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Mikey Red
Posted 2018-06-09 8:58 PM (#706324 - in reply to #706323)
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Mikey Red - 2018-06-09 5:46 PM

I saw the scout report in your first sentence with Heatl but not Lias




That’s a report I copied and pasted.

Yep I hear ya...Im just wondering who the scout was
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Mikey Red
Posted 2018-06-10 10:02 AM (#706325 - in reply to #702887)
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Great read....for those of us that had the great fortune of experiencing Action Accident Traction Park.....Maybe Rob saved one of us lol

http://mentalfloss.com/article/536412/action-park-water-park-oral-h...
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Posted 2018-06-10 10:51 AM (#706326 - in reply to #706324)
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The chances are slim to none of trading with Buffalo, but The Rangers have made it clear they are interested in moving up. So figured it would be fun to rank YOUR favorite prospects for this team. Your "board" of BPA, so when The Rangers make their first selection, you can see how far they reached or if they get a bargain... in your own amateur scout opinion....

Here's my list.

Dahlin (honestly just because of the hype... I like Sveschnikov better)
Svechnikov
Zadina
Whalstrom
Dobson
Tkachuk
Bouchard
Kotkaniemi
Boqvist
Hughes
Wilde
Kravtsov
Veleno
Farabee
Noel

Any of those players would be great to have. This seems like a pretty good class to me. Not too much bust potential among them, from what I've seen. At 9, The Rangers are in good shape. I'm really excited for draft day.... now.... off to cut some meats.....

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Mikey Red
Posted 2018-06-10 10:57 AM (#706327 - in reply to #702887)
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It is reported that Carolina would take Svech if they had the #1 pick...I think we need one of the 1st 7....We are def moving up...Rob cut some rib eyes for me!
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Posted 2018-06-10 2:55 PM (#706328 - in reply to #702887)
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Anyone think The Rangers trade #26 and #28 overall in a package for Erik Karlsson? Anyone?
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Posted 2018-06-10 2:59 PM (#706329 - in reply to #706328)
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robstones - 2018-06-10 4:55 PM

Anyone think The Rangers trade #26 and #28 overall in a package for Erik Karlsson? Anyone?

Man I hope not...He has alot of miles on him and is very injury riddled...I do think those picks are in play tho.....My hope is to have 2 top 10 picks
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Mikey Red
Posted 2018-06-10 3:00 PM (#706330 - in reply to #702887)
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I think Zuc is a goner and maybe Kreider or Hayes too
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Posted 2018-06-10 5:26 PM (#706332 - in reply to #706329)
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robstones - 2018-06-10 4:55 PM

Anyone think The Rangers trade #26 and #28 overall in a package for Erik Karlsson? Anyone?

Man I hope not...He has alot of miles on him and is very injury riddled...I do think those picks are in play tho.....My hope is to have 2 top 10 picks



No. Gorton would be a fool to trade for a guy he can get next summer for nothing. I'd be shocked if Karlsson signed a contract prior to testing the UFA waters. He will possibly become the top paid defenseman in the league.
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Posted 2018-06-10 6:41 PM (#706333 - in reply to #702887)
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Kreider doesn’t go unless he’s part of a top three pick trade. I don’t see the Rangers being able to move up period. I just don’t see teams trading down this year.
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Posted 2018-06-10 6:47 PM (#706334 - in reply to #702887)
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If thats the case I would def move him....He has all the tools to be a monster but doesnt use them and disappears for 20 games at a time
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Posted 2018-06-10 6:48 PM (#706335 - in reply to #702887)
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Rob should be done with work soon! filet mignon selling like hot cakes
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Posted 2018-06-10 8:07 PM (#706337 - in reply to #702887)
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Kreider, Hayes, and Zuccs go nowhere..... All 3 get letters on their sweaters, in fact.
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Posted 2018-06-10 8:09 PM (#706339 - in reply to #702887)
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Zuc is a goner no doubt about it...he doesnt fit the re tool...no way you extend him so you gotta move him
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Posted 2018-06-10 8:11 PM (#706340 - in reply to #702887)
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Posted 2018-06-10 8:22 PM (#706341 - in reply to #702887)
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Gorton is going to bring the noise over the next Month...LGR!
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Posted 2018-06-10 8:29 PM (#706343 - in reply to #702887)
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And there are Ryan O'Reilly rumors out there....Im a NO

