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robstones
Posted 2018-05-17 10:46 AM (#704478 - in reply to #704476)
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Mikey Red - 2018-05-17 12:39 PM

Rob you know anything why Rykov is not on USSR?


Nah not sure. Why are Zuccarello and Lundqvist not playing in this thing?
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Posted 2018-05-17 10:50 AM (#704480 - in reply to #703311)
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Posted 2018-05-17 10:50 AM (#704481 - in reply to #703311)
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I guess because they are older and tired...Zuc was beat up a bit at the end of the season
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Posted 2018-05-17 11:31 AM (#704482 - in reply to #704463)
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So Vegas defense all over the place. Fleury comes up with saves and laughs and doesn’t yell and scream. He’s in his 5th conf finals. But hank lovers still say he’s the best. Lol.

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Well, come on.. is this fair? What would Hank do with Malkin and Crosby for 4 of the five conf finals?... instead he had Nash - Richards or the dynamic 40 yr old Fluery.... and Av forgetting about defensive pairings.






If Fleury goes on to win the SC with a second team...and an expansion team on top of that....Henrik supporters do not have a leg to stand on


I'm not saying one is better than the other, just that it's not fair to compare Fleury's playoff success to Hanks, because of the teams in front of them and how they were coached. Fleury is a good goalie, but he's also been on better teams, with the best two forwards in the league.

LOL... Hank supporters... like he's a Politician. Support the name on the front of the jersey.








Not to mention, of those 5 conference finals, Fleury was sitting on the bench for 2 of them as the backup because he couldn't perform at the level needed to get TO the finals in the prior 2 appearances.
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Posted 2018-05-17 11:39 AM (#704483 - in reply to #703311)
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Fleury still got it done at least once....Henrik had the lead in all 3 games in LA in 2014...he didnt get it done
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Posted 2018-05-17 11:43 AM (#704485 - in reply to #704471)
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Mikey Red - 2018-05-17 10:53 AM

2 things need to be fixed with the hockey ...1st...Icing should be discrestional ....If a player can safely go back and get the puck and keep play going...then let it go.


This is already the way it is. If the linesmen judges that a defending player can or could have negated the icing, they will wave it off.

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Posted 2018-05-17 11:46 AM (#704486 - in reply to #703311)
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I thought it was a race to the dots? If the D man gets there 1st its icing?
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Posted 2018-05-17 11:52 AM (#704487 - in reply to #704483)
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Mikey Red - 2018-05-17 1:39 PM

Fleury still got it done at least once....Henrik had the lead in all 3 games in LA in 2014...he didnt get it done
Wow.....so now it's Henrik's fault they lost to the Kings....never mind that the Rangers totally stopped playing the game that got them those leads and turtled for nearly two periods in all of those games. Name ONE goaltender who could have withstood that pressure under those circumstances.

And never mind the fact that the Kings were the better team and were not going to be denied the Cup that year.
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Posted 2018-05-17 11:53 AM (#704488 - in reply to #704486)
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I thought it was a race to the dots? If the D man gets there 1st its icing?
That is correct.
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Posted 2018-05-17 12:01 PM (#704490 - in reply to #704487)
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Fleury still got it done at least once....Henrik had the lead in all 3 games in LA in 2014...he didnt get it done
Wow.....so now it's Henrik's fault they lost to the Kings....never mind that the Rangers totally stopped playing the game that got them those leads and turtled for nearly two periods in all of those games. Name ONE goaltender who could have withstood that pressure under those circumstances.

And never mind the fact that the Kings were the better team and were not going to be denied the Cup that year.

I wont say its all Henriks fault...But lets be honest...He had the lead in all 3 games in LA...had OT to redeem himself in all 3....lost all 3 ...The Ottawa Series was an atrocity....Sometimes it has to be his fault a little bit....Henrik has no problem saying he needs to be better BUT...there is ALWAYS a BUT.......Johnny Quick stopped a last minute breakaway by Kreider and Hagelin in games 1 and 2....and game 3 which I was at...Rangers completely dominated that game but Quick was lights out. Henrik has a losing record in the playoffs
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Posted 2018-05-17 1:19 PM (#704495 - in reply to #703311)
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Posted 2018-05-17 2:26 PM (#704496 - in reply to #704495)
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Posted 2018-05-17 2:38 PM (#704497 - in reply to #704487)
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Fleury still got it done at least once....Henrik had the lead in all 3 games in LA in 2014...he didnt get it done
Wow.....so now it's Henrik's fault they lost to the Kings....never mind that the Rangers totally stopped playing the game that got them those leads and turtled for nearly two periods in all of those games. Name ONE goaltender who could have withstood that pressure under those circumstances.

