlsson (23). If you subtract the 7 Empty Netters, then he'd been tied for 21st in the league

25 - Kucherov
24 - Matthews
22 - W Karlsson
21 - Ovechkin
20 - Couturier
20 - Lee
19 - Monahan
18 - Kopitar
18 - McDavid
18 - Neal
17 - Boeser
17 - P Kane
17 - Tarasenko
16 - Eberle
16 - Eichel
16 - MacKinnon
16- Malkin
16 - Rakell
16 - Seguin
16 - Tavares
15 - J Anderson
15 - Benn
15 - Grabner
15 - Hall
15 - Kempe
15 - Kessel
15 - M Stone
15 - J Van Riemsdyk

Also worth noting that 11 of those players have played 1-3 more games than Grabner

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Posted 2018-02-13 12:05 PM (#696494 - in reply to #696493)
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Fish - 2018-02-13 1:55 PM

So I looked it up...Grabner has 22 goals at even strength, which is 5th in the league behind Kucherov (26), Matthews (24), Ovechkin (23) and W Karlsson (23). If you subtract the 7 Empty Netters, then he'd been tied for 21st in the league

25 - Kucherov
24 - Matthews
22 - W Karlsson
21 - Ovechkin
20 - Couturier
20 - Lee
19 - Monahan
18 - Kopitar
18 - McDavid
18 - Neal
17 - Boeser
17 - P Kane
17 - Tarasenko
16 - Eberle
16 - Eichel
16 - MacKinnon
16- Malkin
16 - Rakell
16 - Seguin
16 - Tavares
15 - J Anderson
15 - Benn
15 - Grabner
15 - Hall
15 - Kempe
15 - Kessel
15 - M Stone
15 - J Van Riemsdyk

Also worth noting that 11 of those players have played 1-3 more games than Grabner

If you are gonna make a list without empty netters for Grabner, you should also take out empty netters from those ahead of him on that list too....he would be higher.
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Rangerjunkie
Posted 2018-02-13 1:38 PM (#696496 - in reply to #696486)
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itsmcilrathtime - 2018-02-13 8:48 AM

You think wrong. Grabner has more goals than most teams forwards have. Granted 7 are empty netters. Take those away though and check down each NHL roster how many of their players have 16+ goals. You will be surprised to see how few there are on each team. He's also an elite defensive and PK guy.


We'll see if I think wrong when the trade deadline gets here.......

If he scores more than most 1st line wingers though, why is he mainly on the 3rd line here, and a lot of games he has been on the 4th line??
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Rangerjunkie
Posted 2018-02-13 1:41 PM (#696497 - in reply to #696493)
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Fish - 2018-02-13 11:55 AM

So I looked it up...Grabner has 22 goals at even strength, which is 5th in the league behind Kucherov (26), Matthews (24), Ovechkin (23) and W Karlsson (23). If you subtract the 7 Empty Netters, then he'd been tied for 21st in the league

25 - Kucherov
24 - Matthews
22 - W Karlsson
21 - Ovechkin
20 - Couturier
20 - Lee
19 - Monahan
18 - Kopitar
18 - McDavid
18 - Neal
17 - Boeser
17 - P Kane
17 - Tarasenko
16 - Eberle
16 - Eichel
16 - MacKinnon
16- Malkin
16 - Rakell
16 - Seguin
16 - Tavares
15 - J Anderson
15 - Benn
15 - Grabner
15 - Hall
15 - Kempe
15 - Kessel
15 - M Stone
15 - J Van Riemsdyk

Also worth noting that 11 of those players have played 1-3 more games than Grabner



I get your point, and its a good one!!