Edited by Mikey Red 2018-06-11 6:28 AM
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Posted 2018-06-10 9:31 PM (#706344 - in reply to #706339)
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Mikey Red - 2018-06-10 7:09 PM

Zuc is a goner no doubt about it...he doesnt fit the re tool...no way you extend him so you gotta move him






I agree Zucc is in play at the draft but his value is almost useless in a move up in the draft attempt, teams with a higher pick are not interested in a pending UFA on the wrong side of 30. He would likely be traded to a team making a push for a Cup. The Rangers should be able to get some young assets back, or might find nothing to their liking and keep him til next seasons trade deadline.
Personally I don’t see Hayes ever having the game to battle it out in the playoffs, picking his game and effort up if the Rangers advanced in playoff rounds. He is a easy guy to play against and with Zibanejad and Hayes number one and two that’s a lot of losing battles going on from your top time on ice centres. Something has to give there and on defense.
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Posted 2018-06-11 6:27 AM (#706347 - in reply to #702887)
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Yep totally...Hayes and Zib are both soft...Zib also has an injury past.....With new Coach I wonder if Hayes is untouchable.
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Posted 2018-06-11 7:07 AM (#706348 - in reply to #706328)
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robstones - 2018-06-10 3:55 PM

Anyone think The Rangers trade #26 and #28 overall in a package for Erik Karlsson? Anyone?


No. What's the point of adding Karlsson early in a rebuild?
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Posted 2018-06-11 7:10 AM (#706349 - in reply to #706347)
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Mikey Red - 2018-06-11 5:27 AM

Yep totally...Hayes and Zib are both soft...Zib also has an injury past.....With new Coach I wonder if Hayes is untouchable.




I hope not. Although one of the things about College hockey is if you make a mistake and recruit a player that has the talent to play but just doesn't fit in your program your stuck with the guy for four years. If he turns into a marginal or lazy player that puts in just enough effort to be part of the team your stuck with him. You start getting rid of players you recruited because of talent or team player deficiencies and word will get around real fast and end of program or coaching career. College coaches have to walk that delicate balance of motivating without play better or your gone ultimatums. They have to draw on many motivational tools to try to get the best out of kids. Which brings me to Hayes who strikes me as a guy who does just enough to stay in the lineup, but really really needs some extra motivation and extra one way dialogue from a coach to get him to the level of player his size and skill suggests he could be. Here's hoping Quinn can get the best out of Hayes. Kreider in my opinion just needs to be free from Chewy. But we will see.

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Posted 2018-06-11 7:20 AM (#706350 - in reply to #706343)
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Mikey Red - 2018-06-10 8:29 PM

And there are Ryan O'Reilly rumors out there....Im a NO


I was going to ask you all what you thought about this rumor...

He is only 28, and a better offensive player than anyone we have right now. What if Buffalo took Staal in the deal?
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Posted 2018-06-11 8:21 AM (#706352 - in reply to #706349)
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Mikey Red - 2018-06-11 5:27 AM

Yep totally...Hayes and Zib are both soft...Zib also has an injury past.....With new Coach I wonder if Hayes is untouchable.




I hope not. Although one of the things about College hockey is if you make a mistake and recruit a player that has the talent to play but just doesn't fit in your program your stuck with the guy for four years. If he turns into a marginal or lazy player that puts in just enough effort to be part of the team your stuck with him. You start getting rid of players you recruited because of talent or team player deficiencies and word will get around real fast and end of program or coaching career. College coaches have to walk that delicate balance of motivating without play better or your gone ultimatums. They have to draw on many motivational tools to try to get the best out of kids. Which brings me to Hayes who strikes me as a guy who does just enough to stay in the lineup, but really really needs some extra motivation and extra one way dialogue from a coach to get him to the level of player his size and skill suggests he could be. Here's hoping Quinn can get the best out of Hayes. Kreider in my opinion just needs to be free from Chewy. But we will see.

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Posted 2018-06-11 8:21 AM (#706353 - in reply to #706350)
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Mikey Red - 2018-06-10 8:29 PM

And there are Ryan O'Reilly rumors out there....Im a NO


I was going to ask you all what you thought about this rumor...

He is only 28, and a better offensive player than anyone we have right now. What if Buffalo took Staal in the deal?

