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Mikey Red
Posted 2018-07-09 7:22 PM (#707923 - in reply to #706448)
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Posted 2018-07-09 7:23 PM (#707924 - in reply to #707921)
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Mikey Red - 2018-07-09 8:44 PM

That is not what the whole Rangers coverage world was saying when they picked him...They said he had an out and it was his final year of the USSR contract


The out was buying the last year. For some reason, the KHL decided they weren't going to let him go as easily as others and decided to file a grievance if he and/or his agents attempted the buyout. Since the KHL has not exercised this option before, they had no reason to believe they would do so now.

I'd be curious to know just what made this case different from the others.
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Posted 2018-07-09 7:29 PM (#707925 - in reply to #707922)
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Mikey Red - 2018-07-09 8:45 PM

And there is nothing stopping him from staying over there
So what if he decides to stay. That's the risk you take when you draft foreign players who are still under contract....if he decides to stay, then Rangers will just have to man up and move on -- plain and simple.
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Mikey Red
Posted 2018-07-09 7:32 PM (#707926 - in reply to #707925)
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Mikey Red - 2018-07-09 8:45 PM

And there is nothing stopping him from staying over there
So what if he decides to stay. That's the risk you take when you draft foreign players who are still under contract....if he decides to stay, then Rangers will just have to man up and move on -- plain and simple.

If that happens Gorton should be fired for doing something so stupid with a top 10 pick
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Mikey Red
Posted 2018-07-09 7:33 PM (#707927 - in reply to #707924)
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Mikey Red - 2018-07-09 8:44 PM

That is not what the whole Rangers coverage world was saying when they picked him...They said he had an out and it was his final year of the USSR contract


The out was buying the last year. For some reason, the KHL decided they weren't going to let him go as easily as others and decided to file a grievance if he and/or his agents attempted the buyout. Since the KHL has not exercised this option before, they had no reason to believe they would do so now.

I'd be curious to know just what made this case different from the others.

I am not sure if there is that kind of relationship between the NHL and KHL
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Posted 2018-07-09 7:58 PM (#707928 - in reply to #707926)
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Mikey Red - 2018-07-09 8:45 PM

And there is nothing stopping him from staying over there
So what if he decides to stay. That's the risk you take when you draft foreign players who are still under contract....if he decides to stay, then Rangers will just have to man up and move on -- plain and simple.

If that happens Gorton should be fired for doing something so stupid with a top 10 pick
Why? After all, according to people around here, the draft is a crap shoot.
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Mjolnir
Posted 2018-07-09 8:13 PM (#707929 - in reply to #707927)
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Mikey Red - 2018-07-09 8:44 PM

That is not what the whole Rangers coverage world was saying when they picked him...They said he had an out and it was his final year of the USSR contract


The out was buying the last year. For some reason, the KHL decided they weren't going to let him go as easily as others and decided to file a grievance if he and/or his agents attempted the buyout. Since the KHL has not exercised this option before, they had no reason to believe they would do so now.

I'd be curious to know just what made this case different from the others.

I am not sure if there is that kind of relationship between the NHL and KHL


From what I've been able to find, there is no transfer agreement between the NHL and KHL. If a player is under contact to the KHL, the player is responsible for the negotiating the buyout. We don't know what the basis of the KHL grievance. From what I've been reading, I would think they could just say no and that would be the end of it. My feeling is that if a grievance is filed, even if frivolous, it would keep him from playing until grievance process is over.
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Mikey Red
Posted 2018-07-09 8:14 PM (#707930 - in reply to #707928)
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Mikey Red - 2018-07-09 8:45 PM

And there is nothing stopping him from staying over there
So what if he decides to stay. That's the risk you take when you draft foreign players who are still under contract....if he decides to stay, then Rangers will just have to man up and move on -- plain and simple.

If that happens Gorton should be fired for doing something so stupid with a top 10 pick
Why? After all, according to people around here, the draft is a crap shoot.
Because you could of had Wahlstrom, Dobson, or Bouchard....1st round especially top 10 you cant F it up
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Mikey Red
Posted 2018-07-09 8:15 PM (#707931 - in reply to #706448)
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Kovalchuk left a Devils contract and went to the KHL...nothing happened
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Posted 2018-07-09 8:23 PM (#707932 - in reply to #707931)
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Mikey Red - 2018-07-09 10:15 PM

Kovalchuk left a Devils contract and went to the KHL...nothing happened
What does that have to do with anything? He voluntarily retired.