But, honestly we would all take about 75% of the players on this list over Grabner
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Posted 2018-02-13 2:26 PM (#696499 - in reply to #696494)
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Mandar - 2018-02-13 11:05 AM

Fish - 2018-02-13 1:55 PM

So I looked it up...Grabner has 22 goals at even strength, which is 5th in the league behind Kucherov (26), Matthews (24), Ovechkin (23) and W Karlsson (23). If you subtract the 7 Empty Netters, then he'd been tied for 21st in the league

25 - Kucherov
24 - Matthews
22 - W Karlsson
21 - Ovechkin
20 - Couturier
20 - Lee
19 - Monahan
18 - Kopitar
18 - McDavid
18 - Neal
17 - Boeser
17 - P Kane
17 - Tarasenko
16 - Eberle
16 - Eichel
16 - MacKinnon
16- Malkin
16 - Rakell
16 - Seguin
16 - Tavares
15 - J Anderson
15 - Benn
15 - Grabner
15 - Hall
15 - Kempe
15 - Kessel
15 - M Stone
15 - J Van Riemsdyk

Also worth noting that 11 of those players have played 1-3 more games than Grabner

If you are gonna make a list without empty netters for Grabner, you should also take out empty netters from those ahead of him on that list too....he would be higher.


This IS the list without empty netters for each of the players
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Posted 2018-02-13 2:27 PM (#696500 - in reply to #696497)
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Rangerjunkie - 2018-02-13 12:41 PM

I get your point, and its a good one!!

But, honestly we would all take about 75% of the players on this list over Grabner


Yes, but aside from James Neal, how many of those players are available at the Trade Deadline?
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Posted 2018-02-13 2:53 PM (#696501 - in reply to #696500)
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Fish - 2018-02-13 2:27 PM

Rangerjunkie - 2018-02-13 12:41 PM

I get your point, and its a good one!!

But, honestly we would all take about 75% of the players on this list over Grabner


Yes, but aside from James Neal, how many of those players are available at the Trade Deadline?


Another good point.
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Posted 2018-02-13 3:23 PM (#696503 - in reply to #695393)
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The moral of the story is the Rangers have to trade Nash, Grabner, Holden and Desharnais. They are not going to be able to afford to sign Nash and Grabner unless there are some surprises, in who else might be traded, and I don’t see that happening. The days of letting guys walk for meagre 3rd round picks to let another team negotiate with a UFA, ala Yandle have to be over. Holden and Desharnais are no longer required going forward get what you can.
Zuccarello and McDonagh are a different nut. Again max value for them is probably before the deadline. The Rangers are setting themselves up for some big time swinging at the draft with a lot of potential 3rd round and up picks. And they have to connect. A rebuild on the fly can and will go flying off the rails with mediocre picks. 4 or 5 Bobby Sanquenetti, Michael Del Zotto, and Ethan Wereks picks will kill them. I like the plan but a whole lot of things have to fall into place.
The worse the finish the better the assets. Henrek has been stung by Vigneault and can carry this team along ways in the playoff chase, as long as the rest of the team stays interested. It will be interesting to see how it plays out.
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Posted 2018-02-14 3:53 AM (#696692 - in reply to #695393)
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5:20PM: Elliotte Friedman reports that the Nashville Predators are reportedly "all in" on Rick Nash. (Sportsnet)

He said that the question with Nashville is whether they would be able to "outbid" a large field of teams interested in Nash. (Sportsnet)

Friedman says that Nashville just offering their first round pick won't be enough to get Nash but that they have top prospects in Dante Fabbro and Eeli Tolvanen that the Rangers will likely want. (Sportsnet)

Tolvanen was recently ranked as the 2nd best prospect by Corey Pronman of the Athletic, saying that he has "high-end skill, he has the hockey sense to make highly skilled plays at a quick pace, he sees the ice well and he has an elite shot." (The Athletic)

Tolvanen was the 30th pick in the 2017 draft, scoring 17 goals and 17 assists in the KHL this season for Jokerit.

Fabro was the 17th pick in 2016 and is in his second season at Boston University. Fabbro was part of Team Canada's defense at the World Juniors.

