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Mjolnir
Posted 2018-06-29 11:44 AM (#707436 - in reply to #707431)
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itsmcilrathtime - 2018-06-29 1:00 PM

People need to give up this stupid fascination with Trouba. He's overrated and is money greedy.
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Posted 2018-06-29 12:16 PM (#707437 - in reply to #707190)
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Putting Chytil and even more laughably Andersson in the number one center spot unless you are shooting for number one overall draft pick next year, is beyond ridiculous. Neither one of them showed any signs they were not going to have their fair share of growing pains this year. Assuming they both make the team. Andersson in particular better be aware Howden isn’t going to take a back seat to him.
I do not have a problem moving Zibanejad and Hayes out in time, but it won’t be this season. I’d be very suprised if either one gets moved. Realistically it’s Namestmikov who will get moved, his money won’t be a huge difference from Hayes who is probably viewed as the Rangers most well rounded center.
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Mikey Red
Posted 2018-06-29 12:23 PM (#707438 - in reply to #707190)
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Putting Heatl or Lias in the 1C is catastrophic
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Posted 2018-06-30 10:02 AM (#707493 - in reply to #707190)
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THN says could be a player some team takes a chance on higher that he is projected. Right on. The Rangers.
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Posted 2018-07-12 6:35 AM (#708028 - in reply to #707190)
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Rangerjunkie
Posted 2018-07-12 11:40 AM (#708029 - in reply to #707190)
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I wonder what it meant when it was said "he (Kravtsov) would like to be here sooner rather than later"
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Posted 2018-07-12 12:05 PM (#708030 - in reply to #708029)
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Rangerjunkie - 2018-07-12 1:40 PM

I wonder what it meant when it was said "he (Kravtsov) would like to be here sooner rather than later"

I think it was referring to the fact that the KHL will not let him buyout the last year of his contract, which is the reason he's returning to Russia rather than coming here immediately.
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robstones
Posted 2018-07-12 3:34 PM (#708045 - in reply to #707190)
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Yeah he, Shestyorkin, and Rykov all have one more KHL season... as soon as their teams are eliminated, they can come over here, and play in NA all they want! And they will! The Russians are coming! The Russians are coming! The Russians are coming!

Kravtsov could have a Kreider-like impact upon CKs arrival out of college
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Vua
Posted 2018-07-12 4:46 PM (#708049 - in reply to #708045)
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robstones - 2018-07-12 3:34 PM

Yeah he, Shestyorkin, and Rykov all have one more KHL season... as soon as their teams are eliminated, they can come over here, and play in NA all they want! And they will! The Russians are coming! The Russians are coming! The Russians are coming!

Kravtsov could have a Kreider-like impact upon CKs arrival out of college


Except Kreider arrived in the playoffs, and Kravtsov will arrive with the Rangers competing for best odds to win the draft lottery.

Edited by Vua 2018-07-12 4:47 PM
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robstones
Posted 2018-07-12 4:51 PM (#708050 - in reply to #708049)
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Vua - 2018-07-12 6:46 PM

robstones - 2018-07-12 3:34 PM

Yeah he, Shestyorkin, and Rykov all have one more KHL season... as soon as their teams are eliminated, they can come over here, and play in NA all they want! And they will! The Russians are coming! The Russians are coming! The Russians are coming!

Kravtsov could have a Kreider-like impact upon CKs arrival out of college


Except Kreider arrived in the playoffs, and Kravtsov will arrive with the Rangers competing for best odds to win the draft lottery.


Done deal.... why even play out the season? This team sucks before theu even hit the ice. Crazy talk.

Regardless, they'll all be over here soon
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Mikey Red
Posted 2018-07-12 5:08 PM (#708051 - in reply to #708049)
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Vua - 2018-07-12 6:46 PM

robstones - 2018-07-12 3:34 PM

Yeah he, Shestyorkin, and Rykov all have one more KHL season... as soon as their teams are eliminated, they can come over here, and play in NA all they want! And they will! The Russians are coming! The Russians are coming! The Russians are coming!

Kravtsov could have a Kreider-like impact upon CKs arrival out of college


Except Kreider arrived in the playoffs, and Kravtsov will arrive with the Rangers competing for best odds to win the draft lottery.

hahahaha
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Mikey Red
Posted 2018-07-12 5:12 PM (#708052 - in reply to #708050)
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robstones - 2018-07-12 6:51 PM

Vua - 2018-07-12 6:46 PM

robstones - 2018-07-12 3:34 PM

Yeah he, Shestyorkin, and Rykov all have one more KHL season... as soon as their teams are eliminated, they can come over here, and play in NA all they want! And they will! The Russians are coming! The Russians are coming! The Russians are coming!