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Mikey Red
Posted 2018-07-09 8:25 PM (#707933 - in reply to #706448)
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He left to play in KHL.....no grievences were filed
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Posted 2018-07-09 8:27 PM (#707934 - in reply to #707930)
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Mikey Red - 2018-07-09 8:45 PM

And there is nothing stopping him from staying over there
So what if he decides to stay. That's the risk you take when you draft foreign players who are still under contract....if he decides to stay, then Rangers will just have to man up and move on -- plain and simple.

If that happens Gorton should be fired for doing something so stupid with a top 10 pick
Why? After all, according to people around here, the draft is a crap shoot.
Because you could of had Wahlstrom, Dobson, or Bouchard....1st round especially top 10 you cant F it up
Says who? Mistakes have been made in the top 10 for decades....anything can happen to any of the players they "could" have had. None of them are sure things. You can't control what happens to the player you pick. By your logic, Sather f'ed up selecting Cherepanov.
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Posted 2018-07-09 8:33 PM (#707935 - in reply to #707933)
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Mikey Red - 2018-07-09 10:25 PM

He left to play in KHL.....no grievences were filed
What does that have to do with anything????? The NHL is not the KHL...they do not operate by the same rules....and do not have to. Do you honestly think Buttface cared one way or the other what he did? To be honest, Loopy Lou didn't either as it got them out of a disastrous contract. Had the NHL wanted to prevent him leaving, I'm sure Buttface would have pulled some obscure section of the CBA out of his butt to stop him. But they chose not to. The KHL, on the other hand, decided to do something.

By the same token, the NHL doesn't have players leaving in droves to play in the KHL. Therefore, KHL contracts are more stringent than the ones in the NHL....from what I've seen, they KHL doesn't even have a standard contract...each contract is different.
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Posted 2018-07-09 9:00 PM (#707936 - in reply to #706448)
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Posted 2018-07-09 9:01 PM (#707937 - in reply to #707935)
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Mikey Red - 2018-07-09 10:25 PM

He left to play in KHL.....no grievences were filed
What does that have to do with anything????? The NHL is not the KHL...they do not operate by the same rules....and do not have to. Do you honestly think Buttface cared one way or the other what he did? To be honest, Loopy Lou didn't either as it got them out of a disastrous contract. Had the NHL wanted to prevent him leaving, I'm sure Buttface would have pulled some obscure section of the CBA out of his butt to stop him. But they chose not to. The KHL, on the other hand, decided to do something.

By the same token, the NHL doesn't have players leaving in droves to play in the KHL. Therefore, KHL contracts are more stringent than the ones in the NHL....from what I've seen, they KHL doesn't even have a standard contract...each contract is different.

you are saying the KHL is going to file a grievance if we keep Krav.....Im saying an NHL player left to go to KHL and nothing happened....Let KHL file...who cares
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Mikey Red
Posted 2018-07-09 9:02 PM (#707938 - in reply to #707934)
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Mikey Red - 2018-07-09 8:45 PM

And there is nothing stopping him from staying over there
So what if he decides to stay. That's the risk you take when you draft foreign players who are still under contract....if he decides to stay, then Rangers will just have to man up and move on -- plain and simple.

If that happens Gorton should be fired for doing something so stupid with a top 10 pick
Why? After all, according to people around here, the draft is a crap shoot.
Because you could of had Wahlstrom, Dobson, or Bouchard....1st round especially top 10 you cant F it up
Says who? Mistakes have been made in the top 10 for decades....anything can happen to any of the players they "could" have had. None of them are sure things. You can't control what happens to the player you pick. By your logic, Sather f'ed up selecting Cherepanov.

Yep and the Rangers are quite proficient at draft mistakes
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Posted 2018-07-09 9:19 PM (#707939 - in reply to #707937)
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Mikey Red - 2018-07-09 11:01 PM
you are saying the KHL is going to file a grievance if we keep Krav.....Im saying an NHL player left to go to KHL and nothing happened....Let KHL file...who cares
I said no such thing. I said they would file a grievance if he attempted to buy out his contract.

I'm not going to sit here trying to explain something that is very simple, cyrstal clear and plain as day:

You cannot compare Krav and Upchuck....they are two totally different situations -- they are/were signed to two totally different leagues that operate under totally different rules.
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Posted 2018-07-09 9:30 PM (#707940 - in reply to #707933)
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Mikey Red - 2018-07-09 10:25 PM

He left to play in KHL.....no grievences were filed


I know I shouldn't ask this -- why should a grievance have been filed? Who really cared if he stayed or left? Not the NJD; certainly not the NHL.

Just because no action was taken to stop him doesn't mean it couldn't have been done.

