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robstones
Posted 2018-06-24 8:02 AM (#707190)
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VITALI KRAVTSOV
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Some interesting notes from what I've seen and read.

He was the KHL's version of The Calder winner, Rookie of the Year, beating out highly touted Nashville prospect, Eeli Tolvanen. Tolvanen put up better numbers in the regular season, but it was Kravtsov's playoff preformance that got him noticed.... the most points ever by an under aged player in KHL history

In 16 games he put up a stat line of 6g 5a for 11pts! ...... as an 18 year old!?!?

Which really is just insane! It can't be said enough that you just don't play in the KHL as a teenager. He started the year as a 17 year old.... so he was getting maybe 10 minutes a night. But after a full season, his talent was undeniable, and by the time playoffs came he was one of the best players in the league.

Kovalchuk put up 6g 4a for 10pts in one less game in the playoffs.

The kid has all the tools. Check off all the boxes. Size, speed, shot, skill, vision, playmaking, defensive responsibility...... the only downside I've heard about him is that he could put in a better effort back checking....

Gordie eluded to the fact that the last year of his KHL contract could be bought out..... but we'll see. We could be seeing this kid sooner than you think.Though likely a year away.

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Mikey Red
Posted 2018-06-24 8:25 AM (#707194 - in reply to #707190)
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Good stuff...hands and speed
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Posted 2018-06-24 8:37 AM (#707197 - in reply to #707194)
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Mikey Red - 2018-06-24 10:25 AM

Good stuff...hands and speed
Videos do not sore or win games.
Next I will find out that he is good at playing PS 4
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Mikey Red
Posted 2018-06-24 8:51 AM (#707202 - in reply to #707190)
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Posted 2018-06-24 8:58 AM (#707204 - in reply to #707190)
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If only he were ranked 4 spots higher by Bob McKenzie.... then he'd be the total package
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concust
Posted 2018-06-25 9:53 AM (#707259 - in reply to #707190)
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He has a high talent ceiling, can skate, has size, excelled in a men's league. No problems at all with this pick.



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robstones
Posted 2018-06-25 6:14 PM (#707290 - in reply to #707190)
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I'm starting to think he's going to be at training camp, and try to make the team. If he picks up on the speed of the smaller ice, he'll have a shot.... Otherwise, Hartford gets to play him
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Posted 2018-06-26 7:33 AM (#707302 - in reply to #707190)
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I have a hard time believing he's NHL ready at this point, but on the other hand, we're going to be bad. So as long as he has good coaching and development in place I'm ok with this plan.

FWIW he is still under KHL contract but he's within a period where he could buy out his own contract (I believe). I don't have too much information on this because there are no actual KHL transfer rules and I don't know the KHL CBA that well.

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Posted 2018-06-26 9:51 AM (#707308 - in reply to #707302)
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concust - 2018-06-26 9:33 AM

I have a hard time believing he's NHL ready at this point, but on the other hand, we're going to be bad. So as long as he has good coaching and development in place I'm ok with this plan.

FWIW he is still under KHL contract but he's within a period where he could buy out his own contract (I believe). I don't have too much information on this because there are no actual KHL transfer rules and I don't know the KHL CBA that well.



Probably not NHL ready.... they keep comparing his situation to Chtyl's last year.... Skill wise I'd say he is NHL ready, just as Chtyl was.

They both need a little time to play on the smaller ice, though. If he plays in North America this year, chances are he will be wearing both a Rangers jersey and a 'Pack jersey during the season.

And they brought Andersson over here, too..... They started him in the SHL, but changed their mind after his preformance in the WJC

That being said, Vitali Kravtsov has more skill than both of our top picks last year, and that isn't a knock on Filip or Lias by any means.

We haven't wrapped our heads around Kravtsov being our top prospect yet.... but I think he just may be
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Posted 2018-06-26 10:00 AM (#707310 - in reply to #707190)
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it sounds like Vitali will be over here this season. Likely not the NHL but Hartford and that is a great thing. Playing in the AHL will speed his development to the NHL better than the KHL. He could still crap the bed but beside my guess we'll see him Hartford
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concust
Posted 2018-06-26 1:07 PM (#707317 - in reply to #707308)
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robstones - 2018-06-26 10:51 AM

concust - 2018-06-26 9:33 AM

I have a hard time believing he's NHL ready at this point, but on the other hand, we're going to be bad. So as long as he has good coaching and development in place I'm ok with this plan.