If we can get him for minimum assets and swap salaries like Staal or Smith I would listen....O'reilly makes premium dollars
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Posted 2018-06-11 8:23 AM (#706354 - in reply to #702887)
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Draft is next Frriday!!!!!
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Posted 2018-06-11 8:25 AM (#706355 - in reply to #706354)
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Mikey Red - 2018-06-11 7:23 AM

Draft is next Frriday!!!!!




Bring it.!!!!
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Posted 2018-06-11 8:28 AM (#706356 - in reply to #702887)
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Yep woo! Gorton fire Gordie and make some noise!
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Posted 2018-06-11 3:05 PM (#706358 - in reply to #702887)
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We traded away a 27 year old, 55 point, 2 way center because $6.5m/4 years was too much to pay for 55 points, but we're willing to trade away assets for a 27 year old, 61 point, 2 way center costing $7.5m for 5 more years?

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Posted 2018-06-11 3:27 PM (#706360 - in reply to #706358)
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We traded away a 27 year old, 55 point, 2 way center because $6.5m/4 years was too much to pay for 55 points, but we're willing to trade away assets for a 27 year old, 61 point, 2 way center costing $7.5m for 5 more years?


Shiny new thing.

He read something......
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Posted 2018-06-11 3:31 PM (#706361 - in reply to #706358)
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We traded away a 27 year old, 55 point, 2 way center because $6.5m/4 years was too much to pay for 55 points, but we're willing to trade away assets for a 27 year old, 61 point, 2 way center costing $7.5m for 5 more years?

They ddin't trade him because of the money...they traded him because of the the movement clause. Doubt they'll go ROR route as his no movement clause kicks in this season.
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Posted 2018-06-11 7:18 PM (#706362 - in reply to #706361)
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We traded away a 27 year old, 55 point, 2 way center because $6.5m/4 years was too much to pay for 55 points, but we're willing to trade away assets for a 27 year old, 61 point, 2 way center costing $7.5m for 5 more years?

They ddin't trade him because of the money...they traded him because of the the movement clause. Doubt they'll go ROR route as his no movement clause kicks in this season.

Exactly
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Posted 2018-06-11 8:39 PM (#706364 - in reply to #702887)
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Of course it was about money and it was about the nmc kicking in at the money owed. If the money was lower with the nmc he’d probably still be here, if there wasn’t a nmc at the money he was getting he might still be here. One compounds the problem of the other.
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Posted 2018-06-12 3:13 AM (#706366 - in reply to #706364)
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Rranger - 2018-06-11 10:39 PM


Of course it was about money and it was about the nmc kicking in at the money owed. If the money was lower with the nmc he’d probably still be here, if there wasn’t a nmc at the money he was getting he might still be here. One compounds the problem of the other.
While his stats were admirable, even without the NMC and a lower salary, Stepan's days here were numbered - especially since Gorts wants a tougher team: Stepan was a cream puff as they come; then you add the two concussions.

I believe Gorts would have waited and gotten better value for him if that clause wasn't kicking in...but he was definitely a goner.

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Posted 2018-06-12 7:44 AM (#706367 - in reply to #706366)
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Of course it was about money and it was about the nmc kicking in at the money owed. If the money was lower with the nmc he’d probably still be here, if there wasn’t a nmc at the money he was getting he might still be here. One compounds the problem of the other.
While his stats were admirable, even without the NMC and a lower salary, Stepan's days here were numbered - especially since Gorts wants a tougher team: Stepan was a cream puff as they come; then you add the two concussions.

I believe Gorts would have waited and gotten better value for him if that clause wasn't kicking in...but he was definitely a goner.




I agree the clause was the issue compounded by the money, and like you say he had to go. The money made the clause to big a risk. I also agree as written elsewhere trading or signing O'Reilly as a "replacement" would be a dumb move. Big money for mediocrity.
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Posted 2018-06-14 8:22 AM (#706406 - in reply to #702887)
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Rangers have to move up or we will get the worst of the top end prospects
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Posted 2018-06-14 9:45 AM (#706410 - in reply to #706406)
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Mikey Red - 2018-06-14 10:22 AM

Rangers have to move up or we will get the worst of the top end prospects


by your logic, why would a team trade down to get the worst of the top end prospects?
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