Kravtsov could have a Kreider-like impact upon CKs arrival out of college


Except Kreider arrived in the playoffs, and Kravtsov will arrive with the Rangers competing for best odds to win the draft lottery.


Done deal.... why even play out the season? This team sucks before theu even hit the ice. Crazy talk.

Regardless, they'll all be over here soon

The gave 34 yr old washed up Cody a new contract...if they dont trade anyone...that leaves only 1 forward spot for a kid ...Worst FO in Sports
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robstones
Posted 2018-07-12 5:18 PM (#708054 - in reply to #708052)
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Mikey Red - 2018-07-12 7:12 PM

robstones - 2018-07-12 6:51 PM

Vua - 2018-07-12 6:46 PM

robstones - 2018-07-12 3:34 PM

Yeah he, Shestyorkin, and Rykov all have one more KHL season... as soon as their teams are eliminated, they can come over here, and play in NA all they want! And they will! The Russians are coming! The Russians are coming! The Russians are coming!

Kravtsov could have a Kreider-like impact upon CKs arrival out of college


Except Kreider arrived in the playoffs, and Kravtsov will arrive with the Rangers competing for best odds to win the draft lottery.


Done deal.... why even play out the season? This team sucks before theu even hit the ice. Crazy talk.

Regardless, they'll all be over here soon

The gave 34 yr old washed up Cody a new contract...if they dont trade anyone...that leaves only 1 forward spot for a kid ...Worst FO in Sports


He hasn't made the team yet, relax. They're going to put out the best team possible. 34 year old Cody is either an extra forward, or he's gone.

No harm done by signing him. At all.
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Mikey Red
Posted 2018-07-12 5:21 PM (#708058 - in reply to #708054)
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robstones - 2018-07-12 7:18 PM

Mikey Red - 2018-07-12 7:12 PM

robstones - 2018-07-12 6:51 PM

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robstones - 2018-07-12 3:34 PM

Yeah he, Shestyorkin, and Rykov all have one more KHL season... as soon as their teams are eliminated, they can come over here, and play in NA all they want! And they will! The Russians are coming! The Russians are coming! The Russians are coming!

Kravtsov could have a Kreider-like impact upon CKs arrival out of college


Except Kreider arrived in the playoffs, and Kravtsov will arrive with the Rangers competing for best odds to win the draft lottery.


Done deal.... why even play out the season? This team sucks before theu even hit the ice. Crazy talk.

Regardless, they'll all be over here soon

The gave 34 yr old washed up Cody a new contract...if they dont trade anyone...that leaves only 1 forward spot for a kid ...Worst FO in Sports


He hasn't made the team yet, relax. They're going to put out the best team possible. 34 year old Cody is either an extra forward, or he's gone.

No harm done by signing him. At all.

Rob I'm scared of our FO
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robstones
Posted 2018-07-12 6:04 PM (#708061 - in reply to #707190)
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I know, you're pretry dramatic about it.... Oh no, they drafted a goalie! What? another Euro????

You're getting all bent about the smallest stuff.... Cody McLeod... oh no! This guys' contract means next to nothing, and yet it gets turned in to the worst move an organization could have done....
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Mikey Red
Posted 2018-07-12 6:16 PM (#708062 - in reply to #708061)
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robstones - 2018-07-12 8:04 PM

I know, you're pretry dramatic about it.... Oh no, they drafted a goalie! What? another Euro????

You're getting all bent about the smallest stuff.... Cody McLeod... oh no! This guys' contract means next to nothing, and yet it gets turned in to the worst move an organization could have done....
He is not even good at what he does...and yes drafting a Goalie instead of Bodie Wilde or Ryan Mcleod was complete stupidity...and yes...another Euro grrrr.
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Posted 2018-07-12 6:45 PM (#708064 - in reply to #707190)
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I want to be competing for the first pick. They should sign 3 more McLeod's, trade Spooner and Hayes. They're not going to be good next year, no point in picking 9th again.
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Mikey Red
Posted 2018-07-12 7:03 PM (#708065 - in reply to #708064)
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Vua - 2018-07-12 8:45 PM

I want to be competing for the first pick. They should sign 3 more McLeod's, trade Spooner and Hayes. They're not going to be good next year, no point in picking 9th again.

