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Mikey Red
Posted 2018-04-09 10:04 AM (#703057 - in reply to #703056)
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Mjolnir - 2018-04-09 12:03 PM

Mikey Red - 2018-04-09 12:02 PM

The Cap is going up...you have to use it....6 mil over 2 years is not bad at all
Not bad at all for a good player.

Yeah for Mccleod or Carey
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Posted 2018-04-09 10:04 AM (#703058 - in reply to #703057)
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The Cap is going up...you have to use it....6 mil over 2 years is not bad at all
Not bad at all for a good player.

Yeah for Mccleod or Carey
I said good hockey players...I never brought up those scrubs.
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Mikey Red
Posted 2018-04-09 10:05 AM (#703059 - in reply to #702991)
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Who you want on this team? Kovalchuck only costs money....anything else requires parting with assets
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Posted 2018-04-09 10:09 AM (#703061 - in reply to #703050)
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$6 mill for 2 is better than $6 mill for 3. No doubt he will help. He plays the same shooter side on the PP Zibanejad does, which means Zib is second fiddle, and Zib hasn’t exactly shown signs of being able to do much other than shoot. . Be interesting to see how that plays out. I always thought he was another selfish Russian only worried about himself. But recently I read a article where Brodeur blew his horn on what a great teammate he was. Brodeur should know that much, and that’s a pretty good endorsement so I guess we will see. He will also be a lock on the power play taking ice time away from a younger developing player, but it’s not like the Rangers are loaded with guys ready to dominate a power play. The downside is the pp will revolve around Kovalchuk and if you shut him down you shut down the Rangers PP.
Gorton still needs at least three quality defenseman before they can begin dreaming about respectability. Shattenkirk, Skjei, Staal, and Pionk is not exactly scaring anyone. Rangers got a long ways to go.
Rangers don't have a powerplay, so that's a moot point right now.






Well you just answered the why are the Rangers getting him question. Shattenkirk and Kovalchuk and a coach will make a difference and it is personnel improvement by removing two duds and adding these two.
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Posted 2018-04-09 10:16 AM (#703062 - in reply to #703061)
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$6 mill for 2 is better than $6 mill for 3. No doubt he will help. He plays the same shooter side on the PP Zibanejad does, which means Zib is second fiddle, and Zib hasn’t exactly shown signs of being able to do much other than shoot. . Be interesting to see how that plays out. I always thought he was another selfish Russian only worried about himself. But recently I read a article where Brodeur blew his horn on what a great teammate he was. Brodeur should know that much, and that’s a pretty good endorsement so I guess we will see. He will also be a lock on the power play taking ice time away from a younger developing player, but it’s not like the Rangers are loaded with guys ready to dominate a power play. The downside is the pp will revolve around Kovalchuk and if you shut him down you shut down the Rangers PP.
Gorton still needs at least three quality defenseman before they can begin dreaming about respectability. Shattenkirk, Skjei, Staal, and Pionk is not exactly scaring anyone. Rangers got a long ways to go.
Rangers don't have a powerplay, so that's a moot point right now.






Well you just answered the why are the Rangers getting him question. Shattenkirk and Kovalchuk and a coach will make a difference and it is personnel improvement by removing two duds and adding these two.
Rangers power play has sucked for years no matter who the personnel have been.
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Andy Bathgate
Posted 2018-04-09 10:19 AM (#703063 - in reply to #703044)
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Won’t be official until July 1st, if it is true... so 3 months of this thread being on fire.

They need numbers... all teams put predicted goal amounts after the name of each player on their roster, and believe in order to be competitive the team in total needs X amount of goals..... how many players available or on this roster can fill Nash’s numbers, which are supposed to be 35-40 goals?

KOV can, or that’s what they’re betting on and at $2.5 million less than Nash. They lose no players, or draft picks. So even though he may be taking a precious spot from a young talent... he helps the Rangers at least stay competitive... does he make younger players around him better... who knows. But if they do resign Grabs, and Zuc, Buc, Zib, Hayes, and Kreider hit their numbers, should be a decent offensive season.




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Andy Bathgate
Posted 2018-04-09 10:27 AM (#703064 - in reply to #702991)
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It’ll be interesting to see how many moves the Rangers do before they actually hire a new coach, who will have to coach this new Groton Stew. Maybe KOV will attract better available coaches?



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Mikey Red
Posted 2018-04-09 10:31 AM (#703066 - in reply to #702991)
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Posted 2018-04-09 10:32 AM (#703067 - in reply to #703064)
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Andy Bathgate - 2018-04-09 12:27 PM

Maybe KOV will attract better available coaches?

Thanks for the laugh, Andy....some comic relief was needed.

