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Posted 2018-05-10 1:31 PM (#704102 - in reply to #704101)
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robstones - 2018-05-10 2:31 PM

Mikey Red - 2018-05-10 2:09 PM

Who knows...but his silver medal temper tantrum was not cool


Meh it wasn't that big of a deal to me. I'm not sure that silver medal is going to be a major prized piece. He tossed it to Swedish fan.... was emotional about the loss..... can focus on that if you'd like

What about that he wore the C for Sweden..... not Alex Nylander.... not Elias Pettersson..... who Lias scored 6g while Pettersson scored 5..... Middelstadt scored 4g

Elite scorerer in this draft Filip Zadina scored 7g. Not too sure why you'd be concerned he's not that good, or doesn't have offense.

He does, he's just not quite as flashy about it.


cause he reads stuff.....
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Mikey Red
Posted 2018-05-10 6:23 PM (#704106 - in reply to #704101)
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robstones - 2018-05-10 2:31 PM

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Who knows...but his silver medal temper tantrum was not cool


Meh it wasn't that big of a deal to me. I'm not sure that silver medal is going to be a major prized piece. He tossed it to Swedish fan.... was emotional about the loss..... can focus on that if you'd like

What about that he wore the C for Sweden..... not Alex Nylander.... not Elias Pettersson..... who Lias scored 6g while Pettersson scored 5..... Middelstadt scored 4g

Elite scorerer in this draft Filip Zadina scored 7g. Not too sure why you'd be concerned he's not that good, or doesn't have offense.

He does, he's just not quite as flashy about it.

I hope so...Im rooting for him....But Im not sure about him at the NHL level
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Mikey Red
Posted 2018-05-12 8:31 PM (#704155 - in reply to #702887)
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From what I have been reading....Wahlstrom does not have top speed skating abilities.....Tkachuk is a very good skater but doesnt have Wahlstroms scoring touch. I would still love to have one of those guys
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Posted 2018-05-14 7:24 AM (#704224 - in reply to #704155)
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Mikey Red - 2018-05-12 9:31 PM

From what I have been reading....Wahlstrom does not have top speed skating abilities.....Tkachuk is a very good skater but doesnt have Wahlstroms scoring touch. I would still love to have one of those guys


Give me the scorer any day of the week. They don't award wins based on skating, if you can put the puck in the net, how fast or slow you skate is largely irrelevant.

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Posted 2018-05-14 10:52 AM (#704229 - in reply to #704224)
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concust - 2018-05-14 9:24 AM

Mikey Red - 2018-05-12 9:31 PM

From what I have been reading....Wahlstrom does not have top speed skating abilities.....Tkachuk is a very good skater but doesnt have Wahlstroms scoring touch. I would still love to have one of those guys


Give me the scorer any day of the week. They don't award wins based on skating, if you can put the puck in the net, how fast or slow you skate is largely irrelevant.



It's not like he's slow.... he just isn't McDavid.

He's probably the best sniper in the draft, though.
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Mikey Red
Posted 2018-05-14 6:13 PM (#704235 - in reply to #704229)
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robstones - 2018-05-14 12:52 PM

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Mikey Red - 2018-05-12 9:31 PM

From what I have been reading....Wahlstrom does not have top speed skating abilities.....Tkachuk is a very good skater but doesnt have Wahlstroms scoring touch. I would still love to have one of those guys


Give me the scorer any day of the week. They don't award wins based on skating, if you can put the puck in the net, how fast or slow you skate is largely irrelevant.



It's not like he's slow.... he just isn't McDavid.

He's probably the best sniper in the draft, though.

Yeah I hope we either get him then Dobson then Tkachuk
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Posted 2018-05-19 11:55 AM (#704909 - in reply to #702887)
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Dahlin (that's Ulf's kid, right?), Karlsson says he is better than I was at that age. That's some praise. Hey toothless Sabres another top pick for you. When you gonna improve already...
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Posted 2018-05-20 12:40 PM (#704974 - in reply to #702887)
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With Quinn Hughes playing on Team USA's Bronze medal team, his stock is rising.