I hear ya but what scares me is that in the Macdavid draft....if they had the 1st pick...they would have picked Pavel Zacha
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Posted 2018-07-12 8:46 PM (#708067 - in reply to #708061)
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robstones - 2018-07-12 8:04 PM

I know, you're pretry dramatic about it.... Oh no, they drafted a goalie! What? another Euro????

You're getting all bent about the smallest stuff.... Cody McLeod... oh no! This guys' contract means next to nothing, and yet it gets turned in to the worst move an organization could have done....


Mic drop.

Well done.
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Mikey Red
Posted 2018-08-04 4:21 PM (#708427 - in reply to #707190)
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Kravtsov says he’s happy in Russia and going to make a serious decision after this khl season ....wtf? Does that mean he is going to sign a new 3 year contract with the khl like shesty did? Scary read

https://www.blueshirtbanter.com/2018/8/4/17651218/vitaly-kravtsov-is...
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Posted 2018-08-05 7:36 AM (#708441 - in reply to #708427)
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Mikey Red - 2018-08-05 12:21 AM

Kravtsov says he’s happy in Russia and going to make a serious decision after this khl season ....wtf? Does that mean he is going to sign a new 3 year contract with the khl like shesty did? Scary read

https://www.blueshirtbanter.com/2018/8/4/17651218/vitaly-kravtsov-is...

See there you go with the hysteria again...
The main topic of the article is that Kravtsov is a humble kid with intellect and character.
But you pick the part where he only states the obvious -- he's got tough decision in front of him after the season.
He's honest. He realizes that moving to North America hockey is no joke, that he will lose the advantage of living in his country (language, family, friends, cultural context...) etc.
There's no word about 3-year extension whatsoever.

Where do you get this stuff? Were you born with dark clouds above your head?
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Posted 2018-08-05 8:01 AM (#708442 - in reply to #708441)
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Mikey Red - 2018-08-05 12:21 AM

Kravtsov says he’s happy in Russia and going to make a serious decision after this khl season ....wtf? Does that mean he is going to sign a new 3 year contract with the khl like shesty did? Scary read

https://www.blueshirtbanter.com/2018/8/4/17651218/vitaly-kravtsov-is...

See there you go with the hysteria again...
The main topic of the article is that Kravtsov is a humble kid with intellect and character.
But you pick the part where he only states the obvious -- he's got tough decision in front of him after the season.
He's honest. He realizes that moving to North America hockey is no joke, that he will lose the advantage of living in his country (language, family, friends, cultural context...) etc.
There's no word about 3-year extension whatsoever.

Where do you get this stuff? Were you born with dark clouds above your head?

Were you not around for what Shesty did? Yes the article is great and shows Krav is a good kid....But he did not say I cant wait to get over to the Rangers....He said I have a decision to make...which tells me that he might stay.....Very fair to ask that question...not hysteria...and yes theres always a dark cloud above me
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Posted 2018-08-05 8:14 AM (#708444 - in reply to #707190)
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And I dont care about his intellect and character...I care that he is a Top line power forward that puts up points for the NYR for the next 10 plus years...We dont need a team full of boy scouts...we need good hockey players
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Posted 2018-08-05 8:55 AM (#708446 - in reply to #707190)
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Then I guess you missed this little bit...

Q: What drives you?
Kravtsov: What motivates me is winning the Stanley Cup, because my teams never won the Cup where I was playing, so I’d like to be able to win this Stanley Cup and to raise it above my head.

https://nypost.com/2018/06/30/rangers-rookie-trio-cant-wait-to-take-...

Keep in mind he gave the interview that's basis for the link you posted, to the KHL website.
It's still Russia so he's probably playing it safe.

And, Shesterkin's decision is in no way connected to the one this guy's gonna make.
He's his own man.

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Posted 2018-08-05 9:00 AM (#708447 - in reply to #708446)
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DaTeL - 2018-08-05 10:55 AM

Then I guess you missed this little bit...

Q: What drives you?
Kravtsov: What motivates me is winning the Stanley Cup, because my teams never won the Cup where I was playing, so I’d like to be able to win this Stanley Cup and to raise it above my head.

https://nypost.com/2018/06/30/rangers-rookie-trio-cant-wait-to-take-...