See ya draft day.
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Posted 2018-04-09 10:40 AM (#703068 - in reply to #702991)
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Peter Holland will do better...Maybe Paul Carey
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Posted 2018-04-09 10:40 AM (#703069 - in reply to #703062)
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$6 mill for 2 is better than $6 mill for 3. No doubt he will help. He plays the same shooter side on the PP Zibanejad does, which means Zib is second fiddle, and Zib hasn’t exactly shown signs of being able to do much other than shoot. . Be interesting to see how that plays out. I always thought he was another selfish Russian only worried about himself. But recently I read a article where Brodeur blew his horn on what a great teammate he was. Brodeur should know that much, and that’s a pretty good endorsement so I guess we will see. He will also be a lock on the power play taking ice time away from a younger developing player, but it’s not like the Rangers are loaded with guys ready to dominate a power play. The downside is the pp will revolve around Kovalchuk and if you shut him down you shut down the Rangers PP.
Gorton still needs at least three quality defenseman before they can begin dreaming about respectability. Shattenkirk, Skjei, Staal, and Pionk is not exactly scaring anyone. Rangers got a long ways to go.
Rangers don't have a powerplay, so that's a moot point right now.






Well you just answered the why are the Rangers getting him question. Shattenkirk and Kovalchuk and a coach will make a difference and it is personnel improvement by removing two duds and adding these two.
Rangers power play has sucked for years no matter who the personnel have been.






They got rid of the bonehead running the pp for the last five years. So besides bringing in a top shooter, getting back a pp QB (other warts aside) and a new coach your suggestion to improve the PP is?
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Posted 2018-04-09 10:40 AM (#703070 - in reply to #702991)
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Posted 2018-04-09 10:42 AM (#703072 - in reply to #703069)
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$6 mill for 2 is better than $6 mill for 3. No doubt he will help. He plays the same shooter side on the PP Zibanejad does, which means Zib is second fiddle, and Zib hasn’t exactly shown signs of being able to do much other than shoot. . Be interesting to see how that plays out. I always thought he was another selfish Russian only worried about himself. But recently I read a article where Brodeur blew his horn on what a great teammate he was. Brodeur should know that much, and that’s a pretty good endorsement so I guess we will see. He will also be a lock on the power play taking ice time away from a younger developing player, but it’s not like the Rangers are loaded with guys ready to dominate a power play. The downside is the pp will revolve around Kovalchuk and if you shut him down you shut down the Rangers PP.
Gorton still needs at least three quality defenseman before they can begin dreaming about respectability. Shattenkirk, Skjei, Staal, and Pionk is not exactly scaring anyone. Rangers got a long ways to go.
Rangers don't have a powerplay, so that's a moot point right now.






Well you just answered the why are the Rangers getting him question. Shattenkirk and Kovalchuk and a coach will make a difference and it is personnel improvement by removing two duds and adding these two.
Rangers power play has sucked for years no matter who the personnel have been.






They got rid of the bonehead running the pp for the last five years. So besides bringing in a top shooter, getting back a pp QB (other warts aside) and a new coach your suggestion to improve the PP is?

He's a Habs fan....he should stick to the Habs
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Posted 2018-04-09 10:43 AM (#703073 - in reply to #703070)
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Hom8cy7uyEU




Yeah we cant use that here....We have Holland and McCleod
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Posted 2018-04-09 10:45 AM (#703075 - in reply to #703053)
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So lets extend Peter Holland then...problem solved
Now you're just being obtuse.


OK then tell us who these talented players you have in mind are, that are younger and can be had for less money.

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Posted 2018-04-09 10:50 AM (#703076 - in reply to #702991)
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I have doubts of the veracity of that report. Rangers are not even allowed to talk to him until 4/15, and cannot sign him until 7/1 unless they trade something to the Devils for his rights.

Not saying it won't happen but it's being reported as a done deal, and Gorton isn't going to risk tampering.

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Posted 2018-04-09 11:05 AM (#703077 - in reply to #703076)
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I have doubts of the veracity of that report. Rangers are not even allowed to talk to him until 4/15, and cannot sign him until 7/1 unless they trade something to the Devils for his rights.

Not saying it won't happen but it's being reported as a done deal, and Gorton isn't going to risk tampering.






I would be shocked if the Rangers have haD any discussions with the Kovalchuk. Good way for Gorton to get fired. Most likely just make believe from a Russian reporter flapping his gums.
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Posted 2018-04-09 11:17 AM (#703079 - in reply to #703014)
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Yeah what a terrible move, I was hoping Jesper Fast would be our top line winger again next year.

This would be questionable if The Rangers were going for a 5+ year Edmonton style rebuild.... but they're not. Rebuild is over, folks. I shouldn't have to apologize for this, but they're going to ice a good team next year....