And never mind the fact that the Kings were the better team and were not going to be denied the Cup that year.


I don't like to go back in history, because it is just that history. But, this is correct, they were bigger, better, stronger. No one was beating the Kings. The only reason Rangers were there because of Hank, the only reason. The only reason the year they lost to Devils is Hank. They ran out of steam that year. Torts totally exhausted the team.

Fleury with that team in front of him year after year was the reason they underachieved until this new goalie showed up.
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Posted 2018-05-17 2:42 PM (#704498 - in reply to #703311)
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I wish my team won 3 cups in 9 years...not too shabby
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Posted 2018-05-17 2:42 PM (#704499 - in reply to #704490)
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Mikey Red - 2018-05-17 1:39 PM

Fleury still got it done at least once....Henrik had the lead in all 3 games in LA in 2014...he didnt get it done
Wow.....so now it's Henrik's fault they lost to the Kings....never mind that the Rangers totally stopped playing the game that got them those leads and turtled for nearly two periods in all of those games. Name ONE goaltender who could have withstood that pressure under those circumstances.

And never mind the fact that the Kings were the better team and were not going to be denied the Cup that year.

I wont say its all Henriks fault...But lets be honest...He had the lead in all 3 games in LA...had OT to redeem himself in all 3....lost all 3 ...The Ottawa Series was an atrocity....Sometimes it has to be his fault a little bit....Henrik has no problem saying he needs to be better BUT...there is ALWAYS a BUT.......Johnny Quick stopped a last minute breakaway by Kreider and Hagelin in games 1 and 2....and game 3 which I was at...Rangers completely dominated that game but Quick was lights out. Henrik has a losing record in the playoffs


You could probably count on one hand how many playoff games were lost because of Hank... alone. The Rangers broke a playoff record for the most 2-1 games... meaning Hank was good... the offense was not.. the worse power play of anytime in the span of games they’ve played... Hank says, thanks.

Kings? Squashed the Rangers... playing against a broken defense.. Quick was average playing against a crappy power play with very low end scoring opportunities... Nash scored zero goals...the Rangers and they’re pathetic style of clearing the puck, up the boards... over and over again .. gave the Kings endless point blank shots at Hank, Hank takes the blame.

Ottawa? How about AV losing track of defensive pairings two games in a row?

Yeah, sometimes you can blame the goalie, but Hanks career was like the little Dutch boy putting is finger into a leaking hole in a Dam, then another finger on another hole... until the whole Dam crumbles on him. A Dam Rangers GMs failed to build around him.

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Posted 2018-05-17 2:46 PM (#704500 - in reply to #704498)
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I wish my team won 3 cups in 9 years...not too shabby
If we had Crosby and Malkin, we could have won with Pavelec in net.
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Posted 2018-05-17 2:51 PM (#704501 - in reply to #704499)
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Fleury still got it done at least once....Henrik had the lead in all 3 games in LA in 2014...he didnt get it done
Wow.....so now it's Henrik's fault they lost to the Kings....never mind that the Rangers totally stopped playing the game that got them those leads and turtled for nearly two periods in all of those games. Name ONE goaltender who could have withstood that pressure under those circumstances.

And never mind the fact that the Kings were the better team and were not going to be denied the Cup that year.

I wont say its all Henriks fault...But lets be honest...He had the lead in all 3 games in LA...had OT to redeem himself in all 3....lost all 3 ...The Ottawa Series was an atrocity....Sometimes it has to be his fault a little bit....Henrik has no problem saying he needs to be better BUT...there is ALWAYS a BUT.......Johnny Quick stopped a last minute breakaway by Kreider and Hagelin in games 1 and 2....and game 3 which I was at...Rangers completely dominated that game but Quick was lights out. Henrik has a losing record in the playoffs


You could probably count on one hand how many playoff games were lost because of Hank... alone. The Rangers broke a playoff record for the most 2-1 games... meaning Hank was good... the offense was not.. the worse power play of anytime in the span of games they’ve played... Hank says, thanks.