FWIW he is still under KHL contract but he's within a period where he could buy out his own contract (I believe). I don't have too much information on this because there are no actual KHL transfer rules and I don't know the KHL CBA that well.



Probably not NHL ready.... they keep comparing his situation to Chtyl's last year.... Skill wise I'd say he is NHL ready, just as Chtyl was.

They both need a little time to play on the smaller ice, though. If he plays in North America this year, chances are he will be wearing both a Rangers jersey and a 'Pack jersey during the season.

And they brought Andersson over here, too..... They started him in the SHL, but changed their mind after his preformance in the WJC

That being said, Vitali Kravtsov has more skill than both of our top picks last year, and that isn't a knock on Filip or Lias by any means.

We haven't wrapped our heads around Kravtsov being our top prospect yet.... but I think he just may be


He's top three for sure, it just depends on how you rank them, by pure upside, or by current NHL readiness. Outside the three centers I'd say Shestyorkin and Miller round out the top 5.

Any interest in doing another OTG prospect ranking? It's been a couple years since we did one.

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DaTeL
Posted 2018-06-26 1:36 PM (#707322 - in reply to #707317)
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concust - 2018-06-26 9:07 PM

Any interest in doing another OTG prospect ranking? It's been a couple years since we did one.


Not a bad idea. I'd just do a top-10 ranking sort of thing. I remember that the later stages were kinda weak.
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Posted 2018-06-26 2:37 PM (#707327 - in reply to #707322)
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DaTeL - 2018-06-26 3:36 PM

concust - 2018-06-26 9:07 PM

Any interest in doing another OTG prospect ranking? It's been a couple years since we did one.


Not a bad idea. I'd just do a top-10 ranking sort of thing. I remember that the later stages were kinda weak.


True about the weakness of the later stages, but considering just about everyone other than 7 or 8 guys can still be considered 'prospects', this might be the year you actually see someone who'll play in the NHL ranked 20 or 25.
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robstones
Posted 2018-06-26 8:38 PM (#707342 - in reply to #707190)
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Our pool is about as deep as it's ever been! I'd hold off until the season starts, though. I want to see the new draft picks put some reps in. Nils Lundkvist could be better than we think....

Chytil, Howden, Kravtsov, Andersson, Ronning, Gettinger, Howden, Lindgren, Hajek, Rykov, Miller, Lundkvist, Day, Shestyorkin, Georgiev, Lindbom


Is Pionk a prospect? What about Lettieri? What about Lindqvist and Meskanen?

Because if so, that's 20 prospects....
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Mikey Red
Posted 2018-06-26 9:35 PM (#707345 - in reply to #707190)
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Posted 2018-06-27 9:00 AM (#707351 - in reply to #707190)
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Yeah we used to do almost all of the prospects. It got to be a real drag at the end. What's really the difference between a 26 prospect and a 27.

We can do top 15 or 20; i'd do top 10 but really everyone's going to have the same top 5 so what's the point.


Maybe start it at the end of july? That's when things slow down - prospect camp will be over, free agency frenzy will be done, really nothing happens in august except arbitration hearings and the Rangers signing a 28 year old out of a european league.
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Mikey Red
Posted 2018-06-27 9:08 AM (#707353 - in reply to #707190)
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Hopefully Krav will be what our Cherapanov was supposed to be
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Posted 2018-06-27 9:18 PM (#707363 - in reply to #707190)
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Is Nieves still here? Haha
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Posted 2018-06-28 7:02 AM (#707366 - in reply to #707363)
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robstones - 2018-06-27 10:18 PM

Is Nieves still here? Haha


Yes, there's a huge logjam at C, even when you consider a guy or two might be tried at wing. Look at all the guys (presumably) in front of him on the depth chart. And add to that, the fact that Nieves would be a perfectly capable 4C on a rebuilding team.

A trade must be coming in the next week.