This is the key as I have said over and over. I don't think some of you understand that or want to accept that. You are thinking all kids and a multi-year rebuild and tanking...that is NOT happening here. People really need to adjust their minds on this. We won't go signing all these free agents for 4,5 and 6 years, but there is no way this becomes an all kids 5 year plan...NO SHOT.

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Posted 2018-04-09 11:26 AM (#703080 - in reply to #702991)
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Yeah, I don't think it is a done deal, but I do think Kovy will be back in the NHL next season FOR SURE, and I think there is a very high probability he does it with the Rangers.

As for us, remember we have 25 mill + in cap space. Yes we have to resign some RFA's as well, although I can see some being moved with picks to move up in the draft, but we have a lot of money to spend. We will be a team that operates close to the cap as usual. We will not be a team that ices all kids and unproven players (that is why I am not concerned with Kovy taking a kids spot because we will still have a very nice balance of kids and vets). Signing Kovy for 6 mill per +/- does not preclude us from doing whatever else we want. We need to remember that.


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Posted 2018-04-09 11:32 AM (#703082 - in reply to #703064)
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Andy Bathgate - 2018-04-09 12:27 PM

It’ll be interesting to see how many moves the Rangers do before they actually hire a new coach, who will have to coach this new Groton Stew. Maybe KOV will attract better available coaches?



or scare the better coaches away
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Posted 2018-04-09 11:48 AM (#703085 - in reply to #702991)
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Posted 2018-04-09 12:23 PM (#703087 - in reply to #703082)
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It’ll be interesting to see how many moves the Rangers do before they actually hire a new coach, who will have to coach this new Groton Stew. Maybe KOV will attract better available coaches?



or scare the better coaches away


Exactly, which is why I find it interesting Groton is making moves without hiring a new coach first... the myth around Ranger land is, coaches have a big say on players... maybe before Sather took the team hostage.

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Posted 2018-04-09 1:42 PM (#703092 - in reply to #703069)
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$6 mill for 2 is better than $6 mill for 3. No doubt he will help. He plays the same shooter side on the PP Zibanejad does, which means Zib is second fiddle, and Zib hasn’t exactly shown signs of being able to do much other than shoot. . Be interesting to see how that plays out. I always thought he was another selfish Russian only worried about himself. But recently I read a article where Brodeur blew his horn on what a great teammate he was. Brodeur should know that much, and that’s a pretty good endorsement so I guess we will see. He will also be a lock on the power play taking ice time away from a younger developing player, but it’s not like the Rangers are loaded with guys ready to dominate a power play. The downside is the pp will revolve around Kovalchuk and if you shut him down you shut down the Rangers PP.
Gorton still needs at least three quality defenseman before they can begin dreaming about respectability. Shattenkirk, Skjei, Staal, and Pionk is not exactly scaring anyone. Rangers got a long ways to go.
Rangers don't have a powerplay, so that's a moot point right now.






Well you just answered the why are the Rangers getting him question. Shattenkirk and Kovalchuk and a coach will make a difference and it is personnel improvement by removing two duds and adding these two.
Rangers power play has sucked for years no matter who the personnel have been.






They got rid of the bonehead running the pp for the last five years. So besides bringing in a top shooter, getting back a pp QB (other warts aside) and a new coach your suggestion to improve the PP is?
PP has been a concern since end of the first lockout....it's one of the reasons Pearn and eventually Renney were fired...and it wasn't any better under Torts..yet they kept bringing in PP QBs, etc., year after year.
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Posted 2018-04-09 1:43 PM (#703093 - in reply to #703072)
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$6 mill for 2 is better than $6 mill for 3. No doubt he will help. He plays the same shooter side on the PP Zibanejad does, which means Zib is second fiddle, and Zib hasn’t exactly shown signs of being able to do much other than shoot. . Be interesting to see how that plays out. I always thought he was another selfish Russian only worried about himself. But recently I read a article where Brodeur blew his horn on what a great teammate he was. Brodeur should know that much, and that’s a pretty good endorsement so I guess we will see. He will also be a lock on the power play taking ice time away from a younger developing player, but it’s not like the Rangers are loaded with guys ready to dominate a power play. The downside is the pp will revolve around Kovalchuk and if you shut him down you shut down the Rangers PP.
Gorton still needs at least three quality defenseman before they can begin dreaming about respectability. Shattenkirk, Skjei, Staal, and Pionk is not exactly scaring anyone. Rangers got a long ways to go.
Rangers don't have a powerplay, so that's a moot point right now.






Well you just answered the why are the Rangers getting him question. Shattenkirk and Kovalchuk and a coach will make a difference and it is personnel improvement by removing two duds and adding these two.
Rangers power play has sucked for years no matter who the personnel have been.