I think both Adam Boqvist and Noah Dobson will be available at #9

The combine will change things too I'm sure
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Posted 2018-05-20 12:53 PM (#704975 - in reply to #702887)
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Yep Quinn did look noticeable out there....Lias didnt at all and Heatl eh.....I think I would take Dobson if we dont get a RD elsewhere...I dont want Boqvist because he had a concussion already and is far from all that defensively
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Posted 2018-05-21 7:37 AM (#705038 - in reply to #702887)
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Of the defensemen that are projected to be available, I'd shy away from Boqvist also. I have some reservations about Dobson too because I think his numbers are inflated.

My top defensemen would be Dahlin, Bouchard/Hughes (toss up), Dobson, Boqvist.

There's also a swede that should be available late in the round that we should look at if we keep those later picks, Rasmus Sandin, currently plays for Soo with Tim Gettinger. Good two-way swedish defenseman, smart, good skater but not fast. Put up good but not elite point production in the OHL.

Hoping a trade presents itself for us to move up and take more of an impact player though.

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Mikey Red
Posted 2018-05-21 8:10 AM (#705044 - in reply to #702887)
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Yes a trade needs to def present itself
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Posted 2018-05-21 12:06 PM (#705058 - in reply to #702887)
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The more I see of Noah Dobson, the more I like. If we can get him at #9 and trade our other 2 picks to Arizona for Whalstrom or Tkachuk, at #5 that would be fantastic.

I think Ottawa may take their idea of 2nd best defenseman over 3rd best winger at #4



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Posted 2018-05-21 12:12 PM (#705060 - in reply to #702887)
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Also I guarentee we draft Jack Drury in the 2nd or 3rd round
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Posted 2018-05-21 12:16 PM (#705061 - in reply to #705058)
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robstones - 2018-05-21 2:06 PM

The more I see of Noah Dobson, the more I like. If we can get him at #9 and trade our other 2 picks to Arizona for Whalstrom or Tkachuk, at #5 that would be fantastic.

I think Ottawa may take their idea of 2nd best defenseman over 3rd best winger at #4


I hope thats the plan ...TB is NYR South and AZ could be NYR West
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Posted 2018-05-21 8:29 PM (#705170 - in reply to #705061)
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Mikey Red - 2018-05-21 2:16 PM

robstones - 2018-05-21 2:06 PM

The more I see of Noah Dobson, the more I like. If we can get him at #9 and trade our other 2 picks to Arizona for Whalstrom or Tkachuk, at #5 that would be fantastic.

I think Ottawa may take their idea of 2nd best defenseman over 3rd best winger at #4


I hope thats the plan ...TB is NYR South and AZ could be NYR West


I'd throw in the 2nd rounder we got from NJ

That would give Arizona 2 picks in each of the first 3 rounds. Seems more than fair.... maybe even overpaying....

But adding Whalstrom/Tkachuk and Dobson to our prospect pool would be well worth it. Two right handed shots who LOVE to shoot!? And filling two needs of a scoring winger and a top pair RHD

With some luck Kaut will be availabe for the 2nd round pick


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Posted 2018-05-22 8:55 AM (#705203 - in reply to #702887)
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Dobson's team defeated Hajeks team on Sunday 8-6

Dobson had 2g and 2a in the game

Hajek had an assist, so he has 2pts in 2gp

Dobson's Titans play again tonight at 10pm on NHLnetwork

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Posted 2018-05-22 1:06 PM (#705216 - in reply to #702887)
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I have now watched 2017-18 Youtube highlights, and listened to "online" analyists for Quinn Hughes, Evan Bouchard and Noah Dobson. To be honest, if the Rangers get any one of those 3, there are doing well. Dobson and Bouchard are almost the same package. Both have size, skating, offensive upsides with heavy, one timer right hand shots. Hughes has the puck glued to his stick at high speed but with less size, shot and left handed. All three will be top 4 NHL defensemen for a long time. I doubt all 3 will be available by number 9, but one might be. I still hope somehow the Rangers land Tkachuk.

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Posted 2018-05-22 2:53 PM (#705223 - in reply to #705170)
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robstones - 2018-05-21 9:29 PM

That would give Arizona 2 picks in each of the first 3 rounds. Seems more than fair.... maybe even overpaying....



I may be misunderstanding, but there's no way we can trade two late firsts and a second for a top 10 pick.