Keep in mind he gave the interview that's basis for the link you posted, to the KHL website.
It's still Russia so he's probably playing it safe.

And, Shesterkin's decision is in no way connected to the one this guy's gonna make.
He's his own man.


I saw it.....still my question is fair...We dont draft kids so they can sign 3 year extensions in other Countries...we want them here...If the SC is what drives him then I want to hear him say I cant wait to get over to the Rangers....If Shesty was already here and a good goalie we could have traded Henrik for assets..or at least tried
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Posted 2018-08-05 9:10 AM (#708450 - in reply to #707190)
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And the other thing with Shesterkin is the Hank factor. Do we just dismiss that as if it doesn't exist? He saw Hank here as the clear # 1. He knew Hank was the guy. So he decided to stay in Russia until Hank was towards the end, and then come over (which he will do after this season). He will still be very young and in a perfect position to play with Hank for a season before starting to take over.

Not saying I agree or disagree with that decision, but let's not act as if the Hank factor didn't exist...it did.

And yes, the two situations have nothing to do with each other. Each is their own man...agreed.


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Posted 2018-08-05 9:18 AM (#708453 - in reply to #708450)
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Go NYR - 2018-08-05 11:10 AM

And the other thing with Shesterkin is the Hank factor. Do we just dismiss that as if it doesn't exist? He saw Hank here as the clear # 1. He knew Hank was the guy. So he decided to stay in Russia until Hank was towards the end, and then come over (which he will do after this season). He will still be very young and in a perfect position to play with Hank for a season before starting to take over.

Not saying I agree or disagree with that decision, but let's not act as if the Hank factor didn't exist...it did.

And yes, the two situations have nothing to do with each other. Each is their own man...agreed.



Thats 3 years of Shesty we cant get back as a player or trade to someone else...Yes he is his own man and the dopey FO should maybe recognize this and stay out of USSR
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Posted 2018-08-05 9:37 AM (#708455 - in reply to #707190)
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Why would we want to trade him? He is our # 1 goalie of the future at age 24 I'd say, not a bad situation. If he comes over after this season, along with Kravtsov, all is good to me. If either stay in Russia I will be right there with you.


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Posted 2018-08-05 9:51 AM (#708457 - in reply to #708455)
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Go NYR - 2018-08-05 11:37 AM

Why would we want to trade him? He is our # 1 goalie of the future at age 24 I'd say, not a bad situation. If he comes over after this season, along with Kravtsov, all is good to me. If either stay in Russia I will be right there with you.



Lets hope they all come here yep
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Posted 2018-08-05 10:59 AM (#708460 - in reply to #707190)
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It's always a risk when you draft a Russian player now that they have the KHL option.
That's why they get drafted later than they would if talent was the only consideration (generally speaking).

This is a kind of no-risk-no-reward situation.
I believe the Rangers took a calculated risk here.
I'm sure they did their homework on this kid.
But like with Cherepanov (or Danny Blackburn for that matter), there are dozens of things that can happen between the draft day and the expected 1st game as a Ranger.
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Posted 2018-08-06 8:49 AM (#708503 - in reply to #707190)
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There seems to be this perception that you draft a kid and he needs to have an immediate return. This isn't the NFL or the NBA, you generally have to wait 3 or 4 years before they're even close to NHL ready. So calling 18 year olds bad picks or saying we shouldn't have drafted a Russian because he signed an extension, is just shortsighted. If he was a USA kid and we drafted him at 17 and he committed to NCAA would there be this backlash against him doing that? Would there be posts about him being dopey and that's 4 years we can't get back and the FO should stay out of NCAA? Of course not, there's just a bias because he's russian.

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Posted 2018-08-06 9:14 AM (#708505 - in reply to #708503)
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There seems to be this perception that you draft a kid and he needs to have an immediate return. This isn't the NFL or the NBA, you generally have to wait 3 or 4 years before they're even close to NHL ready. So calling 18 year olds bad picks or saying we shouldn't have drafted a Russian because he signed an extension, is just shortsighted. If he was a USA kid and we drafted him at 17 and he committed to NCAA would there be this backlash against him doing that? Would there be posts about him being dopey and that's 4 years we can't get back and the FO should stay out of NCAA? Of course not, there's just a bias because he's russian.