Kings? Squashed the Rangers... playing against a broken defense.. Quick was average playing against a crappy power play with very low end scoring opportunities... Nash scored zero goals...the Rangers and they’re pathetic style of clearing the puck, up the boards... over and over again .. gave the Kings endless point blank shots at Hank, Hank takes the blame.

Ottawa? How about AV losing track of defensive pairings two games in a row?

Yeah, sometimes you can blame the goalie, but Hanks career was like the little Dutch boy putting is finger into a leaking hole in a Dam, then another finger on another hole... until the whole Dam crumbles on him. A Dam Rangers GMs failed to build around him.


I totally disagree.....Being squashed by a team means you didnt have multiple 2 goal leads or made it to OT ....Yes there were flaws with our team but we were a dam good hockey team too....We choked vs LA ....Ottawa we had no business losing to....again..multiple multi goals leads....we lost all of them both series
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Posted 2018-05-17 2:52 PM (#704502 - in reply to #704500)
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I wish my team won 3 cups in 9 years...not too shabby
If we had Crosby and Malkin, we could have won with Pavelec in net.

Still gotta win it...they did
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Posted 2018-05-17 2:53 PM (#704503 - in reply to #703311)
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I cant take the when we win Henrik gets all the credit but when we lose...Henrik gets none of the blame
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Posted 2018-05-17 2:55 PM (#704504 - in reply to #703311)
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Henrik after a game where he was yanked "I gotta be better....BUT it's not all my fault"
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Posted 2018-05-17 2:56 PM (#704505 - in reply to #703311)
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And when you piss Henrik off....he calls his buddy Larry and all of a sudden bad articles are written about you
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Posted 2018-05-17 3:00 PM (#704506 - in reply to #704490)
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Fleury still got it done at least once....Henrik had the lead in all 3 games in LA in 2014...he didnt get it done
Wow.....so now it's Henrik's fault they lost to the Kings....never mind that the Rangers totally stopped playing the game that got them those leads and turtled for nearly two periods in all of those games. Name ONE goaltender who could have withstood that pressure under those circumstances.

And never mind the fact that the Kings were the better team and were not going to be denied the Cup that year.

I wont say its all Henriks fault...But lets be honest...He had the lead in all 3 games in LA...had OT to redeem himself in all 3....lost all 3 ...The Ottawa Series was an atrocity....Sometimes it has to be his fault a little bit....Henrik has no problem saying he needs to be better BUT...there is ALWAYS a BUT.......Johnny Quick stopped a last minute breakaway by Kreider and Hagelin in games 1 and 2....and game 3 which I was at...Rangers completely dominated that game but Quick was lights out. Henrik has a losing record in the playoffs
You Insist on saying "he" -- THE RANGERS had leads in 3 games.

That team did exactly what it had done all season long (and many seasons before and after) -- they came out like gangbusters and threw everything they had during the first 5-10 minutes....then, for some reason known only to them, they flipped the switch and stopped (never mind that that pace would have been hard to sustain for 60 minutes). The Kings withstood it every time....made adjustments between periods....because of it, the last two periods were dominated by them, especially when Rangers went into prevent mode. To my knowledge, Henrik did not change his game once during that time...To put the total blame on him is ludicrous.

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Posted 2018-05-17 3:04 PM (#704507 - in reply to #703311)
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Yes the team had the lead but Henrik couldnt stop the puck enough to protect those leads....Then couldnt stop the puck in OT...between LA and OTT 0-5 in OT....all of those games we blew the multi goal leads
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Posted 2018-05-17 3:05 PM (#704508 - in reply to #704502)
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I wish my team won 3 cups in 9 years...not too shabby
If we had Crosby and Malkin, we could have won with Pavelec in net.