Nashville has been one of the teams linked to Nash.

Adam Rotter: The Predators make a lot of sense for Nash. They are good, have the experience from last year and are in their window to win right now with Pekka Rinne in goal. If everything is about "now" for the Predators and going for it this year, then they should be willing to trade Fabbro or Tolvanen to the Rangers as the centerpiece of a trade.
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Posted 2018-02-14 7:59 AM (#696696 - in reply to #695393)
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Let the bidding war begin....

Do to other teams what usually happens to the Rangers this time of year
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Posted 2018-02-14 8:15 AM (#696699 - in reply to #695393)
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Honestly, I don't see Nashville as a fit at all. Their farm is very thin past their last 2 first rounders which I don't think they will deal. I see Toronto being a much better fit along with Tampa. Two teams that score a lot but need defense. Especially, if they don't want to pay for McDonagh. I see San Jose as a good fit. They have prospects like Roy and Gambrell who they could include with a first rounder and who aren't far away from the NHL.
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Posted 2018-02-14 8:21 AM (#696700 - in reply to #696696)
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Rangerjunkie - 2018-02-14 9:59 AM

Let the bidding war begin....

Do to other teams what usually happens to the Rangers this time of year
Rangers were usually bidding against thenmselves.
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Posted 2018-02-14 9:09 AM (#696702 - in reply to #695393)
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Looking at Eeli Tolvanen and Dante Fabbro out of Nashville


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RANGERNUT - 2018-02-14 5:53 AM

5:20PM: Elliotte Friedman reports that the Nashville Predators are reportedly "all in" on Rick Nash. (Sportsnet)

He said that the question with Nashville is whether they would be able to "outbid" a large field of teams interested in Nash. (Sportsnet)

Friedman says that Nashville just offering their first round pick won't be enough to get Nash but that they have top prospects in Dante Fabbro and Eeli Tolvanen that the Rangers will likely want. (Sportsnet)

Tolvanen was recently ranked as the 2nd best prospect by Corey Pronman of the Athletic, saying that he has "high-end skill, he has the hockey sense to make highly skilled plays at a quick pace, he sees the ice well and he has an elite shot." (The Athletic)

Tolvanen was the 30th pick in the 2017 draft, scoring 17 goals and 17 assists in the KHL this season for Jokerit.

Fabro was the 17th pick in 2016 and is in his second season at Boston University. Fabbro was part of Team Canada's defense at the World Juniors.

Nashville has been one of the teams linked to Nash.

Adam Rotter: The Predators make a lot of sense for Nash. They are good, have the experience from last year and are in their window to win right now with Pekka Rinne in goal. If everything is about "now" for the Predators and going for it this year, then they should be willing to trade Fabbro or Tolvanen to the Rangers as the centerpiece of a trade.


Ha I made my last post before reading this one.

Yeah, those are definitely their top prospects of interest to me.
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This one I had to post as Brooks slipped this quote into his recent article titled:
"A guide to Olympic hockey, including some potential future Rangers"
By Larry Brooks

"This tournament is there for the Russians By Any Other Name — OAR, to be precise — to win (or lose, depending on one’s perspective). Pending Ranger Ilya Kovalchuk will join a cast that features Pavel Datsyuk and Vadim Shipachyov up-front and the banished Slava Voynov on defense. Igor Shestyorkin, the Tsar in waiting to emigrate to Broadway when his KHL contract expires following next season, is expected to share backup duty with future Islander netminder Ilya Sorokin behind the veteran Vasily Koshechkin"


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The one big thing working against NY is the small market, chip on these other teams towards NY. They seem to want to offer the Rangers crap for players. Then trade for players on other teams that aren't as good and offer more. Which is why those GM's should be exposed to their fans and fired.
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LeetchyMrRanger
Posted 2018-02-14 11:55 AM (#696707 - in reply to #695393)
Subject: Re: NYR Trade Deadline Thread


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