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Posted 2018-07-10 6:21 AM (#707941 - in reply to #707937)
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He left to play in KHL.....no grievences were filed
What does that have to do with anything????? The NHL is not the KHL...they do not operate by the same rules....and do not have to. Do you honestly think Buttface cared one way or the other what he did? To be honest, Loopy Lou didn't either as it got them out of a disastrous contract. Had the NHL wanted to prevent him leaving, I'm sure Buttface would have pulled some obscure section of the CBA out of his butt to stop him. But they chose not to. The KHL, on the other hand, decided to do something.

By the same token, the NHL doesn't have players leaving in droves to play in the KHL. Therefore, KHL contracts are more stringent than the ones in the NHL....from what I've seen, they KHL doesn't even have a standard contract...each contract is different.

you are saying the KHL is going to file a grievance if we keep Krav.....Im saying an NHL player left to go to KHL and nothing happened....Let KHL file...who cares


He couldn't go to the KHL without the Devil's letting him out of his contract. They allowed him to leave. They absolutely could have stopped it. They chose not to because he was leaving at the perfect time in his contract where it only hit their cap for a couple hundred grand per year for the life of the contract. Even one more season played and the cap hit would have been much higher.
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Posted 2018-07-10 6:45 AM (#707942 - in reply to #707941)
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Yep he played the "Retirement" card and split....and the NHL said there was no contractual conflict and that he was free to play in another league....He completely screwed the Devils lol
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Posted 2018-07-10 7:21 AM (#707945 - in reply to #707914)
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It’s not as good a option as the AHL, let him adjust to the smaller ice surface and learn the systems that are not used on a big ice surface. It’s a totally different game. Played with a totally different set of playbooks. How many times do you have to read about Euro players talking about all the adjustments they have to make when they come over here, and it’s not just on the ice. Getting that year in the AHL and getting culturally adapted off the ice pays off with the player dealing with a lot less while he’s transitioning to the NHL in his second year over here. And it doesn’t matter if he’s a rocket engine he still goes through the same learning curve other players do.


I'll clarify my position as best I can and you can either agree with me or disagree, I'm not going down this rabbit hole.

I would prefer it if Krav came and played in the AHL, for all the reasons you listed. The organization would prefer it. It would be a better intro in to an NHL career.

However, in the context of an 18 year old, going to the KHL vs the AHL is not a make-or-break decision especially at this point in his career. It's not a setback, it's just not ideal (from an organizational perspective). The level of competition is similar even if the style is a little different.

The ice size is not a huge factor for forwards. It's much more important for defensemen and goalies. It's not a completely different game on the larger ice. NHL players don't have any difficulty adjusting when they go to the Olympics or the WC. The Olympics this past year were played on Olympic sized ice and the "small ice" teams, US and Canada, did better than a lot of teams that play natively on large ice (Sweden, Czech, Slovakia). Buchnevich played 4 years in the KHL and scored 0.5 PPG his rookie year, his first full year on NHL ice.

I would consider it a setback if he went back to the KHL, couldn't get playing time, and then got demoted to the MHL. Or, if he goes back to the KHL, can't build on last season's success, and it starts looking like his playoff performance was a fluke. Or if he had chosen the AHL and got demoted to the ECHL. Those are all setbacks, and are concerning, when you look at the bigger picture of a player's development. In the grand scheme of things KHL vs AHL for a year, especially for an 18 year old forward, is of minor consequence.

If he chooses to resign in the KHL beyond 2018-19, then we may have a cause for concern. But we drafted him knowing he had a year left on his deal so this isn't a huge surprise to anyone.

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Posted 2018-07-10 7:22 AM (#707946 - in reply to #707942)
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Yep he played the "Retirement" card and split....and the NHL said there was no contractual conflict and that he was free to play in another league....He completely screwed the Devils lol


Screwed them? He saved them tons of money and cap room by pulling that stunt. That contract still has like 7 years on it and they have a cap hit between 200k and 300k instead of having it on the books for millions each season. The Devil's let him leave. They didn't have to let him "retire". They could have held him to the contract and prevented him from playing hockey anywhere but for the Devil's.
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Posted 2018-07-10 7:36 AM (#707947 - in reply to #707946)
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Mikey Red - 2018-07-10 6:45 AM

Yep he played the "Retirement" card and split....and the NHL said there was no contractual conflict and that he was free to play in another league....He completely screwed the Devils lol


Screwed them? He saved them tons of money and cap room by pulling that stunt. That contract still has like 7 years on it and they have a cap hit between 200k and 300k instead of having it on the books for millions each season. The Devil's let him leave. They didn't have to let him "retire". They could have held him to the contract and prevented him from playing hockey anywhere but for the Devil's.