Zibanejad
Hayes
Namestnikov
Spooner
Chytil
Kravtsov
Andersson
Lettieri
Holland
Nieves
Fogarty
Howden
Fontaine
Barron


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Posted 2018-06-28 7:06 AM (#707369 - in reply to #707366)
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concust - 2018-06-28 9:02 AM

robstones - 2018-06-27 10:18 PM

Is Nieves still here? Haha


Yes, there's a huge logjam at C, even when you consider a guy or two might be tried at wing. Look at all the guys (presumably) in front of him on the depth chart. And add to that, the fact that Nieves would be a perfectly capable 4C on a rebuilding team.

A trade must be coming in the next week.

Zibanejad
Hayes
Namestnikov
Spooner
Chytil
Kravtsov
Andersson
Lettieri
Holland
Nieves
Fogarty
Howden
Fontaine
Barron




I think Names and Spooner are gone; possibly Zib as well.
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concust
Posted 2018-06-28 7:13 AM (#707373 - in reply to #707369)
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Mjolnir - 2018-06-28 8:06 AM

I think Names and Spooner are gone; possibly Zib as well.


It's quite possible. At the very least you think they would have to make room for Chytil and Andersson. If those three are gone, you're looking at

Hayes
Chytil
Andersson
Nieves/Lettieri/Holland (If Holland is on the NHL roster that is bad news for our bubble AHL centers)

Then in the AHL you would have something like,
Kravtsov (if he cancels his KHL contract)
Lettieri/Nieves
Howden
Fontaine
Fogarty

etc

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Mikey Red
Posted 2018-06-28 7:15 AM (#707375 - in reply to #707190)
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Just read in the Post that Clark states he would of taken Krav over Zadina if the choice was there.....
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Posted 2018-06-28 7:17 AM (#707376 - in reply to #707375)
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Mikey Red - 2018-06-28 8:15 AM

Just read in the Post that Clark states he would of taken Krav over Zadina if the choice was there.....


Well they said he was their #2 ranked forward so I would have to assume it was Svechnikov then Kravtsov.

Saw some footage of Zadina at Wings prospect camp. Very impressive.
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Posted 2018-06-28 7:20 AM (#707377 - in reply to #707190)
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If he took Krav instead of Zadina there would of been a riot
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Posted 2018-06-28 7:21 AM (#707378 - in reply to #707190)
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Gorton needs to go to Sather and demand that he gets to choose his own scouting dept
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Posted 2018-06-28 7:56 AM (#707385 - in reply to #707377)
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Mikey Red - 2018-06-28 9:20 AM

If he took Krav instead of Zadina there would of been a riot


Kotkaniemi, Hayton, and Tkachuk all went before Zadina.....

The problem here is name recognition. We saw Tkachuk and Zadina do well at WJC.... Whalstrom.... we saw him play for Team USA, so we liked him!

The "experts" had their concensus rankings, but the same experts said there's so much parity after the top 2.... Remember when Boqvist was clear cut #4? It was Zadina and Tkachuk.... Kotkaniemi wasn't mentioned until a month away from the draft.... He was ranked to go at 16 or something by the "experts." Veleno was the best center for a long time. It was him or Hayton.....

A lot of people like Kupari better than Kotkaniemi..... so if Kupari is better than Kotkaniemi, he must be up there in talent with Zadina, too....

I'm tellin ya. These GMs are scared to death of "The Russian factor." It's a legit fear. Islanders goalie who is suppose to be as good or better than Shestyorkin.... Sorokin extended his contract till 2020! Kravtsov has a year on his KHL contract, and that scares GMs away..... they'll go with the guy who's already here, it's safer. Zadina has more experience on the smaller ice..... but is he better???

I don't know about that. Time will tell as they say, but the more I see the more I like. It looks like he has better hands. Zadina and Wahlstrom look like great pure goal scorers, but Kravtsov doesn't look too far behind Svechnikov in terms of skill. Svechnikov seems stronger on his skates.... he has more experience on the smaller ice....

Kravtsov is bigger than all of them, though. I'm real excited about this pick

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Posted 2018-06-28 8:02 AM (#707386 - in reply to #707373)
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concust - 2018-06-28 9:13 AM

Mjolnir - 2018-06-28 8:06 AM

I think Names and Spooner are gone; possibly Zib as well.