They got rid of the bonehead running the pp for the last five years. So besides bringing in a top shooter, getting back a pp QB (other warts aside) and a new coach your suggestion to improve the PP is?

He's a Habs fan....he should stick to the Habs
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Posted 2018-04-09 1:45 PM (#703094 - in reply to #703075)
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Mikey Red - 2018-04-09 11:58 AM

So lets extend Peter Holland then...problem solved
Now you're just being obtuse.


OK then tell us who these talented players you have in mind are, that are younger and can be had for less money.

I've already said I haven't had time to go over rosters and lists....but can you honestly say that I'm wrong and that they are no younger and/or talented players that are younger and cost less and would have a beneficial impact on the team?
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Posted 2018-04-09 1:57 PM (#703099 - in reply to #703094)
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Mikey Red - 2018-04-09 11:58 AM

So lets extend Peter Holland then...problem solved
Now you're just being obtuse.


OK then tell us who these talented players you have in mind are, that are younger and can be had for less money.

I've already said I haven't had time to go over rosters and lists....but can you honestly say that I'm wrong and that they are no younger and/or talented players that are younger and cost less and would have a beneficial impact on the team?


For the talent, at that price point, and willing to play on a rebuild-friendly short term deal? Yes I can honestly say that.

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Posted 2018-04-09 2:30 PM (#703101 - in reply to #703094)
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Mikey Red - 2018-04-09 11:58 AM

So lets extend Peter Holland then...problem solved
Now you're just being obtuse.


OK then tell us who these talented players you have in mind are, that are younger and can be had for less money.

I've already said I haven't had time to go over rosters and lists....but can you honestly say that I'm wrong and that they are no younger and/or talented players that are younger and cost less and would have a beneficial impact on the team?


No one is going to trade us their young talent.... at least not players that are as good as Kovy.

We have to draft that talent. And while they develop, we'll have Kovalchuk as a place holder in the meantime. He'll help Shestyorkin and Rykov make their transition to NY.... he'l be an excellent mentor to Buchnevich.... and when we win the 2nd spot in the lotto, he can big brother Svechnikov, too

Mr. passitis will have someone to pass to, now!

Kreider Zibanejad Buchnevich
Kovalchuk Chytil Zuccarello
Spooner Andersson Namestnikov
Vesey Hayes Fast

Unless someone gets traded at the draft
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Posted 2018-04-09 2:34 PM (#703102 - in reply to #703051)
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Mikey Red - 2018-04-09 11:59 AM

Kovalchuck is still an elite talent
Maybe he is a talent in You Can Dance
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Posted 2018-04-09 2:40 PM (#703103 - in reply to #702991)
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What a stupid idea.Another Bolshevik who is a lazy lazy frak.
Dumbest signing and while we at it let’s try to get Sykora,Ozolinsh.
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Posted 2018-04-09 2:48 PM (#703104 - in reply to #703103)
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Blue404 - 2018-04-09 4:40 PM

This team soon may compete in KHL

What a stupid idea.Another Bolshevik who is a lazy lazy frak.
Dumbest signing and while we at it let’s try to get Sykora,Ozolinsh.


Someone's going to have to ride shotgun on Kovalchuk IF he signs with the Rangers. Maybe we can talk Sean Avery out of retirement.
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robstones - 2018-04-09 3:30 PM

Kreider Zibanejad Buchnevich
Kovalchuk Chytil Zuccarello
Spooner Andersson Namestnikov
Vesey Hayes Fast


Of course a lot can change but,

Ages of this lineup on opening night:

27-25-23
35-19-31
26-19-25
25-26-26

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Posted 2018-04-09 3:38 PM (#703108 - in reply to #702991)
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This team soon may compete in KHL

What a stupid idea.Another Bolshevik who is a lazy lazy frak.
Dumbest signing and while we at it let’s try to get Sykora,Ozolinsh.


Someone's going to have to ride shotgun on Kovalchuk IF he signs with the Rangers. Maybe we can talk Sean Avery out of retirement.
Avery,yes.
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Andy Bathgate
Posted 2018-04-09 4:31 PM (#703112 - in reply to #703092)
Subject: Re: Kovalchuk to sign 2/3 Yr Deal 6 M P/Y with Rangers



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Mjolnir - 2018-04-09 3:42 PM
PP has been a concern since end of the first lockout....it's one of the reasons Pearn and eventually Renney were fired...and it wasn't any better under Torts..yet they kept bringing in PP QBs, etc., year after year.


You can say almost every move over the past 10-12 years has been in an effort to improve the PP. From Redden to Richards, Nash to MSL, Shatts to Gabrorik to D. Boyle to on and on and on.


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