lol He was their best player so I guess he screwed them that way...No he could not have played with another NHL team but he was allowed to go to USSR free of issues...Devils could not stop that ...but they held his rights until this off season....as per the CBA etc....Bill Daly himself there was no issue with him going to play in KHL...no laws were broken
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Posted 2018-07-10 8:28 AM (#707948 - in reply to #706448)
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Posted 2018-07-10 8:42 AM (#707949 - in reply to #707947)
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Yep he played the "Retirement" card and split....and the NHL said there was no contractual conflict and that he was free to play in another league....He completely screwed the Devils lol


Screwed them? He saved them tons of money and cap room by pulling that stunt. That contract still has like 7 years on it and they have a cap hit between 200k and 300k instead of having it on the books for millions each season. The Devil's let him leave. They didn't have to let him "retire". They could have held him to the contract and prevented him from playing hockey anywhere but for the Devil's.

lol He was their best player so I guess he screwed them that way...No he could not have played with another NHL team but he was allowed to go to USSR free of issues...Devils could not stop that ...but they held his rights until this off season....as per the CBA etc....Bill Daly himself there was no issue with him going to play in KHL...no laws were broken


Why would the Devils want to prevent him from going to Russia? It solved a ton of their cap issues. They probably could not afford to either pay or buy out that contract. His "retirement" was a $77 million gift that just fell into their lap.

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Posted 2018-07-10 9:30 AM (#707951 - in reply to #707949)
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Why would the Devils want to prevent him from going to Russia? It solved a ton of their cap issues. They probably could not afford to either pay or buy out that contract. His "retirement" was a $77 million gift that just fell into their lap.

Always thought that "retirement" was contrived by Upchuck and Loopy Lou.
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Posted 2018-07-10 10:10 AM (#707952 - in reply to #706448)
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Kucherov resigned 8 year with a 9.5 mill cap hit. Man Y uses the no state income tax to his advantage. A ton of money, but every single one of these guys takes less (all under 10 mill cap hits). If they get EK now I bet he signs for 10 mill or less per.

I think we'd take the Cally contract, but doubt we'd take the Ryan contract. I would take Cally for a guarantee that we get Tampa's 1st rounder in 2019 and another decent asset (not a top level one).


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Posted 2018-07-10 10:21 AM (#707953 - in reply to #707947)
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Mikey Red - 2018-07-10 6:45 AM

Yep he played the "Retirement" card and split....and the NHL said there was no contractual conflict and that he was free to play in another league....He completely screwed the Devils lol


Screwed them? He saved them tons of money and cap room by pulling that stunt. That contract still has like 7 years on it and they have a cap hit between 200k and 300k instead of having it on the books for millions each season. The Devil's let him leave. They didn't have to let him "retire". They could have held him to the contract and prevented him from playing hockey anywhere but for the Devil's.

lol He was their best player so I guess he screwed them that way...No he could not have played with another NHL team but he was allowed to go to USSR free of issues...Devils could not stop that ...but they held his rights until this off season....as per the CBA etc....Bill Daly himself there was no issue with him going to play in KHL...no laws were broken


No. The only agreement the NHL and KHL have is they will not sign players if they have a contract in the other league. Kovalchuk could not get out of that without the Devil's consent. He could say he retired but the Devil's did not have to let him out go. If a KHL team tried to sign him they would have said he's under contract you can't sign him and no playing for him. He "retired" because that was the only way the Devils would let him out of the contract. They weren't going to buy him out. If you could just claim you retired and jump leagues, all these guys that want to move from one to the other would do it.
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Posted 2018-07-10 10:27 AM (#707954 - in reply to #707951)
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Why would the Devils want to prevent him from going to Russia? It solved a ton of their cap issues. They probably could not afford to either pay or buy out that contract. His "retirement" was a $77 million gift that just fell into their lap.

Always thought that "retirement" was contrived by Upchuck and Loopy Lou.


Nope, it was Kovalchuk that wanted out. This was prior to the russian financial crisis, when the whole country was in a bubble, so it was lots of easy, tax free money for him then. The situation has, changed.

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Posted 2018-07-10 2:08 PM (#707966 - in reply to #706448)
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I think TB operates on a cap of their own, not like the other 30 teams.
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I think TB operates on a cap of their own, not like the other 30 teams.
You forgot they operate where there's no state tax....which means their dollar value is more than a place like NY.
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It’s not as good a option as the AHL, let him adjust to the smaller ice surface and learn the systems that are not used on a big ice surface. It’s a totally different game. Played with a totally different set of playbooks. How many times do you have to read about Euro players talking about all the adjustments they have to make when they come over here, and it’s not just on the ice. Getting that year in the AHL and getting culturally adapted off the ice pays off with the player dealing with a lot less while he’s transitioning to the NHL in his second year over here. And it doesn’t matter if he’s a rocket engine he still goes through the same learning curve other players do.