It's quite possible. At the very least you think they would have to make room for Chytil and Andersson. If those three are gone, you're looking at

Hayes
Chytil
Andersson
Nieves/Lettieri/Holland (If Holland is on the NHL roster that is bad news for our bubble AHL centers)

Then in the AHL you would have something like,
Kravtsov (if he cancels his KHL contract)
Lettieri/Nieves
Howden
Fontaine
Fogarty

etc

I think they give Chytil or Andersson a shot at #1....
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Posted 2018-06-28 8:18 AM (#707388 - in reply to #707386)
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Mjolnir - 2018-06-28 8:06 AM

I think Names and Spooner are gone; possibly Zib as well.


It's quite possible. At the very least you think they would have to make room for Chytil and Andersson. If those three are gone, you're looking at

Hayes
Chytil
Andersson
Nieves/Lettieri/Holland (If Holland is on the NHL roster that is bad news for our bubble AHL centers)

Then in the AHL you would have something like,
Kravtsov (if he cancels his KHL contract)
Lettieri/Nieves
Howden
Fontaine
Fogarty

etc

I think they give Chytil or Andersson a shot at #1....


Sure. It would be Chytil, not Andersson. If Andersson shows up and takes 1C (i.e. plays with two of our top wingers) it will be because he showed up an entirely different player than we saw last year. That's not a knock on him at all, he's a well rounded player, but I think if either of the two kids ends up with a shot at 1C it'll be Chytil because he's so much better offensively.

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Posted 2018-06-28 8:46 AM (#707390 - in reply to #707190)
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I wasn't saying which one it would be...but I'm pretty sure both would be slotted there before Hayes.
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Posted 2018-06-28 10:07 AM (#707391 - in reply to #707190)
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If we want to compete for last place, then yeah trade Zibanejad and go with the other centers.

I sure would like to see what effect Quinn has on these guys, though.

I like Hayes in a defensive role. Ability to move up if needed

Zibanejad
Chytil
Andersson
Hayes

Is solid depth down the middle. I'll trade Hayes for a Trouba or Tyler Myers, but I don't think I want more prospects and picks...

Unless we're going all in on last place this year.... But I'm pretty confident they want to switch to building a team with what they have.

Sign JVR

Kreider Zibanejad Buchnevich
JVR Chytil Zuccarello
Spooner Andersson Meskenan(or something)
Vesey Hayes Fast

Skjei Shattenkirik
Staal Pionk
Lindgren DeAngelo...... or something......

Lundqvist
Georgiev

Looks like a pretty good team to me. If Howden is ready, and we can trade Hayes for a D upgrade.... even better!

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Mikey Red
Posted 2018-06-28 12:16 PM (#707398 - in reply to #707190)
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Move TD to Forward and give Hijak a shot
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Posted 2018-06-28 12:49 PM (#707399 - in reply to #707398)
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Mikey Red - 2018-06-28 2:16 PM

Move TD to Forward and give Hijak a shot


Yeah.... or something. Gotta see what camp brings. Or maybe they sign a UFA. Marc Staal played well last year.... he really did.... If he brings that again this year he could be a nice trade piece by the deadline, instead of buying him out.


Howden, Lindgren, Hajek, Chytil, Andersson could all be rookies this year.... plus Meskanen, Lindqvist with a shot at it.... Pionk, Georgiev, Letteiri played last year, but could all see their first full season, too.... Boo haha yeah I said it.....

I don't think they should set these guys up for failure, though. I'm not in to the idea of throwing up the white flag. No matter what, the expectations will be low with all the rookies, but they need to be competitive. They need to create a winning atmosphere. I'm not in to tanking
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Posted 2018-06-28 1:17 PM (#707400 - in reply to #707190)
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I would absolutely let those kids you mention play....Krav next year and Miller maybe after that....and Nils who knows....and get Trouba
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Posted 2018-06-29 9:29 AM (#707426 - in reply to #707190)
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I will be somewhat surprised if Hajek does not find his way on the team. Assuming Staal is still here he, Shattenkirk, Skjei, and Pionk are the only locks. I watched Hajek's playoffs last year and don't think he takes a backseat toi any other dman in the organization. He is a hell of a prospect.
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Posted 2018-06-29 11:00 AM (#707431 - in reply to #707190)
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People need to give up this stupid fascination with Trouba. He's overrated and is money greedy.
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