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Posted 2018-05-22 3:53 PM (#705227 - in reply to #705216)
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van'70 - 2018-05-22 3:06 PM

I have now watched 2017-18 Youtube highlights, and listened to "online" analyists for Quinn Hughes, Evan Bouchard and Noah Dobson. To be honest, if the Rangers get any one of those 3, there are doing well. Dobson and Bouchard are almost the same package. Both have size, skating, offensive upsides with heavy, one timer right hand shots. Hughes has the puck glued to his stick at high speed but with less size, shot and left handed. All three will be top 4 NHL defensemen for a long time. I doubt all 3 will be available by number 9, but one might be. I still hope somehow the Rangers land Tkachuk.


Dobson is a little bigger and better at actually defending. He is a better skater than Bouchard.

Bouchard has produced more points, and is said to be more NHL ready

Hughes has the highest offensive upside, and may vve the best skater in the draft. But yeah they're all solid
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Posted 2018-05-22 3:55 PM (#705228 - in reply to #705223)
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robstones - 2018-05-21 9:29 PM

That would give Arizona 2 picks in each of the first 3 rounds. Seems more than fair.... maybe even overpaying....



I may be misunderstanding, but there's no way we can trade two late firsts and a second for a top 10 pick.



Yeah there will likely have to be add ons to either side to make it even, but I see Arizona as the best bet to get what we want at #5
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Posted 2018-05-23 11:40 AM (#705253 - in reply to #705228)
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That would give Arizona 2 picks in each of the first 3 rounds. Seems more than fair.... maybe even overpaying....



I may be misunderstanding, but there's no way we can trade two late firsts and a second for a top 10 pick.



Yeah there will likely have to be add ons to either side to make it even, but I see Arizona as the best bet to get what we want at #5


I don't see it rob... it would have to be a centerpiece not just some add ins. I mean the way I see it, would have to be something like Skjei a first and a second for #5 overall. That to me is the minimum.
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Posted 2018-05-23 2:33 PM (#705258 - in reply to #702887)
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Posted 2018-05-23 8:26 PM (#705303 - in reply to #702887)
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I don't know, we traded Stepan (6 + mill NTC contract) and Raanta (one-year left on his deal) for # 7 and DeAngelo last season. Sure 5 is better than 7, but it isn't top 3. I think if we started a package around the two later 1st's and either one of our 2nd's or 3rd's, and then an add on/mid level guy or two, I think we could absolutely get that done.





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Posted 2018-05-23 9:52 PM (#705324 - in reply to #702887)
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Watching Hajek play again tonight I can’t say he’s been a disappointment. He’s a steady reliable guy. I can see him battling for a spot next year. He’s not beating out Skjei, Shattenkirk, Pionk, or Staal, but Gilmour and the others won’t scare him.
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Posted 2018-05-24 9:30 AM (#705342 - in reply to #702887)
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Posted 2018-05-24 9:34 AM (#705343 - in reply to #705342)
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Posted 2018-05-25 7:22 AM (#705371 - in reply to #705303)
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NYR # 1 - 2018-05-23 9:26 PM

I don't know, we traded Stepan (6 + mill NTC contract) and Raanta (one-year left on his deal) for # 7 and DeAngelo last season. Sure 5 is better than 7, but it isn't top 3. I think if we started a package around the two later 1st's and either one of our 2nd's or 3rd's, and then an add on/mid level guy or two, I think we could absolutely get that done.





If the Rangers had #5 overall and Vancouver (or whoever) offered 26, 28, a second round pick and an add on guy, we'd (rightly) laugh in their faces. There's absolutely no way that deal would get done unless Garth Snow is the GM.
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Posted 2018-05-25 7:39 AM (#705372 - in reply to #705371)
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It also depends...as we have discussed...Teams up near the top like Ottawa that want to unload bad contracts could be part of a deal too....or we add in a player like a Hayes, Kreider or Zuc
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Posted 2018-05-25 9:53 AM (#705378 - in reply to #705371)
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NYR # 1 - 2018-05-23 9:26 PM

I don't know, we traded Stepan (6 + mill NTC contract) and Raanta (one-year left on his deal) for # 7 and DeAngelo last season. Sure 5 is better than 7, but it isn't top 3. I think if we started a package around the two later 1st's and either one of our 2nd's or 3rd's, and then an add on/mid level guy or two, I think we could absolutely get that done.





If the Rangers had #5 overall and Vancouver (or whoever) offered 26, 28, a second round pick and an add on guy, we'd (rightly) laugh in their faces. There's absolutely no way that deal would get done unless Garth Snow is the GM.