Still gotta win it...they did
They won those cups despite Fleury because they scored the goals they needed to score WHEN they needed to score them.
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Posted 2018-05-17 3:06 PM (#704509 - in reply to #704507)
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Yes the team had the lead but Henrik couldnt stop the puck enough to protect those leads....Then couldnt stop the puck in OT...between LA and OTT 0-5 in OT....all of those games we blew the multi goal leads
What does the Ottawa series have to do with them losing the Cup series to LA?
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Posted 2018-05-17 3:08 PM (#704510 - in reply to #703311)
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The playoff resume speaks for itself....Many series lost where we had the lead
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Posted 2018-05-17 3:12 PM (#704512 - in reply to #704509)
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Yes the team had the lead but Henrik couldnt stop the puck enough to protect those leads....Then couldnt stop the puck in OT...between LA and OTT 0-5 in OT....all of those games we blew the multi goal leads
What does the Ottawa series have to do with them losing the Cup series to LA?

I'm just grouping the series together because of the atrocious way we lost last year....I mentioned it in my original post up there
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Posted 2018-05-17 3:28 PM (#704513 - in reply to #704481)
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I guess because they are older and tired...Zuc was beat up a bit at the end of the season


Tell that to Datsyuk
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Posted 2018-05-17 3:32 PM (#704514 - in reply to #704513)
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I guess because they are older and tired...Zuc was beat up a bit at the end of the season


Tell that to Datsyuk

Yep lol...One could learn from him for sure...Red Army training program
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Posted 2018-05-17 3:32 PM (#704515 - in reply to #704512)
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Yes the team had the lead but Henrik couldnt stop the puck enough to protect those leads....Then couldnt stop the puck in OT...between LA and OTT 0-5 in OT....all of those games we blew the multi goal leads
What does the Ottawa series have to do with them losing the Cup series to LA?

I'm just grouping the series together because of the atrocious way we lost last year....I mentioned it in my original post up there
The discussion was about us losing the Cup finals to LA and why Henrik shouldn't be blamed entirely......how does that relate to a series against Ottawa years later?
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Posted 2018-05-17 3:36 PM (#704516 - in reply to #704490)
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Johnny Quick stopped a last minute breakaway by Kreider and Hagelin in games 1 and 2....


Let's see: which scenario is more like to produce goals: last minute stops on breakaways or 20-40 under siege?

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Yes the team had the lead but Henrik couldnt stop the puck enough to protect those leads....Then couldnt stop the puck in OT...between LA and OTT 0-5 in OT....all of those games we blew the multi goal leads
What does the Ottawa series have to do with them losing the Cup series to LA?

I'm just grouping the series together because of the atrocious way we lost last year....I mentioned it in my original post up there
The discussion was about us losing the Cup finals to LA and why Henrik shouldn't be blamed entirely......how does that relate to a series against Ottawa years later?

He read something....
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Posted 2018-05-17 3:40 PM (#704518 - in reply to #704515)
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Yes the team had the lead but Henrik couldnt stop the puck enough to protect those leads....Then couldnt stop the puck in OT...between LA and OTT 0-5 in OT....all of those games we blew the multi goal leads
What does the Ottawa series have to do with them losing the Cup series to LA?

I'm just grouping the series together because of the atrocious way we lost last year....I mentioned it in my original post up there
The discussion was about us losing the Cup finals to LA and why Henrik shouldn't be blamed entirely......how does that relate to a series against Ottawa years later?

In my post up there I talked about both series and the failures...wasnt only about the LA series
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Johnny Quick stopped a last minute breakaway by Kreider and Hagelin in games 1 and 2....


Let's see: which scenario is more like to produce goals: last minute stops on breakaways or 20-40 under siege?


My point is he made the clutch save
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Yes the team had the lead but Henrik couldnt stop the puck enough to protect those leads....Then couldnt stop the puck in OT...between LA and OTT 0-5 in OT....all of those games we blew the multi goal leads
What does the Ottawa series have to do with them losing the Cup series to LA?

I'm just grouping the series together because of the atrocious way we lost last year....I mentioned it in my original post up there
The discussion was about us losing the Cup finals to LA and why Henrik shouldn't be blamed entirely......how does that relate to a series against Ottawa years later?

He read something....

No I saw something...
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