Fair point...but I bet Vancouver is not thrilled that Quinn Hughes is going back to Michigan....you can start to spin your wheels in a ...oh no he is going to stay there and graduate and become a UFA....but at least he is here already....You have no control over Mother Russia....I would rather have Krav here playing in NA until he is ready for the NHL....and top 10 picks if they are not ready in 2 years then maybe they aint coming ever....Heatl and Lias will have every oppurtunity to make the team next Month
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Posted 2018-08-06 11:25 AM (#708511 - in reply to #707190)
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He had a contract and the Rangers had to have known that and known that he wouldn’t come over this year based on the fact no player had bought out his last year to come over before. At least none I’m aware of. The KHL contract will become meaningless if players are allowed out of it for minor buyout money. I’m sure if the Rangers wanted to pay a ridiculous amount of money they could have secured his release. I’d rather he was over here since I don’t get the value of playing a different game over there. Better to be acclimating on and off the ice over here. It’s a setback but he will go through it all next year, and it is what it is. It’s obvious the better Russian players like it over here and it’s usually only the disgruntled and lesser talents that leave and or never come over. Typical example the dman that stayed long enough last training camp to find out he was going to be in Hartford and left immediately after.
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Posted 2018-08-06 11:25 AM (#708512 - in reply to #708505)
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concust - 2018-08-06 10:49 AM


There seems to be this perception that you draft a kid and he needs to have an immediate return. This isn't the NFL or the NBA, you generally have to wait 3 or 4 years before they're even close to NHL ready. So calling 18 year olds bad picks or saying we shouldn't have drafted a Russian because he signed an extension, is just shortsighted. If he was a USA kid and we drafted him at 17 and he committed to NCAA would there be this backlash against him doing that? Would there be posts about him being dopey and that's 4 years we can't get back and the FO should stay out of NCAA? Of course not, there's just a bias because he's russian.


Fair point...but I bet Vancouver is not thrilled that Quinn Hughes is going back to Michigan....you can start to spin your wheels in a ...oh no he is going to stay there and graduate and become a UFA....but at least he is here already....You have no control over Mother Russia....I would rather have Krav here playing in NA until he is ready for the NHL....and top 10 picks if they are not ready in 2 years then maybe they aint coming ever....Heatl and Lias will have every oppurtunity to make the team next Month


You also need to consider that he could make more money in the KHL vs the AHL. Chytil and Andersson both make $70k if they are in Hartford.
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Posted 2018-08-06 3:03 PM (#708514 - in reply to #708512)
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x10003q - 2018-08-06 12:25 PM

Mikey Red - 2018-08-06 11:14 AM

concust - 2018-08-06 10:49 AM


There seems to be this perception that you draft a kid and he needs to have an immediate return. This isn't the NFL or the NBA, you generally have to wait 3 or 4 years before they're even close to NHL ready. So calling 18 year olds bad picks or saying we shouldn't have drafted a Russian because he signed an extension, is just shortsighted. If he was a USA kid and we drafted him at 17 and he committed to NCAA would there be this backlash against him doing that? Would there be posts about him being dopey and that's 4 years we can't get back and the FO should stay out of NCAA? Of course not, there's just a bias because he's russian.


Fair point...but I bet Vancouver is not thrilled that Quinn Hughes is going back to Michigan....you can start to spin your wheels in a ...oh no he is going to stay there and graduate and become a UFA....but at least he is here already....You have no control over Mother Russia....I would rather have Krav here playing in NA until he is ready for the NHL....and top 10 picks if they are not ready in 2 years then maybe they aint coming ever....Heatl and Lias will have every oppurtunity to make the team next Month


You also need to consider that he could make more money in the KHL vs the AHL. Chytil and Andersson both make $70k if they are in Hartford.


This is purely conjecture, but I can see it having played out this way.

Krav asks the Rangers for a guaranteed roster spot, making ELC money. If the Rangers can guarantee him that, he can use that money to buy out his KHL contract, play for the Rangers.

Rangers, concerned about his ability to play in NHL as an 18 year old, and also concerned about sitting on the bench hampering his development, say no, see you next year.

Krav would not be in a good place to buy out his KHL contract on a 70k AHL salary and a 92k signing bonus without that NHL guarantee.

Considering there's no transfer agreement between the NHL and KHL there's a chance the Rangers could have simply opted to pay it for Kravtsov, but I don't know if this could be considered cap circumvention by the league. They'd basically be paying Krav $x more so he could pay $x to the KHL and buy out his own contract, so that could be considered additional compensation outside of his ELC.

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