Even if the add on guy was a Vlad Namestnikov proven roster player? 15-20 goal scorer 20+ assist getter?

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Posted 2018-05-25 4:51 PM (#705381 - in reply to #702887)
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I simply disagree concust. I think you are undervaluing what we'd be giving. Look at the trade for # 7 last year. Did I miss where that was a mega package? 6.5 mill per Stepan and one year of Raanta for # 7 and DeAngelo. 26, 28, a 2nd and one of our RFA's like Name or Spooner I think is a lot for # 5. It is not top 3...# 5 is not a guaranteed stud.

We'll agree to disagree on this one.


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Posted 2018-05-25 6:08 PM (#705382 - in reply to #705381)
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26, 28, a 2nd and one of our RFA's like Name or Spooner I think is a lot for # 5.


Vancouver wouldn't go for that deal even if it was Name AND Spooner. They have to replace two top line wingers because of the Sedin retirements.....I would think they could get one with that #5 pick. They'd have to start with at least Hayes/Kreider caliber player. I suspect the Rangers MIGHT consider Hayes, but I can't think of anyone else on the current forward roster they would part with. And you'd probably have to include the #9 pick instead of one of the others.

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Posted 2018-05-25 6:42 PM (#705384 - in reply to #702887)
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I think you guys are way overvaluing these not top 3 picks. # 5 Arizona or # 7 Vancouver I don't think would cost as much as you think. Why did Zona trade # 7 last year for 6.5 mill Stepan and one year of Raanta? That doesn't seem like some monster haul that you all are talking about.

Now to be clear I am not saying the Rangers will move to 5 or 7, but I don't think it would cost as much as some think. Both Zona and Vancouver might want to keep and make those picks. Odds are no trade happens that high (I do think we could see a top 12-15 or so pick come our way), but I don't think two 1st's, a 2nd, and Name or Spooner is way too little for # 5.


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Posted 2018-05-25 6:54 PM (#705385 - in reply to #702887)
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To prove the point, look at this trade value chart:

Pick # 5 is valued at 741. 26 is valued at 297. 28 is valued at 283. 48 (our worse 2nd rounder from NJ) is valued at 186. Do the math...pick # 5 = 741. The 3 picks we'd trade = 766. AND we'd give up Spooner or Name.

So please don't tell me that is unfair or I am being crazy with that offer. Not saying it happens, but it absolutely would be a very fair trade for Arizona.

http://statsportsconsulting.com/main/wp-content/uploads/Schuckers_N...




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Posted 2018-05-25 7:15 PM (#705387 - in reply to #705384)
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NYR # 1 - 2018-05-25 8:42 PM

I think you guys are way overvaluing these not top 3 picks. # 5 Arizona or # 7 Vancouver I don't think would cost as much as you think. Why did Zona trade # 7 last year for 6.5 mill Stepan and one year of Raanta? That doesn't seem like some monster haul that you all are talking about.

Now to be clear I am not saying the Rangers will move to 5 or 7, but I don't think it would cost as much as some think. Both Zona and Vancouver might want to keep and make those picks. Odds are no trade happens that high (I do think we could see a top 12-15 or so pick come our way), but I don't think two 1st's, a 2nd, and Name or Spooner is way too little for # 5

Can't look at this in a vacuum...can't equate this years draft to last year....values are certainly not the same.
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Posted 2018-05-25 7:21 PM (#705388 - in reply to #705385)
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NYR # 1 - 2018-05-25 8:54 PM

To prove the point, look at this trade value chart:

Pick # 5 is valued at 741. 26 is valued at 297. 28 is valued at 283. 48 (our worse 2nd rounder from NJ) is valued at 186. Do the math...pick # 5 = 741. The 3 picks we'd trade = 766. AND we'd give up Spooner or Name.

So please don't tell me that is unfair or I am being crazy with that offer. Not saying it happens, but it absolutely would be a very fair trade for Arizona.

http://statsportsconsulting.com/main/wp-content/uploads/Schuckers_N...


Oh come on now...this is what you are using to back up your point? (no, you are using this random number chart to PROVE your point).

Some guy comes up with a random number chart, and you are all of a sudden proven right? Who is Michael Schuckers, and what do these random number values mean? Give us some context here instead of showing off your math skills cause you can add three numbers together.
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