I'll clarify my position as best I can and you can either agree with me or disagree, I'm not going down this rabbit hole.

I would prefer it if Krav came and played in the AHL, for all the reasons you listed. The organization would prefer it. It would be a better intro in to an NHL career.

However, in the context of an 18 year old, going to the KHL vs the AHL is not a make-or-break decision especially at this point in his career. It's not a setback, it's just not ideal (from an organizational perspective). The level of competition is similar even if the style is a little different.

The ice size is not a huge factor for forwards. It's much more important for defensemen and goalies. It's not a completely different game on the larger ice. NHL players don't have any difficulty adjusting when they go to the Olympics or the WC. The Olympics this past year were played on Olympic sized ice and the "small ice" teams, US and Canada, did better than a lot of teams that play natively on large ice (Sweden, Czech, Slovakia). Buchnevich played 4 years in the KHL and scored 0.5 PPG his rookie year, his first full year on NHL ice.

I would consider it a setback if he went back to the KHL, couldn't get playing time, and then got demoted to the MHL. Or, if he goes back to the KHL, can't build on last season's success, and it starts looking like his playoff performance was a fluke. Or if he had chosen the AHL and got demoted to the ECHL. Those are all setbacks, and are concerning, when you look at the bigger picture of a player's development. In the grand scheme of things KHL vs AHL for a year, especially for an 18 year old forward, is of minor consequence.

If he chooses to resign in the KHL beyond 2018-19, then we may have a cause for concern. But we drafted him knowing he had a year left on his deal so this isn't a huge surprise to anyone.








So it’s not a different game you say. Big ice doesn’t matter to forwards just defense and goalies. Very interesting, I’m sure you have some material to back it up.

Henrik Sedin pretty much nails it in this piece. You will find many discussions on the difficulties of switching ice surfaces. You will find very few mentioning it’s not a huge factor.

https://www.thestar.com/sports/hockey/2018/01/30/bigger-ice-make-a-b...

There are also two sides of the big ice, small ice discussion, one is young Europeans who have not played on the small ice. It is a huge adjustment for them. If they are lucky and good enough to have experienced playing in junior tournaments in North America they get some exposure. But coming to North America as a 20-21 year old is a life transforming event, especially if they have had minimum exposure to the smaller ice. They are dealing with that and playing against most of the best players in the world and dealing with all the new off ice living situations. Which in and off itself is a huge adjustment.
The other side of the big ice small ice debate which you brought up is Experienced NHL players playing on the big ice. It’s a lot easier adaptation for the experienced superstar players selected to play in events olympics ect. than the afore mentioned young European players. The pros have pretty much seen it all by the time they play on the bigger ice surface, they can adapt quickly, besides that probably 100% of NHL players selected to play in International competitions have already played many meaningful games on the big ice.
All your story telling doesn’t change the fact that if Kravtsov could, and did come over here and play in the AHL he would be further down the development trail for the 2019-2020 season. A rebuild isn’t much good if you don’t maximize young players best opportunities to get better.
There was a lot of internet and news source babbling about a buyout option in his contract that just got shot down yesterday so it’s a moot point that he’s getting the second best option for his development. I’m sure his Russian coach is real worried about developing him for the Rangers. Kravtsov will be lucky if his coach gives two ****s about him and his development knowing he’s gone after next season. The Rangers objective is to have Kravtsov be the best player he can be in 2019-2020, and he won’t be. He will join the many many Euro’s that struggle with all the above in their first year in N.A. To bad he couldn’t have been over here.


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Mikey Red
Posted 2018-07-10 8:25 PM (#707986 - in reply to #706448)
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In the World Champioships every Spring it is a documented fact that the higher scoring Tournaments are in the NHL size rinks....Big ice is a waste....and R is right...Krav should be here ...he is the #9 pick in the draft...not a 5th rounder...I'll put $20 down that says we never see Krav again...USSR will steal him for themselves
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Posted 2018-07-11 3:55 AM (#707991 - in reply to #706448)
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Can we make something out of nothing or what. My lord. Kid is finishing off the last year of his contract in Russia and then he'll be over. My god let's not make this the epic disaster of all time. If he doesn't come over after the last year of his deal then there will be plenty of time to rip everything and everyone. Until then this is not a huge deal as him, and our other Russians, finish their last year over there. I guess with nothing else to talk about we need to rail on something. So we have this and how it is also the end of the world that Ruff is staying as an assistant...oh no.



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